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some of then1 - hut their unions are taking over there so thry (lun't haw much
prohlern. They've probably seen it. Nou- the)-'re going overboard. They've probably got a
man haul water for every twenty migrant xvorkers or something. That's how it usnally
happens. It goes to the ertre~neither way.
Q Did an\ legislative matters rome U ~ concerning J apples or
:I: I can't recall too much. Joe Engel was quite an expert. He's a federal Inan on that
;it the time. Ere's dead no\\.. Joe is the one that always put the display on ;ipples at the
fair too. He done a wonderful job. He went to Chicagn and went to the floxver sht~w when
they had it and he displayed the flowers and. . . . I'm trying to think of some of the -
a lot of it came in when - pertaining to the fruits. Sevrral came through hecause I war
very much interested then at that particular time. Being in tile apple business.
Q: You mrntioned the insecticide business that came up then.
:I: Yes
Q: Anything else like th:lt that
A: There was something in re~ard to the package and things like that, in marketing. And
how you had to have them marked I call that. But there again somebody who was selfish.
just for a fexv dollars, trying tn (iefrat the Republicans and then somehod? had to come in
and make ;I I;LW to offset that. If you're running a husiness and xant to do it for )-our
own henrfit you try to give the huger his money's worth without gypping him to hegin with.
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Q: What about the marketing of cattle? You mentioned the sales harns that you'd Knttrn
involved with there. How ahout the - like Arrnour and Swift and that sort of thing'! The
actual butchering anti . . .
,I: Oh yes.
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Q: . . . packing houses . . .
11: . . . see the slaughterhouse. Oh hat was one law. The method of killing them. I can't
recall too much ahout it tnit I rrmember I was very active in that one because we had a
ncw \\-a? (if - I don't know what group \\-as proposing that. And finally we visited a slauxhterhousr
to see h o they ~ killed them. Some of them had a hammvr and another one had
a ball and they had - finally got some guns. some shot that was sul~posed to kill them
instant. 4nd we introduced a bill on that rffect too. But again that originated from sonit,
group. They had a logical case there too.
.And it was - trouble of it is sometimes these fellou-s miss when they'd hit that hammer
and didn't kill thorn anti then the animals would suffer. The>- n-anted something more sure
if they shot them once, they were dead. I can't recall \vl~:it packina house that Xvas shere
the pig was still squealing and they ~iidn't kill him and they'd hang him up on this rack
and just roll him over. And thrn they'd slick him and that would kill him finally. And
their argument was that the animal \\-as suffering which I guess he did suffer. So they
wanted a more sure \Yay of killing them instantly. And that's what they put some hills
through. I can't recall too much what they - it's s~irrlething ahout a typo of a Kun that
had a load in it and it ivuuld kill them. So . . .
Q: I lid you visit the stncky;ir(l
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