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20 IN CONVERSATION WITH DR. CHRISTINE BERGMANN<br />

“Changing a mind-set always takes a long time”<br />

In Conversation with Dr. Christine Bergmann<br />

She was a Senator in Berlin, and in<br />

1998, she was the fi rst Minister for<br />

<strong>Wo<strong>men</strong></strong> and Family Affairs in the<br />

Coalition Govern<strong>men</strong>t of SPD and<br />

the Green Party of Germany. She is<br />

a member of the Executive Board of<br />

the <strong>Friedrich</strong> <strong>Ebert</strong> <strong>Stiftung</strong>, and is<br />

a passionate champion of a mo<strong>der</strong>n<br />

wo<strong>men</strong>’s policy. She believes <strong>gen<strong>der</strong></strong><br />

mainstreaming is a necessary comple<strong>men</strong>t<br />

for such but not a substitute.<br />

“Equal pay for equal work”.<br />

For decades, this has been the<br />

demand of wo<strong>men</strong> workers and<br />

trade unionists, yet wo<strong>men</strong> continue<br />

to earn one-fi fth less than <strong>men</strong>.<br />

Why are wo<strong>men</strong> not protesting<br />

more vehe<strong>men</strong>tly?<br />

It’s scandalous that wo<strong>men</strong> continue to earn less than <strong>men</strong>, and, on<br />

this issue, Germany is particularly badly placed in international<br />

comparison. The difference in salaries between <strong>men</strong> and wo<strong>men</strong> is<br />

substantively higher in the old Bundeslän<strong>der</strong> (fe<strong>der</strong>al states) than in<br />

the new ones, although even there, there is no parity of pay. What is<br />

the reason for this, and what must wo<strong>men</strong> do to ensure <strong>gen<strong>der</strong></strong><br />

equitable pay<strong>men</strong>t? There are several answers to these questions:<br />

1. Traditional wo<strong>men</strong>’s professions are traditionally poorly paid. I’m<br />

thinking here, for example, of the service ren<strong>der</strong>ed by wo<strong>men</strong> to<br />

other people, such as, nursing, child care etc. Protest, in this case,<br />

means that wo<strong>men</strong> must become members of the trade union collective<br />

agree<strong>men</strong>t committee. <strong>Wo<strong>men</strong></strong> must also realize that they<br />

have to take the lead in ensuring that subsistence level legal minimum<br />

wages are fi xed.<br />

2. Taking a break from work, particularly a long one, and part-time<br />

work are hindrances to career advance<strong>men</strong>t and do not lead to<br />

well-paid positions. This brings us to, one, the problem of equitable<br />

distribution of familial and professional work between <strong>men</strong> and<br />

wo<strong>men</strong>. One has to think differently even with regard to the workplace.<br />

Many executive positions can be held, even with shorter<br />

working hours. Yes, we can!<br />

3. Even if the fi rst two causes were no longer to apply, differences<br />

would still persist, as has been proven by the German Institute of<br />

Economic Research (DIW). Real discrimination still exists. In gene-

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