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Peace, security against repeated mass rapes, which are not prosecuted.<br />

They want their children to be able to attend school so that they can<br />

have the opportunity to lead a life of human dignity some time. This<br />

is an opportunity, which they do not have now. And the wo<strong>men</strong> in the<br />

camps want to have a say, they want to fi nally take control of their<br />

lives. I met terrifi c, tough and courageous wo<strong>men</strong> there.<br />

You can fi nd wo<strong>men</strong> in every really effi cient and courageous human<br />

rights commission. This applies to Kenya, but equally to South Africa.<br />

The fi rst plaintiffs at the courts in Rwanda and Yugoslavia were wo<strong>men</strong>.<br />

And the current High Commissioner for Human Rights is an African<br />

woman from South Africa. That has left a deep impression on me. As<br />

have the wo<strong>men</strong>, who are caring for the raped and <strong>men</strong>tally disturbed<br />

girls and wo<strong>men</strong> in the hospitals in Panzi in East Africa. And the many<br />

wo<strong>men</strong>, who for years in the camps in Darfur and Chad are trying to<br />

learn to read and whose reply to the question why they are doing this<br />

is: so that we can have a say and also work towards ensuring peace.<br />

As far as wo<strong>men</strong>’s issues are concerned, China is very good in many<br />

areas – at least in the cities. There, you fi nd wo<strong>men</strong> everywhere – in<br />

fact one could even be envious of them: there are wo<strong>men</strong> in the industry,<br />

at the universities, everywhere wo<strong>men</strong> have equal opportunities.<br />

However, in the countryside, in the very traditional areas the picture is<br />

different. In the highest decision-making bodies of the Party also there<br />

are not too many wo<strong>men</strong> to be seen. Quite clearly, even in China,<br />

wo<strong>men</strong> still have to do a lot to bring about change and to be able to<br />

assert themselves.<br />

The Chinese Code of Law can on the whole be said to be extremely<br />

progressive. On paper it’s great. And there are no differences between<br />

<strong>men</strong> and wo<strong>men</strong>. However, there are now decrees, which are greatly<br />

relativising progress and in fact want to reverse it. From our perspective,<br />

the wo<strong>men</strong> workers are very poorly paid – but the opportunities<br />

they have are much better than in the countryside. There, they have<br />

none. Till now, I have hardly observed any discussion on the exploitation<br />

of wo<strong>men</strong> by Western companies, but I cannot believe that in<br />

reality, wo<strong>men</strong> would be getting the same wages as the <strong>men</strong>.<br />

FRIEDRICH-EBERT-STIFTUNG<br />

WOMEN MEN GENDER<br />

You have visited Darfur many<br />

times. What is the most ardent<br />

wish of the wo<strong>men</strong> there and what<br />

are their demands?<br />

In Africa, there are many courageous<br />

wo<strong>men</strong>, who have fought for<br />

human rights. Whom were you<br />

particularly impressed by?<br />

Your second priority is China. On<br />

paper there is absolute equality in<br />

China. What is it like in practice?<br />

And what about equal wages?<br />

Is the exploitation of wo<strong>men</strong> by<br />

western companies an issue there?<br />

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