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10 literaturuli gazeTiinterviu 19 oqtomberi - 1 noemberi 2012dasasrulidodo WumburiZe:`yovelTvis CemTvis vwerdi~lianTan erTad Sekera. sagulisxmoa,rom aseTi suliskveTebiT aRzrdilqarTvel mandilosnebs rusi mefisnacvlebi:mixeil voroncovi daaleqsandre bariatinski SeuyvardaT.bariatinskisa da elene dimitris asulorbelianis sasiyvarulo urTierTobaimdroindel saqarTveloSi miTqmamoTqmismizezad iqca. ucolo generalmauari Tqva samxedro karieraze,elene qmars waarTva da masTan erTadpoloneTSi gaiqca. marTalia, bariatinskisruseTSi aRar Caesvleboda, magramarc poloneTSi dahklebia fufunebiTcxovreba. elenes biZaSvili, mariamjambakur-orbeliani maT ojaxSistumrobas igonebs. biZac, dimitriorbeliani, iq daxvedria. am istoriaSiqarTveli eris tragediis mizezebi Sei-Zleba amovikiTxoT. samwuxarod, bevriqarTveli mamuliSvili viciT, kolaboracionistebad,komformistebad romiqcnen da fufunebiT cxovrobdnen imrusi generlebis gverdiT, lamis mTelikavkasia rom hyavdaT daCoqebuli.es leqsi amgvari komformizmis mimarTSinaganma protestma damawerina._ XIX-XX saukuneebis mijnazeruseT-saqarTvelos urTierTobebiskvleva Tqveni gansakuTrebuli interesissagania._ Cemi istoriuli narkvevebi imTemebs exeba, rac mudmivad aRelvebsqarTvel kacs, misi gansjis sagani damomavalze orientirebis safuZvelia.XX saukunis germaneli filosofosiherman hedke ambobs, rom istoriulicodnis mopovebis Semdeg adamianiazrovnebasa da momavalze fiqrs iwyebs.istoria bevr rames gvaswavlis, TumcaCven, samwuxarod, arafers vswavlobTmisgan. amis miuxedavad, istoria mainctovebs CvenSi danaleqs, romelic patriotizmis,Tavmoyvareobis gamaRrmavebeliTu gamRvivebelia da sircxvilisada sinanulis grZnobas gviCens.mxolod ganaTlebulsa da moraluradjansaR pirovnebebs SeuZliaT sworixedvebis Camoyalibeba im movlenebze,romelic maT samSoblosac exeba da kacobriobasac.Zlieri socialurikatastrofebis drosac ki qarTvelobaar gatexila, erovnuli problemebiar daviwynia.istoriul narkvevebSi gansakuTrebulyuradRebas ara marto im safrTxeebsvaqcev, didi imperiebidan, an mezobelipatara saxelmwifoebidan rommomdinareobs, aramed _ im sulierkatastrofebzec, erisTvis ufro saSi-Si rom aris, vidre gareSe faqtori. CvenxSirad vlaparakobT safrTxeebis diplomatiurigzebiT acilebaze, qveyana-Si mSvidobis gamyarebaze, Tumca risfasad, naklebad gvainteresebs. adamianebi,romlebic samSoblos mTavariidealis sapirispiro cxovrebis wessirCeven, verafriT asazrdoeben sulsda bednierebi ver xdebian. yvela istoriuliSemTxveva amas gvidasturebs.msurs, zneobrivi principebisa da fundamenturiRirebulebebis problemagamovkveTo, amitomac vwer aleqsandrebatoniSvilsa da ivane andronikaSvilze,giorgi saakaZesa da qaqucaColoyaSvilze, iase falavandiSvilsada grigol lorqifaniZeze._ ramdenadac vici, Tqven istoriaSisaskolo sakiTxavi wignic SeadgineT._ roca ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierTobisamsaxveli saskolo sakiTxaviwignis Seqmnaze konkursi gamocxadda,im surviliT miviRe masSi monawileoba,rom axalgazrdobisTvis evropuliarCevanis marTebuleba da aucileblobamimeTiTebina, maTTvis Cvens axal dauaxles istoriaze, Cvens yvelaze aqtiurmezobelze simarTle meTqva. wignidokumentur masalebze avageT, davurTeTSesabamisi wyaroebi, rukebi,audio da video masala. recenzentebmadadebiTad Seafases, magram Semdegwignis garSemo kamaTi daiwyo. wuxdnen,rac saqarTvelos mtrebi hyolia, yvelazeTiTo wigni davweroTo?!fiqrobdnen, rom umjobesi iyo aseTiwignis avtorebi sazogadoebisTviscnobili istorikosebi yofiliyvnen.gamoiTqva mosazrebac, wignis Semdgenelimecnieri ki ara, poeti, SemoqmedebiTadmoazrovne adamiani iyoso.gulSi pasuxi yvelasTvis mqonda.dasabeWdad gamzadebuli wigni SeaCeres.ar vici, dadgeba ki odesmesaqarTveloSi dro amgvari wignebisgamocemisa? saxelmZRvanelosvgulisxmob, Torem am Temaze bevri karginaSromia dawerili da gamoqveynebuli._ isev literaturas davubrundeT.vfiqrob droa, Tqvens literaturulwerilebze gviamboT._ literaturul werilebs iSviaTadvwer. mimaCnia, rom piradi SexedulebebisaTu gancdebis warmoCena, amaTu im literaturul teqstze, adviliprocesi ar aris. is udides inteleqtualurZalisxmevasTan erTad, saku-Tar SemoqmedebiT xedvas, literaturulimasalis siRrmeebis wvdomis unars,gulwrfelobas moiTxovs. literaturuliesses avtorma SeiZleba martivigza _ teqstis popularizacia _airCios, magram ufro Znel misias See-Wideba, Tuki teqstis ideas axali ideebisSeqmnis provocirebisTvis gamoiyenebs.aseTi literaturuli werilebiTavad iqcevian mxatvrul teqstebad.siamovnebiT kiTxulob aseT teqstebsda namdvil literaturasTan ziarebisbednierebas ganicdi. gansakuTrebulia,rodesac saintereso mwerali sxvisteqstze wers. miseuli STabeWdilebaSeiZleba imdenad gansxvavdebodesemociisgan, romelic igive nawarmoebiswakiTxvisas miiRe, rom sruliad axalisamyaro aRmogaCeninos. magaliTad,CemTvis ufro mimzidvelia poet vaxtangjavaxaZis literaturuli werilebi,vidre romelime profesionaliliteraturaTmcodnis msjelobagalaktionis leqsis versifikatorulRirsebasa Tu emociur datvirTvaze.asevea Tamaz WilaZis, emzar kvitaiSvilisda sxvaTa literaturuli werilebi.eseists, yvelaferTan erTad,`SorsmWvretisa da winmswrebis~ niWi daxedva unda hqondes, is raRac droiTmkiTxvelze win unda iyos, Sinagan SemoqmedebiTmuxts Tavad unda atarebdes.amas yvela ver SeZlebs.literaturul presaSi TiTqmis oriaTeuli werili maqvs gamoqveynebuli.CaniSnuli maqvs bevri STabeWdilebaerovnuli Tu ucxouri literaturisteqstebze. odesme, Tu saWirod CavTvli,mivubrundebi. Tu arada, imdenikargi esseistia saqarTveloSi, isini amsaqmes Tavs Tavad gaarTmeven.esaubra Tamar Jurulilela cucqiriZe:`tkivils leqsSi gamovxatav~dasasruliekologiuri sakiTxebi, bunebrivikataklizmebi. erTi periodi vfiqrobdi,megobrebTan erTad gamekeTebinapoeturi mwvane aqcia am yvelaferTandakavSirebiT, magram isev Cemma pasiurobamSemaCera._ Tqveni Semoqmedebis mniSvnelovaninawilia sabavSvo mwerloba. miuxedavadimisa, rom araerTi sabavSvoleqsisa Tu moTxrobis avtorixarT, am yvelafers jerjerobiT wignisforma ar miuRia. wignad mxolod`gudandaras da gudu-gudus Tavgadasavali~gamovida, romelic gamomcemloba`diogenem~ dabeWda. rodisdaiwyo es yvelaferi? vgulisxmobdainteresebas sabavSvo literaturiT._ bavSvebisTvis wera ramdenimewlis win patar-patara zRaprebiT daviwye.garkveuli periodi sabavSvogazeTSic vmuSaobdi. vakeTebdi sasacilokomiqsebs, romlebic didi mowonebiTsargeblobda. am mimarTulebiTdResac vaqtiurob. CarTulivar USAID-is erT-erT sainteresoproeqtSi, romelic bavSvebSi wignierebisdonis amaRlebas isaxavs miznad.ramdenime mwerali dawyebiTi klasebismoswavleTaTvis SemecnebiT da mxatvrulteqstebs vqmniT. momdevnoetapze isini mcire zomis wignebad gamoicema,skolebSi Seva da daexmarebamoswavleebs, Seiyvaron kiTxva._ kidev Tu gaqvT sabavSvoproeqtebi?_ vasil guleurTan erTad gavakeTe`anban-matarebeli~ _ patar-patarasaxaliso leqsebi, romlebic,vfiqrob, bavSvebs moewonebaT. asevevmuSaob `gudandaras da gudu-gudusTavgadasavlis~ meore nawilze. es arisTovlis kacunebis istoria, romelicCems Svils davuwere. Tavidan komiqsebadiyo Cafiqrebuli, magram wignadqceva varCie. SarSan gamosca `diogenem~.gaformebulia Tina CxikviSvilisaraCveulebrivi ilustraciebiT. amadamianma zustad daiWira Cemi kacunebisxasiaTi, romlebic Zaliansasacilod iqcevian _ xan Cxuboben, xanbuzRuneben, trabaxebic arian, magramkeTilebi. aqve, Cvens axlos tyeebSi cxovrobenda TavianT megobrebs, lizikosda andrias gudandareTSi iwveven.es iqneba `gudandareTis ambebi,~romelic axla iwereba. martivi teqstia,patarebisTvis iolad aRsaqmeli.Zalian mindoda santa-klauss qarTuli`konkurenti~ hyoloda. marTalia,Cemi gmirebi santas realur konkurenciasver gauweven, magram xom SeiZlebaqarTvel bavSvebsac hyavdeT TavianTiTovlis kacunebi?_ samwuxarod, zogadad TanamedroveqarTuli sabavSvo literaturaver uwevs konkurencias ucxoel avtorebs.aq gacilebiT cudadaa saqme,vidre poeziaSi, prozaSi an Targman-Si. am JanrSi arCevani Zalian mwiria.xom ar gifiqriaT mizezebze?_ ver getyviT. garkveulwilad amasSeiZleba sagamomcemlo politikacganapirobebdes. gamomcemlebs Targmniliwignebi ufro iafi ujdebaT, vidreqarTveli mwerlebis originalurinawarmoebebi. SesaZloa, Cvenver vakmayofilebT maT gemovnebas.kidev erTi sakiTxia – saskolo wigneb-Si Tanamedrove avtorebs TiTqmis verSexvdebiT. bavSvebma maTi saxelebiTiTqmis ar ician._ SesaZloa imitom, rom rezoinaniSvilisa da arCil sulakauristeqstebi ufro maRali mxatvruliRirebulebisaa da mavani amjobinebsskolaSi swored maTi nawarmoebebiiswavlebodes?_ ar vici. inaniSvili mec Zalianmiyvars da dRemde siamovnebiT vukiTxavCems Svils, Tumca dResac arian sainteresosaxeebi, romelTac mkiTxvelinaklebad icnobs. igive Tea Tofuria,Tea lomaZe an nato daviTaSvili. Cvenrac unda vilaparakoT, mTavari Semfaseblebimainc bavSvebi arian,visTvisac es wignebi iwereba. Cemma gogonam,romelic 11 wlisaa, am zafxulserTi amosunTqviT waikiTxa astridlindgrenis `Cven saltkrokelebivarT.~ imdenad gaitaca da CaerTo amambebSi, rom maTi eniT werda werilebs,maTi cxovrebiT cxovrobda, erTi sityviT,yvelanairi fantazia gaexsna.vuyurebdi da mixaroda. sakuTari bavSvobagamaxsenda, rodesac siamovnebiTvkiTxulobdi saintereso nawarmoebebs._ swored am tipis konkurenciazeasaubari. imaze, rom dRes qarTulenazec Seiqmnas wigni, romelsac bavSviiZulebis gareSe, siamovnebiT waikiTxavs.sxvaTa Soris, aseTia zazaTvaraZis `montebulsu anu elis saocarimogzauroba,~ romelic, samwuxarod,bevrisTvis jer kidev ucnobteqstad rCeba. SesaZloa imis gamoc,rom Tavad zaza TvaraZe ar iyo sabavSvoavtori, Tumca dawera Zalian kargisaTavgadasavlo wigni, romelicerTi amosunTqviT ikiTxeba._ bavSvebi marTlac yvelaze kargiSemfaseblebi arian. swored amitomyuradRebiT vusmen xolme Cemi Svilismosazrebebs, romelic Zalian damexmara`gudandaras da gudu-gudus Tavgadasavalze~muSaobisas. sxvaTa Soris,axla vwer zRaprebis kidev erT wigns.es aris sasacilo ambebi samzareulosnivTebze. lizim mirCia macivarze misakravizRaprebis gakeTeba, romelTacerT yuTSi movaTavseb. iqidan rom amoiRebsbavSvi, naxe, rogor waikiTxavsoda mec siamovnebiT daveTanxme. vnaxoT,ra gamova.esaubra nana kobaiZe