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saxelisuflebo struqturebSi<br />

e. w. reorganizacia-optimizaciis procesi Tavdacvis saminist-<br />

rosac Seexo. uwyebam ukve gamoacxada, rom sakadro reforma mis<br />

farglebSi dasrulebulia. rogor imoqmedebs es yvelaferi Se-<br />

iaraRebul Zalebze, zogadad, qveynis Tavdacvisunarianobaze?<br />

am Temaze „qronika+”-s esaub-<br />

reba brigadis generali _ amiran<br />

saluqvaZe:<br />

_ nebismier struqturaSi, es<br />

iqneba Tavdacvis saministro, misi<br />

samoqalaqo Stabi, generaluri<br />

Stabi, SeiaraRebuli Zalebi, Tundac,<br />

sxva samoqalaqo struqtura<br />

(mniSvneloba ar aqvs), rodesac<br />

xelmZRvaneloba raRac reformebs<br />

iTxovs, jer es yvelaferi<br />

qaRaldze formdeba, isaxeba reformis<br />

mizani (Tu ras emsaxureba),<br />

sabolood, ra Sedegi unda<br />

miviRoT da a. S. es yvelaferi<br />

unda daiweros, vadebSi gaiweros,<br />

amocanebi, RonisZiebebi unda<br />

daisaxos, _ ra aris saWiro imisTvis,<br />

rom aRniSnul miznebs mivaRwioT?..<br />

SeiaraRebul ZalebTan mimarTebiT<br />

aseTi masStaburi reformebi,<br />

mis saxeobebsa an gvareobebSi<br />

kardinaluri cvlilebebis<br />

ganxorcieleba, raime Seiara-<br />

Rebis yidva (es iqneba samxedro<br />

aviacia, floti Tu sxva), unda ganixilon<br />

mTavrobaSi, parlamentis<br />

komitetebSi (zogadad, parlamentSi),<br />

rasakvirvelia, unda ganixilon<br />

uSiSroebis sabWoze da Sesabamisi<br />

gadawyvetilebebic miiRon.<br />

mxolod aseTi sanqciebis Semdeg<br />

nebadarTuli, gonivruli da<br />

racionaluria masStaburi, Tundac,<br />

nebismieri naklebmasStaburi<br />

reformis ganxorcieleba. yvela<br />

danarCeni midgoma araekonomiuri,<br />

araracionaluri da safr-<br />

Txis Semcvelia. brigadebis Semcireba<br />

iqneba Tu maTi gaerTianeba<br />

(iq sazRvao Tavdacvis departamenti<br />

gauqmda, aseve „su 25"-zea<br />

saubari, xan vauqmebT, xan _ ara<br />

da xalxi samsaxuridan ukve daTxovilia),<br />

msgavsi gadawyvetilebebi<br />

mxolod im procedurebis gavliT<br />

miiReba, romelic zemoT CamovTvale.<br />

amas win unda uZRodes geopolitikuri<br />

viTarebis, safrTxeebisa<br />

da riskebis Sefaseba da a.<br />

S. ra SeiZleba moxdes uaxloesi<br />

periodis ganmavlobaSi, _ wels,<br />

gaisad, ori, sami, xuTi wlis Semdeg,<br />

ra safrTxeebis winaSe Sei-<br />

Zleba aRmoCndes saxelmwifo, ra<br />

tipis SeiaraRebul konfliqteb-<br />

Si SeiZleba mogviwios CarTva; es<br />

iqneba raime lokaluri, qveynis<br />

SigniT, romelime saxelmwifos-<br />

Tan dapirispireba, Tu es CvenTan<br />

gayinuli konfliqtebis gaRviveba<br />

da sxv.? es yvelaferi unda Sefasdes,<br />

Sesabamisi operatiultaqtikuri<br />

gaTvlebiT gaiweros<br />

da yvela aseT variants SeiaraRebuli<br />

Zalebis modeli unda<br />

daupirispirdes. anu rodis, ra<br />

situaciaSi, ra tipis SeiaraRebuli<br />

Zalebi dagvWirdeba.<br />

ai, am gaTvlebis Semdeg, erTxel<br />

da samudamod, unda CamovayaliboT,<br />

rogori tipis, ra Semadgenlobis,<br />

struqturis, Seiara-<br />

Rebisa da a. S. SeiaraRebuli Zalebi<br />

gvesaWiroeba. es grZelvadian<br />

perspeqtivaze unda gavweroT<br />

da SeiaraRebuli Zalebis mizanmimarTuli<br />

mSenebloba daviwyoT.<br />

am konteqstSi yvelanairi<br />

rCevebi nebismieri saxelmwifosgan<br />

(ramdenadac strategiuli<br />

partniori ar unda iyos) ukve<br />

16<br />

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damRlelia. 17-18 welia, Tavdacvis<br />

saministroSi erTi da igive<br />

jgufebi sxedan da ori-sami wlis<br />

periodulobiT gvamcirebineben<br />

SeiaraRebul Zalebs. mudmivad,<br />

qronikulad reformebisa da reorganizaciebis<br />

procesSi vimyofebiT,<br />

es ambavi aRar sruldeba.<br />

gava ori-sami weliwadi, isev<br />

mova axali ministri da yvelafers<br />

axlidan daiwyebs, amiT erTsa<br />

da imave Sedegs vakvirdebiT.<br />

xolo sabrZolo moqmedebebi,<br />

rogorc yovelTvis, uaryofiT<br />

Sedegebs gviCvenebs. es 2008 wlis<br />

agvistos ommac daadastura.<br />

bevrs ar siamovnebs, roca am Temaze<br />

vsaubrobT. me aravis dasja<br />

ar mainteresebs, arc erTi Tanamdebobis<br />

piris, magram Cvenive<br />

warsulidan mware gakveTilebis,<br />

daskvnebis gamotanas unda mive-<br />

CvioT.<br />

unda miveCvioT da gavigoT,<br />

rom samxedro Teoria raRac meorexarisxovani<br />

sakiTxi ar aris.<br />

zogadad, es mecnierebaa, misi nawilia<br />

da am saqmiT dakavebuli<br />

unda iyvnen samxedroebi, romlebsac<br />

saTanado ganaTleba aqvT<br />

da Sesabamisi gamocdileba zurgs<br />

umagrebT. ar aqvs mniSvneloba, es<br />

samoqalaqo bloki iqneba, Tu SeiaraRebuli<br />

Zalebis generaluri<br />

Stabi, aqac da iqac gamocdili<br />

samxedroebi unda iyvnen.<br />

Zalian cudia, rom mrCevlebis<br />

institutze uari iTqva, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom isini, nawilobriv,<br />

sxvadasxva struqturaSi gadaanawiles.<br />

ar SeiZleba, generaluri<br />

Stabis ufross, an Tavdacvis<br />

ministrs, prezidents (Tundac,<br />

CvenTan moqmedi saparlamento<br />

modelis mixedviT) mrCevel-<br />

Ta instituti ar hqondes. premier-ministrsac<br />

ki unda hyavdes<br />

patara jgufi, sadac Tavdacvisa<br />

da usafrTxoebis sakiTxebSi mrCevlebi<br />

iqnebian. am institutebis<br />

gauqmeba ar SeiZleba.<br />

_ procedurebi axseneT, rac<br />

nebismier cvlilebas win unda<br />

uZRodes. realurad, rogor<br />

xorcieldeba es qveyanaSi, Tqve-<br />

ni dakvirveba rogoria?<br />

_ praqtika bolo 10-12 wlis<br />

ganmavlobaSi Camogviyalibda (me<br />

mxolod faqtebiT vsaubrob).<br />

aseve strategiuli mimoxilvis<br />

Zalian zogadi xasiaTis dokumenti<br />

gvaqvs. es TviTon saxelSicaa<br />

Cadebuli da mxolod mimoxilvaa.<br />

adre mas TeTri wigni erqva da,<br />

realurad, zogadi Sinaarsis dokumentia.<br />

me razec zemoT vsaubrob,<br />

sakmaod Sromatevadi da<br />

moculobiT gaTvlebze dayrdnobiTaa,<br />

rasac Cven ar vakeTebT.<br />

TqvenTvis ufro axlo Temaze<br />

visaubroT: laparakia sazogadoebriv<br />

mauwyebelze raRac gadacemebis<br />

gauqmebaze. gamodian Jurnalistebi<br />

da amboben, rom ase<br />

gauqmeba ar SeiZleba da Sesabamisad<br />

unda dasabuTdes. anu sferoze,<br />

romelic Cven kargad gvesmis,<br />

yovelTvis vambobT, rom ama<br />

da am gadawyvetilebas konkretuli<br />

dasabuTeba sWirdeba.<br />

amiran saluqvaZe:<br />

`umokles<br />

vadebSi<br />

SeiaraRebuli<br />

Zalebis sruli<br />

mzadyofnisTvis<br />

mobilizeba<br />

gvWirdeba~<br />

da, ratomRac, Tavdacvis<br />

saministroSi modis samoqalaqo<br />

ministri, sruliad samoqalaqo<br />

gundiT, xelSi iReben kalamsa da<br />

furcels da egreve reorganizaciebs<br />

iwyeben.<br />

am dros nebismieri, msxvili,<br />

masStaburi reorganizacia yovelTvis<br />

struqturis efeqtianobaze<br />

moqmedebs. rogorc wesi (ramdenad<br />

swori da kvalificiuri<br />

reformac ar unda ganaxorcieloT),<br />

Tu masStaburi struqturuli<br />

reorganizacia ganxorcielda,<br />

es adablebs aRniSnul efeqtianobas.<br />

Tu swori reforma ganxorcielda,<br />

SemdgomSi es efeqtianoba<br />

nel-nela an swrafad (gaaCnia<br />

reformis xarisxsa da kvalificiurobas)<br />

matulobs. Tu arada, es<br />

diagrama yovelTvis qvemoT, klebisken<br />

midis.<br />

_ konkretulad, romeli cvlilebebi<br />

aris miuRebeli Tav-<br />

dacvis dRevandel sistemaSi?<br />

_ CemTvis mTavari procesia.<br />

davuSvaT, saubari imazea, „su 25"-<br />

ebi gvWirdeba Tu ara? aseve mimaCnia,<br />

rom genStabSi sazRvao<br />

Tavdacvis departamenti aucilebelia,<br />

radgan sazRvao operaciebs<br />

ver ganaxorcielebs Sinagan<br />

saqmeTa saministros sanapiro dacvis<br />

departamenti Tu samsaxuri,<br />

rogorc mas hqvia. amis ganxorcieleba<br />

mxolod samxedro struqturas,<br />

flotis oficrebs Seu-<br />

ZliaT. aseTi struqtura saomari<br />

viTarebis dros genStabSi arsebobda.<br />

ki batono, SeemcirebinaT,<br />

magram sruliad gauqmeba CemTvis<br />

miuRebelia.<br />

me mxolod Cems mosazrebebs<br />

gamovTqvam, magram erT rames vi-<br />

Txov, es yvelaferi gegmurad<br />

Camoayalibon, gaitanon uSiSroebis<br />

sabWoze (Sesabamisi ganxilvebisa<br />

da SeTanxmebebis Semdeg),<br />

daamtkicon da ganaxorcielon.<br />

amis Semdeg vityvi, rom yvelaferi<br />

gegmurad ganxorcielda. iq<br />

ramdenad sworad iqneba yvelaferi<br />

Camoyalibebuli, ramdenad<br />

gamarTul gadawyvetilebebs miiRebs<br />

sxvadasxva struqtura (es<br />

iqneba Tavdacvis komiteti, premier-ministri<br />

Tu uSiSroebis sabWo),<br />

ukve meorexarisxovania.<br />

mTavaria, rom es aucilebeli<br />

procedurebi gaviaroT, Semdgom-<br />

Si am yvelafers miveCvioT da<br />

gegmazomierad ganvaxorcieloT.<br />

aseve yvela gadawyvetileba davasabuToT,<br />

samxedro enaze amas<br />

operatiul-taqtikuri gaTvlebi<br />

hqvia. sxvagvarad ar SeiZleba. sxvagvarad<br />

es bavSvuri omobanas<br />

TamaSia, meti araferi.<br />

_ ratom ar xdeba am proce-<br />

durebis gavla?<br />

_ ar gvesmis da imitom. vimeoreb,<br />

rom samxedro Teorias,<br />

rogorc mecnierebas, Cven seriozulad<br />

ar aRviqvamT. ar vavi-<br />

TarebT am mecnierebas da sakmaod<br />

araseriozulad vudgebiT.<br />

ra giTxraT, Tavdacvis sakiTxebis<br />

mimarT msgavsi midgoma arc<br />

erT saxelmwifos ar aqvs.<br />

_ da am realobaze pasuxismge-<br />

bloba vis moedanzea?<br />

_ pasuxismgebloba imas ekisreba,<br />

vinc am yvelafers axorcielebs,<br />

visac konstituciidan da<br />

kanonmdeblobidan gamomdinare<br />

es gawerili aqvs. amitom yvelam<br />

xma unda amoiRos, am procesSi<br />

CaerTos da erTxel da samudamod<br />

CamovyalibdeT, rogorc<br />

kvalificiuri saxelmwifo da<br />

ara... ase ar SeiZleba, es ukve<br />

TamaSia da aseTi TamaSi cudad<br />

mTavrdeba xolme!<br />

Cven ase cudad davamTavreT<br />

agvistos omis dros da arc normalurad<br />

gagvianalizebia es yvelaferi.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />

ramdenime komisia, maT Soris, saparlamento<br />

muSaobda, TiTqos<br />

raRac gamoiZies, magram am sagamoZiebo<br />

muSaobis Ria nawili<br />

cnobili unda yofiliyo...<br />

rasakvirvelia, Zalian did nawils<br />

ver gamoaqveynebdnen, magram<br />

unda gamoqveynebuliyo is, Tu ra<br />

zomebi ganxorcielda am komisie-<br />

16 N4 (181) 7.02-13.02.2017 w.

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