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aReba, sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebis<br />
iZulebiT aRsruleba. cxadia, es<br />
gadawyvetileba realurad ar iqneboda<br />
da arc iyo kanonieri da samarTliani.<br />
kanonieri ver iqneba<br />
gadawyvetileba, romelic imTaviTve<br />
politikuria, magram formalurad<br />
kanonieri gadawyvetileba<br />
iqneboda, rodesac sasamarTlo<br />
notariusad iqca, ukanonebda da<br />
daukanonebs yvelafers, rasac<br />
oligaqri moiwadinebs.<br />
_ vxedavdiT kidec, rogor<br />
udasturebda yvelafers urT-<br />
meliZe.<br />
_ „rusTavi 2"-is ZaliT aRebis<br />
safrTxe arsebobda da es safrTxe<br />
gaacnobiera qarTulma sazogadoebamac,<br />
romelmac mobilizacia gamoacxada<br />
da Rameebs aTevda „rus-<br />
Tavi 2"-is dasacavad. sazogadoeba<br />
„rusTavi 2"-s, rogorc konkretul<br />
koleqtivs ki ar icavda, icavda am<br />
ideas, rasac hqvia damoukidebeli<br />
media, radgan acnobierebda safrTxes,<br />
romelic SeiZleba saxelmwifos<br />
Seuqmnas damoukidebeli mediis<br />
ararsebobam.<br />
_ isev am formiT dacva xom ar<br />
gaxdeba aqtualuri?<br />
_ gaaCnia, ra gadawyvetilebas<br />
gamoitans uzenaesi sasamarTlo...<br />
me ar maqvs didi iluziebi... miuxedavad<br />
ganviTarebuli mwvave movlenebisa,<br />
biZina ivaniSvils Zalian<br />
myari mizani aqvs, rom „rusTavi 2"<br />
saTaviso televiziad aqcios. namdvilad<br />
yvela gziT ecdeba amas.<br />
imedi minda viqonio, rom sazogadoebrivi<br />
winaaRmdegoba imdenad<br />
mwvave iqneba, rom mas mainc mouwevs<br />
ukandaxeva, Tumca ramdenad<br />
izams amas, es sxva sakiTxia... Tu<br />
uzenaesi sasamarTlo xalvaSs miakuTvnebs<br />
kompanias, cxadia, iZulebiTi<br />
aRsrulebis meqanizmebi<br />
CairTveba. ar vici, SturmiT Sevardna<br />
daigegmeba Tu Senobas sxvagan<br />
gadaitans qibar xalvaSi, ra<br />
sqemiT da gegmiT moqmedeben.<br />
_ Tumca, meore mxriv, Tu is<br />
mainc Tavisas gaitans da „rusTavi<br />
2"-s waiRebs, garkveuli periodis<br />
Semdeg kidev ufro mwvave ukmay-<br />
ofilebas miiRebs, xalxs yelSi<br />
amouva erT xmaSi molaparake<br />
telemedia.<br />
_ mwuxarebiT unda aRvniSno,<br />
rom Cveni xelisuflebis pirobeb-<br />
Sic gvaxsovs aseTi SemTxvevebi...<br />
xelisuflebaSi Cveni yofnis dros<br />
ase monopolizebuli da ase mizanimarTulad<br />
kontrolirebuli<br />
telemedia ar yofila, magram arsebobdnen<br />
xelisuflebis mimarT<br />
loialuri televiziebi, ramac Zalian<br />
daasusta es instituti da<br />
cudi precedentebic danerga Cemi<br />
gadmosaxedidan... magram maSinac<br />
gvaxsovs, rom rogorc ki es sivrce<br />
am formiT daixura, mayureblis-<br />
Tvis aRar iyo saintereso, maSinve<br />
gaCnda alternatiuli wyaroebi,<br />
gamoCda iseTi sixSireebi da sakabelo<br />
televiziebi, romelsac manamde<br />
aravin Sexedavda. aseve moxdeba<br />
axlac, biZina ivaniSvili ver<br />
amoqolavs yvela xvrels, sadac<br />
Tavisufali sunTqva aris SesaZlebeli.<br />
amitom, saboloo jamSi, mainc<br />
optimisturad var ganwyobili.<br />
ubralod, Cveni amocanaa, rom mas<br />
es amocana maqsimalurad gavurTuloT<br />
da man ver moaxerxos saxelmwifo<br />
institutebis sruli kontroli.<br />
sabolo jamSi, es institutebi<br />
mainc adamianebisgan Sedgeba,<br />
sul aRmoCndebian iseTi mosamarTleebi,<br />
romlebsac is bolomde<br />
ver gaakontrolebs, romlebic<br />
Seuracxyofilebi iqnebian, mosyidvas<br />
ar daeqvemdebarebian.<br />
_ rac Seexeba partiaSi mim-<br />
dinare procesebs, mtkivneuli<br />
procesebi dasrulda Tu kvlav<br />
mimdinareobs, amjerad, ukve, ku-<br />
luarebSi?<br />
_ „nacionaluri moZraoba” sruliad<br />
kristalizebulia, Zalian<br />
myari, imaze myari, vidre bolo 4<br />
wlis ganmavlobaSi yofila da<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
`Tu xalxi saWirod miiCnevs, rom<br />
xelisuflebas quCis aqciebiT<br />
unda esaubros, `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~ maT gverdiT iqneba~<br />
imaze myari da erTsulovani, vidre<br />
Cven TviTonve gvegona, rom iqneboda.<br />
am procesebma, sabolo jamSi,<br />
Zalian pozitiurad imoqmeda Tvi-<br />
Ton partiis konsolidaciaze,<br />
partiis SigniT bevri sakiTxis gadafasebaze.<br />
am gadasaxedidan bevri<br />
adamiani acnobierebs da xvdeba realurad<br />
ra safrTxeebs Seicavda is<br />
kuluaruli mmarTvelobis stili,<br />
romelic am bolo 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
iyo „nacionalur moZraobaSi”.<br />
am suraTis naTlad danaxvam<br />
axla sul sxva sastarto pirobebi<br />
mogvca, partia bevrad gaxsnilia,<br />
politsabWos Semadgenloba gacilebiT<br />
mravalferovania, ufro<br />
warmomadgenlobiTi im gagebiT,<br />
rom regionuli warmomadgenlobis<br />
xarjze politsabWos Semadgenloba<br />
gaizarda. warmomadgenlebi iqnebian<br />
arCevnebis gziT SerCeuli<br />
adamianebi, romlebic pasuxismgebeli<br />
iqnebian im adamianebis winaSe,<br />
vinc maT mandati misca da ndoba<br />
gamoucxada. es partiis SigniT demokratiis<br />
SegrZnebis sul sxva gancdas<br />
badebs. partiul struqturebSi<br />
biurokratia gacilebiT Semcirebulia.<br />
politsabWoze adamianebs<br />
ar xvdebaT mza gadawyvetilebebi,<br />
sakiTxs ixilavs yvela dainteresebuli<br />
piri da araferi aRar<br />
xdeba Caketil kars miRma xuT-xuTkacian<br />
jgufebSi. yvela sakiTxze<br />
mimdinareobs Ria, gaxsnili diskusia<br />
da rac mTavaria, gamarjvebaze<br />
orientirebulebi varT. orientirebuli<br />
imaze, rom Cven yvela<br />
gziT unda gavumklavdeT da davamarcxoT<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis re-<br />
Jimi. biZina ivaniSvili ara rogorc<br />
ganyenebuli adamiani, aramed oligarqiuli<br />
mmarTveloba unda dasruldes<br />
da ar unda mieces Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba, mmarTvelobis es forma<br />
gamyardes da gaxangZlivdes.<br />
_ gazafxulze SesaZloa, kidev<br />
ufro gamwvavdes socialuri<br />
foni da xalxSi protestis muxti<br />
gaCdes, moTxovnileba quCis aqciebis,<br />
ra gegmebi aqvs partias am mi-<br />
marTulebiT?<br />
_ „nacionalur moZraobaSi”<br />
ganixileba yvelaferi, rac iqneba<br />
sazogadoebis dakveTa. „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” daemorCileba<br />
xalxis moTxovnas da xalxis dakve-<br />
Tas. Cven ar viqnebiT partia, romelic<br />
iqiT ukarnaxebs adamianebs,<br />
rom aucileblad arCevnebs unda<br />
daemorCilon, aucileblad oligarqis<br />
mier gaweril wesebs daemorCilon,<br />
Tu aucileblad quCaSi<br />
gavidnen. es iqneba qvevidan zeviT<br />
marTuli partia, Tu gamoikveTeba<br />
kritikuli masa, Tu xalxi saWirod<br />
miiCnevs, rom quCis aqciebiT unda<br />
esaubros xelisuflebas, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” maT gverdiT<br />
daudgeba. Tu es ase ar iqneba da<br />
CaiTvleba saWirod, rom mxolod<br />
arCevnebis gziT unda iaros, an kombinirebuli<br />
gziT, maSin partia<br />
maT rCevas gaiTvaliswinebs.<br />
_ bolo oTxi wlis manZilze<br />
araerTxel iyo sazogadoebis<br />
dakveTa quCis aqciebze, magram<br />
swored partia iyo winaaRmdegi da<br />
Tu aqciebze midgeboda saqme,<br />
Semoifargleboda ramdenimesaa-<br />
Tiani gamafrTxilebeli aqciiT,<br />
rac namdvilad ar iyo sazogadoe-<br />
bis dakveTa. „nacionaluri moZr-<br />
aoba” situaciis gamwvavebas, rad-<br />
ikalizacias erideboda.<br />
_ geTanxmebiT, es iyo partiis<br />
politika gasuli 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi,<br />
imdenad, ramdenadac partias<br />
marTavda partiuli umciresoba.<br />
umciresobas warmoadgendnen, magram<br />
formaluri berketebi maT<br />
xelSi iyo. es jgufi iyo swored<br />
imis momxre, rom „nacmo” unda yofiliyo<br />
zomieri opozicia, unda<br />
yofiliyo konstruqciuli. amas<br />
hyavda principuli mowinaaRmdegeebi<br />
partiaSi, saarCevno kampanii-<br />
Tac didi nawili ukmayofilo iyo,<br />
ubralod, arCevnebamde ar gamoikveTa,<br />
ramdenadac es dapirispireba<br />
ar iyo ase sajarod. esec erT-erTi<br />
principuli sakiTxi gaxldaT, ris<br />
garSemoc veRar moxerxda konsensusi.<br />
_ Tqven mogwondaT „TeTri xe-<br />
lTaTmanebis” saarCevno kampania?<br />
Tu imTaviTve migaCndaT, rom kam-<br />
pania bevrad mwvave da agresiuli<br />
unda yofiliyo?<br />
_ me maSinac mimaCnda, rom arc<br />
partiis da arc amomrCevlis dakve-<br />
Ta ar iyo yvelaferze bodiSis moxda,<br />
ar mimaCnda sworad, Cven dausruleblad<br />
unda gvesmina utifari<br />
braldebebi im xelisuflebisgan,<br />
romelic movida bavSvis sikvdiliT,<br />
dadgmuli kadrebiT, Zaladobis<br />
inscenirebiT. ar mimaCnda<br />
sworad, rom rodesac isini gvadanaSaulebdnen,<br />
bodiSebi gvexada da<br />
pasuxad marto is gveZaxa, rom 45<br />
aTas samuSao adgils viZleviT.<br />
namdvilad mimaCnda, rom es arc<br />
amomrCevlis dakveTa iyo, arc partiis<br />
da es gaxldaT arasworad<br />
warmoebuli kampania.<br />
mixeil saakaSvili<br />
biZina ivaniSvili<br />
N4 (181) 7.02-13.02.2017 w.<br />
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