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procesi gaCerebulia. ratom iweleba<br />
es saqme, ar vici da amitom<br />
gadavwyvite, rom mediasaSualebebs<br />
mivmarTo. yvela Cinovnikma pasuxi<br />
unda agos, rodesac biuros ufrosi<br />
aseT mavneblur saqciels sCadis<br />
da gamosworebaze ki ar fiqrobs,<br />
aramed TanamSromels aTavisuflebs.<br />
absoluturad yvela mimarTulebiT<br />
vapireb brZolas da Tu qveynis<br />
SigniT resursebs amovwurav,<br />
ar gamovricxav, strasburgis sasamarTlosac<br />
ki mivmarTo. ukan ar<br />
davixev, _ miuxedavad imisa, rom qardavam<br />
icoda, ori mcirewlovani<br />
Svili myavda, 2016 wlis pirvel oqtombers<br />
samsaxuridan gamaTavisufla,<br />
arada ojaxSi mxolod me vmu-<br />
Saob da ojaxs sxva saarsebo wyaro<br />
ar gaaCnia, aseve myavda mZime<br />
avadmyofi deda, dRes is ukve gar-<br />
Tamar batiaSvili<br />
593 61 74 15<br />
ssip „sajaro samsaxuris bi-<br />
uros” yofili TanamSromeli, irakli kilaZe, biuros ufros<br />
ekaterine qardavas saxelmwifo Tanxis aramiznobriv xarjvaSi<br />
adanaSaulebs. rogorc kilaZe „qronika+”-Tan acxadebs, samsaxuridan<br />
misi ganTavisuflebis mizezi swored aseTi faqti aR-<br />
moCnda, rodesac man qardavas sTxova, biuros kuTvnili manqa-<br />
nis ori saburavi ukan daebrunebina.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
irakli kilaZe<br />
„qronika+”-s esaubreba irakli<br />
kilaZe:<br />
_ ssip „sajaro samsaxuris biuroSi”<br />
2009 wlis agvistodan sxvadasxva<br />
poziciaze vmuSaobdi. 2012<br />
wlidan ukve saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi<br />
viyavi, magram 2014 wels, rodesac<br />
axali xelmZRvaneloba movida,<br />
yvelaferi gadaalaga. Sesyidvebis<br />
koordinatori viyavi, zemdgomi<br />
ar myavda da yvelanair operacias<br />
me ganvagebdi. rodesac axali<br />
xelmZRvaneloba movida, ufrosi<br />
daminiSnes da yvelanairi funqcia<br />
Seicvala, Zveli TanamSromlebi<br />
axali ufrosisTvis, ekaterine<br />
qardavasTvis, miuRebelni gaxdnen.<br />
qalbatoni qardava Tanamdebobaze<br />
movida Tu ara, 18 TanamSromlidan<br />
12-ma ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb gancxadeba<br />
dawera, miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom politikurad angaJirebuli<br />
arc erTi viyaviT. marTalia, samsaxuridan<br />
wasvlis mizezi aravis<br />
miuTiTebia, magram rodesac 18-dan<br />
12 TanamSromeli gancxadebas wers,<br />
advilad misaxvedria, iq rac xdeba.<br />
me, Sesyidvebis koordinator-<br />
Tan erTad, mTavari analitikosi<br />
gaxldiT da samarTlebriv sakiTxebs<br />
vkurirebdi. CamomerTva yvelanairi<br />
samarTlebrivi gadawyvetilebis<br />
funqcia, aseve Sesyidveb-<br />
Si gadawyvetilebis miRebis funqcia<br />
da mxolod teqnikuri Semsrulebeli<br />
davrCi, rogorc Zveli<br />
TanamSromeli. albaT, Cem mimarT<br />
undobloba iyo da ar gamiprotestebia,<br />
magram zemdgomebad absoluturad<br />
arakompetenturi xalxi<br />
iniSneboda da vuTxari, rom es<br />
raRac Secdomas gamoiwvevda. mipasuxes,<br />
_ ara uSavs, Sen dawynardi<br />
da rasac getyviT, Seasruleo.<br />
_ rogor daiwyo Tqven Soris<br />
uTanxmoeba?<br />
_ pirveli uTanxmoeba imiT daiwyo,<br />
rom ufrosis xarjebi dausabuTebeli<br />
iyo, amis dasabuTeba<br />
moviTxove, vuTxari, rom iseTi<br />
moxsenebiTi baraTi daewera, sadac<br />
es xarjebi dasabuTebuli iqneboda.<br />
mTeli uflebamosileba CamomerTva,<br />
magram mainc Zveli brZaneba<br />
funqcionirebda, rom Sesyidveb-<br />
Si monawile piri viyavi da pasuxismgebloba<br />
mec mekisreboda. gadawyvetilebis<br />
miRebis ufleba aRar<br />
mqonda, magram, amis miuxedavad, es<br />
sabuTebi Cems xelSi xvdeboda. aRmoCnda,<br />
rom absoluturad dausabuTebeli<br />
800-900 lari TiTqos<br />
warmomadgenlobiT xarjSi gadioda.<br />
warmomadgenlobiTi xarji aris,<br />
magaliTad, stumari, magram igi<br />
biuroSi ar Canda. swored amis dasabuTeba<br />
moviTxove. am moTxovnam<br />
qalbatoni qardava gaabraza, rogor<br />
gavbede amis Tqma, radgan iq<br />
monuri sistema unda yofiliyo,<br />
rasac getyodnen, is unda Segesrulebina,<br />
amas miaRwia kidec da im<br />
12-ma TanamSromelma, romelic ar<br />
daeTanxma, gancxadebebi dawera da<br />
wavida, danarCenSi ki es SiSi damkvidrda.<br />
2015 wlis 13 ivnisis Tbilisis<br />
stiqiis dros dagvianebebi amoyara<br />
da erTi Tvis xelfasi damiqviTa.<br />
ukve gasagebi iyo, ras moqmedebda,<br />
amitom moxsenebiTi bara-<br />
Ti oficialurad gavaforme, romelic<br />
2015 wlis 7 agvistoTi davaTariRe,<br />
sadac vwer, rom saxelmwifo<br />
biujetis xarjebi aramiznobrivad<br />
ixarjeba, gTxovT, xeli ar<br />
moaweroT Sesabamis miReba-Cabarebis<br />
aqts da biuros beWdiT ar daamowmoT,<br />
Tu es xarjebi detalurad<br />
dasabuTebuli ar iqneba-meTqi.<br />
erTi TviT adre misi gamocemuli<br />
brZaneba aviRe, romliTac xelfasi<br />
dameqviTa da sasamarTloSi<br />
gavasaCivre, Tan mivuTiTe, es ras<br />
mohyva, _ rogorc ki dausabuTebeli<br />
xarjebi aRmovaCine, mesame<br />
dResve disciplinuri sasjeli<br />
damekisra yvelanairi kanondar-<br />
RveviT. xelfasis CamoWra mZime<br />
disciplinuri sanqciaa da sanam<br />
amas gamoiyenebda, jer msubuqi sanqcia<br />
unda mieRo. aqac Cans, rom Cem<br />
mimarT ufrosma angariSsworeba<br />
daiwyo. qardava amaze ufro metad<br />
gabrazda, swored am dros Tavis<br />
kabinetSi pirvelad damemuqra.<br />
_ ra saxis muqara iyo?<br />
_ rodesac qardavasTan kabinet-<br />
Si dasalaparakeblad Sevedi, miTxra,<br />
rom nebismieri mizeziT samsaxuridan<br />
gamiSvebda. Tan icoda, rom<br />
me da Cemi meuRle Svils velodebodiT,<br />
2 TviT adre sadazRvevo<br />
xelSekruleba Semiwydeboda da<br />
mere SemeZlo, sasamarTloSi meCivla,<br />
romelic didi xani gaiweleboda.<br />
es iyo saSineli zewola, romliTac<br />
bavSvis sicocxles safrTxe<br />
emuqreboda da iZulebuli gavxdi,<br />
sarCeli ukan gamometana. es dokumentebi<br />
Senaxuli maqvs. bolos,<br />
saerTod SeveSvi da muSaoba gavagrZele.<br />
misi mxridan es iyo iZuleba,<br />
romelic Tu damtkicda,<br />
sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsiT dasjadia,<br />
magram advilad dasamtkicebelia.<br />
suleli xom ar viyavi, rom<br />
sasamarTlos sarCeliT mivmarTe<br />
da ukan gamovitane? kontrolis<br />
palatam, an, Tundac, saxelmwifo<br />
auditma rom Seamowmos, faqti dadasturdeba,<br />
is xarjebi ar aris<br />
dasabuTebuli.<br />
_ aRniSneT, rom sasamarTl-<br />
odan sarCeli ukan gamoitaneT,<br />
ratom gagrZelda konfliqti?<br />
_ 2016 wlis martSi finansTa saministros<br />
momsaxurebis saagentos<br />
moZravi qoneba gadaecemoda, anu<br />
biuroSi rac ar gWirdeba, unda aRiweros<br />
da am saagentos gadavceT.<br />
am qonebis aRwera damevala. rogorc<br />
aRvniSne, adre Sesyidvebis<br />
koordinatori viyavi da Sesyidvebs<br />
yovelTvis Tvals vadevnebdi,<br />
moZiebis dros aRmoCnda, rom ori<br />
saburavi, romelic adre SevisyideT,<br />
arc Camowerili iyo da arc<br />
gadacemuli. gamaxsenda, rom es saburavebi<br />
mZRolebma adre, ratom-<br />
Rac, ufrosis, qardavas pirad farexSi<br />
Seinaxes. radgan sameurneo<br />
saqmeebi me ar mevaleboda, ar gavyolivar,<br />
magram rodesac am qonebis<br />
aRweris sakiTxi dadga, Sevaxsene<br />
da vuTxari, _ gTxovT, moitanoT<br />
es saburavebi da am qonebasac finansTa<br />
saministros momsaxurebis<br />
saagentos gadavcemT-meTqi. amis<br />
Tqma iyo da qardavam xelaxali<br />
zewola daiwyo, rom gancxadeba<br />
damewera da samsaxuridan wavsuliyavi.<br />
uari vTqvi, Semdeg sabu-<br />
Ti SeTiTxnes, rom SesyidvebSi<br />
raRac Secdoma moxda.<br />
_ ra Secdomaze iyo saubari?<br />
_ Secdoma Seexeboda imas, rom<br />
Sav siaSi registrirebul kompaniasTan<br />
xelSekruleba daido. erTerTi<br />
xelmomweri mec viyavi, ar<br />
gadamimowmebia, radgan maT kompetenciaSi<br />
Sedioda, visTan vdebdiT<br />
xelSekrulebas. es ufrosebma TavianT<br />
Tavze aiRes, me, rogorc<br />
arasando pirs, xelSekrulebebi<br />
saerTod gamauqmebines da TviTon<br />
mohqondaT sia _ visTan unda dadebuliyo<br />
xelSekruleba. aRarc vamowmebdi,<br />
radgan kidev unda meCxuba<br />
da xelSekrulebas vaformebdi.<br />
es Secdoma aRmoCnda, rom xelSekruleba<br />
gaformda kompaniasTan,<br />
romelic Sav siaSi iyo. kanonis<br />
mixedviT, Sesyidvebis saagento<br />
yovelgvar kanondarRvevas aanalizebs<br />
da Tu miiCnevs, rom is mniSvnelovani<br />
darRvevaa, maSin kanon-<br />
Si pirdapir weria, rom Sesyidvebze<br />
pasuxismgebel pirs pirdapir<br />
ekisreba 1500 laris jarima. werili<br />
movida, rom Sesyidvebi arasworadaa<br />
ganxorcielebuli, magram<br />
imdenad umniSvnelo darRveva iyo<br />
(100 laramde saweri pasta da furceli),<br />
rom Sesyidvebis saagentom<br />
samarTalwarmoeba ar daiwyo, magram<br />
radgan qardava Cemze ukve<br />
gabrazebuli iyo da moSoreba undoda,<br />
radgan dausabuTebel xarjebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT veranairad<br />
gamaCera, maSin pasuxismgebeli gamxada,<br />
brZaneba dawera da samsaxuridan<br />
gamaTavisufla. es ukanonobaa.<br />
_ sasamarTlos mimarTeT?<br />
_ diax, sasamarTloSi viCivle,<br />
magram es grZelvadiani procesia<br />
da 1-2 weli sWirdeba. sasamarTlom<br />
saqme warmoebaSi miiRo, magram<br />
ganxilva jer ar dawyebula. aseve<br />
prokuraturas mivmarTe, rom saxelmwifos<br />
ziani miadga. ratomRac,<br />
prokuratura gaCerebulia, arc<br />
gamoZiebas iwyebs da arc uars ambobs.<br />
prokuraturaSi zepiri gasaubreba<br />
gaviare da gamoZieba rom<br />
daiwyos, mowmis saxiT gamokiTxvaze<br />
unda damibaron, arc es keTdeba da<br />
`sajaro samsaxuris<br />
biuros~ ufross<br />
yofili<br />
TanamSromeli<br />
saxelmwifo Tanxis<br />
aramiznobriv<br />
xarjvaSi amxels!<br />
`qalbatoni qardava<br />
Tanamdebobaze movida<br />
Tu ara, 18<br />
TanamSromlidan 12-ma<br />
ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb<br />
gancxadeba dawera,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
politikurad<br />
angaJirebuli arc erTi<br />
viyaviT. marTalia,<br />
samsaxuridan wasvlis<br />
mizezi aravis<br />
miuTiTebia, magram<br />
rodesac 18-dan 12<br />
TanamSromeli<br />
gancxadebas wers,<br />
advili misaxvedria,<br />
iq rac xdeba~<br />
dacvlilia. qardavas ukanono, winaswar<br />
ganzraxuli qmedebiT dedaCems<br />
sicocxlis gaxangrZlivebis<br />
safrTxe Seeqmna, xolo Cems 7<br />
wlis bavSvs, luka kilaZes, romelic<br />
dRes ukve Tavis asakSi saqar-<br />
Tvelos Wadrakis federaciis Tasis<br />
mflobeli da Tbilisis Cempionia,<br />
mamis umuSevrobis gamo momavali<br />
unda daengres, radgan erTma<br />
daboRmilma Cinovnikma ase moisurva.<br />
swored qardavas ukanono<br />
gadawyvetilebam mogvitana is<br />
ziani, rom finansuri resursis gadaketvis<br />
gamo Svili baTumSi msoflio<br />
Wadrakis Cempionatze ver<br />
gaviyvane, romelsac SeiZleboda,<br />
samSoblosTvis kargi Sedegi moetana.<br />
ai, aseTi Cinovnikebis gamo ferxdeba<br />
Cveni inteleqtualuri cxovreba!<br />
Cemi mizania, es saqme rezonansuli<br />
iyos, romelic Cvens qveyanaSi<br />
arakompetenturi da arakvalificiuri<br />
Cinovnikebis gamovlenasa<br />
da maT CamoSorebas daudebs<br />
saTaves. am SemTxvevaSi arasamTavrobo<br />
organizaciebsa da Jurnalistebs<br />
yvelaze didi misia aqvT,<br />
msgavsi saqmeebi saaSkaraoze gamoitanon<br />
da sazogadoebis gansjis<br />
sagani gaxadon. imasac getyviT,<br />
rom 2014 wlis 2 seqtembris #68/<br />
sa da #69/sa brZanebiT, ssip „sajaro<br />
samsaxuris biuros” ufrosma<br />
ekaterine qardavam sakuTar Tavs<br />
danamati dauniSna Tanamdebobrivi<br />
sargos 70%-iT (dRemde danamatiT<br />
aRebuli Tanxa 50 000 lars scildeba).<br />
dasabuTebaSi weria, rom es<br />
Tanxa zeganakveTuri muSaobisaa da<br />
gansakuTrebiT sapasuxismgeblo<br />
funqciuri datvirTvis gamo mieniWa.<br />
Tumca biuros ufrosi ekaterine<br />
qardava ver akonkretebs, ra<br />
gansakuTrebuli datvirTva hqonda<br />
mis muSaobas am sami wlis ganmavlobaSi,<br />
an ra gaakeTa iseTi, rac<br />
biuros debulebiT ar iyo gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
(rac evaleboda, amisTvis<br />
misi Tanamdebobrivi sargo 2900<br />
lars Seadgens), an saidan icoda<br />
sami wliT adre, rom mas zeganakve-<br />
Turi muSaoba mouwevda, rom aTiaTasobiT<br />
danamati aeRo?!<br />
`qronika+" mTeli dRis manZilze<br />
cdilobda ssip "sajaro samsaxuris<br />
biurosTan" dakavSirebas oficialur<br />
vebgverdze miTiTebul nomer-<br />
ze: 2-19-27-27, magram Cvens zarebs<br />
aravin upasuxa. Setyobineba gavugzavneT<br />
eleqtronul fostazec, ma-<br />
gram am dromde pasuxi ar migviRia.<br />
ekaterine qardava<br />
6 N4 (181) 7.02-13.02.2017 w.
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