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1633. It is not a matter of objection; it is a matter of extraordinary
keenness; it must be ?-In my case, 1 am now the President of the Lllinese
Young Men's Society, and 1 think 1 can influence the members of that Society,
to help.
1634. Dr. Galloway.-They are prepared to make an cIIort and a
continued effort towards the suppression of opium 1-Yes.
1635. Chairman.-I suggest there would not be an association after 5
years of continued effort 1-Then, there are many other societies and associa·
tions which would help, and many guilds as well.
1636. In the matter of public spirit amongst the Chinese, give me an
instance in the past during your life-time of steady and continued acth'e
effort by the Chinese lasting over a period of ten or fifteen years 1-That is
very difficult to answer. I quite admit the Chinese are good at the beginning
and weak at the end; but when urged on by others, they must continue.
1637. You mean there will be a rivalry amongst these various associations
to give the greatest amount of assistance to the Government in this
matter?-Yes, there will be. .
1638. In this paper that was sent to me by Mr. CHAPMAN, you have reo
ferred to gambling. I put a query against that. Have the Chinese
associations solidly assisted the Government, ever sincc ljo\'crl1111cnt
suppressed gambling in the Federated M.alay States, to continue the effective
suppression of it ?-So fas as I know the Siah H uis have done it.
1639. D,.. Galloway.-What proportion of the total number of clubs
do the Siah Huis represent. Are they as numerous as other clubs 1-1 £hink
they are in the majority now. The old conservative clubs are dying out.
1640. Chairman.-With the assistance of these Siah Huis and of the
opinion of the Chinese, do you think that gambling has been effectively
suppressed in the Federated Malay States?-They do not gamble openly or
in most clubs. There may be secret gambling. I cannot speak about that';
but in my experience, gambling has been reduced. .
1641. Gambling has been reduced, and it is going on in secret you say.
That is what will happen to opium smoking ?-It may happen, but where
will they get the opium from?
1642. From China ?-Then keep a strict watch on China. I agree
that there must be very strict supervision over Chinese importation of opium.
1643. Do you know anything of the present position in China with
regard to poppy cultivation and with regard to opium smoking ?-I have
never been to China in my life, but 1 have friends coming from the various
Provinces, and they say the planting of poppy is not according to Government
sanction. Ex-soldiers, for purposes of their selfish gain, plant without
the Government's knowledge and order.
1644. Do you think it is any good for us to take suppressive measures
here if China is in the position of not being able to effectuate her own
measures ?-I think China ought to be requested to make restriction effective.
1645. In how many years, do you think, China will be able to make
the prohibition of poppy cultivation effective ?-That I cannot say. When
the Government is put in order a proper Government will control that.
1646· When do you think they will have a proper Government in,
China ?-I am not a prophet; 1 cannot tell.
1647. M,.. -lelf.-H we wrote to the Government of China, to whom
would we write ?-I think there is no Government now, but you should write
to both the Peking GovErnment and the Canton Government.
1648· D,.. Galloway.-Are you of opinion that if poppy cultivation
were suppressed in China we would have no, difficulty in suppressing its use
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