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269WH<br />

Drugs<br />

6 JUNE 2013<br />

Drugs<br />

270WH<br />

at what New Zealand is doing. I am suggesting not that<br />

he needs to go t<strong>here</strong>, but that he engage with what New<br />

Zealand Ministers have done, because we should adopt<br />

such good practice in future. I urge the Government to<br />

follow our recommendation to make retailers liable for<br />

the harms caused by untested psychoactive substances<br />

that they have sold. Just as a garage would be responsible<br />

for a crash involving a faulty car, legal high sellers<br />

should be accountable for the effects of their products.<br />

The cost of ineffective drugs policy reaches far wider<br />

than the <strong>United</strong> <strong>Kingdom</strong>. During the Committee’s<br />

visit to Colombia, we witnessed how the devastating<br />

impact of drugs extends far beyond the addict. In 2010,<br />

coca was cultivated on 149,100 hectares in Andean<br />

countries—an area roughly one and a half times the<br />

size of Hong Kong—that cannot afford to fight the<br />

drugs war on their own. The value of the global cocaine<br />

market is £543 billion, while Bolivia’s national budget,<br />

for example, is just £1.69 billion. Despite damage to<br />

their land, farmers receive only 1% of the revenue from<br />

global cocaine sales. When the Committee met the<br />

President of Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, he asked<br />

us why his policemen, his judges and his citizens should<br />

die in the war on drugs when members of the British<br />

public were the ones who wanted to use those drugs.<br />

The responsibility lies with us.<br />

I want to take this opportunity to pay tribute to<br />

President Santos and his soldiers and police officers<br />

who, day after day, die protecting us from the scourge of<br />

cocaine. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude. I shall<br />

be meeting him this afternoon as he is in London and I<br />

will again convey the thanks of our country. I also want<br />

to thank the Colombian ambassador to the <strong>United</strong><br />

<strong>Kingdom</strong>, His Excellency Ambassador Rodriguez, for<br />

his assistance with our visit to Colombia and for keeping<br />

us informed with a regular dialogue.<br />

Some 85% of profits are earned by distributors of<br />

drugs in the <strong>United</strong> States or Europe, and the <strong>United</strong><br />

Nations estimates that global drugs profits stand at<br />

£380 billion, the vast majority of which ends up in<br />

our financial system. Antonio Maria Costa, the former<br />

head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, has said:<br />

“I cannot think of one bank in the world that has not been<br />

penetrated by mafia money.”<br />

Banks with British bases, such as Coutts and HSBC,<br />

have been found guilty of laundering drugs money, yet<br />

t<strong>here</strong> have been no individual prosecutions, just fines,<br />

which are basically a drop in the ocean for multinational<br />

banks. Those companies need to hear the rattling of<br />

handcuffs in their boardrooms. We must bring forward<br />

new legislation to extend the personal criminal liability<br />

of those who hold senior positions in our banks and<br />

who have been found wanting for not dealing with<br />

money laundering.<br />

The Financial Services Authority did not come up to<br />

scratch on that issue, as it ignored almost $380 billion<br />

of money laundered by the drug cartels and dealers. I<br />

hope—I look to the Minister for assurance on this<br />

matter—that the new Financial Conduct Authority will<br />

be much tougher than the FSA, because we were not<br />

overly convinced by the FSA’s work.<br />

After a year scrutinizing UK drugs policy, it was<br />

clear to the Committee that many aspects of our current<br />

drugs policy were simply not working and needed to be<br />

reviewed. When the then Lord Chancellor, the right<br />

hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr Clarke),<br />

gave evidence to the Committee, he told us that the war<br />

on drugs had failed. The Prison Governors Association<br />

also recently said that we needed to rethink our approach<br />

to drugs. We are not dealing with the dealers or focusing<br />

on the users. Drugs still cost thousands of lives and<br />

billions of pounds each year.<br />

People are already describing Guinea-Bissau as the<br />

world’s first narco-state. That is why we felt that, even<br />

after a year’s inquiry, the visits that we made and the<br />

evidence that we took, it was vital that the Government<br />

established a royal commission. We felt that the best<br />

way forward was to bring all the people with great<br />

expertise, including those who have been affected by<br />

drugs, before a royal commission headed by a High<br />

Court judge so that we can study in huge depth this<br />

subject that even we, after a year, have not got to the<br />

bottom of.<br />

I urge the Minister to reconsider our proposal on a<br />

royal commission. I think that he supports the idea of<br />

one, but the problem is with other parts of the coalition<br />

Government. It is the policy of his party and his leader,<br />

the Deputy Prime Minister, to support a royal commission,<br />

and it is a policy that has been advocated by the hon.<br />

Member for Cambridge. I cannot remember the quote<br />

of the Deputy Prime Minister, but he once lavishly<br />

praised the hon. Gentleman, saying that as far as he was<br />

concerned, on certain aspects of policy, what the hon.<br />

Member for Cambridge said went. I hope very much<br />

that the royal commission can be established and that<br />

the Government will look at all aspects of drugs policy,<br />

so that t<strong>here</strong> is a proper debate. We do not want a<br />

situation in which politicians run away as soon as the<br />

word “drugs” is mentioned and everyone hides under<br />

the table. We want a proper and open discussion, as I<br />

had in Leicester. I asked the Leicester Mercury to conduct<br />

a citizens’ poll to tell me what the people felt about the<br />

matter. I pay tribute to the Leicester Mercury and all the<br />

other local papers that were part of that debate. Let the<br />

people decide; let them put forward their views to a<br />

royal commission. I believe that that is the proper way<br />

forward.<br />

To those who say that a royal commission could last<br />

forever, let me say that we thought about that, which is<br />

why we suggested that it should have an end date of<br />

2015—that magic year in the history of our country<br />

when all things will change and all things will become<br />

visible. This matter is a great challenge for us and for<br />

our generation of politicians and I hope that we will rise<br />

to it.<br />

Hugh Bayley (in the Chair): I think that the Chamber<br />

should hear from the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr<br />

Huppert).<br />

1.56 pm<br />

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD): It is a pleasure<br />

to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bayley, and to<br />

follow the Chair of the Select Committee, especially<br />

after his kind words. I am not sure that they were<br />

entirely accurate. I think that he was referring to the<br />

draft Communications Data Bill, which he and I and<br />

various others have discussed in the past.<br />

I congratulate the Chair of the Select Committee on<br />

having the courage to ensure that the Committee considered<br />

this issue, because it is so sensitive and can lead to a

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