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Interview with Grady Gammage - Central Arizona Project

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Q. The Appropriation Doctrine, first-in-time, first-in-right, that water was kind of built<br />

upon, do you think that’s going to survive in the future <strong>with</strong> the drought and<br />

population<br />

A. That’s interesting. That’s part of [what] this fight in Yavapai County is about. I<br />

don’t really understand it exactly but that was what some of the argument was<br />

going on about last time. No, but it will die not <strong>with</strong> a bang but a whimper. We<br />

won’t even know that it’s really died. It’s not like it will be overturned by a court<br />

decision or some kind of statutory change. It’s just that it will come not to mean<br />

very much because price and delivery mean everything. The rights that are<br />

represented by first-in-time, first-in-right will mean less and less over time.<br />

Q. What do you see as <strong>Arizona</strong>’s future water challenges in the short term and then<br />

in the long term<br />

A. The rural growth issue is huge. We have got to come to grips <strong>with</strong> figuring out an<br />

appropriate life style <strong>with</strong> that and appropriate water use footprint for how people<br />

can and should live in the rural West. The West is the most urban part of the<br />

United States in large measure because of water. Because we have to<br />

concentrate water, it’s this concentrated force. And yet, now we’re all trying to<br />

have our little ranchettes. I drove through mile after mile of these last week. We<br />

have to figure that out. And it may be that water as a constraint to growth will in<br />

fact be much more visibly felt in the rural parts of <strong>Arizona</strong> then it will in Phoenix.<br />

People think that Phoenix is going to be constrained in its growth by water. I’m<br />

<strong>Interview</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Grady</strong> <strong>Gammage</strong><br />

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