Interview with Grady Gammage - Central Arizona Project

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There’s really two. There’s “Growing Smarter” and there’s “Growing Smarter Plus” because it was done over a period of time. But we’ve revised our statues a bunch about growth. Q. There’s been other legislation more recently trying to reform how the State Land A. Right. is sold and regulated. Q. Do you think there will be future . . . A. Yeah. It’ll come back around again. I think it will be less aggressive next time. I was strongly in favor of Prop 106 in this last election. It was too complicated and people weren’t willing to do it. Now the other thing I’m talking about is Prop 207 which passed which I thought was extraordinarily misguided and says that, says we have to compensate people if we put any new regulation on their land use. Well, if you’re serious about a relationship between water and growth and need to manage those kinds of things on into the future, I’m concerned that Prop 207 may limit our hands in terms of what we can do about water conservation measures in the future. There’s certainly an argument and nobody knows exactly what its impact is. I just wrote a chapter in this book for the Arizona Town Hall that’s coming up on land use about Prop 207. Interview with Grady Gammage Page 84 of 91
Q. Oregon has always talked about, Portland is always shown as an example (remainder inaudible) . . . A. Although interestingly, Oregon is the only state that has something like Prop 207. They have Measure 37, which was a backlash to urban growth boundaries. That basically said they had to compensate people for the negative effects of urban growth boundaries. I’ve never been in favor of urban growth boundaries in Arizona. I campaigned against it when the Sierra Club proposed it because I don’t think that is our problem. I think that’s a mechanism that is designed to deal with a diminishing amount of land for sort of agricultural use being consumed by a suburban development. We don’t have a shortage of land for agricultural use. It’s water. It’s not land. So in my mind that was the wrong mechanism for here, which is why I tried to suggest off and on that maybe water is the way we ought to think about eliminating for future growth of the area. But I have yet to get anybody to agree with me on that issue. Q. Do you have any advice to the people running CAP today A. That is a loaded question. Who’s going to see this Anybody I am concerned that the current make up of the CAP Board [includes] a number of people who are surprisingly distrustful of the professional staff at CAP. I don’t know why. I think it is a combination of a political or philosophical bias that bureaucrats must be up to no good, and campaign rhetoric to have gotten elected. I’m just close Interview with Grady Gammage Page 85 of 91
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