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e stubborn and determined and, above all, lucky.<br />

Are you always so determined and stubborn?<br />

No. One story I abandoned—after a lot of reporting and research— was about three<br />

antigovernment renegades in the Four Corners region who gunned down a cop with automatic<br />

weapons, in broad daylight on a busy street, in Cortez, Colorado, a few years back. The police<br />

chased the bad guys into the desert, where two of them eventually turned up dead. The third fugitive<br />

was never caught and might still be out there. I love spending time in the desert, and I had a wonderful<br />

time researching the story. I got to explore some beautiful slot canyons in remote parts of the<br />

Colorado Plateau, but the main subject of the story—the fugitive who may still be alive—wasn’t<br />

someone I found sympathetic. He was a creep. The guy wasn’t likeable enough for me to invest years<br />

of my life writing about him.<br />

Is likeability a criterion in deciding whether to write about someone?<br />

Not likeability exactly. Dan Lafferty certainly isn’t very likeable and he’s the central figure in<br />

Under the Banner of Heaven. But I found him complicated and intriguing. The main character in the<br />

fugitive story I abandoned lacked sufficient moral complexity and depth to sustain my interest. He<br />

was merely a pathetic, hate-filled young man. Although Lafferty is abhorrent in all kinds of ways,<br />

there are sides to him that I find fascinating, even sympathetic. He tells us some very disturbing things<br />

about ourselves.<br />

What kind of research do you do?<br />

Essentially, I grab a shovel and start digging hard, for a long time—in the case of Under the<br />

Banner of Heaven, I spent more than three years doing the research before I began to write. On a<br />

couple of occasions in the past I’ve hired private investigators to help me find elusive fugitives (in<br />

each case they failed), but I’ve never hired a researcher to help me with background for a book or<br />

magazine project. I enjoy doing the research—I enjoy it a hell of a lot more than writing. I always<br />

begin by combing library card catalogues, bookstores, rare-book dealers, the Internet, and newspaper<br />

archives. A sense of place—a familiarity with the particulars of the landscape in question— is<br />

always important to me, so I buy lots of maps.<br />

For Under the Banner of Heaven, I spent a lot of time at Brigham Young University, the Salt Lake<br />

City Public Library, and the Utah State Historical Society combing through card files. The Mormons<br />

are such compulsive chroniclers of their past that any archive associated with Mormon history is<br />

crammed with a staggering amount of material.<br />

I pay special attention to names or events that may help me connect disparate narrative threads. For<br />

instance, early in my research for Under the Banner, I learned that Dan Lafferty and his brother Ron<br />

had joined a group called the School of the Prophets, where they learned how to receive revelations<br />

from God—including the revelation in which God commanded them to slash the throats of their sisterin-law<br />

and her baby girl. So I read the school’s sacred texts, unearthed the names of all of its

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