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mesame gverdidan - mere mivxvdi, ratomac. savaraudod, im misaRebSi idga mosasmeni da Camweri mowyobiloba. Cveni saubari Sedga, xelSi gazeTis is nomeri eWira, romelSic Cemi interviu gamoqveynda da miTxra: aseTi sibin- Zuris dawera rogor gabedeo? me vuTxari, Tu ram aRaSfoTa? _ jer is mikvirda, mRvdlobas rom apirebdi, kaci saRvTo rjuls kiTxulobdi da aq amaT religiis istorias aswavli Tu saRvTo rjuls, ra ginda aqmeTqi?! _ megobrebi viyaviT da ratom dawere es Cemzeo?! vuTxari, _ rame tyuili vTqvi? rac Sen CemTan gaqvs moyolili rafaliancis saqmeze, kinaRam kacs rom saangariSo TavSi Caartyi da Zalian didi sibinZure iyo, ase iyo da ise iyo, eg vTqvi, sxva rame ki ar miTqvams, amas axlac vambob, magram Sen is miTxari, Sen ra ginda aq geninspeqciaSi samRvdelo pirs-meTqi?! _ me iuristic var, ise ki ar ariso!.. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com Tornike riJvaZe viyavi Casmuli iq da Cem Tvalwin xdeboda agentebis informaciebis mogroveba, Canawerebis micema, gadacema, gadmocema da am situaciaSi CemTvis iribad cnobilia, rom, faqtobrivad, TadumaZe `ocnebaSi~ Casmuli iyo. makavSirebeli pirebi igive xalxi iyo, anu kud-isa da centraluri sadazvervo sammarTvelos maRal eSelonebSi iyvnen damakavSirebeli pirebi, visTanac informaciebi midioda. ukve mogvianebiT, „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi mosvlisas, gavige, rom aq ormagi TamaSi iyo _ praqtikulad, ivaniSvili ar Semcdara. Salva TadumaZe xom biZina ivaniSvilis advokati iyo, maSin ivaniSvilTan daaxloebulma wreebma icodnen, rom eseni Casmuli agentebi iyvnen, magram didi fulisa da ke- TildReobis sanacvlod Casmuli agentebi TavianT samsaxur- Si Caayenes da axla isini ormagi agentebi iyvnen. ase sWirdeboda maSin xelisuflebaSi mosasvlelad ivaniSvilTan daax- kargad icnobs, radgan axla ar arsebobs „nacionalebis” specsamsaxurebi da „qarTuli ocnebis” specsamsaxurebi, eseni arian mTlianad „qarTuli ocnebis” mier daqiravebuli specsamsaxurebi. savaraudod, maSinac „qarTuli ocneba” ixdida amaSi fuls, rom is informaciebi biZinamde misuliyo da es ma- Sin alasaniasTan daaxloebul wreebs evaleboda. konkretuli gvarebis dasaxelebisgan Tavs Sevikaveb, vinmes rom brali ar davdo. arsebobs specialuri informacia, romelic Tavdacvis saministros centralur sadazvervo sammarTveloSi devs. visac eWvi epareba, rom Cem mier dasaxelebuli pirebi agentebi iyvnen, centraluri sadazvervo sammarTvelos monacemTa gasaidumloebul dokumentTa bazaSi dafinansebis damadasturebeli dokumentebi arsebobs, riTac amaT sxvadasxva saWiroebisTvis fuls uxdidnen, maT Soris, gadaadgilebisTvis. amoiRon es doku- vin sTavazobda zurab jorbenaZes `qronika+-is winaaRmdeg Cvenebis micemas? am piradi saubrebis Semdeg axlobluri daiWira da Cemgan moiTxova, preskonferencia Cametarebina da meTqva, rom am statiis gamoqveynebasa da daweraSi „qronika+“-ma, konkretulad eliso kilaZem, gadamixada fuli. es iyo warmoudgeneli sibinZure, radgan Zveli megobrebi viyaviT. albaT iman ifiqra, rom amis Tqmis ufleba hqonda, Tumca xaTriZesTan arasdros vyofilvar ramiT davalebuli da arasdros mqonia mas- Tan saqmiani urTierToba, piriqiT, yovelTvis mas vWirdebodi, rogorc iseTi piri, romelic SeiZleboda rameSi gamovdgomodi. ra Tqma unda, viuare da miTxra, _ ai, Sen naxe, amas mainc moyveba raRaca da mere inanebo!.. pirdapir ar uTqvams, dagi- Wereno, magram miniSneba iyo, _ Tu ase gaagrZeleb, ai, naxe, inanebo!.. me vuTxari, _ adeiSvili rom adeiSvilia, iman veraferi miqna da Sen ra unda miqna?! Tu damiWeren, erTi karidan Seval da meore karidan gamoval, roca iqneba, xom gamoval Tavisufali-meTqi!.. Zalian gabrazebuli davSordiT erTmaneTs da sami dRis Semdeg Cav- Tvale, rom es xaTriZis mxridan seriozuli zewola iyo da ara marto Cemze, aramed presis diskreditacia gaxldaT. gancxadeba davwere da mTavar prokuraturas mivmarTe. karga xani araferi Sedegi ar mohyolia da garkveuli drois Semdeg, gancxadebis Setanidan eqvsi Tve iyo gasuli, Tu meti ara, mTavar prokuraturaSi damibares, gamomZiebeli iyo beqa. gvarad, Tu ar vcdebi _ kviciani. viRac Tanamdebobis piri Semxvda, piradad beqa mxolod dasanaxad Semxvda, sxva Tanamdebobis pirma gamomkiTxa, romlis saxeli da gvari ar vici da rac axla vTqvi, iqac igive movyevi. ar gamkvirvebia, rom amas aranairi Sedegi ar mohyolia, arc werilobiT mimiRia, ra Sedegi mohyva Cems gancxadebas, rom realurad Cemze zewola ganxorcielda, riTac xaTriZe cdilobda, misTvis sasargeblo informacia gamevrcelebina, rac Cemi mxridan sibinZure iqneboda. axlac vambob, rom, praqtikulad, „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba „nacionalebis” droindel reJimis gzas daadga zustad aseTi meTodebiT da midgomebiT: SiSiT, SantaJiTa da damuqrebiT. gansxvaveba mxolod isaa, rom eseni jer ar klaven da ar aupatiureben, magram Tu saWiro gaxda, albaT, amasac izamen. _ Tqven mTavari prokuroris SesarCev konkursSi monawi- leobdiT, gancxadeba SeitaneT, magram rogorc mosalodneli iyo, iusticiis saministros rCeulebs Soris ver aRmoCn- diT... _ aris gamoTqma, _ giJi qalaqs midioda, ra mihqonda, ra mohqondao? CemTan daaxloebulma xalxma da megobrebma mkiTxes, ratom Sevitane mTavari prokuroris kandidatad gancxadeba? isedac vicodi, rom aravin amirCevda. aris aseTi ram: Cvens qveyanaSi „qarTuli ocneba” didi xania, ukve „nacmoZraobis” reJimis gzas daadga da imisTvis, rom reJims ebrZolo, reJimTan mudmiv dapirispireba- Si unda iyo. zustad imave sawyisze vdgavar, razec videqi 2010 wels, roca damiWires. 2011-2012 wlebSi sul vebrZodi reJims, miuxedavad imisa, ra mZime tvir- Ti mekida mxrebze, axlac vityvi, rom saqarTveloSi veravin gabeda da ver Tqva, rom is iyo „daverbovkebuli” agenti. dideba ufals da madloba, _ me gavbede da vTqvi, rom viyavi agenti da isic vTqvi, vin iyvnen agentebi, „qarTuli ocneba” agentebiTaa savse. dRes xelisuflebas „nacmoZraobis” agentebi hyavs. kidev erTi agenti dRes „qarTulma ocnebam” mTavari prokuroris kandidatad gamoarCia. _ ra iciT Salva Tadu- maZeze? _ axla naxeT, rasTan gvaqvs saqme: varlam xaTriZe rogor moxvda Tanamdebobaze, weRan rom movyevi, analogiuri mdgomareobaa TadumaZesTan dakav- SirebiTac. igi iseve iyo specsamsaxurebTan daaxloebuli piri da iseve ezideboda informaciebs „nacmoZraobis” specsamsaxurebSi, rogorc _ xaTriZe. erTi yalibis arian... _ Tqven mas icnobT? _ TadumaZes axlos arasdros vicnobdi, magram iribi mdgomareoba iyo aseTi, vin axerxebda, anu vin „averbovkebda” da vin svamda „qarTuli ocnebis” rigebSi agentebs? sul sami samsaxuri iyo: 1. kudi, 2. centraluri sadazvervo sammarTvelo da 3. samxedro policia... samive maTganTan samsaxurebrivi Sexeba mqonda, radgan ZaldatanebiT loebul wreebs da ase aRmoCnda TadumaZe daaxloebulad ivaniSvilis karze. es movaleoba kargad Seasrula _ imaTTanac mihqonda informaciebi, oRond amaTTan SeTanxmebiT da imaTganac mohqonda amaTTan informaciebi. anu Cven gvyavs rezidentebi, dRes „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba savsea rezidentebiT, isini arian ormagi agentebi. Tu Tavidan vinmes ukvirda 2013 wels kohabitaciis procesis dawyeba, es ar iyo kohabitacia, es iyo, ubralod, ori erTmaneTTan daaxloebuli klanis _ rezidentebis SeTanxmeba, imaT TavianTi gaiswores, xelisuflebaSi movidnen da aRar iyo xalxis motyueba saWiro, mTavaria, xelisuflebaSi iyvnen. axla Cven miviReT kidev er- Ti rezidenti, momavali mTavari prokurori, romelic, praqtikulad, am jgufis nawilia, is orive mxaris specsamsaxurebs omar jorbenaZe mentacia, gaSifron, naxon, aucileblad ipovian iq uwyisebze xelmoweras Tanxis miRebaze, anu Tu aRmoaCines, rom TadumaZes xeli aqvs mowerili an kud-is uwyisebze, an centraluri sadazvervo sammarTvelos uwyisebze, gamodis, rom rasac vambob, yvelaferi marTalia. saxelmwifo risTvis arsebobs? dainteresdes, Tu aqvs amis Zala, gaasajaroos, gamoirkves erTxel da samudamod, ramdeni agenti gvyavs xelisuflebaSi. vinaidan saxelmwifo amas ar izams, xelisuflebaSi miviReT ormagi agentebi da winaswar vambob, rom am ormagi agentis _ TadumaZis prokuroroba saerTod araferi iqneba! iqidan gamomdinare, rom kezeraSvilis Zmakaci prokurorebi gvyavda, kezeraSvilis xelisbiWi prokurorebi, SeiZleba TadumaZe ima- Tze cota ukeTesi iyos, imitom, rom, ase Tu ise, imaTi xelis biWi ar yofila, magram, yovel SemTxvevaSi, erTi qarTuli klasikuri gamoTqmaa, romelic konstantine gamsaxurdias uweria: „alani Calmazis kaciao, Calmazi _ sxvisi kaci da kacis kaci ra iqnebao?!” swored Cven gvyavs axla kacis kacebi da kidev erTi kacis kaci iqneba mTavari prokurori... Tumca mimaCnia, rom mTavari prokurorobis kandidatad Cemma wardgenam erTi dadebiTi Sedegi gamoiRo: gamoirkva, rom im 18 kandidatidan, vinc iq iyo wardgenili, arc erTs hqonda aranairi samoqmedo gegma da amas, albaT, iusticiis saministro an saprokuroro sabWo, an „qarTuli oc- 4 N23 (244) 10.07-16.07.2018 w.
nebis” xelisufleba dadasturebs imitom, rom werilobiT warvudgine, samoqmedo gegma davwere, riT unda ixelmZRvanelos mTavarma prokurorma, ra unda gaakeTos mTavari prokurorobis SemTxvevaSi. uyvars xelisuflebas sampunqtiani, oTxpunqtiani, Svidpunqtiani gegmebi, me Svidpunqtiani gegma davuwere, Sevutane werilobiT da oficialurad Cavabare, _ aha, Tqven Svidpunqtiani gegma da Tu am gegmis mixedviT ixelmZRvanelebT, vinc ar unda gaxdes (ra Tqma unda, me iluzia ar mqonia, rom mTavari prokurori gavxdebodi), Tu man eseni ar gaakeTa, e. i. isev im nagavSi da isev im reJimSi viqnebiT-meTqi!.. es Svidpunqtiani gegma Zalian martivia da advilad Sesasrulebeli. ra Tqma unda, TadumaZe amas ar izams, is iseTive morCili iqneba, rogoric misi winamorbedi mTavari prokurori. _ axla gairkva, rom mas yal- myavs mxedvelobaSi. Tqven TqviT, rom mis ojaxs icnobT da garkveuli Sexeba gqondaT Tornike riJvaZis mamasTan. _ Zalian mZime asatania is, rasac axla getyviT, winaswar viTxov RmerTisgan Sendobas, mapatios am simarTlis Tqma. ar vambob, rom es msiamovnebs, magram simarTle sinaTleao da Cven, rogorc marTlmadideblebs, migvaCnia, rom moyvares pirSi uZraxeo da me, rogorc moyvare, jer erTi, Cemi qveynis moyvaruli da meorec, im xalxis, aWarlebis moyvaruli var, visi uzenaesi sabWos mTavrobis Tavmjdomarec dRes-xval unda gaxdes Tornike riJvaZe. saswaulia, magram xelisufleba Cem irgvliv trialebs, Tornike riJvaZis bebia mamaCemis alali ZmisSvilia, didebuli qalbatoni, kargi adamiani da saukeTeso deda. magram xandaxan xdeba, rom saukeTeso adamianebsa da saukeTeso dedebsac cudi Svili gamosdiT. Cemi alali 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com ris sammarTvelos ufrosis moadgile hamlet jorbenaZe, Cemi Soreuli biZaSvili. hamletma miTxra, _ araferi, kaco, mowmed gibareben, axla ar scalia gamomZiebels, sxva dros dagibarebs da Camodio. zustad im dros Tornikes mama daviT riJvaZe aWaris kriminaluri policiis sammarTvelos ufrosis moadgile iyo, anu mTlad ufrosis moadgilis moadgile. Cemi axlobeli, ojaxis wevri, mamaCemis ZmisSvilTan dRedaRam vqeifobdiT. baTumSi anzor jorbenaZesTan aulagebeli sufra gvqonda, daTo riJvaZe CemTan iribad davalebulic iyo imitom, rom maSin, rodesac aslanas dros policieli iyo pepes-Si, aslanas wasvlis Semdeg policiidan gaagdes da didi wvaleba dagvWirda me da Cems saxlikacs, maSindel aWaris policiis sammarTvelos ufros papuaSvilTan, rom daTo riJvaZe da misi deidaSvili enver melaZe policiaSi damebrunebina da rom biZaSvilis Svili gagikeTebs, realurad ra unda gindodes misgan? magram me Tornikes am wuTSi ver Sevexebi, imitom, rom Tornike isea gazrdili, rom damoukideblad, Tavisi SromiTa da codniT miaRwia yvelafers, Tumca erTi ramea saeWvo, romelic mawuxebs, Zalian axalgazrdaa Tornike, 29 wlis. aseTi axalgazrda kaci, romelic sxva Rirebulebebze unda fiqrobdes, samSobloze, mis momavalze, warmoidgineT, ra begraundi aqvs, aWaris uzenaesi sabWos Tavmjdomared modis. iyo im eleqtrosistemebisa da im eleqtrosadgurebis menejeri, romelmac SeiZleba daaqcios zemo aWara, anu risi direqtori iyo, kargad rom gaigos sazogadoebam. xuloSi udidesi gvirabi aaSenes, mTeli mTa gaburRes, daaxloebiT 3-kilometrnaxevriani gvirabi gaakeTes da mTlianad gamoTxares ori soflis Ziri, wyali sadac daagubes, romelsac veranairi rnike riJvaZis xelmZRvanelobiT... anu Cven axla gveyoleba aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare, romelmac zemo aWaraSi, Tavisive raionSi, igi aris vaSlovnidan, misi babua didebuli kaci iyo, Zalian kargi da mSromeli adamiani, Cveulebrivi xelosani iyo, saxlebs aremontebda, uwesieresi kaci da Tornikeze vTqvi, meSinia-meTqi imitom, rom am patara biWs, romelmac ganaTleba ki miiRo didebuli sazRvargareT, magram aseT patara asakSi gaakeTebines ori ise- Ti raRaca, romelmac SeiZleba aWara daRupos, romelime maTgani rom Camoiqces da am dagubebulma wyalma gasavali naxos, mTlian qedas waiRebs, es raioni pirdapir mdinaris pirzea. 36 sofels waiRebs, romelic xulodan xelvaCauramde datboravs mTlianad xelvaCaurs da mTel baTums waiRebs. vimeoreb: aq laparakia ramdenime milion tona wyalze da es gaakeTebines Tornike riJvaZes. kargia aWaris levan murusiZe vasil mSvenieraZe bi diplomi aqvs da iuridiu- li ganaTlebac ki ar gaaCnia... _ ar vici, ramdenad yalbi aqvs diplomi TadumaZes, radgan ar minaxavs. verc uarvyof da verc davadastureb, magram Cven dRes sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi gvyavs mosamarTleebi, aTi wlis vadiT daniSnuli da zogierTi uvadod daniSnulic ki, romlebsac im institutebis diplomebi aqvT, akreditacia rom ar hqondaT arc maSin da arc mas Semdeg... axla vacxadeb: plexanovze iyo erTi aseTi damoukidebeli instituti „iberia”, amoiRon sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi visac aqvs „iberiis” diplomebi, aseTs 9 mosamar- Tles vicnob. es „iberia” arasdros yofila saxelmwifos mier akreditebuli instituti, iyo, ase vTqvaT, kerZo skola, sadac, praqtikulad, leqciebi ar tardeboda da diplomebs fulis sanacvlod aZlevdnen! ai, aseTi mosamarTleebi gvyavs! udiplomo prokuroric rom gvyavdes, ra problemaa!.. _ zurab, „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi kidev erTi cvlileba mzaddeba. aWaris uzenaesi sabWos Tavmjdomare biZaSvilis Svili _ daTo riJvaZe, amJamad xelvaCauris policiis sammarTvelos ufrosia. Tu daTo riJvaZes SerCenili aqvs adamianoba, sircxviliT unda imalebodes imis gamo, rom Cem mimarT iseTi sibinZure aqvs warsulSi Cadenili, romelsac nebismieri adamiani mZimed mohkiTxavda mas, magram me mimtevebeli da RvTis moSiSi kaci var, ar momikiTxavs misTvis es sibinZure. saqme exeba imas, rom 2010 wels, rodesac Cems dapatimrebas gayalbebuli dokumentebiT apirebdnen, yalbi oqmebi Seqmnes, saqmeSi Cayares, iyo aseTi gamomZiebeli rodinaZe, romelsac davalebuli hqonda, imitacia Seeqmna, rom me gamoZiebas vemalebodi da am imitaciis SeqmnaSi monawileobda daTo riJvaZec. axla getyviT, rogor monawileobda am imitaciis SeqmnaSi: imisTvis, rom moqalaqe Zebnilad gamoacxado, unda Seqmna oqmebi, viTom Sen mas ibareb da is ar cxaddeba. realurad me mxolod erTxel Cambarda uwyeba, rom mowmis saxiT viyavi dabarebuli da rogorc kanonmorCili adamiani, Cavedi baTumSi, vnaxe maSin aWa- maRal Tanamdebobaze dameniSna. ki batono, RmerTma Seargos, davexmare, magram samagiero kargad gadamixada. rodesac oqmebi dgeboda, TiTqos me saxlSi makiTxavda policia da vimalebodi, erT-erT oqms xels awers daTo riJvaZe, damswre pirad awers xels. warmoidgineT, biZaSvilis Svils aseTi ra- Raca rogor unda daabralo da Semdeg es rom tyuilad ar damebralebina, vkiTxe kidec, _ daviT, aWaris policiis sammarTveloSi vinme daTo riJvaZe sxva aris-meTqi? _ arao, _ miTxra. _ aba, oqmze Seni xelmowera arismeTqi?! TiTqos momakiTxes saxlSi da im dros, rodesac Cems saxls policia arbevda da awiokebda, ori saxli maqvs TbilisSi da specialurad im saxls arbevdnen, romelSic ar viyavi. ra valdebuli var, im saxlSi mivide, minda, erTSi davrCebi da minda _ meoreSi. radgan mismendnen da miTvalTvalebdnen, im dRes im saxlSi ar viyavi, mividnen, daarbies, daawiokes da oqmi Seadgines, rom saxlSi ar viyavi. saxlSi rogor viqnebodi, meore saxlSi viyavi... da xels awers daTo riJvaZe. amas damba ver gaaCerebs, veranairi rkina-betonis konstruqcia ver gaaCerebs. aWaraSi asafeTqeblad Cadebuli bombi gvaqvs. Tu Wuberis movlenebs gadavxedavT, zemo aWaraSi or adgilas aris Cadebuli iseTi bombi, _ xuloSi, sofel RurtaSi, romeli mTac orjer aris Camoqceuli _ erTxel 1965 wels da meored 1972 wels, am mTam orjer damarxa mTeli sofeli da swored mas gamouTxares Ziri, iq daagubes daaxloebiT ramdenime milioni tona wyali, Tan es mniSvnelovani imiT aris, rom es mTa da didaWaris mTa, sadac andria pirvelwodebulis uZvelesi, pirveli saukunis eklesia iyo, momijnavea, am mTis garRvevam SeiZleba udidesi tragedia gamoiwvios, es ramdenimemilioniani wyali daiZreba da aWaris xeobaSi Caivlis. zustad aseTive damba da zustad ase- Tive ramdenime milioni tona wyalia dagubebuli SuaxevSi _ „SuaxevhesSi”, aqac analogiuri mdgomareobaa, am uSvelebel mTebs gamouTxares Ziri. _ da es yvelaferi Tornike riJvaZem gaakeTa? _ es yvelaferi gakeTda To- mTavrobis Tavmjdomareoba, RmerTma xeli moumarTos, RmerTma kargad amyofos da warmatebebs vusurveb, magram Tu is ori kaSxali gaskda an erTerTi maTgani gaskda, aWarisgan araferi dagvrCeba... ra vici, Tu aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare gaxda da ufro meti finansuri SesaZleblobebi eqna, RmerTma xeli moumarTos, or rames vurCevdi Cems naTesavs: 1. saswrafod gamoyos Tanxebi da es ori sagubari ise gaamagros, rom iqneb, ramdenime weliwadi mainc, sanam aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare iqneba, mTeli mTebi ar Camoiqces da wyalma ar waiRos. rad unda iseTi Tavmjdomareoba, Tu wyali waiRebs; 2. aWaraSi yvelaze didi tragedia aris Turqebis momravleba. ar vici, TviTon rogor uyurebs am saqmes, magram 80 aTasi Turqia aWaraSi da rogorme iseTi saxelmwifoebrivi politika gaataros, rom Cemi winaprebis miwa Turqebs ar Caabaros, rogorme Turqebis parpaSs lagami amosdos. Tu am or raRacas ver Seasrulebs, ra unda Tavmjdomared?! fuli, manqana da keTildReoba isedac aqvs!.. N23 (244) 10.07-16.07.2018 w. 5
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