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M - Antennae The Journal of Nature in Visual Culture

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<strong>The</strong> fem<strong>in</strong>ist challenge to patriarchal modes <strong>of</strong> the early<br />

1970s occurred <strong>in</strong> tandem with environmentalist<br />

critiques <strong>of</strong> <strong>in</strong>dustrial civilization, and the post-colonial<br />

question<strong>in</strong>g <strong>of</strong> Western dom<strong>in</strong>ation. With<strong>in</strong><br />

contemporary art, susta<strong>in</strong>ability is also an issue for artists<br />

deal<strong>in</strong>g primarily with gender, although there is no<br />

automatic l<strong>in</strong>k between the two fields.<br />

Guattari's focus <strong>in</strong> <strong>The</strong> Three Ecologies is his<br />

conception <strong>of</strong> "ecosophy" - the three related<br />

ecologies <strong>of</strong> environmental, mental and social<br />

worlds and their amalgamation <strong>in</strong>to a<br />

methodological practice. Guattari's argument is<br />

that we have an erroneous conception <strong>of</strong> ecology,<br />

<strong>of</strong> environmental struggle, and that only by<br />

broaden<strong>in</strong>g our views to <strong>in</strong>clude the three<br />

ecologies will we be able to affect any endur<strong>in</strong>g<br />

changes <strong>in</strong> our social/cultural/natural<br />

environment. How relevant or <strong>in</strong>fluential do you<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k Guattari’s theorisation <strong>of</strong> ‘Three Ecology’<br />

has been, and how has it shaped methodological<br />

practice?<br />

Guattari’s Three Ecologies is <strong>of</strong> cont<strong>in</strong>u<strong>in</strong>g relevance,<br />

twenty years on from its first publication, for his <strong>in</strong>sight <strong>in</strong><br />

br<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>g out the ‘third dimension’ <strong>of</strong> mental ecology or<br />

human subjectivities. This is valuable <strong>in</strong> terms <strong>of</strong> art and<br />

susta<strong>in</strong>ability <strong>in</strong> that it creates a space for artistic creativity<br />

as an ‘antidote to mental pollution.’<br />

Do you agree that the post-Marxist views that<br />

were expressed by Guattari and others have fed<br />

<strong>in</strong>to the constructionist perspectives that now<br />

pervades animal studies and other discipl<strong>in</strong>es <strong>in</strong><br />

the humanities? Do you th<strong>in</strong>k its time for animal<br />

studies and the animal movement more generally<br />

to recognise its roots may <strong>in</strong> fact be <strong>in</strong><br />

environmentalism and not <strong>in</strong> such Marxist, post-<br />

Marxist or even humanist ideology, given that<br />

such critiques are replete with images <strong>of</strong><br />

nonhuman animals be<strong>in</strong>g used solely as human<br />

economic devices; that, <strong>in</strong> such views, an animal’s<br />

unique animality, and thereby our humanity<br />

with<strong>in</strong> that animality, is be<strong>in</strong>g denied. Surely, <strong>in</strong><br />

deny<strong>in</strong>g animality, the Cartesian view <strong>of</strong><br />

nonhuman animals as mach<strong>in</strong>es is not assuaged<br />

by such ponder<strong>in</strong>gs, but affirmed?<br />

With<strong>in</strong> susta<strong>in</strong>ability and <strong>in</strong> terms <strong>of</strong> artistic attitudes<br />

towards animals, an <strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>g example is Ivan Ladislav<br />

Galeta’s series <strong>of</strong> Garden Scenes films, <strong>in</strong> which he works<br />

<strong>in</strong> the garden with one hand on a spade, and the other<br />

hold<strong>in</strong>g his camera. Chickens walk about, peck<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> the<br />

soil, <strong>in</strong> and out <strong>of</strong> camera, but they are not<br />

<strong>in</strong>strumentalised by his gaze or made to play a role <strong>in</strong> the<br />

film, show<strong>in</strong>g the artist’s conscious desire to avoid any<br />

sense <strong>of</strong> physical or symbolic exploitation <strong>of</strong> animals <strong>in</strong><br />

his work. He has a similar attitude to plant life. More<br />

generally though, there have been attempts to identify an<br />

ecological dimension <strong>in</strong> Marxist thought.<br />

23<br />

How has the cont<strong>in</strong>ued human impact on the<br />

planet, such as by climate change or pollution,<br />

<strong>in</strong>formed your work over the years? And, has the<br />

established art <strong>of</strong> environmental despoliation and<br />

pollution <strong>in</strong>fluenced your curatorial work, such as<br />

the works <strong>of</strong> the American, Steve Sack?<br />

<strong>The</strong> recent <strong>in</strong>crease <strong>in</strong> public discourse about climate<br />

change is becom<strong>in</strong>g a subject <strong>of</strong> <strong>in</strong>terest <strong>in</strong> its own right,<br />

and heightens our awareness <strong>of</strong> the cont<strong>in</strong>u<strong>in</strong>g tension<br />

between technological and more holistic approaches to<br />

ecology.<br />

Could you choose three works by different artists<br />

who <strong>in</strong> your op<strong>in</strong>ion are address<strong>in</strong>g susta<strong>in</strong>ability<br />

and environmental concerns <strong>in</strong> effective and<br />

diverse ways?<br />

Artists whose work we have featured <strong>in</strong> our writ<strong>in</strong>gs,<br />

exhibitions and the symposia all deal with susta<strong>in</strong>ability <strong>in</strong><br />

one form or another, and many have <strong>in</strong>formative<br />

websites. Austrian artist Oliver Ressler has numerous<br />

<strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>g projects <strong>in</strong> this respect, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g the film<br />

What would it mean to w<strong>in</strong>? (2008). Heath Bunt<strong>in</strong>g from<br />

Bristol’s work <strong>in</strong> genetic art, sport art and general<br />

autonomous attitude connects with susta<strong>in</strong>ability <strong>in</strong> many<br />

ways. Hungarian artist Beata Veszely’s work on horse<br />

archery and exploration <strong>of</strong> the figure <strong>of</strong> the artist <strong>in</strong> the<br />

landscape also says a lot about the social and<br />

psychological dimensions <strong>of</strong> susta<strong>in</strong>ability.<br />

What is the future <strong>of</strong> Environmental and<br />

Susta<strong>in</strong>able Art?<br />

Artists genu<strong>in</strong>ely <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> susta<strong>in</strong>ability will<br />

<strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>gly have to def<strong>in</strong>e themselves <strong>in</strong> relation to the<br />

problem <strong>of</strong> greenwash with<strong>in</strong> society and also <strong>in</strong> the art<br />

scene, a phenomenon which is on the <strong>in</strong>crease as the<br />

system seeks to appropriate the ecological critique for its<br />

own purposes.<br />

As curators, can you provide some idea as to how<br />

art has been <strong>in</strong>fluential or can be more effective<br />

<strong>in</strong> mak<strong>in</strong>g people more environmentally aware?<br />

Should it?<br />

We do not envisage art to have utility. As soon as art is<br />

seen <strong>in</strong> this way it is connected to the art market and<br />

we’re back <strong>in</strong>to the capitalist, market-driven, growth<br />

model <strong>of</strong> production. If the utility <strong>of</strong> art is understood as<br />

a vehicle for advocat<strong>in</strong>g social changes or rais<strong>in</strong>g<br />

environmental consciousness we come to the problem<br />

<strong>of</strong> art as propaganda, which can also be<br />

counterproductive, as it underm<strong>in</strong>es the subversive<br />

potential <strong>of</strong> artistic autonomy.<br />

What are currently work<strong>in</strong>g on?<br />

Our current project on the Ecological Footpr<strong>in</strong>t <strong>of</strong><br />

Contemporary Art is conceived as a broad-based

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