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that. He said that he would have loved<br />

to have been closer to us but he never<br />

got the opportunity to because of his<br />

and my father’s relationship.<br />

I just said ‘thanks Pop’. You know,<br />

I’d love to be able to share that stuff<br />

with my dad. I’ll always live with a hope<br />

that someday it may happen but one of<br />

the things I’ve also become aware of is<br />

that through that negative relationship<br />

with dad, I have to keep working really<br />

hard on my own, so that I maintain that<br />

positive connection I have with my boys<br />

today. You know, we do lots of cuddling,<br />

lots of talking. Even tonight, you know,<br />

I had a little bit of a spin at home. My<br />

eldest fella actually challenged me about<br />

it. He said, ‘You shouldn’t bring your<br />

attitude home from work when you’re<br />

stressed and take it out on mum, and<br />

take it out on us.’ Anyway we had a bit<br />

of a blow-up but we’ve got a meeting<br />

planned for tonight so that mum and<br />

me and the two boys can talk. I never<br />

experienced anything like that growing<br />

up as a young fella, although I used to<br />

talk with my mum a lot about her living<br />

with the violence, and that sort of thing,<br />

and why we had to keep going down<br />

this track.<br />

I always had a dream or an expectation<br />

that there’s got to be more to life<br />

than this. You know I always say that<br />

what happened to me as a little fella, I’m<br />

pretty sure that we’re not just put on this<br />

earth to just keep hurting one another<br />

and keep feeling hurt, you know, and<br />

sadness. I’m pretty sure that’s not what<br />

life’s about. There’s got to be more to life<br />

than this. Today I’m lucky that I’ve been<br />

able to work through my stuff and find<br />

out what that actually is.<br />

I am the co-ordinator of the Rekindling<br />

the Spirit Program (a Lismore, NSW,<br />

based program set up by the Aboriginal<br />

community). I like to feel that we have<br />

good and bad spirits within us all. What<br />

we try to work with is to bring the good<br />

spirit to the forefront, and if we can help<br />

that happen, everyone that comes into<br />

contact with you wants to be around<br />

you, wants to warm to you, especially<br />

your children.<br />

When we work with men, sometimes<br />

we’ll take them back to their childhood<br />

and start to get them to identify their<br />

feelings and emotions that were happening<br />

for them as a young person. It takes<br />

time because whether they’re black men,<br />

white men, yellow men, it doesn’t really<br />

matter, you ask them how they are and<br />

most of them will say ‘good’. And then I<br />

say, ‘Well good’s not a feeling. What are<br />

you actually feeling right now?’ They<br />

say, ‘You know, I’m okay.’ I say, ‘Okay is<br />

not a feeling.’ And then they say, ‘Stuff<br />

you, Greg, I don’t know!’ I say to them<br />

we need to start to identify that we’ve all<br />

been sad, we’ve all been glad, we’ve all<br />

been mad, we’ve all been angry, we’ve<br />

all hurt.<br />

What I talk to them about is if you<br />

don’t like your life and where you’re<br />

going at the moment, and you don’t<br />

want your children to go down that<br />

same track, maybe you need to be looking<br />

at changing your behaviour, because<br />

what our kids see is what our kids will<br />

be.<br />

I talk about how if they’re [the children]<br />

watching violence, there’s a good<br />

... if you don’t like<br />

your life and where<br />

you’re going at the<br />

moment, and you<br />

don’t want your<br />

children to go down<br />

that same track,<br />

maybe you need to<br />

be looking at<br />

changing your<br />

behaviour, because<br />

what our kids see<br />

is what our kids<br />

will be.<br />

chance they’re going to turn out violent.<br />

And if they’re watching substance<br />

abuse, there’s a chance they’re going to<br />

abuse substances, if they’re looking at<br />

really negative role modelling as far as<br />

parenting there’s a good chance they’re<br />

going to turn out shitty parents. So if<br />

we want good kids to happen we’ve<br />

all got to be aware of what we’re doing<br />

because we can blame all of the systems<br />

out there, but when it comes down to<br />

it we’re the first educators and what<br />

comes out of our homes is what’s happening<br />

in our homes.<br />

It could apply to anybody, but for us,<br />

as black people within this country, we<br />

have a bigger issue to tackle with trying<br />

to get accepted within the dominant<br />

culture. To do that, sometimes we’ve<br />

got to be aware of our own behaviours<br />

and how we can play into the game of<br />

discrimination by giving people ammunition<br />

to throw shit at us. We can blame<br />

colonisation, we can blame growing up<br />

in negative lifestyles, but while we continue<br />

to blame, we don’t have to look at<br />

ourselves and our behaviour.<br />

One of the things I talk to the guys<br />

about is we can make up nice glossy certificates<br />

that say I completed this course.<br />

But for me the benefits come when your<br />

kids reach up to you, they cuddle you<br />

and want to be around you. Having<br />

your children cuddle into you while<br />

they’re beside you, then going to sleep,<br />

they’re just like little snugly koalas on<br />

either side of you.<br />

I shared that in a men’s group one<br />

day and I wasn’t aware that one of the<br />

guys there hadn’t been out of jail long.<br />

He came in the next week and he said,<br />

‘Greg, you know how you talked about<br />

your kids snuggling in to you either side<br />

of you and how it’s such a nice feeling?<br />

Well I tried that, and I never had a feeling<br />

like that.’ The tears started rolling<br />

down my face.<br />

That’s why we keep encouraging<br />

one another. Because I think of that guy,<br />

you know, his dad died when he was<br />

quite young. Although he had uncles<br />

that took up a bit of that fathering for<br />

him, you know, this poor fella now, he<br />

shouldn’t have been removed from their<br />

care. But having that experience with<br />

his kids, just for that little moment, and<br />

for those children to have that moment<br />

with their dad — they’re memories that<br />

they’ll never forget. And they may never<br />

have got the opportunity to feel that.<br />

That’s really hard.<br />

It’s taken us 214 years to get here.<br />

If we think we’re going to undo what’s<br />

been done in a short time frame, you<br />

know, we’re just talking shit to ourselves.<br />

Because it’s going to take a long time to<br />

undo what’s been done. And then to get<br />

people to come on board and look at<br />

how government has played roles within<br />

the breakdown of our culture.<br />

And we can look at them and keep<br />

blaming and keep blaming, but, you<br />

know, while we do that, we’re victimising<br />

ourselves more and more too. We’ve<br />

really got to step out of that and start<br />

encouraging one another, you know, to<br />

take on that role modelling to one another<br />

about how to be better fathers.<br />

With our mob, I’m really hungry to<br />

see what can happen when you change<br />

your life around. Because I watch what<br />

comes out of homes today, and I talk<br />

about it in our men’s groups, how when<br />

kids are loved and they’re supported<br />

and they’re encouraged, it just blows<br />

me away what they achieve. And for<br />

me, at times I get a bit sad and I think<br />

if we were loved… but we didn’t get a<br />

lot of support and we didn’t get a lot of<br />

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