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that. He said that he would have loved<br />
to have been closer to us but he never<br />
got the opportunity to because of his<br />
and my father’s relationship.<br />
I just said ‘thanks Pop’. You know,<br />
I’d love to be able to share that stuff<br />
with my dad. I’ll always live with a hope<br />
that someday it may happen but one of<br />
the things I’ve also become aware of is<br />
that through that negative relationship<br />
with dad, I have to keep working really<br />
hard on my own, so that I maintain that<br />
positive connection I have with my boys<br />
today. You know, we do lots of cuddling,<br />
lots of talking. Even tonight, you know,<br />
I had a little bit of a spin at home. My<br />
eldest fella actually challenged me about<br />
it. He said, ‘You shouldn’t bring your<br />
attitude home from work when you’re<br />
stressed and take it out on mum, and<br />
take it out on us.’ Anyway we had a bit<br />
of a blow-up but we’ve got a meeting<br />
planned for tonight so that mum and<br />
me and the two boys can talk. I never<br />
experienced anything like that growing<br />
up as a young fella, although I used to<br />
talk with my mum a lot about her living<br />
with the violence, and that sort of thing,<br />
and why we had to keep going down<br />
this track.<br />
I always had a dream or an expectation<br />
that there’s got to be more to life<br />
than this. You know I always say that<br />
what happened to me as a little fella, I’m<br />
pretty sure that we’re not just put on this<br />
earth to just keep hurting one another<br />
and keep feeling hurt, you know, and<br />
sadness. I’m pretty sure that’s not what<br />
life’s about. There’s got to be more to life<br />
than this. Today I’m lucky that I’ve been<br />
able to work through my stuff and find<br />
out what that actually is.<br />
I am the co-ordinator of the Rekindling<br />
the Spirit Program (a Lismore, NSW,<br />
based program set up by the Aboriginal<br />
community). I like to feel that we have<br />
good and bad spirits within us all. What<br />
we try to work with is to bring the good<br />
spirit to the forefront, and if we can help<br />
that happen, everyone that comes into<br />
contact with you wants to be around<br />
you, wants to warm to you, especially<br />
your children.<br />
When we work with men, sometimes<br />
we’ll take them back to their childhood<br />
and start to get them to identify their<br />
feelings and emotions that were happening<br />
for them as a young person. It takes<br />
time because whether they’re black men,<br />
white men, yellow men, it doesn’t really<br />
matter, you ask them how they are and<br />
most of them will say ‘good’. And then I<br />
say, ‘Well good’s not a feeling. What are<br />
you actually feeling right now?’ They<br />
say, ‘You know, I’m okay.’ I say, ‘Okay is<br />
not a feeling.’ And then they say, ‘Stuff<br />
you, Greg, I don’t know!’ I say to them<br />
we need to start to identify that we’ve all<br />
been sad, we’ve all been glad, we’ve all<br />
been mad, we’ve all been angry, we’ve<br />
all hurt.<br />
What I talk to them about is if you<br />
don’t like your life and where you’re<br />
going at the moment, and you don’t<br />
want your children to go down that<br />
same track, maybe you need to be looking<br />
at changing your behaviour, because<br />
what our kids see is what our kids will<br />
be.<br />
I talk about how if they’re [the children]<br />
watching violence, there’s a good<br />
... if you don’t like<br />
your life and where<br />
you’re going at the<br />
moment, and you<br />
don’t want your<br />
children to go down<br />
that same track,<br />
maybe you need to<br />
be looking at<br />
changing your<br />
behaviour, because<br />
what our kids see<br />
is what our kids<br />
will be.<br />
chance they’re going to turn out violent.<br />
And if they’re watching substance<br />
abuse, there’s a chance they’re going to<br />
abuse substances, if they’re looking at<br />
really negative role modelling as far as<br />
parenting there’s a good chance they’re<br />
going to turn out shitty parents. So if<br />
we want good kids to happen we’ve<br />
all got to be aware of what we’re doing<br />
because we can blame all of the systems<br />
out there, but when it comes down to<br />
it we’re the first educators and what<br />
comes out of our homes is what’s happening<br />
in our homes.<br />
It could apply to anybody, but for us,<br />
as black people within this country, we<br />
have a bigger issue to tackle with trying<br />
to get accepted within the dominant<br />
culture. To do that, sometimes we’ve<br />
got to be aware of our own behaviours<br />
and how we can play into the game of<br />
discrimination by giving people ammunition<br />
to throw shit at us. We can blame<br />
colonisation, we can blame growing up<br />
in negative lifestyles, but while we continue<br />
to blame, we don’t have to look at<br />
ourselves and our behaviour.<br />
One of the things I talk to the guys<br />
about is we can make up nice glossy certificates<br />
that say I completed this course.<br />
But for me the benefits come when your<br />
kids reach up to you, they cuddle you<br />
and want to be around you. Having<br />
your children cuddle into you while<br />
they’re beside you, then going to sleep,<br />
they’re just like little snugly koalas on<br />
either side of you.<br />
I shared that in a men’s group one<br />
day and I wasn’t aware that one of the<br />
guys there hadn’t been out of jail long.<br />
He came in the next week and he said,<br />
‘Greg, you know how you talked about<br />
your kids snuggling in to you either side<br />
of you and how it’s such a nice feeling?<br />
Well I tried that, and I never had a feeling<br />
like that.’ The tears started rolling<br />
down my face.<br />
That’s why we keep encouraging<br />
one another. Because I think of that guy,<br />
you know, his dad died when he was<br />
quite young. Although he had uncles<br />
that took up a bit of that fathering for<br />
him, you know, this poor fella now, he<br />
shouldn’t have been removed from their<br />
care. But having that experience with<br />
his kids, just for that little moment, and<br />
for those children to have that moment<br />
with their dad — they’re memories that<br />
they’ll never forget. And they may never<br />
have got the opportunity to feel that.<br />
That’s really hard.<br />
It’s taken us 214 years to get here.<br />
If we think we’re going to undo what’s<br />
been done in a short time frame, you<br />
know, we’re just talking shit to ourselves.<br />
Because it’s going to take a long time to<br />
undo what’s been done. And then to get<br />
people to come on board and look at<br />
how government has played roles within<br />
the breakdown of our culture.<br />
And we can look at them and keep<br />
blaming and keep blaming, but, you<br />
know, while we do that, we’re victimising<br />
ourselves more and more too. We’ve<br />
really got to step out of that and start<br />
encouraging one another, you know, to<br />
take on that role modelling to one another<br />
about how to be better fathers.<br />
With our mob, I’m really hungry to<br />
see what can happen when you change<br />
your life around. Because I watch what<br />
comes out of homes today, and I talk<br />
about it in our men’s groups, how when<br />
kids are loved and they’re supported<br />
and they’re encouraged, it just blows<br />
me away what they achieve. And for<br />
me, at times I get a bit sad and I think<br />
if we were loved… but we didn’t get a<br />
lot of support and we didn’t get a lot of<br />
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