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vin ufro prorusulia _

gaxaria Tu RaribaSvili? ra

davaleba miiRo grigol vaSa-

Zem moskovidan? risgan ixsna

saqarTvelo keli degnanma? ra

problemebi SeeqmnebaT „oc-

nebasa” da saakaSvils baidenis

gamo? _ am Temebis Sesaxeb mir-

ian mirianaSvili „qronika+”-s

esaubreba:

_ sazogadoebis did nawils

sjeroda, rom dasavleTis

CarTulobiT gamarTuli molaparakebebi

umravlesobaopozicias

Soris Sedegs gam-

oiRebda. Tqven ra molodini

gqondaT?

_ aranair Sedegs ar velodi

da amisTvis sakmarisi argumentebic

mqonda. dasavleTidan da

ruseTidan wamosuli dakveTebi

erTmaneTisgan radikalurad

gansxvavdeba. Cvens politikur

speqtrs moskovi destabilizacias

ukveTs, dasavleTs ki unda,

rom saqarTveloSi simSvide

iyos. arCevnebis Semdeg „qronika+”-sTan

interviuSi vTqvi,

rom saqarTveloSi revolucia

mzaddeboda. es scenari amerikelebma

CaSales, rac ar yofila

spontanuri gadawyvetileba.

amerika amisTvis karga xniT

adre emzadeboda. da Zalian kargia,

rom isini amisTvis mzad

iyvnen. vaSingtoni rom ara, axla

saqarTveloSi qaosi iqneboda.

_ didi xniT adre ratom

emzadebodnen? winaswar said-

an icodnen, rom aq movlenebi

revoluciuri scenariT unda

ganviTarebuliyo? iqneb, opozicia

imarjvebda arCevneb-

Si? arsebobda ki saerTod es

revoluciuri scenari?

_ sakmaod seriozuli revoluciuri

scenari arsebobda.

da amis Sesaxeb vaSingtoni

arCevnebamde iyo informirebuli.

saparlamento arCevnebis

safarqveS rom farTomasStabiani

revolucia mzaddeboda,

amas xvdeboda yvela, visac

politteqnologiebis rame gaegeba.

mosalodneli revoluciis

Sesaxeb amerikelebs konkretuli

informaciebic hqondaT.

es sakmaod sajaro moxmarebis

produqti iyo. amerikelebma

Tavidanve gadawyvites, rom saqarTveloSi

revoluciuri scenaris

legitimacias ar Seuwyobdnen

xels. vaSingtonSi Zalian

kargad icodnen, ra Sedegebi

mohyveboda revolucias da

vin iyo misi avtori.

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`saakaSvilma partia ivaniSvilis

„qarTul ocnebasa” da opozi-

Sorena marsagiSvili

cias Soris gamarTuli molapar-

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akebebi rom uSedego iqneboda,

amaSi bevri iyo darwmunebuli.

erT-erTi maTgani, visac molaparakebebis ar sjeroda, mirian

mirianaSvili gaxldaT. „nacionaluri moZraobis” damfuZnebe-

li miiCnevs, rom amerikam saqarTveloSi revolucia CaSala

da amiT Cvens qveyanas areuloba aacila Tavidan. misive TqmiT,

opoziciis ukan kremlis aCrdili moCans. moskovis mimarT

gulgrili arc xelisuflebaa. mirianaSvili darwmunebulia,

rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebas baidenis lanZRvis gamo auci-

leblad mosTxovs vaSingtoni pasuxs.

sabednierod, saqarTveloSi

revolucia CaiSala, magram opozicia

parlamentSi veRar Sedis,

rom kanonSemoqmedebiTi

samuSaoebi ganaxorcielos. xazgasmiT

vambob, rom isini parlamentSi

ver Sedian.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom ver

Sedian? iqneb, ar Sedian?

_ Sesvla undaT, magram ver

Sedian. imitom ver Sedian, rom

im xalxs, vinc am marionetebs

marTavda, Tvisobrivad sxva

gegmebi aqvs, vidre evropasa da

amerikas. maT surT, rom saqar-

Tvelo permanentulad destabilizaciis

reJimSi iyos. revolucia

imisTvis ar iyo navaraudevi,

rom miSa saakaSvili da

„nacmoZraoba” mosuliyvnen xelisuflebaSi.

revolucia unda

momxdariyo imitom, rom saqar-

TveloSi yofiliyo qaosi. ruseTs

ar awyobs Cvens qveyanaSi

simSvide da stabiluroba. Cven

axla imis Sedegebs vimkiT, rac

gasuli wlis noemberSi arCevnebis

Semdeg davTeseT.

dRes rom saqarTveloSi qaosi

ar aris, es amerikis elCis

damsaxurebaa. keli degnanma

yvelaferi gaakeTa, rom saqar-

TveloSi revoluciis legitimacia

ar daSvebuliyo. movlenebi

rusuli gegmis mixedviT

rom ganviTarebuliyo, axla saqarTvelo

srul qaosSi iqneboda.

_ Tqven TqviT, amerikelebma

icodnen, aq rom revolucia

igegmeboda da mis CasaSlelad

emzadebodneno. rusebma, romlebic,

Tqveni TqmiT, revol-

uciis ukan idgnen, ar icodnen,

rom vaSingtoni maTi gegmebis

CaSlas apirebda? an ar ivaraudes

mainc, rom TeTri saxli

maTi scenaris CaSlas Se-

ecdeboda?

_ ruseTis dazvreva kargad

muSaobs. moskovma mSvenivrad

icoda, rom vaSingtoni revoluciis

legitimacias ar

dauSvebda. amis miuxedavad, ar

gaCerdnen da rogorc ityvian

xolme, gazs fexi miaWires. amboben,

maT donald trampTan

hqondaT komunikacia da Ti-

Tqos iyo kidevac SeTanxmeba,

rom saqarTveloSi dRes imis

sapirispiro viTareba unda yofiliyo,

vidre dRes aris.

_ trampi saqarTveloSi rev-

oluciis momxre iyo?

_ ase xelaRebiT amis Tqma ar

SeiZleba. trampi prezidentad

rom aerCiaT, vaSingtons Sesa-

mirian

mirianaSvili:

`grigol vaSaZe

`nacmoZraobis~

Tavmjdomareobidan

ruseTis brZanebiT

gadadga~

Zloa, aq revoluciis legitimaciisTvis

daeWira mxari. rogorc

ukve aRvniSne, aris informacia,

rom rusebs am Temaze

trampis garemocvasTan raRac

komunikacia hqondaT. amerikam

prezidentad jo baideni air-

Cia. moskovis erT-erTi koziri

gaiWra da axla gvaqvs dRevandeli

mocemuloba.

es sakmaod Rrma procesia da

amaze ase martivad ver visaubrebT.

am ambavs erTi kargi Sedegic

mohyva: Cveni politikuri

partiebi cota azrze movidnen.

isini acnobiereben, rom msoflioSi

ZalTa balansi Seicvala

da ruseTi aRar aris is, rac

iyo adre. imasac kargad xvdebian,

rom saqarTvelos mimarT

aSS-is interesebi Zalian maRalia.

maT procesSi CarTes evropa.

Cvenma politikosebma Tavis

momavals gadaxedes, romelic

rusebis gamarjvebis pirobebSi

garantirebuli hqondaT.

_ konkretulad, ra hqondaT

garantirebuli?

_ komfortuli cxovreba da

fsevdopolitikuri saqmianoba.

am procesebSi CarTuli qarTveli

politikosebisTvis mTavari

axla parlamentSi Sesvla

ar gaxlavT. maT surT, rom warsulidan

momavalSi bileTi

miiRon. am bileTis gamomweri

ki mxolod amerikis saelCoa.

axla eseni yvelafers akeTeben

imisTvis, rom rusebis TvalSi

alibi Seiqmnan.

_ ra alibze saubrobT? vin

unda Seuqmnas maT es alibi?

_ didi survili aqvT, rom

alibis SeqmnaSi dasavleTi daexmaros.

sanam am procesebSi monawile

opozicia dasavleTidan

ar miiRebs ultimatums, isini

parlamentSi ruseTis SiSiT

ver Sevlen. ramdenadac CemTvis

aris cnobili, rigi opozicionerebi

dasavleTs kuluarulad

sTxoven, ruseTis dasanaxad

ultimatumi wamogviyeneT,

sxvanairad parlamentSi ver

`dRes rom saqarTveloSi qaosi ar aris, es

amerikis elCis damsaxurebaa. keli degnanma

yvelaferi gaakeTa, rom saqarTveloSi

revoluciis legitimacia ar daSvebuliyo.

movlenebi rusuli gegmis mixedviT rom

ganviTarebuliyo, axla saqarTvelo srul

qaosSi iqneboda~

SevdivarTo. dasavleTi ultimatumis

wayenebaze uars ambobs.

amiT, cota ar iyos, xelisuflebac

gakvirvebulia.

_ „qarTul ocnebas” raRa

akvirvebs?

_ dasavleTi aseTi doziT

aris CarTuli mxareebs Soris

molaparakebebSi, magram maTi

mxridan wamosul SeTavazebebs

ultimatumis saxe ar aqvs. isini

mxolod rekomendaciebs iZlevian.

dasavleTi ultimatumis

eniT saubarze erTi mizeziT

ambobs uars _ mas surs, rom

qarTvelma politikosebma antirusuli

nabiji sakuTari

nebiT gadadgan.

_ Tqven gindaT TqvaT, rom

opozicia ruseTis TamaSs TamaSobs

da xelisuflebas prodasavluri

kursi aqvs aRebu-

li?

_ amis Tqma ar minda. xelisuflebaSi

Zalian bevria iseTi,

romelsac ruseTTan aqvs pirdapiri

bma. am SemTxvevaSi opoziciaze

mxolod imitom vamaxvileb

yuradRebas, rom is aris

winaaRmdegobis mamoZravebeli.

aseTi mosazreba maqvs, rom

dasavleTs unda, opoziciam

sakuTari nebiT Seaqcios zurgi

ruseTs. Semdeg viRac-viRacebs

Tavad gausworon angari-

Si da amiT politikuri veli

gaaTavisuflon.

_ angariSis gasworebaSi ras

gulisxmobT?

_ politikuri velidan gayvanas.

_ es politikuri veli

risTvis an visTvis unda gan-

Tavisufldes?

_ imisTvis unda ganTavisufldes,

rom aq axali politikuri

procesebi daiwyos. sinamdvileSi,

aq sul sxva realoba

gvaqvs da ara is, romelsac

sazogadoeba uyurebs.

_ ra realobaze saubrobT?

_ rac dRes xdeba, es ar aris

„qarTuli ocnebisa” da opoziciis

dapirispireba. dRes saqarTveloSi

rusuli da amerikuli

politteqnologiebis brZolaa

gaCaRebuli. am brZolaSi

saqarTvelos interesebs icavs

amerikis elCi keli degnani.

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