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„qristian-demokratiuli
moZraobis” lideri goCa jo-
jua, romelsac politikuri
moRvaweobis mravawliani sta-
Ji da gamocdileba aqvs, „qro-
nika+~-sTan opoziciis mier
daSvebul Secdomebze Riad
saubrobs.
_ batono goCa, evropam
gadagvagdo?
_ aseT Sefasebas ar gavakeTeb.
_ ratom?
_ imasac mniSvneloba aqvs,
evropas Tavad Cven ra davanaxeT.
_ ra davanaxeT?
_ erTi mxriv, aris xelisufleba,
romelmac arCevnebi
gaayalba da, meore mxriv, sakiTxavia,
opoziciurma partiebma
ra gavakeTeT saimisod, rom
igive evropisTvis dagvenaxvebina,
xelisuflebis Secvlis
SemTxvevaSi, ras miiRebs.
_ anu?
_ saqarTvelo stabiluri
saxelmwifo iqneba stabiluri
xelisuflebiT, Tu gaurkvevloba
gvelis, risic yvelas eSinia?
_ „gaurkvevlobaSi” ras
gulisxmobT?
_ simarTle giTxraT, evropelebisgan
mets velodiT. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, vimedovnebdiT,
rom arCevnebi adekvaturad Sefasdeboda.
saerTod, yvelasTvis
TvalnaTelia, rogori formebiT
gaayalbes, magram yvelafer
amis miuxedavad, dasavleTma
ver dainaxa, xelisuflebis
Secvlas ra mohyveboda.
opozicia ambobs, rom saqarTveloSi
erTpartiuloba unda
damTavrdes da xelisuflebaSi
koaliciuri mTavroba movides,
magram, Cemi azriT, ver Sev-
ZeliT, rom saamisod Sesabamisi
mzaoba gamogveCina.
_ es Tema ganvavrcoT...
_ im politikurma partiebma,
romlebmac saarCevno barieri,
xelisuflebis daTvliT,
gadalaxes, arCevnebs naxevrad
an iribad legitimacia misces.
_ rogor?
_ xelisuflebasTan mosalaparakeblad
maT gareSe dasxdnen,
viszec CaiTvala, rom barieri
ver gadalaxes. mokled, am
kuTxiT opozicias saerTo
pozicia ar hqonda.
_ erTi sityviT, batono
goCa, saubari iqiTken migyavT,
rom evropa opoziciaSi sando
partniors ver xedavs?
_ saubari sandoobaze ar
aris.
_ aba, razea?
_ es politikuri speqtri
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`yvela, vinc parlamentSi Seva,
molodini ar gamarTlda: „oc-
vano pavliaSvili
neba” verc evropelebis CarTu-
goCa 595 48 35 85 lobiT movida gonze da opoziciis
erTi moTxovnac ar daak-
mayofila. „antiocnebelebi” yvelaferSi, cxadia, ivaniSvilis
gunds sdeben brals, Tumca, mogexsenebaT, yvela medals ori
mxare aqvs. hoda, Cvenc ase davsvaT sakiTxi: garkveuli Sec-
domebi opoziciamac xom ar dauSva?
aris Tu ara mzad, rom, magaliTad,
xval xelisufleba gadaibaros.
_ e. i., problema, xelisuflebasTan
erTad, opozicia-
Sic aris. sxvaTa Soris, ram-
denime dRis win evrokavSiris
erT-erTma gavlenianma warmo-
madgenelma pirdapir Tqva,
euTo-s daskvniT, 31 oqtombris
arCevnebi ar gayalbebulao
da iqve dasZina, Cveni gadasawyveti
araa, saqarTvelo-
Si vadamdeli arCevnebi dain-
iSneba Tu arao. es ra mesijia,
batono goCa?
_ euTom Tqva, arCevnebi
konkurentunarian garemoSi
Catarda, magram Zalian bevri
darRveva iyoo.
_ gulwrfelad vTqvaT:
darRvevebi gayalbebas ar ni-
Snavs. vcdebi?
_ imisTvis, rom yvelaferSi
gaverkveT, aucilebelia, rom
Cven garSemo arsebuli situaciac
gaviazroT, anu kavkasia-
Si, yarabaRis konfliqtis, ase
vTqvaT, dasrulebis Semdeg,
ruseTis gavlena seriozulad
Zlierdeba. yovel SemTxvevaSi,
azerbaijanSi rusuli samxedro
SenaerTebi ukve oficialurad
dganan. marTalia, am SenaerTebs
samSvidobo misia aqvT,
magram ruseTis kontroli ga-
Zlierebulia. sxvaTa Soris,
nariSkinis gancxadebac Zalian
sayuradReboa, romelmac „qar-
Tul ocnebas”, praqtikulad,
uTxra, Tu aSS-isa da dasavle-
Tis direqtivebs ise ar Seasruleb,
rogorc wina xelisufleba
asrulebda da amis gamo
problemebi Segeqmneba, Cven
mzad varT, gverdiT dagidge-
To. erTi sityviT, ruseTma
„ocnebas” uTxra, Tu dasavle-
Ti „mogawveba” da amiT Sens xelisuflebaSi
yofnas safrTxe
daemuqreba, mxars dagiWero.
saerTod, saxelmwifoebic zustad
ise imarTebian, rogorc
ojaxi an nebismieri urTier-
Toba.
_ kerZod?
_ jerjerobiT saqarTvelos
xelisuflebis alternativa ar
dgas.
_ amas ratom ambobT?
_ saTanado protesti ar
aris. gulaxdilad Tu vityviT,
opoziciam ver SeZlo, rom ise-
Ti struqtura Camoeyalibebina,
romelic mosaxleobas daanaxvebda,
rom esa da es adamianebi
qveyanas am politikur-ekonomikur
krizisidan gamoiyvanen
da sxva problemebsac gadawyveten.
aseT situaciaSi dasavleTs,
rasakvirvelia, urCevnia,
rom erTgvari „lufti” daitovos
da Tuki ar Seicvleba,
arsebul xelisuflebasTan normaluri
urTerToba hqondes,
Tumca Tu xelisuflebis realur
alternativas dainaxavda,
maSin yvelaferi sxvanairad
iqneboda.
_ „sxvanairad” ras niSnavs?
_ afrika, kerZod, somali,
albaT, gaxsovT.
_ diax, magram es ra SuaSia?
_ sanam iseTi vinme ar gamoikveTa,
visac xelisuflebis
Secvla SeeZlo, dasavleTis
moqmedebebi Zalian frTxili
da mozomili iyo.
_ batono goCa, iribad im
jojua:
`imis gamo, rom xalxi
quCaSi ar gamodis,
xalxs ki ara,
sakuTar Tavs unda
mosTxovon pasuxi!~
moarul xmas adasturebT, rom
molaparakebebs sami _ xelisufleba,
opozicia da dasavle-
Ti _ ki ara, realurad oTxi
monawile hyavs da es meoTxe
araoficialuri ruseTia, anu
erTmaneTs „ocneba” da opozicia
ki ara, sinamdvileSi, dasavleTi
da ruseTi elaparake-
bian, ara?
_ marTalia, ruseTi, rogorc
mxare, ar Cans, magram Sinaarsi
isaa, rasac ambobT. sxvaTa
Soris, am procesSi jer
aSS CarTuli araa, rac calke
faqtoria. amitom aSS-is moqmedebebs
unda davelodoT. aqedanve
Cans, rom es procesi male
`meliam Zveli xelisuflebis is politikuri
liderebi da Tanamdebobis yofili pirebi,
romelTa mimarTac, minimum, Zalian bevri
kiTxvis niSani arsebobs, `nacionalur
moZraobas~ moaSora, anu rogorc axla
amboben xolme, partiis rebrendingi gaakeTa
da partia mTlianad gadaaxalisa. amiT ki is
pozitivi Seqmna, rom igi mxolod
`nacmoZraobis~ lideri araa. melia is
adamiania, romelsac axali saxeebi TandaTan
Semohyavs da politikas is Zveli adamianebi
moaSora, romelTa mimarTac, marTalia,
dausabuTebeli, magram braldebebi arsebobs~
ar damTavrdeba da, vfiqrob,
aSS-is moqmedebebic ar daagvianebs.
saerTod, imas, TeTri
saxlis pozicia rogori iqneba,
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba eniWeba.
_ ratom?
_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,
opoziciam ver SevZeliT, imis
realuri struqtura dagvedo,
„ocnebis” Secvlis SemTxvevaSi,
daaxloebiT, ra konfiguraciis
xelisufleba iqneboda da es
konfiguracia qveynis marTvas
SeZlebda Tu vera.
_ batono goCa, vidre am
Temas ganvavrcobT, RaribaSvi-
lis mier briuselSi naTqvam
erT frazas gagaxsenebT, _ me
ar vwyvet, vadamdeli arCevnebi
dainiSneba Tu arao. gasage-
bia, rom kanoniT, nebismier
arCevnebs prezidenti niSnavs,
magram cxadia, RaribaSvilma
zurabiSvilze ar mianiSna. e. i.,
premierma isrebi ivaniSvil-
isken gadaxara?
_ RaribaSvilis am gancxadebas
ormagi gageba aqvs.
_ anu?
_ erTi mxriv, SegviZlia, vifiqroT,
am gancxadebiT RaribaSvilma
yvelas kidev erTxel
daanaxa, Tu vin aris qveynis
realuri mmarTvel-patroni,
meore mxriv ki standartuli
poza daiWira, _ gadawyvetilebas,
arCevnebi dainiSnos Tu
ara, qarTveli xalxi da, sabolood,
parlamenti iRebs,
radgan saqarTvelo saparlamento
respublikaao. RaribaSvils
imis gakeTeba ar SeuZlia,
rac gaxariam gaakeTa.
_ gaxariam ra gaakeTa?
_ gadadga. es gadadgoma pirdapir
ara, magram iribad, cxadia,
vadamdel arCevnebs ukav-
Sirdeboda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,
saprotesto moZraobis lider
nika melias dakaveba mxolod
erTi romelime politikuri
partiis lideris dakaveba ar
aris. melia mTeli opoziciis
liderad gamoikveTa. sxvaTa
Soris, meliam bevri iseTi ramis
gakeTebac SeZlo, risac
„ocnebas” sakuTari amomrCevlebis
umetesoba sTxovda.
_ kerZod?
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