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12<br />
interviu<br />
mwerali<br />
Tea Tofuria<br />
Tea Tofurias moTxrobebi ramdenime wlis win qarTul periodikaSi wavikiTxe.<br />
maxsovs, momewona ostaturad moTxrobili ambebi da ena, romelic<br />
mkveTrad gansxvavdeboda im periodSi ase moduri Tanamedrove skabrezulqalaquri<br />
stilisgan. werda sofelze, moxucebze, soxumze, sadac daibada da<br />
gaizarda, saxlze, pitnis kaloze... iyo leqsebic _ saTauriT da usaTaurod<br />
(ZiriTadad usaTauro, radgan leqsisTvis saxels darqmeva uWirs), cxra mzi-<br />
Ta da Raribi kacis macivrismagvari siyvaruliT, Cinuri andaziTa da dawyebuli<br />
wasvliT, bonsaiT, carieli suliTa da gasaberi burTis msgavsi cxovrebiT.<br />
5 wlis win moTxrobebisa da leqsebis pirveli krebuli, `pitnis kalo~<br />
gamosca, Semdeg sabavSvo mwerlad mogvevlina da `paradiis ardadegebi~ SemogvTavaza<br />
modreife sofliTa da ucnaur qalaq paradiiT. gasuli wlis bolos<br />
wignis Taros misi ori axali wigni Seemata: `ekocidi,~ sadac bolo sami<br />
wlis ganmavlobaSi dawerili leqsebi Sevida da `gasaRviZebeli zRaprebi~ _<br />
dilis Zilis moyvaruli zarmaci patarebisTvis.<br />
23 aprils erovnul biblioTekaSi Seqmnilma specialurma Jiurim Tea<br />
`astrid lindgrenis premiis~ erT-erT qarTvel nominantad daasaxela. es<br />
faqti misTvis moulodneli, Tumca sasiamovno aRmoCnda. lindgrenis premia<br />
sabavSvo literaturis dargSi Zalze prestiJulia. mas yovel wels aniWeben<br />
sxvadasxva qveynis mwerlebs, ilustratorebs, zepir mTxrobelebs da<br />
mozardTaTvis gankuTvnili literaturis ganviTarebis xelSemwyob organizaciebs.<br />
soliduri jildo _ 525 aTasi evro yovelwliurad erT an ramdenime<br />
gamarjvebuls gadaecema. saubars swored am TemiT viwyebT.<br />
_ lindgrenis premia erT-erTi<br />
prestiJuli jildoa sabavSvo mwerlobis<br />
samyaroSi. ramdenad moulodneli<br />
iyo masze wardgena da ra pasuxismgeblobas<br />
gakisrebs nominantis<br />
statusi?<br />
_ moulodneli namdvilad iyo,<br />
radgan isic ki ar vicodi, rom am nominaciaze<br />
ganmixilavdnen. marTlac<br />
prestiJuli premiaa, Tumca ZiriTadad<br />
asakovan mwerlebs aniWeben, mTeli cxovreba<br />
sabavSvo mwerlobas rom<br />
Seswires. daaxloebiT iseTia, `sabaze~<br />
literaturis ganviTarebaSi Setanili<br />
RvawlisTvis rom ajildoveben, amitom<br />
gamarjvebis didi imedi ar maqvs. pasuxismgebloba<br />
ufro metia. ase mgonia,<br />
metyvian, 50 wlis Semdeg gamoiareo da<br />
siamovnebiT gavuvli. simarTle<br />
giTxraT, garkveuli periodis Semdeg<br />
sulac ar meCveneba es faqti miuRwevlad.<br />
sabavSvo mwerlobaSi Tavs namdvilad<br />
vxedav, prozisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
romelic Cemi Semoqmedebidan yvelaze<br />
metad moswonT, Tumca Tavad<br />
yovelTvis maqvs ukmarisobis grZnoba.<br />
_ anu prozaSi ufro TviTkritikuli<br />
xar?<br />
_ ar vici, TviTkritikaa Tu sxva<br />
ram, magram rodesac sakuTar nawerebs<br />
klasikos mwerlebsa da Tanamedrove<br />
avtorebs vadareb, sul maqvs gancda,<br />
rom ase verasodes davwer, rasac ver<br />
vityvi leqssa da zRaparze. momavalSi<br />
ra iqneba, ar vici, dResdReobiT ki Tavs<br />
gacilebiT ukeT vgrZnob poeziasa da<br />
sabavSvo mwerlobaSi.<br />
_ ratom moginda avtors, romelic<br />
seriozul, `sadido~ Temebze werdi,<br />
erT mSvenier dRes (pirobiTad)<br />
bavSvebisTvis mxiaruli da saxaliso<br />
ambebi mogeTxro?<br />
_ gansakuTrebuli SemTxveva ar var,<br />
amas qarTuli temperamenti ganapirobebs.<br />
samxreTuli tipis qveynebSi,<br />
romelTac Cvenc mivekuTvnebiT, adamianis<br />
xasiaTSi sapirispiro Tvisebebi<br />
iyris Tavs. iq sadac civi klimatia,<br />
ufro mSvidi da gawonasworebuli<br />
xalxi cxovrobs, samxreTul qveynebSi<br />
ki xasiaTic radikaluri aqvT da mwerlobac<br />
aseTivea.<br />
_ mizezi, ramac zRapris dawerisken<br />
gibiZga?<br />
_ rom giTxra, rame gansakuTrebuli<br />
mizezi iyo-meTqi, mogatyueb.<br />
ubralod mominda, davwere da xalxs<br />
moewona. ratom mominda? jer erTi, es<br />
aris Zalze sufTa da gaxsnili samyaro<br />
_ rasac ginda, imas dawer. sruliad<br />
Tavisufali xar moqmedebaSic da gamoxatvis<br />
saSualebebSic. sabavSvo mwerloba<br />
ufro laRi, mxiaruli da udardelia.<br />
aq arc sakuTar Tavs Trgunav, arc<br />
_ mkiTxvels. gantvirTvis mSvenieri<br />
saSualebaa da es me ar momigonia. Terapiis<br />
mizniT adamianebs xSirad awerineben<br />
zRaprebs. am dros mTlianad<br />
iclebi im uaryofiTi emociisgan, rac<br />
droTa ganmavlobaSi gigrovdeba.<br />
_ amis miuxedavad, qarTvelebs<br />
arcTu bevri sabavSvo mwerali gvyavs.<br />
_ qarTvelebi ampartavani xalxi<br />
varT da bavSvebze wera gveCoTireba.<br />
CvenSi am TemiT ZiriTadad sakuTari<br />
Svilis xaTriT interesdebian. es sabavSvo<br />
mwerloba ar aris. sabavSvo mwerals<br />
konkretuli bavSvi ki ar uyvars,<br />
aramed zogadad, is bavSvuroba,<br />
romelic adamians am asakSi axasiaTebs.<br />
samyaros misi TvaliT uyurebs. meorea,<br />
amaze wera ar geTakilebodes. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, es didi naklia, radgan Cvens<br />
garda bavSvebisTvis wera saTakilod<br />
aravis miaCnia.<br />
_ ara mgonia, ase iyos, radgan<br />
bevrs uTqvams, rom Zalian undaT patarebisTvis<br />
wera, magram ar gamosdiT.<br />
rTulia imdenad, ramdenadac<br />
bavSvebi yvelaze mgrZnobiare Semfaseblebi<br />
arian, maSinve grZnoben<br />
siyalbes.<br />
_ saqmec is aris, rom ar gamosdiT.<br />
xSirad rom vwerdeT, genebSi gveqneboda<br />
da gamogvividoda, magram Cvens<br />
kulturaSi ar zis da swored esaa<br />
cudi. sabavSvo literatura, kino,<br />
multiplikaciuri filmi yvela qveyanaSia<br />
ganviTarebuli, CvenTan ki mxolod<br />
ramdenime sabavSvo mweralia,<br />
ramdenime filmi, isic, ise ra...<br />
_ ra kriteriumebia saWiro imisTvis,<br />
rom avtori sabavSvo mwerlad<br />
Camoyalibdes?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, amouwuravi fantazia;<br />
gulwrfeloba, romlis gareSec<br />
naweri yalbi iqneba; garda amisa, martivad<br />
unda xedavde samyaros, radgan<br />
bavSvi mas swored ase aRiqvams. sinamdvileSic<br />
xom martivia yvelaferi,<br />
ubralod, asakis matebasTan erTad vamuqebT<br />
realobas.<br />
_ personaJebi da tipaJebi, romliTac<br />
patara unda miizido?<br />
_ eg CemTvis sirTules ar warmoadgens.<br />
uamravi saintereso personaJi<br />
myavs, SeiZleba iTqvas, Tavze mayria.<br />
amisaTvis Zalian kargi saSualebaa<br />
dakvirveba, detalebis SemCnevis unari,<br />
rac Semdeg zRapris gmirSi iyris Tavs.<br />
Cvens garSemo bevri saxasiaTo tipaJia,<br />
literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi<br />
gazeTi<br />
ubralod, unda dainaxo da saWiro<br />
dros saWiro adgilas Casva. ambis ganviTareba<br />
da siuJetis ageba ufro mi-<br />
Wirs. xandaxan mxolod dasawyisi da<br />
dasasruli maqvs, SuaSi ra davwero, ar<br />
vici. anu es ufro rTulia CemTvis da<br />
ara personaJis gamogoneba.<br />
_ dRes cota Znelia bavSvis wign-<br />
Tan miyvana, uamravi sacduria imisaTvis,<br />
rom sxva ramiT dakavdes. Tu<br />
gifiqria, rogor SeiZleba Seayvaro<br />
kiTxva patara adamians?<br />
_ ramdenadac rTulia, imdenad<br />
martivic aris. jer erTi, Zalian didi<br />
mniSvneloba aqvs garemos da imas, aris<br />
Tu ara ojaxSi mkiTxveli. zogan koRos<br />
mosaklav wigns ver ipovi. SeiZleba saxlSi<br />
wignebi iyos, magram Tu bavSvi ver<br />
xedavs adamianebs wigniT xelSi, kiTxvas<br />
ar daiwyebs. anu, uamravi faqtori<br />
unda gadaikveTos: wigni, mkiTxveli,<br />
saubrebi wakiTxuli nawarmoebis Sesaxeb<br />
da es yvelaferi bunebrivad xdebodes.<br />
Tavad ase daviwye kiTxva: Cems<br />
saxlSi yvelgan wigni iyo, buxarSic ki.<br />
aravin meubneboda, waikiTxeo, magram<br />
iseTi garemo iyo, Zalauneburad vkiTx-<br />
`<br />
samyaros<br />
martivad<br />
unda<br />
xedavde<br />
~<br />
ulobdi. mSoblisTvis Svilis mkiTxvelad<br />
aRzrda prioriteti unda iyos,<br />
amis gareSe warmoudgenelia srulfasovan<br />
pirovnebad Camoyalibeba. arada,<br />
faqtia, rom dRes bavSvebi ar kiTxuloben.<br />
kvlevebiTaa dadasturebuli,<br />
skolis moswavleTa umetesobas wakiTxuli<br />
teqstis gaanalizeba uWirs, azrs<br />
ver aviTarebs. es imis bralia, rom wigni<br />
ar waukiTxavs, ar gauazrebia, ar<br />
uocnebia. bavSvobaSi xSirad gamigr-<br />
Zelebia tragikulad damTavrebuli ambavi,<br />
zRapris gmirebi gamicocxlebia<br />
da sul sxva siuJeti amigia. maTTvis es<br />
ucxoa, ar ucxovriaT personaJis cxovrebiT.<br />
amitomac gvaqvs aseTi sura-<br />
Ti.<br />
_ ramdenime Tvis win gamovida Seni<br />
leqsebis pirveli krebuli _ `ekocidi~.<br />
saintereso saTauria, romelic<br />
mkiTxvelis yuradRebas Tavidanve ipyrobs.<br />
saidan amotivtivda es termini<br />
da ra gaxda amave saxelwodebis<br />
leqsis daweris mizezi?<br />
_ `ekocids~ biZgi agvistos omma<br />
misca. borjomis tyeebi rom gadaiwva,<br />
am Temaze vmuSaobdi. swored maSin gavige<br />
pirvelad, rom `genocidis~ garda<br />
arsebobs `ekocidic~. es termini<br />
CemTvis Zalian STambeWdavi da asociaciuri<br />
aRmoCnda. zogadad ekocidi<br />
bunebisTvisaa damaxasiaTebeli, magram<br />
adamianis SemTxvevaSic daaxloebiT<br />
igive xdeba. swored amazea es leqsi _<br />
rogor SeiZleba ekocidi TiToeul<br />
Cvengans daemarTos. saTauric aqedan<br />
wamovida. ver vityvi, rom omzea, ufro<br />
siyvarulzea.<br />
_ cnebaTa aRreva xSiria Sens<br />
leqsebSi?<br />
_ sakmaod. bevria iseTi, romelic<br />
naxevar tonSia dawerili da ver gaigeb,<br />
razea. SeiZleba `miwa~ an `adamiani~ eweros<br />
da sul sxva ram igulisxmebodes.<br />
xandaxan Tavadac maviwydeba, ra Sinaarsi<br />
devs konkretul frazaSi, Tumca<br />
raRac etapze es meorexarisxovani xdeba.<br />
22 ivnisi - 5 ivlisi 2012<br />
_ ramdenad mniSvnelovania,<br />
mkiTxvelma zustad aRiqvas is muxti,<br />
rac nawerSi Cade?<br />
_ saerTod Tu ver aRiqvams, ra<br />
Tqma unda, cudia. zogjer sawinaaRmdegodac<br />
gaugiaT, magram amaze<br />
maincdamainc ar vnerviulob. kerZo mesakuTre<br />
xom ar var, viRacas mivuTiTo,<br />
ginda Tu ara, ase gaige-meTqi? rogorc<br />
unda, ise moirgos mkiTxvelma leqsi.<br />
sasiamovnoc ki iqneba, Tu sakuTar ganwyobas<br />
Seusabamebs.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze mTavari leqsis<br />
werisas?<br />
_ ar miyvars leqsebi, romlebic<br />
Sinaarss gadmoscemen da romelTa moyolac<br />
SeiZleba. SesaZloa, zogi Zalian<br />
niWieradac iyos dawerili, magram ar<br />
miyvars da ra vqna. CemTvis leqsi, pirvel<br />
rigSi, ganwyobaa. ganwyoba da<br />
emocia. realurad amis ganxorcieleba<br />
rTulia. meeWveba, romelime poetma<br />
zustad SeZlos im grZnobis gadmocema,<br />
rasac weris dros ganicdis, magram<br />
Tu miaxloebiTi ganwyoba mainc Cans<br />
leqsSi, is ukve Semdgaria.<br />
_ ambob, rom ganwyoba mniSvnelovania,<br />
Tumca Sens leqsebSi gansja<br />
ufro aqtualuria. ar igrZnoba lirika<br />
da sentimentalizmi. Sen xar avtori,<br />
romelsac sakuTari damokidebuleba<br />
aqvs konkretuli Temebis mimarT,<br />
Tavisi xma.<br />
_ gansja da msjeloba CemTvis<br />
sruliad bunebrivia. im adamianebs<br />
mivekuTvnebi, romelTac yvelaferze<br />
gamzadebuli pasuxi aqvT, amitom gansjaSi<br />
gansakuTrebuls verafers vxedav,<br />
TavisTavad igulisxmeba. mTavaria,<br />
is emocia mivitano mkiTxvelamde,<br />
romelic leqsis werisas mqonda.<br />
_ Sens poeziaSi Zalian xSiria wasvlis<br />
Tema, sul sadRac midixar. amis<br />
erTgvari Sejamebaa leqsi _ `wasvla<br />
daiwyo~. ra aris es, raime tipis simbolika<br />
Tu ubralod, akviateba?<br />
_ ramdenad xSiria, ar vici, Tumca<br />
es Tema marTlac mniSvnelovania.<br />
zogadad, wasvla bevrnairia: pirovnebisgan,<br />
situaciisgan, zogjer _ samsaxuridanac...<br />
adamians bevri ramisgan<br />
uwevs wasvla, imis miuxedavad, unda es<br />
Tu ara. Tumca aq ufro sxva ramea Cadebuli<br />
_ im ZiriTadi misiis Sesruleba,<br />
rac Semoqmedma daakisra adamians _<br />
RmerTamde misvlas vgulisxmob. nebismieri<br />
Cvengani mTeli sicocxle or<br />
poluss Soris ixliCeba: iyos am cxovrebisTvis,<br />
Tu imisTvis, risTvisac<br />
daibada. es `wasvlebic~ am mizans emsaxureba<br />
– wasvlas yoveldRiuri rutinidan<br />
cota ufro seriozuli<br />
miznebisken; wasvlas sakuTar TavSi im<br />
`mes~ aRmosaCenad, rac ufalma Cado<br />
adamianSi.<br />
_ erTi periodi akviatebuli Temebi<br />
moTxrobebSic gqonda _<br />
sofelze da moxuc qalebze werdi...<br />
_ vwerdi da mere mivatove, radgan<br />
sevdiani iyo. is personaJebi, romelTa<br />
Sesaxebac vyvebodi, momwonda, Tumca<br />
mere gamiqra amaze weris survili. am<br />
etapze moTxrobebisken guli ar mimiwevs,<br />
leqsebsac iSviaTad vwer, ufro sabavSvo<br />
proziT var dakavebuli. ramdenime<br />
zRapari maqvs dasamTavrebeli da<br />
amaze vmuSaob.<br />
_ ZiriTadad mcire zomis<br />
moTxrobebi gaqvs, vrcel prozaze ar<br />
gifiqria?<br />
_ mifiqria, magram Cems Zalebs<br />
aRemateba. gulwrfelad mSurs maTi,<br />
visac ase wera SeuZlia. zogadad,<br />
Zalian lakonuri adamiani var: ar miyvars<br />
saxlSi zedmeti nivTebi, zedmeti<br />
laparaki, Cemic da sxvisic... xSirad es<br />
problemebs miqmnis. weris mimarTac<br />
analogiuri damokidebuleba maqvs _<br />
mirCevnia, mcire zomis teqstSi Cavtio<br />
saTqmeli, rogori didic unda iyos.<br />
Zalian momwons romanebi, maT Soris,<br />
sabavSvoc, magram CemTvis `hari poteri~-s<br />
7 tomis dawera warmoudgenelia.<br />
_ anu mcire zomis teqstia Seni<br />
niSa?<br />
dasasruli me-14 gverdze
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