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lela gafrin<strong>da</strong>Svili: Cven ramdenime tipis kanons<br />
vemorCilebiT. erTi mxriv aris religiuri kanoni,<br />
meore mxriv _ civilizebuli, anu samoqalaqo kanonebi,<br />
romelsac un<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong>vemorCiloT, rogorc am qveynis<br />
moqalaqeebi. CvenSi isev Zlieria a<strong>da</strong>T-wesobrivi<br />
samarTali. Cvens cxovrebaSi did rols asrulebs<br />
e.w. tradiciuli normebi, romelsac mainc<strong>da</strong>mainc<br />
did winaRmdegobas ver vuwevT. amave dros 1994<br />
wli<strong>da</strong>n saqarTvelo saerTaSoriso samarTlis subieqti<br />
gax<strong>da</strong>. Tu Cven varT sekularuli saxelmwifo<br />
<strong>da</strong> gvin<strong>da</strong> civilizebuli samyaros nawilad viqceT,<br />
maSin un<strong>da</strong> vaRiaroT, rom yvela sxva samarTalTan<br />
mimarTebaSi, primati saerTaSoriso samarTals aqvs.<br />
nino beqiSvili: qarTveli mosamarTleebi saqmeebis<br />
ganxilvisas iSviTad mimarTaven saerTaSoriso<br />
samarTals.<br />
lela gafrin<strong>da</strong>Svili: xSirad maT isic ar ician,<br />
rom saerTaSoriso samarTals primati aqvs. amis<br />
gar<strong>da</strong>, saerTaSoriso samarTliT garantirebuli<br />
uflebebi bevr moqalaqes, saxelmwifo moxeles, politikoss<br />
Tu sasuliero pirs gacnobierebuli ar<br />
aqvs <strong>da</strong> ar esmis, rom amis gareSe qveyana, sa<strong>da</strong>c<br />
vcxovrobT, ver gaxdeba civilizebuli <strong>da</strong> ver ganvviTardebiT.<br />
nino beqiSvili: erekle deisaZis wigni, savaraudod,<br />
mxolod sababi iyo. konfliqti ar <strong>da</strong>wyebula<br />
guSin. bolo wlebis manZilze garkveuli sixSiriT<br />
amgvari SemTxvevebi xdebo<strong>da</strong>. Tuki vaRiarebT saqarTvelos<br />
konstitucias <strong>da</strong> saerTaSoriso kanonmdeblobas,<br />
romelic icavs Cveni gamoxatvis Tavisuflebas,<br />
maSin ra un<strong>da</strong> vqnaT? arseboben a<strong>da</strong>mianebi,<br />
romlebic amboben, rom wignebi un<strong>da</strong> aikrZalos, kanonmdebloba<br />
ga<strong>da</strong>ixedos <strong>da</strong> a. S.<br />
levan berZeniSvili: es martivi saqme ar aris. deisaZes<br />
aqvs ufleba, weros, rac un<strong>da</strong>. rac Seexeba am<br />
organizacias <strong>da</strong> mis Zaladobas _ qalbatonma natom<br />
ojaxur Zaladobaze isaubra, magram organizebuli<br />
Zaladoba gansxvavdeba erTi piris Zaladobisgan.<br />
koleqtiur Zaladobas aqvs erTi Tavisebureba. am<br />
Taviseburebas kacobrioba gaecno iseTi formiT,<br />
rom mere Sercxva <strong>da</strong> warmoudgeneli dokumenti<br />
<strong>da</strong>do 1948 wlis 10 dekembers. dRes `a<strong>da</strong>mianis<br />
uflebaTa sayovelTao deklaracias~ veravin ver<br />
<strong>da</strong>wers <strong>da</strong> ar arsebobs saxelmwifo, romelic mas<br />
dRes miiReb<strong>da</strong>. yvela religiuri konfesia ewinaaRmdegeba<br />
am dokuments, es normaluricaa, asec un<strong>da</strong><br />
iyos. es deklaracia yvelaferze maRla <strong>da</strong>dga swored<br />
imitom, rom misma Semqmnelebma warmoudgeneli<br />
sisastike naxes.<br />
lela gafrin<strong>da</strong>Svili<br />
diskusia<br />
erTi mxriv, arsebobs ukiduresad<br />
liberaluri azri <strong>da</strong> meore<br />
mxriv _ ukiduresad fanatikuri<br />
Sexedulebebi. SuaSi ki araferia.<br />
Tuki demokratiis, liberalizmis<br />
evropul istorias ga<strong>da</strong>vxe<strong>da</strong>vT,<br />
vnaxavT, rom iyo raRac warmodgenebi,<br />
Semdeg Cndebo<strong>da</strong> maTi sapirispiro<br />
ideebi <strong>da</strong> swored sapirispiros<br />
gaCenis Semdeg Cndebo<strong>da</strong> qveynebis<br />
<strong>da</strong> Sexedulebebis ganviTarebas<br />
SesaZlebloba.<br />
Zaladoba Zaladobas warmoSobs. Cven amdeni xania,<br />
vuyurebT sxva qveynebSi amas. Tu israeli Zaladobs,<br />
maSin arabebi afeTqeben <strong>da</strong> Tu arabebi afeTqeben,<br />
maSin israeli Zaladobs. es ar <strong>da</strong>mTavrdeba,<br />
vidre ar moiZebneba raime formula. Cven sazogadoebas<br />
komunisturi ideologia moaxvies Tavs. vinc<br />
ar eTanxmebo<strong>da</strong>, imas mixe<strong>da</strong>vdnen. naxevarma qveyanam<br />
<strong>da</strong>xoca qveynis meore naxevari. komunistebis dros<br />
Cven gamovtoveT ganviTarebis faza, CamovrCiT.<br />
xolo Cven, qarTvelebi, vinai<strong>da</strong>n ar vflobdiT saerTo<br />
saxelmwifos 800 wlis ganmavlobaSi, gansaku-<br />
Trebulad CamovrCiT _ ufro metad, vidre baltiis<br />
qveynebi.<br />
saqarTveloSi gaCn<strong>da</strong> moTxovna `erTze~. magali-<br />
Tad, moiTxoven, gaerTiandes mTeli opozicia.<br />
naTelia, vinc amas iTxovs, is xval gcems, imitom,<br />
rom is `erTs~ iTxovs. erTisadmi aseTi brma rwmenaa,<br />
moiTxoven, rom mTeli nacia erTis garSemo Seikras,<br />
yvelas un<strong>da</strong> hqondes erTi azri, yvelas un<strong>da</strong><br />
ecvas ase, yvela un<strong>da</strong> iyos aseTi. me gansakuTrebiT<br />
momewona, roca axalgazr<strong>da</strong> axalgazr<strong>da</strong>s uxsni<strong>da</strong>,<br />
ra un<strong>da</strong> Caicvas.<br />
nino beqiSvili: saqarTvelo Tan<strong>da</strong>Tan xdeba Tanamedrove<br />
msoflios nawili <strong>da</strong> am pirobebSi eklesia<br />
ver iqneba erTaderTi azrTa mpyrobeli, rogorc<br />
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