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#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.<br />
vaxtangi dagvibara. moiwvies sinodis<br />
kreba da moxda gansacvifrebeli<br />
ram. me da mama vaxtangi dagvsajes.<br />
me imisTvis _ ratom avaSene<br />
amdeni eklesia, ratom miyvars<br />
saqarTvelo, ratom vicav <strong>didi</strong><br />
sjulis kanons da marTlmadideblobas.<br />
`damsajes~ da `gamosasworeblad~<br />
vani-baRdadis eparqiaSi<br />
gamgzavnes. eparqiaSi, romlis<br />
mRvdeli Sua marxvaSi restoran-<br />
Si `Salaxos~ cekvavda. ver gavige,<br />
maT unda gamovesworebine, Tu<br />
me isini?! TumcaRa, rom wavsuliyavi,<br />
marTlac gamovasworebdi. sapatriarqos<br />
swored aseTi<br />
mRvdlebi awyobs, isini patriarqis<br />
winaSe xmas verasodes amoiReben.<br />
aseTi sasuliero pirebi sakmaod<br />
bevrni arian eklesiis wiaR-<br />
Si.<br />
_ axla eklesiidan yvelaze Tamamad<br />
meufe iobis xma ismis. amaswinaT<br />
kidevac ganacxada: Tu es xelisufleba<br />
kidev qveynis saTaveSi<br />
darCeba, saqarTvelo aRar iarsebebso...<br />
_ es xelisufleba istoriis,<br />
yovelive qarTulis mteria. meufe<br />
iobi amaTi uzneobis Semyure ake-<br />
Tebs aseT daskvnas. diax, saqarTvelos<br />
istoria Tu ar iarsebebs da<br />
qarTveli xalxi Tavisi warsuliT<br />
veRar iamayebs, qarTveli eri gadajiSdeba,<br />
es unda Cvens mtrebs. amaze<br />
laparakobs meufe iobic...<br />
meufe ruis-urbnisis eparqiis<br />
mmarTveli, friad ganswavluli da<br />
upatiosnesi pirovnebaa. mis eparqiaSi<br />
yvela rituals eklesiuri wesebis<br />
mixedviT aRasruleben. meufe<br />
yovelTvis simarTlis mxares dgas,<br />
xSirad amxels usjuloebas, romelic<br />
xdeba dRevandel xelisuflebaSi.<br />
amitomac idga mcxeTaSi qar-<br />
Tveli eris Sekrebaze. swored<br />
amis gamo, xelisuflebis saameblad,<br />
moiwvies saswrafod<br />
sinodis kreba, raTa<br />
`daetuqsaT~ meufe iobi. ver<br />
gaiTvaliswines, rom sinodSi Tu<br />
erSi meufe iobs bevri mxardamWeri<br />
hyavs.<br />
iseTebi, romlebic xelisuflebis<br />
naCuqari prestiJuli manqanebiT<br />
dagrialeben, movuwodeb:<br />
droa, CamoqveiTdiT `jipebidan~ da<br />
SeWirvebuli xalxis bedi gaiziareT,<br />
rameTu yoveli Cvengani mar-<br />
Talni unda viyvneT sakuTari sindisis<br />
winaSe, raTa Cveni nasroli<br />
qva Cvenve ar dagvibrundes.<br />
_ mamao basil, xSirad gaismis,<br />
unda Catardes ruis-urbnisis<br />
msgavsi saeklesio krebao. Tqveni<br />
azriT, SesaZlebelia Tu ara es da<br />
vin unda ganaxorcielos igi?<br />
_ dRes mTeli saqarTvelo<br />
elodeba, rodis Catardeba ruisurbnisis<br />
msgavsi kreba. saerTod,<br />
msoflio saeklesio krebebs yovelTvis<br />
morwmune mefeebi da dedoflebi<br />
iwvevdnen. saqarTvelos<br />
pirveli prezidenti zviad gamsaxurdia<br />
xelisuflebaSi mosvlis<br />
dRidanve emzadeboda saeklesio<br />
krebis Casatareblad, raTa ganwmendiliyo<br />
eklesia uRirsi, Semarcxveneli<br />
samRvdeloebisagan. swored<br />
es ar apaties mas da sapatriarqo<br />
opoziciaSi Caudga. dRes<br />
ismis kiTxva, Catardeba es kreba?<br />
pasuxi aseTia _ saakaSvilisa da<br />
ilia II-is TanamoRvaweobis dros<br />
es kreba ar Catardeba, radgan<br />
krebaze unda ganikveTos samRvdelo<br />
dasis umravlesoba ise, rogorc<br />
es moxda daviT aRmaSeneblis<br />
dros. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
samRvdeloebas saerTod<br />
ar awyobs krebis Catareba.<br />
_ mamao, bevrs ainteresebs, ra<br />
azris brZandebiT biZina ivaniSvilze,<br />
rogorc sazogadoebis garkveuli<br />
da sakmaod <strong>didi</strong> nawilis liderze,<br />
uWerT mas mxars?<br />
_ xSirad mekiTxebian, ra azrisa<br />
var ivaniSvilTan mimarTebaSi.<br />
waval Tu ara mitingebze.<br />
me yovelTvis maTTan var, vinc<br />
SeWirvebul moZmeebTan dgas, maT<br />
Wir-varams iziarebs, exmareba,<br />
gulTan miaqvs gaRatakebuli, qu-<br />
CaSi lukma-puris saSovnelad gamosuli<br />
xalxis bedi. mivesalmebi<br />
da vlocav qvelmoqmedebas, romelsac<br />
eris sakeTildReod gaswevs,<br />
miTumetes, Tu yovelgvari<br />
keTili saqme marTlmadidebluri<br />
suliT iqneba Sezavebuli. rac Seexeba<br />
imas, vivli Tu ara saxalxo<br />
Sekrebebze, mogaxsenebT, sapyrobileSi<br />
yofnis dros bevrjer scades<br />
Cemi mowamvla, fizikuri ganadgureba,<br />
magram RvTis wyalobiT,<br />
TqvenTan var. cixidan friad<br />
dauZlurebuli gamovedi, dResac<br />
vmkurnalob. kidev gimeorebT, sawolzec<br />
rom viyo mijaWvuli, suliT<br />
da <strong>guli</strong>T saqarTvelos erTgul<br />
jariskacad miguleT. me vidgebi<br />
maTTan, vinc xelisuflebaSi<br />
ara fulis mosaxveWad, aramed<br />
dasaxmareblad da gaWirvebuli<br />
xalxis pirobebis gasaumjobeseblad<br />
mova.<br />
vwuxvar, roca vuyureb, rogor<br />
esvrian qvebs nacionalebis damqa-<br />
Sebi biZina ivaniSvilis momxreebs.<br />
minda qarTvel xalxs Sevaxseno,<br />
rom maTi maswavlebeli da ideologi<br />
giga bokeria qvebis srola-<br />
Si metad gawvrTnilia. ramdenime<br />
wlis win igi ieRovelTa seqtis<br />
warmomadgenlebis Tavgamodebuli<br />
dacvisas me da Cems mrevls qvebi<br />
dagviSines. es kadrebi aris internetsivrceSi<br />
da yvelas SeuZlia<br />
ixilos. ase, rom es maTi Cveulebrivi<br />
xelweraa, raSic me adreve<br />
davrwmundi da sakuTar Tavzec gamovcade,<br />
amitom ukeTess arafers<br />
moveli maTgan...<br />
RmerTma daglocoT.<br />
iranda<br />
kalandaZe<br />
wlevandel welsac Catarda<br />
morigi literaturuli<br />
konkursi `saba~. ramdenad<br />
amarTlebs wardgenili da gamarjvebuli<br />
nawarmoebebi sazogadoebis<br />
molodins da<br />
sulxan-ssabas saxelobis premiis<br />
saxels _ es ukve <strong>didi</strong><br />
xnis gansja-gganxilvis sakiTxia.<br />
ra da vin imarjvebs:<br />
novacia, ideologia Tu namdvili<br />
mwerloba? am sakiTxebze<br />
gvesaubreba poeti baRaTer<br />
arabuli<br />
_ amgvari konkursebi, rogoricaa<br />
`saba~, `gala~ da<br />
sxvebi, TavisTavad Zalian kargia,<br />
magram dauSvebelia klanuri,<br />
garkveuli jgufebis interesebis<br />
gamomxatveli konkursebi.<br />
xSirad erTi da igive<br />
xalxi marTavs da Rebulobs<br />
monawileobs. vTqvaT,<br />
wels romeliRac mweralma miiRo<br />
premia da misi megobari<br />
aris Jiuris wevri, Semdeg<br />
wels is, vinc miiRo premia,<br />
aris JiuriSi da romelic<br />
SarSan JiuriSi iyo Rebulobs<br />
premias da a.S.<br />
_ e.i. erTmaneTs gadascemen<br />
premiebs?<br />
_ ar davasaxeleb gvarebs.<br />
erTi da igive saxeebi trialebs<br />
am konkursebze, 10 wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi zogierTs 5-jer<br />
aqvs miRebuli premia, zogs ki<br />
_ 4-jer da a.S. es Zalian cudi<br />
tendenciaa. obieqturad<br />
unda Catardes yvelaferi. JiuriSi<br />
unda iyos xalxi, romlebic<br />
gaTviTcnobierebulni<br />
arian qarTul literaturaSi.<br />
minda mivmarTo damaarseblebs,<br />
xelmZRvanelebs, es iqneba Cemi<br />
megobruli Txovnac da kolegialuric<br />
_ kontroli gauwion<br />
Jiuris Semadgenlobas, iq<br />
mimdinare movlenebs.<br />
_ mamuka xazaraZe aris am<br />
literaturuli konkursis<br />
damfinansebeli da TavisTavad<br />
xdeba qarTuli mwerlobis<br />
promouteri, Tanamedrove<br />
eniT rom vTqvaT. ar interesdeba,<br />
ras xmardeba misi Tanxebi<br />
da rogoria rezultati?<br />
_ mamuka xazaraZe aris Zalian<br />
kargi adamiani, morwmune,<br />
hyavs moZRvari da mis mier dafinansebul<br />
konkursSi imarjvebs<br />
adamiani _ giorgi maisuraZe,<br />
romelic eklesiaze,<br />
sarwmunoebaze, religiaze aqveynebs<br />
amazrzen teqstebs, magaliTad<br />
moviyvan fragmentebs<br />
misi werilidan: `marTlmadidebloba,rogorc<br />
qarTveli liberalebis<br />
ukanaskneli<br />
TavSesafari~. gTavazobT<br />
erT-erT fragments:<br />
`saqarTvelos<br />
marTlmadidebel eklesias,<br />
romelic dRes<br />
saqarTveloSi yvelaze<br />
maRali avtoritetis<br />
mqone organizaciaa,<br />
ritualebisa da `saswaulebis~<br />
garda sxva<br />
aranairi `sulierebis~<br />
SeTavazeba ar SeuZlia<br />
adamianisTvis da Tavadaa<br />
yovelgvari sulierebisa<br />
da sulieri<br />
kulturis mTavari moZule,<br />
romelic yvelgan da yvelaferSi,<br />
sadac misi locva-kur-<br />
Txevis beWedi araa dasmuli,<br />
eSmakeulebs xedavs. ufro metic,<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesia imdenad da-<br />
Sorda yovelgvar sulierebas,<br />
imdenad moswyda Tavad marTlmadideblur<br />
Teologiur<br />
sawyisebs, rom masze, rogorc<br />
sulierebis gamomxatvel instituciaze,<br />
seriozuli saubaric<br />
ki `Znelia~. mere ambobs:<br />
`aranairi gansakuTrebuli Teoriuli<br />
codna da analitikuri<br />
unarebi araa imisTvis sa-<br />
Wiro, rom eklesiidan momavali<br />
agresia, Seuwynarebloba,<br />
Sua saukuneebisdroindeli<br />
seqsizmi da qalTmoZuleoba,<br />
adamianebis fsiqologiuri manipulacia<br />
da wamqezebloba<br />
davafiqsiroT da mas kerZo<br />
SemTxvevebis kvalifikacia ar<br />
mivceT. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT,<br />
rom erovnuli Tu sarwmunoebrivi<br />
SuRlis gaRviveba,<br />
umetes SemTxvevaSi, marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis<br />
umaRlesi organos _<br />
wminda sinodis wevrebisgan<br />
_ episkoposebisa da<br />
mitropolitebisgan modis,<br />
absurduli unda<br />
iyos imis mtkiceba,<br />
rom es gamonaklisebia~.<br />
anu igi <strong>guli</strong>sxmobs,<br />
rom evronuli<br />
SuRlis gaRviveba eklesiidan<br />
modis. piriqiT,<br />
eklesia zrunavs<br />
imaze, rom ar iyos<br />
SuRli da dapirispireba<br />
sazogadoebaSi. am<br />
`mweralma~ miiRo sabas<br />
premia da premiis damaarsebelia<br />
xazaraZe, romelic<br />
sapatriarqos udgas<br />
gverdiT. me vfiqrob,<br />
rom mamuka xazaraZem<br />
es ar icis.<br />
_ cota ucnauria, rom<br />
damfinansebeli saqmis kursSi<br />
araa.<br />
_ xazaraZem es rom icodes,<br />
ar dauSvebda. me vici,<br />
rom sapatriarqoSi Catarda<br />
preskonferencia am masalis<br />
Taobaze. aseve maisuraZe nawarmoebSi<br />
`Caketili sazogadoeba<br />
da misi darajebi~ romelSic<br />
premia miiRo, Caketil<br />
sazogadoebaSi <strong>guli</strong>sxmobs<br />
imaT, vinc tradiciebs icavs,<br />
zneobriv normebze da erovnu-<br />
saerTo gazeTi<br />
literaturuli premia `saba~<br />
saZmakacoSi Camosarigebel<br />
premiad ar unda iqces...<br />
lobaze laparakobs. cisferebis<br />
zeims, erTsqesianebis qorwils<br />
Tavisufleba unda mieni-<br />
Wos da propaganda gaewios.<br />
misi azriT, ilia WavWavaZes<br />
awuxebda Suasaukunebrivi bneleTis<br />
azrebi, anu eris gadarCenaze<br />
zrunva bneleTis<br />
azria. patriotizmi provincializmis<br />
gamovlineba. cotne<br />
dadiani `cotne daTvianidan~<br />
modis, `cotnaoba~ seqsualuri<br />
rituali yofila, Taflis<br />
wasma sxeulze, mere lokva da<br />
ase Semdeg. `sabas~ premiaze<br />
wardgenili iyo ramdenime<br />
Rirseuli pirovnebis naSromi,<br />
maT uars eubnebian, imaT ki,<br />
visac moraluri da seqsualuri<br />
gadaxrebi aqvT, gzas uxsnian.<br />
aseve monawileobda vinme<br />
daTo qardava nawarmoebiT,<br />
romlis saTauria `tualetSi<br />
sakiTxavi wigni~(?!).<br />
SevardnaZis periodSic ki<br />
ar xdeboda aseTi ram. ganaTlebis<br />
ministris moadgile<br />
iyo vinme lekveiSvili, romelmac<br />
gamoaqveyna leqsebis<br />
krebuli saTauriT _ `mTvare,<br />
makoce trakze~. maSinve gaagdebines<br />
ministr kartozias.<br />
axla ki amgvar teqstebs ufro<br />
eZleva upiratesoba, vidre<br />
wminda literaturul da akademiur<br />
nawarmoebebs. Cemi<br />
Txovna iqneba, es yvelaferi<br />
gaiTvaliswinon da amgvari<br />
anomaluri teqstebi ar moxvdes<br />
konkursSi.<br />
yvelaferi keTdeba imisTvis,<br />
rom qristianuli citadeli<br />
moangrion. es xelisuflebis<br />
neba-survilicaa, raTa eklesias<br />
avtoriteti Seulaxon.<br />
Cven ver davemsgavsebiT<br />
evropasa da amerikas. maT<br />
TavianTi istoria aqvT.<br />
aseve unda aRiniSnos,<br />
rom evropa ubrundeba<br />
Tavis tradiciebs. moZraoba<br />
daiwyo safrangeTSi,<br />
holandiaSi,<br />
italiaSi nacionaluri<br />
interesebis<br />
dacvisaTvis. es<br />
aucileblobam moitana;<br />
msoflioSi<br />
arsebobs cisferebis<br />
uzarmazari gaerTianebebi,sabWoebi<br />
da yvelafer amas<br />
uweven mfarvelobas.<br />
uzarmazari fuli<br />
ideba. Cvens xelisuflebaSic<br />
araerTia am<br />
tendenciis mqone.<br />
xelSewyobis gareSe<br />
ar moxdeboda araferi.<br />
rati amaRlobeli<br />
aris am konkursis damaarsebeli<br />
da me minda piradad vTxovo<br />
mas, ufro principulad miudges<br />
am yvelafers da iyos<br />
CarTuli Jiuris muSaobaSi.<br />
Jiuris Sedgenis drosac meti<br />
principuloba gamoiCinos. iq<br />
unda iyvnen kritikosebi,<br />
mwerlebi, romlebic kargad<br />
icnoben qarTul mwerlobas,<br />
tendenciebs da ara fsiqologebi<br />
da sxva profesiis warmomadgenlebi.<br />
Tamuna qadagiZe<br />
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