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#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.<br />
jemal davlianiZe<br />
`maTi mizania<br />
gaanadguron<br />
eris cneba~<br />
(zviad gamsaxurdia agrZelebs<br />
saubars korespondentTan)<br />
`-riT ver daimsaxura Tqvenma<br />
xelisuflebam dasavleTis<br />
keTilganwyoba?<br />
-Cven miviswrafodiT damoukidebeli<br />
politikis gatarebisaken.<br />
ar davemorCileT dasavluri<br />
saxelmwifoebis diqtats,<br />
ar viqeciT maTi interesebis<br />
msaxurad, ufro martivad rom<br />
vTqvaT, Cven ar davuSviT, rom<br />
saqarTvelo dasavleTis koloniad<br />
qceuliyo (rac dRes<br />
ukve saxezea! _ j.d.). dasavleTs<br />
ki mxolod iseTi xelisufleba<br />
aZlevda xels, romelic usityvod<br />
aRasrulebda mis nebas. es<br />
iqca erT-erT mizezad samxedro<br />
gadatrialebisa da xelisuflebaSi<br />
centraluri sadazvervo<br />
sammarTvelos (cru) agentisa<br />
da evro-amerikuli imperializmis<br />
pirdapiri agentis e. SevardnaZis<br />
mosvlisa, magram dasavleTis<br />
wyromas Cvens mimarT, kidev<br />
erTi mizezi hqonda, - saxelmwifos<br />
saTaveSi mosulni,<br />
Cven veswrafvodiT erovnuli<br />
kulturis aRorZinebas, xalxis<br />
SekavSirebas erovnuli suliskveTebiT,<br />
raTa mas mTeli siRrmiT<br />
gaecnobierebina, rom gacilebiT<br />
Zveli istoria aqvs, vid-<br />
re bevr evropel xalxs... Cveni<br />
politikis es erovnuli orientacia<br />
ar iwvevda swored saerTo<br />
evropuli saxlis mesveurTa<br />
aRtacebas, radgan oficialuri<br />
dasavleTi (mxedveloba-<br />
Si maqvs xelisuflebani da ara<br />
xalxebi) ebrZvis yovelgvar<br />
erovnul moZraobas. maTi mizania<br />
gaanadguron eris cneba saerTod<br />
da Seqmnan erTiani msoflio<br />
konglomerati saTaveSi<br />
msoflio xelisuflebiT. am<br />
msoflio mTavrobam unda ganagos<br />
qveyniereba da daamyaros<br />
e.w. axali msoflio wesrigi,<br />
risi arsicaa: ganadgureba saxelmwifos<br />
(qristianuli iqneba<br />
is Tu musulmanuri, religias<br />
isini ar aniWeben mniSvnelobas)<br />
damoukideblobisa, genocidi am<br />
qveynebis mosaxleobisa da saboloo<br />
damorCileba mTeli planetisa,<br />
Zalebi, romelTac ekisrebaT<br />
msoflio xelisuflebis batonobis<br />
Semzadeba, sxva qveynebs<br />
ganixilaven mxolod resursebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT. maTi mizania, es<br />
qveynebi TavianTi xalxebiT,<br />
mTavrobebiT, kulturebiTurT<br />
aqcion ubralo teritoriebad,<br />
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.<br />
`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-31<br />
sadac mosaxleobas datoveben<br />
mxolod msoflio elitisaTvis<br />
saWiro raodenobiT. amasTan,<br />
sruliad demoralizebuls, mzadmyofs<br />
misi interesebis samsaxurisaTvis.<br />
am zraxvaTa ganxorcielebas<br />
mxolod xalxTa erovnuli<br />
TviTSegneba da erovnuli<br />
saxelmwifoebis Seqmna SeiZleba<br />
aRudges, amitom ebrZvis dasavleTi<br />
erovnul moZraobebs, amitom<br />
cdilobs eTniuri konfliqtebis<br />
gaCaRebas da omebis<br />
provocirebas. magaliTad, iugoslaviaSi<br />
mimdinare omi maTi namoqmedaria.<br />
es SemTxveviT, stiqiurad<br />
aalebuli konfliqti ki<br />
ar aris, aramed mizanmimarTulad<br />
gaCaRebuli omia, romelSic<br />
unda daiferflon erovnuli<br />
ideis matarebeli xalxebi.<br />
dRes dasavleTs iugoslaviis<br />
modeli dasavleTidan gadaaqvs<br />
kavkasiaSi, sadac balkaneTis<br />
msgavsad xelovnurad<br />
mwvavdeba erovnebaTaSorisi da-<br />
Zabuloba. SemdgomSi xan aq, xan<br />
iq afeTqebuli lokaluri konf-<br />
liqtebi dasavleTs miscemen sababs<br />
pirdapiri samxedro CarevisaTvis<br />
gaerTianebuli erebis<br />
organizaciis ZalTa saxiT. sul<br />
axlaxan gakeTda gancxadeba, rom<br />
nato qmnis swrafi reagirebis<br />
Zalebs asi aTasi kacis SemadgenlobiT,<br />
romelic Caereva msoflios<br />
nebismier regionSi mimdinare<br />
movlenebSi. friad sayuradReboa,<br />
rom amasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
moxsenebuli iqna kavkasia<br />
da iugoslavia... aseTia arsi<br />
axali msoflio wesrigisa da<br />
dasavleTis politikisa, romelnic<br />
mimarTulia msoflios yvela<br />
xalxis TviTmyofadobisa da<br />
damoukideblobis winaaRmdeg.<br />
-batono prezidento, Tqven<br />
ganzraxuli gqondaT iseTi saxelmwifos<br />
aSeneba saqarTvelo-<br />
Si, romelic orientirebuli iqneboda<br />
erovnuli interesebisken.<br />
ra migaCniaT umTavres pirobad<br />
erovnuli saxelmwifos aSenebisaTvis?<br />
-pirvel rigSi aucilebelia<br />
SemuSaveba iseTi meqanizmisa,<br />
romelic uzrunvelyofda qveyanaSi<br />
mosaxle yvela erovnebis<br />
urTierTTanxmobis miRwevas, erovnul<br />
umciresobaTa uflebebis<br />
ganuxrel dacvas... winaaRmdeg<br />
SemTxvevaSi msoflio kosmopo-<br />
lituri Zalebi, romlebzedac<br />
vlaparakobT, usaTuod Seecdebian<br />
romelime erovnebis ukmayofileba<br />
gamoiyenon saxelmwifos<br />
rRvevisaTvis. es maTi nacadi da<br />
qmediTi xerxia. TviTgamokvlevis<br />
principi, rasakvirvelia ar<br />
unda davides absurdamde. magaliTad,<br />
Tu dRes ruseTSi volgispirelma<br />
germanelebma germanuli<br />
saxelmwifos Seqmna moindomes,<br />
es yovlad dauSvebel<br />
moTxovnad unda Sefasdes.<br />
zviad gamsaxurdia:<br />
`erovneba<br />
ara aqvs cxovels~<br />
-ratom qmnidiT mainc da mainc<br />
erovnul saxelmwifos? saerTod,<br />
raSi sWirdeba adamians<br />
erovneba Tqveni TvalsazrisiT?<br />
-swored erovnuli TviTSegneba<br />
aqcevs adamians adamianad.<br />
erovneba ara aqvs cxovels. sarwmunoeba<br />
da erovnebaa is Ziri-<br />
Tadi Tvisebebi, romelnic adamians<br />
sxva sulierisgan ganasxvaveben<br />
da misTvis am gansxvavebuli<br />
Tvisebis warTmeva umZimesi dana-<br />
Saulia adamianis winaSe. dasawyisi<br />
misi, rogorc pirovnebis<br />
degradaciisa. denacionalizacia<br />
winaparTa da warsulis uaryofaa,<br />
adamianis sruli mokveTaa<br />
erovnuli fesvebisgan. kaci adamianur<br />
arss mxolod Tavisi<br />
erovnuli kulturis wiaRSi<br />
inarCunebs. amitom adamianis<br />
kultura ganuyrelad aris dakavSirebuli<br />
mis erovnebasTan,<br />
igi mSobliuri kulturis meSveobiT<br />
eziareba msoflio civilizacias,<br />
amdenad nacionalizacia<br />
adamianisa da denacionalizacia<br />
qveynisa, wyveten maT kav-<br />
Sirebs danarCen samyarosTan da<br />
daucvels toveben msoflio masStabiT<br />
organizebuli kosmopolituri<br />
Zalebis winaSe.<br />
-riT aixsneba dasavleTis<br />
esoden gazrdili interesi kavkasiis<br />
mimarT?<br />
-es regioni Zalze mniSvnelovania<br />
geopolitikuri TvalsazrisiT.<br />
kavkasiis mflobeli<br />
flobs axlo aRmosavleTsac da<br />
aziasac. es, sxvaTa Soris, mudam<br />
esmodaT dasavleTis qveynebs,<br />
ris gamoc brZola kavkasiisaTvis<br />
uZvelesi droidan mimdinareobda<br />
maTsa da ruseTs<br />
Soris. wminda samxedro TvalsazrisiT,<br />
kavkasia warmoadgens<br />
xids dasavleTsa da aRmosavleTs<br />
Soris, romelic metad<br />
aucilebelia orive mxarisaTvis.<br />
ruseTic kavkasias odiTganve<br />
ganixilavda, rogorc mniSvnelovan<br />
geopolitikur placdarms,<br />
magram ruseTi dRes sustdeba<br />
da amitom dasavleTi miiswrafvis<br />
xelidan gamostacos<br />
mas iniciativa, Tavisi gavlena<br />
gaavrcelos am regionSi da moaxdinos<br />
misi okupacia, magram<br />
es SeuZlebelia kavkasiis sruli<br />
`balkanizaciis~ gareSe.<br />
swored am gegmis xorcSesxmi-<br />
saTvis _ kavkasiis meore libanad<br />
gadaqcevisaTvis aris gamogzavnili<br />
SevardnaZe. man, magali-<br />
Tad, amas winaT pirdapir mouwoda<br />
natos, Caerios kavkasiis<br />
saqmeSi.<br />
—rogor afasebT ruseTis<br />
dRevandel xelisuflebas da<br />
mis politikas kavkasiaSi?<br />
-ruseTis politika did zians<br />
ayenebs ara mxolod kavkasiis<br />
xalxebs, aramed Tavad ruseTis<br />
samomavlo interesebsac.<br />
ase magaliTad, elcinis xelisufleba<br />
ar scnobs CrdiloeT<br />
kavkasiis respublikebis damoukideblobas.<br />
igi ver amCnevs, rom<br />
amiT amwvavebs antirusul ganwyobilebas<br />
regionSi. am dros<br />
ki sakmarisia, ruseTma scnos<br />
respublikebis damoukidebloba,<br />
rom maTi saxiT myisve SeiZens<br />
yvelaze erTgul megobrebs,<br />
radgan aq mkafiod ganasxvaveben<br />
elcinsa da ruseTis saxelmwifos<br />
da pirvelisadmi aSkarad<br />
arakeTilganwyobis sapirispirod<br />
garkveul miswrafebas ganicdian<br />
ruseTisadmi, rogorc<br />
mfarvelisadmi dasavluri eqspansiisgan.<br />
zviad gamsaxurdia:<br />
`mudam miveswrafvodiT<br />
mWidro kavSirs<br />
ruseTTan~<br />
-batono prezidento, Tavad<br />
Tqven rogor ekidebiT ruseTs?<br />
-Zalian kargad. vimedovneb,<br />
arc Tqven aigivebT elcinsa da<br />
ruseTs! mmarTvelebi modian da<br />
midian, qveyana ki rCeba. me mimaCnia,<br />
rom roli, romelsac dRes<br />
ruseTi asrulebs kavkasiaSi, ar<br />
Seesabameba missave interesebs<br />
da okeanis gaRmidan aqvs Tavs<br />
moxveuli. CemTvis ar aris ucxo<br />
prorusuli ganwyoba. me mudam<br />
miveswrafvodi mWidro kavSirs<br />
ruseTTan da vocnebobdi saqar-<br />
Tvelos hyoloda bunebrivi mokavSire<br />
am Tavisi <strong>didi</strong> aRmosavleli<br />
mezoblis saxiT, magram<br />
es ar aZlevda xels dasavlur<br />
samyaros da mis morCil xelisuflebas<br />
ruseTisa. isini ganagrZoben<br />
eTniuri konfliqtebis<br />
gaCaRebas kavkasiaSi. Sedegad<br />
Cven vdgavarT am konfliqtebis<br />
did omSi gadazrdis savsebiT<br />
realuri safrTxis winaSe. me<br />
imedi maqvs, konfliqtSi CaTreuli<br />
xalxebis, pirvel rigSi<br />
rusi xalxis saRi azrisa da<br />
gonierebisa. vimedovneb, igi Seignebs,<br />
Tu vin da ra interese-<br />
saerTo gazeTi<br />
mware gakveTilebi<br />
evroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo<br />
ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666<br />
bis karnaxiT ubiZgebs rus jariskacebs<br />
axali kavkasiuri<br />
omis ufskrulisaken. am omSi<br />
verc erTi mxare ver iqneba gamarjvebuli,<br />
mxolod dasavleTi<br />
moiTbobs xels axali omis alze.<br />
me mwams xalxTa sibrZnisa.<br />
es aris ukanaskneli, ramac unda<br />
gvixsnas katastrofisagan~.<br />
zviad gamsaxurdias am pasuxebSi,<br />
ukve yovelive Tavis adgilzea.<br />
naTladaa gamJRavnebuli<br />
evroamerikuli imperializmis<br />
Canafiqri. aRiZvris kiTxva: samxedro<br />
gadatrialebamde, zviad<br />
gamsaxurdiam icoda es yvelaferi<br />
Tu am samxedro putCis Semdgom<br />
mivida aseT daskvnebamde?<br />
pasuxi calsaxaa _ zviadma<br />
adrec icoda evroamerikuli<br />
gegmebis Sesaxeb, magram bolomde<br />
mainc ar sjeroda. amitom<br />
Tavs ikavebda xmamaRali gancxadebebisagan.<br />
evroamerika zviad gamsaxurdias<br />
prezidentobas ki ar ebr-<br />
Zoda, aramed im saqarTvelos, im<br />
ganwyobas, xalxis im erTsulovnebas,<br />
im aRmSeneblobas, im aRmafrenas,<br />
im sulierebas, romelic<br />
ase Zalumad amoifrqva im<br />
wlebSi.<br />
SevardnaZem pirdapiri davaleba<br />
miiRo evroamerikeli ufrosebisgan<br />
_ exelmZRvanela<br />
zviad gamsaxurdias winaaRmdeg<br />
agorebuli saprotesto gamosvlebisaTvis<br />
da gaeZlierebina. Tanac,<br />
umTavresSi TviTonve xels<br />
umarTavdnen. moimarjves presatelevizia,<br />
daiqiraves sulgayiduli<br />
e.w. qarTveli eqspertebi,<br />
politologebi, Jurnalistebi,<br />
mwerlebi, profesorebi, akademikosebi,<br />
yaCaRebi, sisxlis samar-<br />
Tlis damnaSaveebi, gamohyves sa-<br />
Tanado dafinanseba, gamogzavnes<br />
tyvia-wamali, iaraRi...<br />
am saSinel scenaze ki, wina<br />
planze, mTavar rolSi aucileblad<br />
ruseTi unda yofiliyo. evroamerikas<br />
jer sabWoTa kavSir-<br />
Si, Semdgom ki ruseTis federaciaSi,<br />
xelisuflebis zemo eSelonebSi<br />
hyavda sakuTari warmomadgenlebi<br />
da am mxriv uzrunvelyofili<br />
iyo yvelaferi. Zveleburad<br />
aamuSaves kavkasiaSi<br />
moTareSe, fulis mZebneli e.w.<br />
boevikebi. gaavrceles Wori, rom<br />
qarTvelebi arian agresorebi da<br />
surT afxazi da osi xalxebis<br />
genocidi. rac mTavaria, saamisod<br />
ukve <strong>didi</strong> samuSaoebi ukve<br />
Caatara SevardnaZem jer kidev<br />
kompartiaSi, Semdgom ki moskov-<br />
Si muSaobisas.<br />
(gagrZeelba Semdeg nomerSi)<br />
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />
internetSi<br />
www.saertogazeti.net<br />
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />
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