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gaTeTrebis~ politikas treningebis meSveobiT?!<br />
matebuli gaxda. aseTi ram saqa-<br />
rTveloSi ar momxdara da arc<br />
moxdebao, albaT, ver vityviT,<br />
ara? anu swored es aris fulis<br />
gaTeTreba. miT ufro, roca pol-<br />
itikuri partiebi e. w. Semowiru-<br />
lobebiT cocxloben da maTTan<br />
fulis dabandeba rTuli ar aris.<br />
iqneb, erTi precedenti mainc<br />
gaixsenoT, roca prokuratura<br />
aseTi sakiTxiT dainteresda?<br />
_ saintereso sakiTxs SeexeT.<br />
fulis gaTeTrebasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
gamarTuli am Sexvedrebis<br />
arsic is gaxlavT, rom aRniSnuli<br />
saqmeebiT daintereseba unda gamoxatos<br />
prokuraturam, Ss saministrom<br />
da uSiSroebam. kanoni imis<br />
saSualebas iZleva, rom saeWvo<br />
mdgomareobis drosac daiwyos<br />
gamoZieba. aseT SemTxvevaSi mizan-<br />
Sewonilia, rom saxelmwifom aseve<br />
prevenciuli zomebi miiRos. ar<br />
gamigia, es uwyeba aseT sakiTxze<br />
_ Cemi azriT, es eWvi safuZvliania<br />
da cxadia, mec maqvs. fulis<br />
gaTeTreba Tavisi bunebiT<br />
Zalian axlos dgas korufciasTan.<br />
mainc, ra SeiZleba iyos axlad<br />
Seqmnili partiebis mizani? pirvel<br />
rigSi, albaT, fuli. Cven viciT,<br />
rom saxelmwifo biujeti Sesa-<br />
Zleblobas iZleva, arCevnebis periodSi<br />
partiebma dafinanseba miiRon.<br />
aris partiebi, romlebic<br />
parlamentSi ver xvdebian, magram<br />
saxelmwifo maT mainc afinansebs.<br />
arCevnebis Semdeg ki isini wyveten<br />
partiul saqmianobas da aRarafers<br />
akeTeben. amjerad aseT partiebs<br />
ar davasaxeleb, magram mediis<br />
saSualebiT yvelam kargad<br />
icis, vin arian isini. aseTi qmedebac<br />
axlosaa fulis gaTeTrebasTan.<br />
ra Tqma unda, arc amazea aqvs<br />
daintereseba saxelmwifos. aseTi<br />
partiebi, periodulad, arCevnebis<br />
win cocxldebian, fuls akeTe-<br />
enon brali.<br />
_ bolo dros yvela fiqrobs,<br />
rom politikaSi „wasvla”, anu am<br />
procesebSi monawileoba momgebi-<br />
ania. privatul saubrebSi es<br />
xalxi arc imas malavs, rom un-<br />
daT, cota „amoisunTqon” da<br />
fuli iSovon. anu politika fu-<br />
lis saWrel dazgad gadaiqca da<br />
vinc iq midis, faqtobrivad, sak-<br />
uTar keTildReobas iwyobs.<br />
aseve, Riad saubroben imaze, rom<br />
arCevnebis dros, xmis mice-<br />
misTvis, garkveul pirebs fuls<br />
uxdian, aqciebze xalxi fuliT<br />
mihyavT. aseTi ambebs mediasaSualebebSic<br />
aSuqeben da prokura-<br />
turis sammarTvelo, romelic<br />
aseT danaSauls swavlobs, erTxel<br />
mainc ratom ar unda inter-<br />
esdebodes aRniSnuli faqtebiT?<br />
_ kidev erTi saintereso Tema<br />
wamowieT. erTi SexedviT, es ar<br />
aris fulis gaTeTreba, radgan mas<br />
Tema Tavad Tu ar wamovwieT, mas<br />
iq avtomaturad ar daayeneben.<br />
trenings aseve eswrebian ucxoeTidan<br />
Camosuli, am saqmeSi Caxeduli<br />
adamianebi da maT qveynebSi<br />
es rogor xdeba, amasac vikiTxav.<br />
yvelaze riskisSemcvelad, fulis<br />
gaTeTrebis kuTxiT, am etapisTvis<br />
saqarTveloSi bankebia miCneuli,<br />
Semdeg kerZo seqtoris warmomadgenlebi<br />
_ buRaltrebi, auditorebi,<br />
advokatebi... ukve Seqmnilia<br />
saxelmZRvaneloebi ucxo<br />
enebze, rogor unda davicvaT<br />
Tavi fulis gaTeTrebisgan da rogor<br />
vebrZoloT mas. Tu sakiTxisadmi<br />
daintereseba gaizarda,<br />
SeiZleba mere sxva sfero gamoikveTos<br />
da yvelaze safrTxis<br />
Semcvelad CaiTvalos.<br />
_ saadvokato sfero ratom<br />
miiCneva fulis gaTeTrebis mxriv<br />
riskis Semcvelad?<br />
_ Cvenma Tavmjdomarem, zaza<br />
nidan Cauricxon Tanxebi, uTxran,<br />
rom maTi saxeliT SeiZinon esa Tu<br />
is Senoba, an mSeneblobaSi miiRos<br />
monawileoba da wili Cados. aseT<br />
SemTxvevaSi advokati valdebulia,<br />
Tanxis raodenobas, daniSnulebas<br />
daakvirdes da klients hkiTxos,<br />
risTvis unda es Senoba da a.<br />
S. advokatebi ar varT mkvlevargamomZieblebi<br />
da adamianis uflebebs<br />
vicavT, magram aseT dros<br />
kanoni gvavaldebulebs, SevamowmoT,<br />
saeWvo xom ar aris am fulis<br />
buneba? iyo SemTxvevebi, roca<br />
advokatebic gaexvivnen SarSi.<br />
_ xom SeiZleba, advokati<br />
Secdes, moeCvenos, rom mis sax-<br />
elze gadmoricxuli fuli saeWvoa<br />
da konfidencialuri monace-<br />
mebi, am formiT, prokuraturis<br />
xelSi aRmoCndes? aseT dros vin<br />
aris mtyuani da vin _ marTali?<br />
_ diax, advokatma SeiZleba,<br />
saeWvod miiCnios arasaeWvo tran-<br />
`fulis gamTeTrebeli aris piri, romelsac aqvs `Savi fuli~. `Sav fulSi~ igulisxmeba<br />
danaSaulebrivi gziT mopovebuli finansebi, an qoneba. SeiZleba isic, rom fuli ar<br />
iyos danaSaulebrivi, magram arc kanonieri gziT iyos mopovebuli, anu roca<br />
darRveulia administraciuli, an sxva kanonmdebloba da misi gverdis avliT aqvs<br />
miRebuli. magaliTad, roca mewarme damalavs gadasaxads da sagadasaxado<br />
kanonmdeblobis gverdis avliT, saxelmwifosTvis dakanonebuli Semosavlis gadaxdis<br />
gareSe aiRebs Tanxas. im fuls, romelic am formiT darCa, sakuTari<br />
keTildReobisTvis gamoiyenebs da a. S. am mizniT is warmomadgenlobiTi xasiaTis<br />
pirebs daukavSirdeba da maTTan SeTanxmebis Semdeg SeiZenen qonebas, romelSic am<br />
mewarmesac aqvs interesebi. Semdeg man, SeiZleba, axali kompania Seqmnas da es qoneba<br />
partniorul wilSi Cados, is gaasxvisos da a. S., anu kvali arios. arsebobs termini<br />
predikati, rac niSnavs im dausabuTebel, ukanono mdgomareobas, romliTac am<br />
adamianma kvalis areva daiwyo da xeli mihyo ukanonod xelSi Cagdebuli<br />
materialuri resursis gakanonierebas, igive gaTeTrebas. mizani ki is gaxldaT, rom<br />
ukanonobis pirveli saxe damaluliyo. amitomac vambob, rom fulis gamTeTreblis<br />
Secnoba advili ar aris da mas xangrZlivi monitoringi sWirdeba~<br />
aRZrul saqmes iZiebdes. SeiZleba,<br />
ar axmaureben. amitom kargi<br />
iqneba, erTi precedenti mainc<br />
dauSvan da sazogadoebas daanaxvon,<br />
rom es sferoc ar aris miCumaTebuli<br />
da uyuradRebod datovebuli,<br />
anu SerCeviTi samarTali<br />
ar moqmedebs da aRniSnuli<br />
danaSaulis Camdeni yvela kanonierad<br />
isjeba. aq Jurnalistebis<br />
rolic didia. am sakiTxiT Tqven<br />
rom dainteresdiT, Zalian kargia,<br />
radgan saxelmwifo seqtorSi momuSaveebma,<br />
politikaSi CarTulma<br />
adamianebmac unda gaigon imis<br />
Sesaxeb, rom samoqalaqo sazogadoebas<br />
es informaciebi aqvs da,<br />
adre Tu gvian, amasTan dakavSirebiT<br />
kiTxvebs dasvams. me aucileblad<br />
gavacnob aRniSnuli Sexvedris<br />
monawileebs im kiTxvebs,<br />
romlebsac Tqven misvamT da yvelas<br />
vetyvi, rom riskebi ara mxolod<br />
bankebsa da kerZo investorebSia,<br />
aramed politikasa da<br />
saxelmwifo struqturebSic unda<br />
veZeboT.<br />
_ bolo periodSi imasac vxe-<br />
davdiT, arCevnebis win, rogor<br />
iqmneboda sokoebiviT politikuri<br />
partiebi. partias ver Seqm-<br />
ni, Tu garkveuli dafinanseba ar<br />
gaqvs da verc politikur pro-<br />
cesebSi CaerTvebi amis gareSe.<br />
ara mgonia, samarTaldamcvelebi<br />
dainteresebuliyvnen, axlad aR-<br />
mocenebul partiebs saidan gau-<br />
CndaT finansebi? interesi amis<br />
mimarT ratom ar unda iyos?<br />
ben da mere politikur asparezs<br />
toveben.<br />
_ radgan msgavsi sakiTxebiT<br />
aravin interesdeba da precedentsac<br />
ar qmnian aseTi danaSau-<br />
lis gamovlenis, an aRkveTis miz-<br />
niT, ar fiqrobT, rom maT Soris<br />
raRac garigeba, an kavSiric ar-<br />
sebobdes?<br />
_ SesaZlebelia, asec iyos da<br />
maT Sorisac arsebobdes raime<br />
garigeba, aramaterialuri korufcia<br />
da viRacas awyobdes aseTi<br />
partiebis arseboba. unda vaRiaroT,<br />
rom TiTqmis mTeli aRmasrulebeli<br />
xelisufleba moqceulia<br />
xolme qveynis saTaveSi mosuli<br />
politikuri Zalebis gavlenis<br />
qveS. Sesabamisad, SeiZleba, rom am<br />
Zalam gavlena iqonios aRmasrulebel<br />
xelisuflebaze da aravin<br />
gaakaros im partiebs, romlebic<br />
mas e. w. opoziciad surs, rom warmoaCinos.<br />
sinamdvileSi ki es aris<br />
maTgan marTuli, xelSewyobili da<br />
xelSeuxebeli opozicia. rodesac<br />
mas es partiebi dasWirdeba, rogorc<br />
unda, ise gamoiyenebs, magram<br />
visi fuli midis maT jibeebSi?<br />
saxelmwufo biujetSi Tanxebi,<br />
ZiriTadad, gadasaxadebidan Sedis,<br />
romelsac xalxi ixdis. xalxis Segrovili<br />
Tanxebi ki swor saxelmwifo<br />
qmedebebs unda moemsaxuros<br />
da is aravin unda miiTvisos. imdenad<br />
mZimea es mdgomareoba, rom<br />
erTi muxli, romelsac am dana-<br />
Sauls miuyeneb, ar arsebobs. aq<br />
SeiZleba ramdenime muxliT wauy-<br />
N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.<br />
kanonieri saxe ar eZleva, Tumca<br />
roca politikuri miznebisTvis<br />
garkveul pirebs fuli gadaecemaT<br />
da maTi aqtivobebis Sedegad<br />
viRac popularobas moipovebs, an<br />
garkveul legalur samsaxurSi<br />
dakavdeba, SeiZleba, es qmedebebi<br />
fulis gaTeTrebis erT-erT formadac<br />
ganvixiloT. Tumca geTanxmebiT,<br />
rom roca sainformacio<br />
saSualebebiT msgavsi faqtebi ga-<br />
JRerdeba, is aucileblad unda<br />
gaxdes gamoZiebis dawyebis safuZveli<br />
da es kanonSi pirdapir weria.<br />
diax, unda dainteresdnen, Tumca<br />
am interess naklebad vxedavT.<br />
samwuxarod, politikuri sfero<br />
saqarTveloSi marTlac aris xelSeuxebeli<br />
da es kedeli dasangrevia.<br />
am saqmes pirdapir gamo-<br />
ZiebiT Tu ar daiwyeben, SeiZleba,<br />
monitoringi, dakvirveba mainc<br />
daiwyon, radgan Cveni qveynis<br />
cxovrebaSi Tqven mier dasaxelebuli<br />
politikuri procesebi did<br />
gavlenas axdens. aseTi gzebiT vi-<br />
RebT xelisuflebebs da fulis<br />
gaTeTrebebis gziT mosul xelisuflebas<br />
rom ufro meti Sansi<br />
aqvs, igive saqme ukve zeda eSelonebidan<br />
akeTos, egec cnobilia.<br />
uaxloes momavalSi am sakiTxebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT dagegmilia<br />
morigi treningi da rogorc SegpirdiT,<br />
Tqven mier wamoweul Temebs<br />
iq aucileblad ganvixilav.<br />
saerTaSoriso organizaciebi mar-<br />
Talia, am sakiTxebis mimarT Cvens<br />
gaaqtiurebas cdiloben, magram<br />
xatiaSvilma, mkacri gancxadeba<br />
gaakeTa da mec veTanxmebi, rom<br />
advokatis institutis xerxemali<br />
konfidencialurobaa. kanoni ki<br />
gvavaldebulebs, rom Tu saeWvod<br />
miviCnieT Cvens angariSze gadmoricxuli<br />
Tanxebis, honorarebis<br />
warmomavloba da wyaro, maSinve<br />
unda mivmarToT advokatTa asociacias<br />
da isini Tavad mimarTaven<br />
prokuraturis samsaxurs, romelmac<br />
reagireba unda moaxdinos da<br />
garkveuli mokvleva Caataros, aris<br />
Tu ara konkretul SemTxveva-<br />
Si fulis gaTeTrebis niSnebi? albaT,<br />
gainteresebT, ra dros Sei-<br />
Zleba gauCndes advokats aseTi<br />
eWvi?<br />
saqme is aris, rom advokatma,<br />
SeiZleba, 50 aTasi laris farglebSi<br />
miiRos Tanxa da daniSnulebad<br />
miTiTebuli iyos honorari.<br />
sinamdvileSi ki es fuli<br />
gankuTvnili iyo imisTvis, rom<br />
gaTeTrdes. principi aseTia, klientis<br />
mizania, advokats es fuli<br />
bankidan gamoataninos, mere Seu-<br />
Tanxmdes da garkveuli nawili,<br />
ukve legalizebuli, ukan daibrunos;<br />
an advokatma misi saxeliT<br />
romelime kompaniaSi wili SeiZinos,<br />
mSeneblobaSi Cados da a. S.<br />
mkiTxvelisTvis es procesi ufro<br />
naTeli rom gaxdes, vityvi, rom<br />
advokats ufleba aqvs, arasaadvokato<br />
saqmianobac ganaxorcielos<br />
_ iyos warmomadgeneli sxva<br />
qveyanaSi myofi adamianebisa da<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, mas sxva qvey-<br />
zaqcia da am mizniT gaasajaroos<br />
da Sesabamis samsaxurs klientis<br />
Sesaxeb informacia miawodos.<br />
aseT dros misi moqmedeba konfidencialurobis<br />
darRveva iqneba<br />
da ar aris gamoricxuli, Tu<br />
eTikis komisiaSi saCivari Semovida,<br />
misi licenziis SeCerebamdec<br />
ki mivides saqme. amitom advokati<br />
unda Seecados, ar daarRvios es<br />
principi, magram arc ise gaakeTos,<br />
rom vinmes danaSaulebrivi qmedebis<br />
msxverpli aRmoCndes. man<br />
klientTan urTierTobisas oqros<br />
Sualedi unda gamonaxos, romlis<br />
dacvac mis profesionalizmze<br />
miuTiTebs.<br />
_ dabolos, fulis gaTeTreb-<br />
is sqemebi yvelaze metad rogor<br />
qveynebSi muSaobs? iq xom ara,<br />
sadac sagadasaxado sistema ka-<br />
baluria, siRaribea, saxelmwifo<br />
sakuTari moqalaqeebisgan mxolod<br />
iTxovs da Tavad ar exmare-<br />
ba?<br />
_ fulis gaTeTrebis sqemebi<br />
sxvadasxva qveynebsaa modebuli da<br />
mxolod erT qveyanaSi ar TeTrdeba.<br />
fuli TeTrdeba bankebisa<br />
Tu sxva saSualebebis gamoyenebiT<br />
qveynidan qveyanaSi da amitom<br />
Zalian rTulia imis Tqma, fulis<br />
gaTeTreba daiwyo iaponiaSi, CineTSi,<br />
magram misi Camdeni yofila<br />
rusi an sxva qveynis warmomadgeneli.<br />
masSi ramdenime adamiani, an<br />
jgufia CarTuli da xSirad er-<br />
Tiani ZalisxmeviT aRwevs Sedegs.<br />
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