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CadebaSi adanaSaulebs
gia yaryaraSvili
damagdes. erT-erTs fexi erT majaze
udevs da meores _ meore xelze,
iaraRi Cemze zed aqvs modebuli.
vuTxari, _ gawie eg iaraRi,
aqedan ar gagivardes-meTqi. mere
manqanaSi Camtenes da wamiyvanes
(sanam mividodiT, policiis manqana
iq misulia da gvelodebian, es
kadrebi Senaxulia. dawerili aqvT,
rom operatiuli informacia Semovida
da amis safuZvelze gamovediTo).
meore dRes „kapezedan” gamiSveben-meTqi.
_ ara, jer narkologiuridan
pasuxi ar mosula, axla
metadons dagalevinebT (programa-
Si var), SeiZleba, pasuxi gzaSi
dagvawion da gzidanve gagiSvebTo.
_ am dros Tqveni megobari sad
aris?
_ isic iqvea, CemTan erTad ayvanilia,
Semowmebac gaiara. migviyvanes,
„metadoni” davlieT, ukan wamogviyvanes.
isev „kapezedan” gagiSvebeno.
ukve qalaqis sammarTvelo-
Si varT.
Secdoma davuSvi, rom daWeris
Semdeg maSinve eqspertiza ar Cavitare.
es idayvi, etyoba, damartymevines
da mas mere sul mtkiva.
axla amaze saubars azric aRar
aqvs, imdeni dro gavida. es Secdoma
davuSvi, mas mere es adgili sul
mawuxebs.
gavagrZeloT: cota xanSi mesmis,
rom gverdiTa saknidan megobars
uSveben. albaT, mec gamiSveben-meTqi.
dro gadis, ar miSveben, gangaSi
avtexe. „kapezes” ufrosi movida, _
ra ariso? _ guSin damakaves, narkologiurSi
gadamiyvanes, analizebi
Cavabare, araferi mqonda, amdeni
xani aq ratom maCereben-meTqi?
_ araferi gqondao? _ ara, saerTod
araferi-meTqi. _ egeni giJebi
xom ar ariano? etyoba, aqeTiqiT
gadareka da naxevar saaTSi
„kameras” miReben. viReb, rac mqonda,
_ ara, datoveo. _ prokurori
da gamomZiebelia mosulio. _ ra
xdeba-meTqi? _ me ar vicio. amiyvanes
sxva oTaxSi. prokurori meubneba,
_ danaSauls ar aRiarebo? _
bodiSi, magram, iqneb, gamarkvioT,
ra danaSaulia-meTqi? _ rogor,
„insulinis” Sprici rom gqonda, ar
icio? gamikvirda, _ ra insulinis
Sprici, araferi mqonia, meRadavebi
Tu marTla ras meubnebi-meTqi?
rogorc Sen gqonda, ise me mqonda
eg „insulinis” Sprici-meTqi.
_ damiwere, rom Cagides, dumi-
lis uflebas iyenebo da a. S. amas
prokurori meubneba. aiRebs am
telefons, gava, sadRac rekavs,
Semova da, _ raRac mainc damiwer-
eo. _ wera ar vici da verafers
dagiwer-meTqi. _ maSin pirovnebas
SemoviyvanT, ukarnaxe da mere da-
eTanxmeo.
_ iciT ras getyviT, werac vici
da kiTxvac, magram araferi mqonia
da amitom arafers davwer-meTqi.
arc Cadebaze da arc dumilis uflebaze
saerTod arafers vwermeTqi.
mokled, meCaliCebian, rom
raRac mainc davwero, magram dRemde
ise var, rom am saqmeSi araferi
damiweria. saerTod, wertili da
mZimec ki ar maqvs dasmuli. mere
aRkveTis RonisZiebis Sefardebaze
rom mimiyvanes, amas ramdeni dro
sWirdeba? 15-20 wuTi, ha da ha, yvelaze
meti, naxevari saaTi, magdenic
ki ar unda. am dros mosamarTle
am aRkveTis gamotanas 2 saaTi da
50 wuTi mounda.
_ ase ratom moxda?
_ etyoba, mosamarTle mTlian
saqmes Caujda, yvelaferi naxa. Tan
Tqven warmoidgineT, am dros pirobiTis
qveS var da mosamarTle 2
aTasi laris giraos mifardebs; danaSauls,
ra Tqma unda, ar vaRiareb
(ar mqonia da ratom unda vaRiaro?)
da gareT miSvebs. bolos es
mosamarTle kurtaniZe meubneba, _
Sen marTali xar, miaweqi da mag
Sens simarTles, gaitano. procesi
rom damTavrda, amaze mosamarTlem
mere miTxra. am kacma iseTi nabiji
gadadga, romelic yvela wesierma
mosamarTlem unda gaakeTos.
_ gadawyvetilebas safuZvlad
ra daedo?
_ rac masalebSi naxa, rogorc
namdvilma iuristma, gadawyvetileba
amis mixedviT miiRo. procesze
Tqva kidevac, _ aq araferia
dasabuTebuli da me ver vxedav
iseTs, rom am pirovnebas patimroba
Sevufardoo. anu ise moiqca,
rogorc yvela wesieri mosamar-
Tle unda iqceodes. mokled, saqme
isec ver Semikeres, rom davepatimrebine.
saqmeSi iseTi raRacebi ewera,
rom Cemi dapatimrebis aranair
safuZvels ar iZleoda. mand rom
rame iseTi yofiliyo, mosamarTle
ar gamiSvebda.
_ raodenoba rogor iyo mi-
TiTebuli?
_ 0,0000020 ml/gr. „metadoni”. aq
saintereso kidev ra aris: viTom,
megobarsac „insulinis” Sprici
hqonda, masTan wyali amovida da
CemsaSi _ „metadoni”. misi „insulinis”
Sprici wiTeli iyo da Cemi _
yavisferi. praqtikaSi yavisferi
„insulini” saerTod ar arsebobs,
aseTi ram aravis unaxavs. jer sad
mqonda, magram aseTi ramec ar arsebobs,
_ ori momxmarebeli erTad
iyos, Spricebi iyidos, wamali unda
gaikeTos, misi Sprici yviTelia da
Cemi yavisferi („insulini”). Tu
N13 (190) 11.04-24.04.2017 w.
yidulob, gasagebia, rom orives
erTnairs yidulob da ase, mas wyali
amouvida da me _ „metadoni”.
sxva aranairi mtkicebuleba ar
gaaCniaT, arc video da arc sxva
araferi. erTaderTi e. w. mtkicebuleba,
maT mier qaRaldze dawerili,
carieli sityvebia. rogorc
ukve vTqvi, arc samxaraulis eqspertizis
daskvnaa. es eqspetiza
verc sakuTari ZalebiT Cavatare,
radgan 1800 lari momTxoves da
amis saSualeba ar mqonda.
_ eqspertiza TviTon ratom ar
Caatares?
_ ar Caatares, radgan icodnen,
rom es Sprici xelSi ar mWeria.
samxaraulis biuro ver daamtkicebda,
rom me es xelSi mqonda.
mokled, mosamarTle kurtaniZem
2000-lariani girao Semifarda da
gamaTavisufla.
_ Semdeg procesi rogor gagr-
Zelda?
_ es procesi axlac midis. dResac
rom mivediT, mosamarTlem _
saproceso SeTanxmebaze ar TanxmdebiTo?
pirvelad ar var daWerili.
roca damnaSave viyavi, miRiarebia,
rom damnaSave var, magram
roca damnaSave ar var, es ratom
unda vaRiaro?
prokurori advokats sityvis
Tqmas arc ki acdis xolme da mosamarTlem
eg rom Tqva, prokurors
amaze saerTod xma ar amouRia.
advokatma uTxra, _ aranairi
saproceso SeTanxmeba ar moxdebao.
amaze arc waval! ratom unda wavide
saprocesoze, roca marTali
var? wyaliviT sufTa var am saqme-
Si da bolomde unda gavmarTlde.
_ Tqven Cadebaze rom saub-
robT, es ra mizniT moxda?
_ vfiqrob, rom es yvelaferi
Cemi megobris SemTxvevas ukavSirdeba.
_ ra moxda?
_ daaxloebiT erTi wlis winaT
megobari mewvia. erTi saRamo Ce-
mTan saxlSi darCa, meore saRamos
policia movida da daiWires. manamde,
Turme, Zebnili iyo da amis
Sesaxeb ar vicodi. ukve Cemi dakavebisas
nucubiZis quCis policiis
ufrosma mkiTxa, _ ver micanio?
_ saidan unda gicnobdeT-meTqi? _
ai, maSin, Tqveni megobris dakavebisas
SevxvdiTo. amitom vifiqre,
rom yvelaferi erTmaneTTan kav-
SirSia. etyoba, vinc iq mimiyvana da
es speqtakli dadga, maTTan maxsena
da uTxres, rom es kaci dagvaWerineo.
Cemi Tavi ase daaWerines,
magram is ar gaTvales, rom rogorc
adre yofila, „gamitarebia”
da xma ar amomiRia, axlac yvelafers
aseve „gavatarebdi”.
vimeoreb, adre damnaSave vyofilvar
da miRiarebia kidec, xazs
vusvam, axla aRar var damnaSave da
aRar „gavutareb”. aq swored im
policiis ufrosis interesze
vsaubrob. SeiZleba, raRac sxva
interesic iyos, ris Sesaxebac me ar
vici. Cems binaSi megobris dakavebis
ambavi mixsena da ase amitom
vfiqrob, Torem masTan adre Sexeba
ar mqonia.
`vcxovrob TbilisSi, var omis veterani. 1988-89 wlebidan
moyolebuli general gia yaryaraSvilis TanamebrZoli viyavi.
samaCablodan dawyebuli, afxazeTiT gagrZelebuli, yvela omSi
vibrZodi. gansakuTrebul specoperaciebSi vmonawileobdi, rasac
`TeTri arwivi~ axorcielebda. erTxel me da gia rusebma da
osebma alyaSi mogvaqcies da gamovaRwieT. specoperacia
tardeboda, romelic wesiTa da rigiT, ar unda gaxmaurebuliyo.
Cvenamde iq dazverva Sevida da gviTxra, rom gza sufTa ariso.
Ramis 4-5 saaTi iyo da saswaulad bneloda. Cvenze win Sesuli
teqnikidan erT-erTi agvifeTqda, - Turme, iqauroba sul
danaRmuli yofila. am dros, dazverva gveubneba, gza sufTa
ariso. Cven ukan `Ramurebis~ (`letuCie miSi~) specialuri jgufi
modioda. axla ar vici, aseTi dajgufeba kidev aris Tu ara. is
sofel niqozSi, aeroportis dasaxlebasTan idga~
_ am situaciaSi gamosavali ra
aris?
_ gamosavali is aris, rom CemTan
dakavSirebuli faqti rac
ufro gaxmaurdeba, amis Sesaxeb
rac ufro bevri xalxi gaigebs, miT
ufro ver gadawyveten da gabedaven
araswori, usamarTlo ganaCenis
gamotanas.
_ prokurori ras iTxovs?
_ prokurors saproceso SeTanxmeba
surs, magram, rogorc aRvniSne,
amaze uars vambob. bolomde
samarTlianobisTvis vibrZvi. vnaxoT,
albaT, RmerTi ar gamwiravs.
_ pirobiTi sasjeli kidev ram-
den xans geqnebaT?
_ sami weli. davdivar, darRveva
saerTod ar maqvs. wesierad mivdivar
da movdivar. mere es yvelaferi,
sasamarTloebi rom dasruldeba,
gamoricxulia, me aq ar
gamaCereben. policia gadamekideba,
radgan mTel sistemas vejaxebi.
amitom ucxoeTSi TavSesafari unda
moviTxovo, aq sxva gamosavals
ver vxedav. amas germaniaSi vapireb.
_ ratom ar gagaCereben?
_ jer axla ar masveneben da
mere ras izamen? araferi damTavrebula
da quCaSi marto ver gavdivar.
_ quCaSi ra xdeba?
_ vinc damakava, is TanamSromlebi
xan gldanSi Semxvdnen (vakesaburTalos
TanamSromlebi arian),
xan _ varkeTilSi. es yvelaferi SemTxveviT
ar xdeba. Ramis or saa-
Tze rom Segxvdebian manqaniT varkeTilSi,
e. i. damyvebian, bevrjer
vefeTebiT xolme. davinaxe, suraTebic
gadamiRes, amitom merec
ar damanebeben Tavs. vis SeSvebian
rom? _ arc aravis.
_ „Cadebis” mankier sistemas ra
eSveleba?
_ is eSveleba, rom yvela ise
unda moiqces, rogorc, magaliTad,
me viqcevi, _ gavaxmaure, axlac vaxmaureb,
yvelanair saprocesoze
kategoriuli winaaRmdegi var...
albaT, am gziT Tu eSveleba am mankierebas,
Torem sxvanairad Sedegi
ar iqneba. kidev ras getyviT, iciT:
arc saakaSvilis reJimi iyo wminda
wylis. erTi isaa, rom maSinac Cadeba
iyo, magram ara ise masobrivad,
rogorc axla. Cems SemTxvevaSi, ase
rigiTi qveganyofilebis ufrosi
rom wyvets, me Camidos Tu ara, ma-
Sin ase ar iyo. maSin amas wyvetda
ministri da ministris moadgile.
axla rigiTi qveganyofilebis ufrosi
Tu ityvis, rom CavudoTo,
Cagideben kidec. da imasac viRac
mfarvelobs, aba, ise veravin gabedavda.
_ masobrivad ratom xdeba?
_ imitom, rom qveyanaSi araswori
politikaa, arasworad iqcevian.
namdvilad ar megona, rom
Cadebebi am doneze iqneboda. es
iqidan gamomdinare, rom, ase Tu
ise, mTavrobaSi iseTi xalxi movida,
eka beseliaTi dawyebuli... dRe
da moswreba advokati iyo da yvelas
gvaxsovs, sanam xelisufleba-
Si movidoda, Cadebaze erT ambavs
rom texda xolme. axla, ratomRac,
yvela dadumebulia.
_ ra mizani aqvT?
_ me rogorc mgonia, xalxSi Si-
Sis daTesva surT, rom sazogadoeba
daimorCilon. iseve, rogorc
wina xelisuflebis dros iyo damorCilebuli,
garkveuli SiSi hqondaT
da amaTac ase undaT. magram
SiSis daTesva araswori politikaa,
aramarTebulia, miT umetes, aseTi
gziT yovlad Seusabamoa. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, moqalaqe policiasTan
mimarTebiT yovelTvis araproporciul
damokidebulebaSia. miT
umetes, mowmeebi mxolod policielebi
arian. SegiZlia, im dros
moqalaqes dauZaxo da saqmeSi mowmed
gamoiyvano. Tu yvelafers sufTad
akeTeb, es kanoniT SegiZlia
da uflebac gaqvs. ratom ar iyeneb
moqalaqes?
dakavebisas Zirs rom dagvyares
da moqalaqe movida, gamoagdes (anu
mowme), _ aqedan Cqara gadiT, specoperacia
tardebao! axlosac ar
mouSves. amitom gamosavali aRniSnuli
mankierebis winaaRmdeg brZolaa,
rom es Wiri erTad davamarcxoT.
yvelam ase rom ibrZolos,
Sedegi dadgeba.
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