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qveyanaSi ganviTarebul movlenebze<br />
„qronika+”-s esaubreba parla-<br />
mentis wevri, qalbatoni salome<br />
samadaSvili:<br />
_ mcocavi okupaciis pirobebSi<br />
qveyana kargavs aTeul heqtrobiT<br />
miwas, kargavs ubrZolvelad. brZolaSi<br />
maincdamainc oms ar vgulisx-<br />
ob, aramed, brZolas, xmis amoRebas,<br />
gangaSs, Cven vkargavT Cumad, xmis<br />
amouReblad. Tu ase gagrZelda,<br />
sadamde migviyvans es procesi? cen-<br />
tralur avtomagistralamde ori<br />
nabijia darCenili, erTi gadmowevac<br />
da saqarTvelo Suaze gaglejili<br />
aRmoCndeba.<br />
_ realurad ruseTi axorcielebs<br />
Cveni qveynis aneqsias. erTi mxriv,<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze xdeba<br />
separatistuli reJimebis samxedro,<br />
oficialuri struqturebis STanTqma<br />
ruseTis federaluri struqturebis<br />
mier da meore mxriv, mimdinareobs<br />
es mcocavi okupacia. ruse-<br />
Tis am qmedebebs ori daniSnuleba<br />
aqvs: banerebis gadmoweviT ruseTi<br />
qarTul mxares aiZulebs, daiwyos<br />
saubari sazRvris demarkaciaze. pirdapir<br />
gveubneba, _ ar gindaT demarkaciaze<br />
saubari? ki batono, maSin<br />
kidev gadmovwev sazRvars. amasTan<br />
erTad, ruseTi am procesiT cdilobs,<br />
ususurobis SegrZneba gauCinos<br />
Cvens sazogadoebas _ sweven<br />
sazRvars, itaceben Cvens teritoriebs<br />
da Cven verafers vakeTebT maT<br />
SesaCereblad. samwuxarod, es yvelaferi<br />
SesaZlebeli gaxda mxolod imitom,<br />
rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebam<br />
dakarga xuTi weliwadi. gansakuTrebiT<br />
ukanaskneli 4 weliwadi,<br />
radgan ukrainaSi mimdinare movlenebis<br />
Sedegad Seiqmna imgvari saer-<br />
TaSoriso viTareba, rom Cven SegveZlo<br />
Cveni interesebis Zalian momgebianad<br />
pozicionireba, magram saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebam es Sansi xelidan<br />
gauSva da swored amitom, am<br />
bolo wlebSi, saerTaSoriso asparezze<br />
ruseTis yvela aseTi qmedeba<br />
upasuxod rCeba. rodesac ruseTs<br />
ukrainis gamo sanqciebi dauwesda,<br />
Cvens xelisuflebas imaze unda ezruna,<br />
rom saerTaSoriso konteqstSi<br />
saqarTvelos problema moazrebuliyo<br />
ukrainis problemasTan erTad.<br />
am SemTxvevaSi, cxadia, ruseTze zegavlenis<br />
moxdenis bevrad meti berketi<br />
gveqneboda. Cveni xelisufleba<br />
araTu ar zrunavda amaze, rom saqarTvelos<br />
problema ukrainis problemasTan<br />
erTad moazrebuliyo, piriqiT,<br />
yvelanairad cdilobda, rom<br />
gamijnuliyo ukraina da saqarTvelo.<br />
garda amisa, dRevandelma xelisuflebam<br />
araerTxel daadanaSaula<br />
qarTuli mxare am konflqitis inspiraciaSi,<br />
TiTi gaiSvira sakuTari,<br />
wina xelisuflebisken, Seqmna pirdapiri<br />
milaparakebebis formati rusebTan<br />
da, faqtobrivad, gamoacxada,<br />
rom xelewifeba urTierTobebis dalageba<br />
ruseTTan da a. S. Sedegad,<br />
CamoiSala yvelaferi da Cven, praqtikulad,<br />
aRarc dagvrCa ruseTze<br />
zegavlenis moxdenis aranairi berketi.<br />
yvela vxedavT, saqarTvelos sakiTxi<br />
aRar dgas saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis<br />
dRis wesrigSi. am bolo<br />
wlebSi arc erT maRali donis Sexvedraze,<br />
saqarTvelos Sesaxeb aravin<br />
aRar saubrobs. gekiTxebiT, ra berketi<br />
SeiZleba hqondes saqarTvelos<br />
ruseTze, Tu ara saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis<br />
mobilizacia, rac, samwuxarod,<br />
am xelisuflebam ver moaxerxa?<br />
_ ver moaxerxa, Tu ar moaxerxa?<br />
ecada ki saerTod?<br />
_ samwuxarod, dRevandel xelisuflebas<br />
politikur dakveTas aZlevs<br />
ara qarTveli xalxi, aramed biZina<br />
ivaniSvili. Cven kargad gvaxsovs, rac<br />
ganacxada man, rogorc ki gamovida<br />
politikur asparezze. ivaniSvilma<br />
imTaviTve brZana, rom saqarTvelo<br />
ar unda yofiliyo ganxeTqilebis<br />
sagani ruseTsa da dasavleTs Soris,<br />
rom saqarTvelo patara sofelia da<br />
ver iqneba globaluri politikis<br />
moTamaSe. cxadia, es dakveTa warmatebiT<br />
Seasrula sagareo gundma,<br />
16<br />
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597 94 42 50<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
romelic daqiravebuli hyavs piradad<br />
biZina ivaniSvils da ara qarTvel<br />
xalxs. amis Sedegia is, rom dRes<br />
gvaqvs iseTi pasiuri diplomatia,<br />
rogoric arasodes, yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, im cxra wlis manZilze, rodesac<br />
„erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />
marTavda am qveyanas. amis Sedegia is,<br />
rom saqarTvelos saxeli, ubralod,<br />
arsad aRar WaWanebs. imitom, rom es<br />
diskomforts uqmnis biZina ivaniSvils.<br />
mas surs, rom saqarTveloze<br />
rac SeiZleba naklebi isaubron. amis<br />
Sedegia is, rom dazianebulia Cveni<br />
saxelmwifo interesebi. dauSvebelia<br />
qveynis sagareo politikis warmarTva<br />
konkretuli oligarqis interesebidan<br />
gamomdinare da saxelmwifo interesebis<br />
sawinaaRdegod.<br />
_ Tqven gancxadeba gaakeTeT<br />
dRevandel sagareo saqmeTa minis-<br />
trze, mas yvelaze ususuri sagar-<br />
eo saqmeTa ministri uwodeT damo-<br />
ukidebeli saqarTvelos istoriaSi,<br />
moskovSi momzadebuli biurokrati,<br />
romlis misia dasavleTSi inte-<br />
`xelisuflebam<br />
graciis miTis qveS, realurad, am<br />
qveynis ruseTisTvis Cabarebaa. mco-<br />
cavi okupaciis fonze, am xelisu-<br />
flebis sruli siCume aris Tu ara<br />
unisonSi kremlis interesebTan?<br />
_ 2008 wels elCi viyavi evrokav-<br />
SirSi. agvistos omis dros umZimesi<br />
dapirispireba iyo, maT Soris, diplomatiuri,<br />
warmoebda sainformacio<br />
omi da Seudarebeli iyo Cveni da<br />
ruseTis resursebi, maT Soris, adamianuri<br />
resursebic. Tavad gansajeT,<br />
Cvens saelCoSi, Cemi CaTvliT, 8<br />
diplomati vmuSaobdiT da ruseTis<br />
misiaSi _ 200-mde diplomati. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, Cven maSin diplomatiuri<br />
omi da sainformacio omi movugeT<br />
ruseTs swored imitom, rom es iyo<br />
Zalian didi SemarTebis diplomatiuri<br />
gundi da politikuri dakveTa<br />
gaxldaT sruliad sxva. saqarTvelos<br />
sakiTxi mudmivad dRis wesrigSi unda<br />
yofiliyo da Cven amisTvis vmuSaobdiT.<br />
da dRes ra xdeba? ramdeni welia,<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSia,<br />
sadme iwereba rame saqarTvelos<br />
okupirebul teritorebze?<br />
rodesac ukrainaze saubroben, saubroben<br />
paralelur reJimSi saqar-<br />
Tveloze?<br />
_ erTaderTi, rac gvaxsendeba<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze, esaa<br />
Canaweri aSS-s biujetSi, magram es<br />
Cvenma xelisuflebam, mgoni, Cems<br />
Semdeg gaigo da amisTvis maT arc<br />
araferi gaukeTebiaT.<br />
_ diax, es Tavad amerikeli kongresmenebis<br />
iniciativiT gakeTda.<br />
ruseTis amocanaa, miiviwyos es konfliqti<br />
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobam,<br />
Segvaguon imas, rom es momxdari<br />
faqtia da am realobas veravin<br />
Secvlis. amis winaaRmdeg Cvens xel-<br />
Si erTaderTi iaraRi aris ukiduresad<br />
aqtiuri diplomatia, romlic<br />
gangaSis atexvas SeZlebs saerTa-<br />
Soriso asparezze. swored amas ar<br />
akeTebs dRevandeli xelisufleba<br />
da, ra Tqma unda, es pirdapir emTxveva<br />
ruseTis interesebs. ruseTis<br />
saboloo mizani regionidan dasavle-<br />
Tis sruli gandevnaa. cxadia, Cveni<br />
qveyana statikur mdgomareobaSi ver<br />
gaCerdeba. saqarTvelo an kidev<br />
ufro unda dauaxlovdes transatlantikur<br />
sivrces, an bunebrivad<br />
moeqceva ruseTis gavlenis qveS.<br />
saqarTvelos Tavis geografiuli<br />
mdebareobidan da politikuri, ekonomikuri<br />
realobidan gamomdinare<br />
ar aqvs imis fufuneba, rom neitraluri<br />
iyos da Sesabamisad, yoveli<br />
nabiji, romelic xels uSlis Cvens<br />
qveyanaSi dasavleTis gaZlierebas,<br />
maT Soris konfliqtebis mogvarebis<br />
Segnebulad araswori<br />
informacia miawoda<br />
diplomatebs saokupacio<br />
xazTan dagegmili<br />
aqciis Sesaxeb~<br />
mimarTulebiT, es aris pirdapir<br />
ruseTis interesebis gaZlierebisken<br />
mimarTuli nabijebi. Cemi wyaroebidan<br />
informacia maqvs, rom saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebam dasavlel diplomatebTan<br />
axla daiwyo saubari<br />
imaze, rom ruseTis winaaRmdeg evropuli<br />
sanqciebis konteqstSi, saqarTveloc<br />
unda iyos moazrebuli ukrainis<br />
gverdiT. ras uyurebdnen 4 weliwadi?<br />
ramdeni welia, rac Cven<br />
vyviriT, rom es ase unda iyos!!! da<br />
mxolod axla daiwyes Zalian Cumad<br />
amaze saubari dasavlel diplomatebTan.<br />
mixvdnen, Tu amas ar gaakeTeben,<br />
Cveni sazogadoeba, bolos<br />
da bolos, mixvdeba, rac xdeba.<br />
_ bolos dros imaze saubroben,<br />
rom ivaniSvils urTierToba daeZaba<br />
ruseTTan da dasavlel diplo-<br />
matebTan. mag Temaze saubris dawyeba<br />
amasac xom ar ukavSirdeba? Cven es<br />
periodi gamoviareT, rodesac igive<br />
SevardnaZe eweoda dabalansebis<br />
politikas _ ruseTs dasavleTTan<br />
urTierTobiT aSantaJebda da dasav-<br />
leTs _ ruseTTan urTierTobiT.<br />
_ rodesac vuyureb imas, rac<br />
dRes xdeba qveyanaSi, rodesac vxedavT<br />
patriotTa aliansis voiaJs moskovSi,<br />
vxedavT am qarTvelTa marSs,<br />
romelic sinamdvileSi moskovSi dagegmili<br />
marSia, radgan aseTi Temebis<br />
gaaqtiureba swored ruseTis pirdapir<br />
interesebSia, miCndeba gancda,<br />
rom dRes saqarTveloSi Cvens Sidapolitikur<br />
procesebze rusuli zegavlenis<br />
axali faza aqtiurdeba da<br />
swored amis Sedegia prorusuli<br />
Zalebis ukve Zalian Ria da aSkara aqtivobebi.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tu vinmes interesebSia,<br />
rom awarmoos dabalansebis<br />
politika, es marTlac ivaniSvilia.<br />
axla dgeba is momenti, rodesac<br />
uaxlos momavalSi, politikur avanscenaze,<br />
kidev da kidev, ufro aqtiurad<br />
gamovlen Riad prorusuli Zalebi,<br />
kremlis pirdapiri proeqtebi.<br />
_ anu ruseTs asparezze sxva<br />
prorusuli rusuli Zalebi gamohyavs da<br />
„ocneba” axlaRa iwyebs dasavleTTan<br />
muSaobas im sakiTxebze, razedac,<br />
Tavis droze, unda daewyo?<br />
_ rTulia imaze saubari, ras<br />
fiqrobs ivaniSvili. erTaderTi,<br />
aSkaraa, rom igi dRes erideba politikur<br />
procesebSi Riad monawileobas.<br />
Znelia imaze saubari, ratom<br />
iqceva ase, magram SesaZlebelia, igi<br />
qveyanaSi politikuri viTarebis imgvarad<br />
ganviTarebas elodeba, romelTan<br />
asocirebac mas ar awyobs da<br />
distancirebas amjobinebs. rac Seexeba<br />
TviTon dRevandeli xelisuflebis<br />
qmedebebs, amaze saubaric<br />
aranakleb rTulia. am xelisuflebis<br />
wiaRSi sxvadasxva dajgufeba, sxvadasxva<br />
mimdinareobaa, yvela maTgans<br />
Tavisi interesebi aqvs da im interesebidan<br />
gamomdinare moqmedebs.<br />
amitomacaa rTuli imis Sefaseba, Tu<br />
ra aris maTi politika. faqtia, raRac<br />
wyalqveSa moZraobebia da es, albaT,<br />
imasac ukavSirdeba, rom ivaniSvili<br />
Riad da aSkara instruqciebs ar<br />
iZleva.<br />
_ araformaluridan uCinmaCin<br />
mmarTvelobaSi gadavediT.<br />
_ diax, rogorc Cans, is Riad aRar<br />
aZlevs instruqciebs da arc imas<br />
gamovricxav, rom konkretul pirebs<br />
dRevandel xelisuflebaSi kargad<br />
arc esmiT, ra aris politikuri dakveTa.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, bevrma,<br />
SesaZloa, Secdomac dauSvas da Semdeg,<br />
rodesac ivaniSvili Seafasebs<br />
maT qmedebebs, SeiZleba, daisajon<br />
kidec amisTvis.<br />
_ „patriotTa aliansis” moskov-<br />
Si vizits mZafri Sefasebebi mohyva,<br />
Sefasda Ralatadac, Tumca iyo mo-<br />
sazrebebic, rom es viziti arafers<br />
moitans da ar Rirs amxela mniSvnelobis<br />
miniWeba. realurad, ra Sei-<br />
Zleba moitanos am tipis vizitma?<br />
_ „patriotTa alianss” ar ganvixiliav<br />
„qarTuli ocnebisgan” gancalkevebiT.<br />
„patriotTa aliansi”<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” radikaluri gan-<br />
Stoebaa, romelsac raRac safrTxobelis<br />
roli akisiria, igive dasavle-<br />
Tis TvalSic, rom ai, arsebobs aseTi<br />
ultrapopulisturi Zala, romelic<br />
pirdapir aris kavSirze ruseTTan.<br />
swored amitomac Seuwyo maT xeli<br />
xelisuflebam, dRes parlamentSic<br />
arian da sakmaod moZlierdnen kidec.<br />
xelisuflebas rom es ar surdes, sxvanairad<br />
iTamaSebda maTTan mimarTebiT,<br />
magram xelisufleba maT pirdapir<br />
exmareba, exmareba, radgan swored<br />
maTi daxmarebiT „qarTuli ocneba”<br />
Tavs warmoaCens centristul<br />
politikur Zalad, dasavleTisa da<br />
ruseTis urTierTobaSi. Sesabamisad,<br />
es voiaJic, garkveulwilad, sasargeblo<br />
iyo xelisuflebisTvis, radgan<br />
maT saTqmeli eZlevaT, rom arsebobs<br />
ufro radikaluri poziciebi ruseT-<br />
Tan mimarTebiT, moCvenebiTad distancirdnen<br />
am politikuri Zalisgan<br />
da warmoCindnen prodasavlur Zalad,<br />
magram kidev erTxel vimeoreb:<br />
maT Soris aranairi gansxvaveba araa,<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” da „patrioTa aliansi”<br />
erTi da igive proeqtis sxvadasxva<br />
Semadgeneli nawilia. isini<br />
erT TamaSs TamaSoben. xelisuflebas<br />
xels aZlevs amgvari TamaSi. Cven vnaxeT,<br />
igive moxda konstituciasTan<br />
dakavSirebiTac. „patriotTa alianss”<br />
gaxsnili hqonda bevrad aqtiuri,<br />
agresiuli fronti, lobirebdnen<br />
ufro radikalur poziciebs, vidre<br />
xelisufleba da „ocneba” am<br />
fonze Canda bevrad ufro azrian,<br />
centristul politikur Zalad.<br />
Tumca maTac aitaces bevri Tema „patriotTa<br />
aliansisgan”, maT Soris, miwis<br />
gayidvis Tema.<br />
_ miwis ucxoelebze miyidvis<br />
akrZalva srul sinqronSia Tbilis-<br />
Si gamarTul „qarTul marSTan”,<br />
romelic pirdapir iTxovs qarTu-<br />
li miwidan ucxoelebis gayras. erTi<br />
mxriv, aralegalebis gayras iTxoven<br />
da meore mxriv, saimigracio politikis<br />
gamkacrebas _ iolad nu va-<br />
ZlevT moaqalaqeobas da binadro-<br />
bis uflebaso. saerTod ar undaT<br />
ucxoelis gaWaWaneba am qveyanaSi. es<br />
yvelaferi erTi peizaJia, romlis<br />
erT fragments xelisufleba xata-<br />
vs, meores _ es Zalebi.<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. ruseTma iswavla<br />
gakveTili da wina wlebisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
dRes aRar cdilobs adgilis<br />
damkvidrebas ama Tu im qveyanis<br />
politikur sivrceSi, samxedro konfrontaciis<br />
gziT da amis nacvlad<br />
awarmoebs hibridul oms, maT Soris,<br />
saqarTvelos winaaRmdegac. es hibriduli<br />
omi sxvadasxva komponentisgan<br />
Sedgeba, upirvelesad, esaa demokratiuli<br />
sistemis, rogorc sisustis<br />
gamoyeneba. ruseTi araTu Cvennair<br />
qveynebSi, dasavlur saxelmwifoeb-<br />
Sic cdilobs arCevnebze iqonios zegavlena<br />
da sakuTari politikuri in-<br />
16 N26 (203) 18.07-24.07.2017 w.
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