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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`xelisuflebas ki ara,iciT, am adamians pativs ratomgiorgi abaSiZevcem? _ „ocnebis” sxva warmomad-genlebisgan gansxvavebiT, arcuxerxuli kiTxvebis dasmis gamo brazdeba da arc intervi-uze ambobs xolme uars. saerTod, lado kaxaZe gulaxdiliTanamosaubrea da yovelTvis imas ambobs, rasac fiqrobs.interviu, romelic „qronika+~-ma mTawmindis moqmed maJori-tarTan da „ocnebis” proporciuli siis wevr lado kaxaZesTanCawera, tradiciulad, gulwrfelia, rac imas niSnavs, romrespondents mwvave kiTxvebi ar gauprotestebia da sakuTarimosazrebebis dasabuTebas faqtebiT Seecada.mokled, Tavs aRar SegawyenTda gTavazobT Cemi da lado kax-aZis saubris, erTgvar, steno-grafiul Canawers:_ batono lado, koronis me-ore talRasa da arCevnebsrogor xvdebiT?_ Segnebulad._ anu?_ meore talRas jer kidevpirvelis TavSekavebis fazaSivwinaswarmetyvelebdiT. sxvaTaSoris, saqarTveloSi koronavirusispirveli SemTxveva Tebervlisbolos gamovlinda, martSiki amiran gamyreliZe ukve ambobda,istorias unda gadavexdoTo,anu rogorc ki pandemia gamocxadda,yvelas, gansakuTrebiTufros Taobas, analogia 1918wlis espanuras pandemiasTangauCnda. sxvaTa Soris, im pandemiassikvdiloba Zalian maRalihqonda _ as milionamde adamianissicocxle Seiwira da pirvelzeuaresi meore talRa iyo.yvela mecnieri axlac ambobs,rom pandemias talRebi axasiaTebs...imasac Tavidanve vambobdiT,rom garkveuli dro unda gavides,raTa am virusis xasiaTi SeviswavloT.zogi mecnieri acxadebda,koronavirusis gadatanis Semdeg,SesaZloa, organizmma imunitetigamoimuSavoso. es Zaliankargia, magram unda vicodeT, esimuniteti mudmivia Tu moklevadiani?imis Sesaxebac araerTxelmsmenia, Tu laparaks vaqcinazeviwyebT, isic unda vicodeT, romvaqcina efeqtiani maSin iqneba,Tu organizms imunitetis gamomuSavebisunari aqvso._ es samecniero diskursigasagebia, magram sxva ram main-teresebs._ mkiTxeT, rac gindaT..._ msoflios im qveynebSi, ro-mlebic pirveli talRis mereabsoluturad gaixsna, meoretalRa gasakviric araa, magramsaqarTvelos sazRvrebi dRemdeCaketilia da gamagebineT, in-feqcia ukontrolod ratomvrceldeba, anu dReSi aTaszemeti SemTxveva ratom gvaqvs?„sami muSketeri” da kargi kriz-ismenejeri sad arian?_ kidev erTi analogia gaviwydebaT._ romeli?_ CineTi, anu sazRvrebi romCaketa, CineTma yvelaferi utal-Rod gadaiara. amas ratom ar ambobT?_ vityvi, magram ar mogewonebaT:CineTSi dReSi, maqsi-mum, 8 SemTxveva fiqsirdeba,CvenTan ki korona kardakar da-dis. arada, rusebis gardasaqarTveloSi aravin Semodis..._ Sekavebis fazaSi samecnierowindaxeduloba aucilebeli iyo,radgan virusis amoucnobi mxarisgasagebad dro mogvego.sxvaTa Soris, SvedeTma gazafxulzecaraferi Caketa._ batono lado, saqarTvelozegekiTxebiT _ am kargi me-nejerebis xelSi korona ratomdagveria?_ patara horizontis adamianiar xarT._ es ra SuaSia?_ saqme pandemiasTan gvaqvs,pandemiasTan! da igi yvelganTaviseburad viTardeba. saqarTvelomyvelaferi gaakeTa, rommeore talRisTvis dro moego.iciT, dasawyisSi ramdeni laboratoriagvqonda?_ ori, ha-ha, sami. ise, dResbevria, magram laboratoriebzebevri kiTxvis niSani arsebobs._ nebsiT Tu uneblieT isev„Cortis” Cagdeba gindaT. ki batono,me wamogyvebiT, magram mosaxleobaar davabnioT... mokled,Tavidan sul oTxi laboratoriaiyo da maSinve umaRlesi xarisxis„pisiar” testebs vakeTebdiT,radgan vicodiT, rom antisxeulebistestebiT SeiZleba, bevricdomileba yofiliyo. dRes25 laboratoria muSaobs da amismomzadeba patara saqme ggoniaT?700 aTasi testi gakeTda..._ keTili, magram qveyanaSikorona aqamdec masobrivadcirkulirebda, magram vinaidansakmarisi laboratoria argvqonda, yvela inficirebulisgamovlena ver xerxdeboda, ara?_ rogor fiqrobT, ramdenikoronavirusi arsebobs?_ amis codna momeTxoveba?_ 8 miliard 500 milioni koronavirusia._ da mere?_ koronavirusis Stami CemSirom Semova, sxvanairi xdeba, Sen-Si _ sxvanairi da yvela individ-Si masSi arsebul sust rgols,ase vTqvaT, imeorebs. koronavirusises Stami ki yvela im Stamisgangansxvavebulia, romelickacobriobam aqamde gamoiara. ai,swored amis gamoa kiTxvis niSnebigaCenili da, Sesabamisad, ramestandartis Seqmna Zalian Znelia.amitom yvela qveyana Tavis gzasdaadga. marTalia, saqarTveloSiarsebuli klinikuri SemTxvevebismarTva koordinebuli iyo,magram, albaT, gaxsovT, Cven ise-Ti wamali gamoviyeneT, romelicbevrma gaakritika, Tumca CvenTanlado kaxaZe:`mavneblebma aWaraSiamxela mitingiupirbadod dasocialuri distanciisdaucveladSegnebulad Caatares!~gaamarTla._ es wamali, faqtia, aRar amarTlebs_ bolo dros, dain-ficirebulTa raodenobaze romaRaraferi vTqvaT, gardacv-lilTa ricxvic dramatuladizrdeba._ samwuxarod, gardacvlilTaraodenoba mxolod CvenTan kiara, mTel msoflioSi moimatebs...imis Tqma gindaT, romeqimebi, sistema da xelisuflebapacientebs Segnebulad klaven anrame informacias malaven?_ ara, amis ki ara, imis Tqmaminda, rom krizismenejerebisTvistaSis dakvra, mgoni, ga-dametebuli iyo!_ araviTari! xelisuflebas kiara, erTianobas vukravdiT taSs!_ sad korona da sad _ er-Tianoba, batono lado!_ yvelani erTad viyaviT. Zaliankargi Jurnalisti xarT dagTxovT, 1918 wlis monacemebiwaikiTxeT._ wakiTxuli maqvs._ iciT, maSindeli mecnierebiras ambobdnen? _ pirbade gaike-TeT da distancia daicaviTo._ kargi ram gamaxseneT: pi-radad me pirbades yvelgan va-tareb, sadac saWiroa, magram ai,„ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi amrekomendcias ar icaven. magaliTad,sveticxovlobaze pre-mieri moxuci patriarqis gver-diT uniRbod idga. amas ama-rTlebT?_ amasac individis doneze nuCamoiyvanT!_ individis doneze ki arCamomyavs, imas vambob, rom rekomendaciebsTavad xelisu-falni ar asruleben._ imas ratom ar ambobT, ammavneblebma aWaraSi amxela mitingiSegnebulad upirbadod dasocialuri distanciis dacvisgareSe rom Caatares?_ qronologiurad mivyvebi,anu jer sveticxovloba iyo,mere ki _ „nacebis” baTumuriaqcia..._ absoluturad yvelas, Cemiojaxis wevrebsac, movuwodeb davuCoqeb: Zalian gTxovT, pirbade,romelic gadamwyvetia, atareT.pirbadis miuxedavad, distanciacdaicaviT da erTmaneTs pirispirdidxans nu elaparakebiT!es ki arada, parlamentSi sanqcie-`Tavidan sul oTxi laboratoria iyo damaSinve umaRlesi xarisxis `pisiar~ testebsvakeTebdiT, radgan vicodiT, romantisxeulebis testebiT SeiZleba, bevricdomileba yofiliyo. dRes 25 laboratoriamuSaobs da amis momzadeba patara saqmeggoniaT? 700 aTasi testi gakeTda...~bi SemoviReT da simarTle giTxraT,Semrcxva: adamians sakuTarijanmrTelobisTvis aseTi sworimowodebis ugulebelyofa ratomunda sWirdebodes? Cveni Tavismtrebi xom ar varT?! sxvaTaSoris, adamianebs ar sjeraT,rom narkotiki klavs da maincikeTeben. ai, dResac ramdenia,vinc ambobs, virusi ar arsebobsan arsebobs, magram ar klavso?!_ hoda, raki korona arsebobsda klavs, amitom 19-Si arc au-ditoriebSi unda dawyebuliyoswavla._ lokdaunma, romelic pirvelitalRis dros gamovacxadeT,maRali Sedegi mogvca. aseTi organizebulobayvelasTvis saCvenebeligaxda. sxvaTa Soris, albaT,isic gaxsovT, gazafxulzeviRacebi xelisufalT bralsrom sdebdnen, koronavirusisraodenobis gazrda ZaliT unda-To... es cudi da sazizRari politikaa,magram mosaxleobas verafersvurCev, analizs yvelaTviTon gaakeTebs._ ise, ra amis pasuxia da, ko-ronaSemTxvevebis rekordulimatebis miuxedavad, quCebs aRarvrecxavT da xom ar iciT, ra-tom?_ quCebs marto Cven ki arvrecxavdiT, amas amerikelebi,frangebi, germanelebi, italielebida Cinelebic akeTebdnen._ CineTSi, SeiZleba, trotu-arebs recxavdnen, Cven ki didigulmodginebiT manqanis savalnawilebs vaprialebdiT da TanTbilisis merias taSs vukravav-diT! quCebis kurTxevaze aRar-afers vambob..._ Tqven SeiZleba, imasac uSvebT,rom koronavirusi ar arsebobs._ arsebobs, magram amixseniT,pirveli talRis dros trasebsratom vrecxavdiT da axla ra-tom aRar vrecxavT?_ janmodanac iyo miTiTeba,rom sivrceebi dasufTavebuliyo._ batono lado, quCebi koro-nis gareSec unda davasufTavoTxolme..._ ki batono, quCebis dasufTavebasdilaobiT yovelTvis1616 N25 (327) 20.10-26.10.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comerTianobas vukravdiT taSs!~mivesalmebi, radgan axali dResisufTaveSi daviwyoT! ise, quCebimaSinac sufTavdeboda, rocasakrebulos Tavmjdomare viyiavi._ eg revoluciamde iyo, ba-tono lado, axla ki, madlobaRmerTs, koronam mogviswro,Torem merias quCebis morecxvaarc gaaxsendeboda..._ ra revolucia, kaco, saqarTvelodamoukidebeli rom gaxda,sakrebulos Tavmjdomaremere viyavi._ vici, magram didi oqtombriski ara, „vardebis revolu-cias” vgulisxmob._ e. i., imas, rac 2003 welsmoxda, Tqvenc revoluciad miiCnevT,ara?_ ra Tqma unda... Tqven, ra, asear fiqrobT?_ me imas vambob, rac absoluturWeSmaritebas Seexeba. isrevolucia ki ara, karze amxedrebada im potencialis gamoyenebaiyo, romelic maSindelmaxelisuflebam moitana. sxvaTaSoris, ruseTis jaris gayvanacdaibrales, magram es jari „nacionalebs”ar gauyvaniaT._ batono lado, rakiRa sityvapolitikaze Camovarda, maxsovs,ramdenime Tvis win miTxariT,Tu „ocneba” maJoritaradaRar warmadgens, Cems profesiasdavubrundebio. maJori-tarobis kandidati ara, magram„ocnebis” proporciul siaSixarT..._ ase ar miTqvams._ aba, rogor TqviT?_ erTi rigiTi jariskaci varda sadac metyvian, iq davdgebimeTqi.zustad es gavimeore Cemsdid ojaxSic da adekvaturi pasuximiviRe, anu sadac var, esimas niSnavs, rom gundma, romel-Sic me moviazrebi, ase daminaxa.ise, politikaSi rom var, xom argwyinT?_ mirCevnia, isev medicinaSimoRvaweobdeT. bolos da bo-los, politika xom binZuria,Tanac „ocnebis” mimarT sazoga-doebaSiaraerTgvarovanidamokidebulebaa da ar minda,vinmem cudi Tqvenzec Tqvas..._ Tqven gindaT, rom politikaSiiseTi adamianebi iyvnen,rogoric miSa saakaSvilia daromelic qveyanas daangrevs? esmogwonT?_ jer erTi, miSas maSinacvakritikebdi, roca prezidentiiyo. meorec, 2016-Si im adami-anebis gverdiT ideqiT, romelTacsaakaSvilis mimarT simpa-Tia aqvT _ moZraobas „saxelm-wifo xalxisTvis” vgulisxmob..._ jer erTi, am partiaSi arvyofilvar. meorec, rom icodeT,es CemTvis yvelaze didilaqaa._ ratom?_ is adamiani, romelmac iqmimiyvana da mTxova, dResac bodiSsmixdis, es ra ubedurebaSiamoyavi Tavio. simarTle giTxraT,verasodes warmovidgendi,rom am partiis mmarTveli „nacionalurimoZraoba” iqneboda.samwuxarod, mec Sevcdi, Tumcavinmem miTxras, rom maSin „nacionalurimoZraobis” romelimenabiji gavamarTle da ar gavakritike..._ Tu ar meSleba, leiboristebTanyofnasac Secdo-mad miiCnevT, ara?_ ara, ara... socialuri dajanmrTelobis wina planzewamowevis idea arasodes damviwyebia,magram imaT politikurisibinZureebi Caidines da amazepasuxismgeblobas ver aviReb!_ mokled, xom ar dadgebadro, roca politikaSi mesamedSesvlas inanebT?_ ar vinaneb!_ ratom?_ es Segnebulad gavakeTe. saerTod,cxovreba, maT Soris, politikada Jurnalistikac procesia.ise, reigani jer demokratiiyo, mere _ damoukidebeliprofkavSiris wevri, bolos ki _SesaniSnavi respublikeli prez-N25 (327) 20.10-26.10.2020 w.`absoluturad yvelas, Cemi ojaxis wevrebsac, movuwodeb da vuCoqeb: ZaliangTxovT, pirbade, romelic gadamwyvetia, atareT. pirbadis miuxedavad,distanciac daicaviT da erTmaneTs pirispir didxans nu elaparakebiT!~identi._ es ra SuaSia?_ mTavaria, Sen vin xar da ara_ is, sxva cudi kacia Tu ara._ vici, rom kargi adamianixarT da iciT, pativs ratomgcemT? _ „ocnebis” sxva wevrebisgangansxvavebiT, arc uxerx-ul kiTxvebs gaurbixarT da arcJurnalistebs ubrazdebiT._ rogor SeiZleba, Tavs dagesxaT?piriqiT, madloba undagiTxraT, rom Cemi azri gainteresebT.es yvelaze kargi formaa,roca adamianebi WeSmaritebisgzas eZeben. iciT, eqimebma rogoriuxerxuli kiTxvebis dasmaician da Tundac me pacientis-Tvis ramdeni uxerxuli kiTxvadamisvams?_ marTla?_ am kiTxvebs imitom vsvam,rom daavadebis saTave movZebno.Tqven swor kiTxvebs svamT, mwvavedki imas eCveneba, vinc pasuxisTvismzad araa.`is adamiani, romelmac iq mimiyvana da mTxova,dResac bodiSs mixdis, es ra ubedurebaSiamoyavi Tavio. simarTle giTxraT, verasodeswarmovidgendi, rom am partiis mmarTveli`nacionaluri moZraoba~ iqneboda. samwuxarod,mec Sevcdi, Tumca vinmem miTxras, rom maSin`nacionaluri moZraobis~ romelime nabijigavamarTle da ar gavakritike...~_ hoda, „ocneba” yvelas, vincmwvave da uxerxul kiTxvassvams, „nacionals” eZaxis..._ Jurnalists nebismieri kiTxvisdasmis ufleba aqvs, oRondinterpretireba ar unda moaxdinos.samwuxarod, arian iseTebi,romlebic Jurnalistikas arcxvenenan Jurnalistikas angarebisTvisiyeneben._ sxvaTa Soris, politikasangarebisTvis politikosebiciyeneben..._ diax, magram TeTri da Savikontrastuli ferebia, rasac xalxikargad arCevs. metic, xalxipolitikosebSi uamrav niuanssamCnevs, anu am Sexedulebebs agrovebs,wonis, xednis, yvelaferamas aanalizebs da saarCevnoyuTTan ise midis. es demokratiisyvelaze kargi formaa... romicodeT, JurnalistebTan isevurTierTob, rogorc potenciulpacientebTan._ ratom?_ im adamians, vinc tkivilzeCivis, potenciur pacientad vuyureb,radgan misi tkivilis SemsubuqebaSiCemi roli da adgilidavinaxo. amaSi cudi ra aris?_ araferi, radgan piradadmec politikosebs ise vuyureb,rogorc potenciur pacientebs_ uxerxul kiTxvebs imitom vusvamxolme, rom diagnozamde mi-vide!_ Jurnalistisgan gansxvavebiT,eqimi mkurnalobas niSnavs.eqimma politikosma ki mxolodsityvieri mkurnaloba ki ar undadaniSnos, aramed es mkurnaloba,normatiuli aqtis saxiT,qaRaldzec unda gadaitanos._ keTili da sanam dagemSvidobebiT,batono lado, miTx-ariT, „ocneba” xelisuflebaSimesame vadiTac darCeba?_ rasakvirvelia!_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratomxarT?_ sakonstitucio cvlilebebiT„ocnebam” iseTi ram gaakeTa,rom Zalian didi pativiscemisRirsia. es nabiji 2024 wels evrokavSiriskarze dasakakunebladdaufasdeba! sxvebi amaze arTanxmdebodnen, „ocnebam” ki esgadawyvetileba xelisuflebaSiyofnis dros miiRo._ mesmis, magram mSier xalxsdidad ar aRelvebs, arCevnebiproporciuli sistemiT Cat-ardeba Tu _ SereuliT..._ Tqven sxva kuTxiT dainaxeTda socialuri kuTxiT waiyvaneT.kargi, wamogyvebiT da getyviT,rom es xelisufleba winamorbedebzeasi aTasjer humanuria!_ kargi, ra, batono lado.wina xelisuflebebis dros aslarad lamis mTeli Tvisproduqts vyidulobdi, axla kias larad manqanaSi sawvavs vasx-am da erT kolof sigarets vy-idulob..._ apa-pa-pa! komunistebisdros erTi maneTiT benzinsCaasxamdi._ ukacravad, komunistebidRevandelobasTan ra kavSirSiarian?_ komunistebis dros 58-e muxliarsebobda da Tu Seni saxlian coli moewonebodaT, dagi-Werdnen. maSin proletariatisdiqtatura hqondaT, wina xelisuflebaski _ „me mindas” diqtatura.dRes es diqtatura aRara.dRes terori araa da sruliTavisuflebaa! saerTod, saqar-Tvelo fizikuri ganadgurebispiras araerTxel damdgara _xalxs sasmel-saWmeli enatreboda,magram qarTveloba aravisdauTmia. amaT ki yvelaferi hqondaTda gareji daTmes!_ batono lado, sasamarTlomunda daadginos, vinmem garejidaTmo Tu ara, amitom udanaSau-lobis prezumpcia ar undadaarRvioT!_ garejs vin daaTmobinebda,magram xeli moaweres..._ usamarTloba swored esaa,rom adamianebs brali ar aqvTdamtkicebuli da „ocneba” ukvedamnaSaveebad acxadebs!_ am Temaze SemiZlia, vilaparakoda nebismieri adamiani, maTSoris, Jurnalistebic gavaSiSvlo._ kargi, gamaSiSvleT, magramimaSic dameTanxmeT, rom es TemasaarCevno konteqstSi wamoswiaxelisuflebam..._ am Temaze laparaki 2014welsaa dawyebuli._ hoda, saqmec maSin aReZraT._ dokumentebi moZiebuli ariyo, dRes ki imxela masala Camovida._ masala ki ar Camovida,aramed, rogorc biznesmeni xi-daSeli ambobs, sazRvris dacvisdepartamentidan da erovnulibiblioTekidan aiRo._ saqarTvelos damoukideblobisada sarwmunoebrivi ideismimarT aseTi sinqronuli Seteva,sabotaJia. aseTi sabotaJistebi1991 wlidan SigniT gvyvanan damaT, samwuxarod, ruseTi kvebavs..._ kargi, batono lado, sadaciqnebiT, „ocnebaSi” Tu sxvagan,warmatebas gisurvebT!17
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