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mTavaria, rom kanonis damrRvevis<br />
mimarT gaimarTos sasamarTlo da<br />
sasamarTlom Tavisi ganaCeni gamoitanos,<br />
riTac yvelas mivaniSnebT,<br />
rom kanoni kanonobs. maT 100<br />
lars Tu 2000 lars gadavaxdevinebT<br />
_ meorexarisxovani problemaa.<br />
mTavari mainc danaSaulisTvis<br />
sasjelis gardauvlobaa da<br />
swored aq aqvs am xelisuflebas<br />
Cavardnebi. vfiqrob, es keTdeba<br />
Segnebulad, raTa xalxs uTxran _<br />
moqmedi kanoni ar muSaobs da is<br />
Sesacvleliao, rasac swored ombudsmenis<br />
xeliT akeTeben dRes.<br />
_ maS, ratom undaT kanonis<br />
Secvla, Tu es cvlilebebi<br />
qarTul interesebze srulebiT<br />
araa morgebuli?<br />
_ aq mxolod erTi daskvna modis<br />
azrad, _ ruseTis moTxovnebis<br />
dasakmayofileblad. ruseTi<br />
ukve didi xania, am kanonis Serbilebas,<br />
an, sulac, gauqmebas moiTxovs.<br />
misi interesi gasagebia _ sakuTar<br />
moqalaqeebs aacilos pasuxismgebloba<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze<br />
Sesvlis gamo. da Tu miaRwevs,<br />
misi moqalaqeebi ufro aqtiurad<br />
ivlian am teritoriebze ise,<br />
rom Semdeg ar moeridebian TbilisSi<br />
Camosvlas da aq „Zmoba-megobrobaze”<br />
sadRegrZeloebis Tqmas...<br />
rac sulac ar niSnavs, rom isini<br />
ewinaaRmdegebian saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriebis okupacias. ruseTis<br />
interesia, aseve, rom ruseTis politelitis<br />
warmomadgenlebs, romlebic<br />
xSiri stumrebi arian okupirebul<br />
teritoriebze, xeli ar<br />
SeeSaloT saqarTveloSi Camosvla-<br />
Si sxvadasxva miznebiT. da sad aris<br />
saqarTvelos interesi am SemTxvevaSi?<br />
_ rac Seexeba SeRavaTian saga-<br />
dasaxado reJims okupirebul<br />
teritoriaze momuSave mewarmee-<br />
bisTvis?<br />
_ es sakiTxi met gaSlas moiTxovs.<br />
sainteresoa, Tu rogori saxis<br />
mewarmeebs gulisxmobs da romeli<br />
qveynis? SeiZleba, SeRavaTi im<br />
mewarmeebs dauwesdes, romlebic<br />
qarTuli kanonmdeblobiT arian<br />
daregistrirebulni da gadasaxadebs<br />
saqarTvelos biujetSi ixdian.<br />
magram, am SemTxvevaSi, sxva<br />
problema warmoiqmneba _ sagadasaxado<br />
administrirebis. vin gaakontrolebs<br />
am mewarmeebis saqmianobas<br />
okupirebul teritoriaze?<br />
rogor aRiricxeba Cven mier ukontrolo<br />
regionebSi maTi biznesis<br />
brunva da rogor daibegreba igi?<br />
piradad veranair meqanizms ver<br />
vxedav amis gansaxorcieleblad.<br />
Sedegad miviRebT imas, rom moqmed<br />
qarTul ekonomikur sivrceSi Caebmebian<br />
adamianebi, romelTac okupirebul<br />
teritoriaze Sesvlis<br />
ufleba aqvT da romelTac legaluri<br />
biznesi aralegaluri operaciebisTvis<br />
gamoiyenebs, magali-<br />
Tad, gadasaxadebis zemoaRniSnuli<br />
SeRavaTebis damalvis mizniT. anu<br />
gveqneba erTi didi Savi xvreli,<br />
rogoric iyo, Tavis droze, ergne-<br />
Tis bazroba. axla masStabebi gacilebiT<br />
didi iqneba.<br />
_ Seexeba Tu ara aRniSnuli<br />
SeRavaTebi okupirebul terito-<br />
riebze moqmed rusul kompaniebs?<br />
_ ombudsmenis rekomendacia,<br />
albaT, gulisxmobs, rom rusul<br />
kompaniebs SeRavaTebi Seexeba, Tu<br />
isini saqarTvelos sistemaSi iqnebian<br />
registrirebulni. davuSvaT,<br />
asec moxda da rusuli kompania<br />
daregistrirda saqarTvelos arakontrolirebad<br />
teritoriaze Se-<br />
RavaTian sagadasaxado pirobebSi<br />
saqmianobis sawarmoeblad. vin gaakontrolebs<br />
rusul kompanias?!<br />
vin icis, ra operaciebs Caatarebs<br />
is iq?! da Tu SeRavaTi gulisxmobs,<br />
saerTod, nulovan ganakveTs, raTa<br />
misi administrireba ar moxdes,<br />
maSin miviRebT okupirebul teritoriaze<br />
rusuli kompaniebis<br />
saqmianobis legalizebas ise, rom<br />
amiT saqarTvelo verc ekonomikur<br />
da verc politikur xeirs miiRebs.<br />
maS, risTvis gvinda Cvendami mtrulad<br />
ganwyobili qveynis biznesisTvis<br />
xelSewyoba?<br />
ombudsmenis gulis tkivili<br />
adamianis uflebebis gamo okupirebul<br />
teritoriaze srulebiT<br />
gasagebia, magram mxolod im nawil-<br />
Si, sadac iqauri mcxovreblebi<br />
Tavad uCivian uflebebis darRevas.<br />
magaliTad, afxazebs rom uTxraT,<br />
Seni uflebebis dasacavad<br />
movdivaro, gaecinebaT... isini sulac<br />
ar uCivian TavianTi uflebebis<br />
darRvevas, yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
N5 (182) 14.02-20.02.2017 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
maT dacvas qarTul mxares sulac<br />
ar sTxoven.<br />
_ maS, ratom vTavazobT?<br />
_ gvgonia, rom amas dainaxaven,<br />
gaigeben da Serigebis procesi daiwyeba?<br />
Zalian Sors unda iyo iq<br />
arsebuli mdgomareobidan, ase miamiturad<br />
rom imsjelo. samwuxaroa,<br />
afxazebTan da osebTanac<br />
„Serigebis” procesSi qarTuli<br />
mxridan, TiTqmis, aravin monawileobs<br />
iseTi, vinc kargad icnobs maT<br />
jiSsa da jilags, da moxarSuli<br />
icis, ras warmoadgenen erTnic da<br />
meorenic (sxvaTa Soris, es iyo<br />
kidevac afxazebis moTxovna, rasac<br />
Cvenebi upirobod daeTanxmnen).<br />
is xalxi ki, vinc am proceseb-<br />
Sia dRes CarTuli, saerTod „tyemalze<br />
zis” da ase hgonia, rom evropul<br />
gamocdilebas Tu gadmoakopirebs,<br />
an evropul rekomendacias<br />
Tu gaiTvaliswinebs, kargad gamo-<br />
Cndeba sxvebis TvalSi. erTi ram<br />
unda gaviTvaliswinoT: evropuli<br />
rekomendacia kargia wasakiTxad da<br />
morgebulia evropeli adamianebis<br />
azrovnebaze, evropul realobaze,<br />
srulebiT sxva kulturis adamianebze,<br />
da yvelaze mTavari _ maTi<br />
mizani, xSirad, ara konfliqtebis<br />
saqarTvelos sasargeblod gadawyvetaa,<br />
aramed am konfliqtebis,<br />
rac SeiZleba, didxans gayinva,<br />
raTa saqarTvelo ar gaxdes maTi<br />
Tavis tkivili ukrainisa da siriis<br />
ambebTan erTan. ar iqneba ukraina<br />
da siria, sxva iqneba.<br />
evropa dainteresebulia, pirvel<br />
rigSi, rac SeiZleba naklebi<br />
safiqrali hqondes sxva teritoriebze<br />
da metad iyos orientirebuli<br />
sakuTar ekonomikur keTildReobaze.<br />
srulebiT gasagebi mizania:<br />
„jer Tavo”... magram Cven xom<br />
Cveni safiqrali gvaqvs da, pirvel<br />
rigSi, mxolod da mxolod, is rekomendaciebi<br />
unda gaviTvaliswinoT,<br />
romlebic sakuTari miznebis<br />
miRwevaSi dagvexmareba.<br />
saboloo jamSi, am rekomendaciebidan<br />
vigebT erT rames: saqarTvelos<br />
xelisufleba orientirebulia,<br />
koWi gaugoros ruseTsa<br />
da evropas da srulebiT ar aris<br />
mowadinebuli, sakuTari interesebi<br />
daicvas yvela tribunaze, yvela<br />
sivrceSi.<br />
afxazebis am bolo dros gaxSirebuli<br />
voiaJebi evropisa da amerikis<br />
sxvadasxva gamofenaze amas<br />
adasturebs. imis magivrad, rom<br />
prevenciaze imuSaon, Cveni diplomatiuri<br />
korpusi winaswar emzadebodes<br />
yvela gamofenisTvis monawileTa<br />
siebis gamoTxoviT da afxazebis<br />
monawileobis SemTxvevaSi<br />
ufro adre reagirebisTvis, vidre<br />
isini ukve iqnebian warmodgenili<br />
am gamofenebze, samwuxarod, reagireba<br />
gviwevs mas mere, rac es ambavi<br />
mediaSi gaJRerdeba. es niSnavs<br />
erT rames _ okupirebuli teritoriebis<br />
sakiTxi ar aris sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministros nomer pirveli<br />
amocana.<br />
_ gaiziarebs Tu ara xelisufleba<br />
ombudsmenis rekomendacie-<br />
bs?<br />
_ am etapze sruliad erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
SegviZlia amaze gipasuxoT,<br />
_ gaiziarebs. metic, es winadadebebi<br />
momzadebulia xelisuflebaSi,<br />
an „ufro zeviT” da zaqareiSvili<br />
da nanuaSvili mxolod<br />
gamxmovaneblebad gvevlinebian. sakiTxavia,<br />
SeZlebs Tu ara xelisufleba<br />
am cvlilebebis miRebas?<br />
gaCumdeba sazogadoeba am umsgavsobaze<br />
iseve, rogorc bevr sxva<br />
rameze dums? jerjerobiT, „tvinis<br />
gamorecxvis” process vxedavT,<br />
rodesac periodulobiT Semoagdeben<br />
am cvlilebebs da sazogadoebis<br />
reaqcias akvirdebian. albaT,<br />
elodebian, rodis etyvis sazogadoeba,<br />
_ kiserimc gitexiaTo...<br />
qarTuli xelisuflebis politika<br />
okupirebul teritoriebTan<br />
mimarTebiT unda gaaqtiurdes<br />
saerTaSoriso arenaze. am Temaze<br />
saerTaSoriso warmomadgenlebTan<br />
`samwuxaroa, afxazebTan da osebTanac `Serigebis~ procesSi qarTuli<br />
mxridan, TiTqmis, aravin monawileobs iseTi, vinc kargad icnobs maT jiSsa<br />
da jilags, da moxarSuli icis, ras warmoadgenen erTnic da meorenic<br />
(sxvaTa Soris, es iyo kidevac afxazebis moTxovna, rasac Cvenebi upirobod<br />
daeTanxmnen). is xalxi ki, vinc am procesebSia dRes CarTuli, saerTod<br />
`tyemalze zis~ da ase hgonia, rom evropul gamocdilebas Tu<br />
gadmoakopirebs, an evropul rekomendacias Tu gaiTvaliswinebs, kargad<br />
gamoCndeba sxvebis TvalSi~<br />
meti komunikacia unda iyos, es<br />
Temebi maRali tribunebidan unda<br />
JRerdebos da ara ise, rogorc<br />
morigi raRac gancxadeba, romelsac<br />
Cveni bolo drois premierebi<br />
akeTebdnen da naxevar saaTSi aravis<br />
axsovda, raze iyo saubari. Tu<br />
maT gamosvlaze saerTaSoriso media<br />
dums, CaTvaleT, rom araferi<br />
uTqvamT. amitom Cveni okupirebuli<br />
teritoriebis Tematika saer-<br />
TaSoriso mediaSi unda dabrundes.<br />
yvelgan, sadac ukrainuli sakiTxi<br />
wamoiWreba da saubari iqneba yirimis<br />
aneqsiasa da donbasis okupaciaze,<br />
iqve unda JRerdes afxaze-<br />
Ti da cxinvalis regioni. sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministro met koordinaciaSi<br />
unda iyos am sakiTxebSi ukrainul<br />
mxaresTan, raTa erTiani<br />
frontiT gamovideT okupantis<br />
winaaRmdeg. es unda iyos kargad<br />
gaazrebuli da erTiani Seteva<br />
politikuri frontis yvela xazze.<br />
meore sakiTxi, rasac vurCevdi<br />
xelisuflebas, da zemoTac avRniSne<br />
_ prevenciaze muSaobaa. afxazur<br />
Tu osur marionetul re-<br />
Jimebs TavianTi fsevdodamoukideblobis<br />
propagandis saSualeba ar<br />
unda mivceT saerTaSoriso arenaze.<br />
amisTvis saWiroa, rom yvela<br />
saelCo mudmivad iyos saqmis kurs-<br />
Si, Tu ra RonisZiebebi tardeba<br />
maTi ganTavsebis qveynebSi. mudmivad<br />
unda adevnon Tvali monawileebs<br />
da reagireba moaxdinon sa-<br />
Wiroebis SemTxvevaSi. Cven ar unda<br />
vigebdeT, rom separatistebma aqa<br />
Tu iq TavianTi Tavis reklama gaakeTes,<br />
es ZirSive unda aRikveTos.<br />
piriqiT, unda gvikvirdes, ratom<br />
ar Canan... magram amas muSaoba sWirdeba<br />
da ara Sopingebze siaruli.<br />
aucilebelia, rom yoveli saer-<br />
TaSoriso Sexvedris Semdeg sruli<br />
moculobiT gaJRerdes Sexvedris<br />
Sedegebi (is, rac iTqmis). rusul<br />
mxaresTan Sexvedrebis Sinaarsi mosaxleobisTvis<br />
ar unda iyos saidumlo,<br />
miT umetes, xelSekrulebebi<br />
da SeTanxmebebi. yoveli aseTi<br />
Sexvedris Semdeg, ratomRac, swored<br />
rusuli mxare avrcelebs pirvelad<br />
informacias da Taviseburad<br />
awvdis medias Sinaarss, qarTul<br />
mxares ki ukve reagireba uwevs.<br />
cnobilia, rom pirveli informacia<br />
yvelaze mniSvnelovania, rame-<br />
Tu Tavidanve uyalibebs mkiTxvel-<br />
sa da msmenels azris mimarTulebas,<br />
xolo Semdgom informaciebs<br />
is ukve swored am Camoyalibebuli<br />
azris WrilSi ganixilavs da aRiqvams.<br />
maS, ratom iZleva Cveni sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministro informacias<br />
yovelTvis dagvianebiT? aq saubaria<br />
rusuli informaciuli propagandis<br />
mier sakuTari kliSeebis<br />
Tavsmoxvevis prevenciaze. ratom<br />
ar SeiZleba, am Sexvedris dasrulebisTanave<br />
gakeTdes gancxadebebi,<br />
romlebic, iqneb, mTavar Tezisebs<br />
moicavdes, xolo maTi ufro Rrma<br />
analizis mowodeba da detaluri<br />
axsna-ganmarteba cota mogvianebi-<br />
Tac SeiZleba.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom saqarTvelos<br />
Sss gvimtkicebs, rom okupaciis<br />
xazi srulad kontroldeba,<br />
yovel kvira itaceben Cvens moqalaqeebs<br />
saokupacio xazidan. „fici<br />
mwams, bolo makvirvebso”. saWiroa<br />
saokupacio xazis srulad gakontroleba,<br />
raTa mis mimdebare soflebSi<br />
mcxovrebma saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeebma daculad igrZnon<br />
Tavi _ rusebis, an osebis arasanqcirebuli<br />
moqmedebis SemTxvevaSi<br />
mkacri reagireba da ara Tavis mar-<br />
Tleba da okupantebis namoqmedaris<br />
„gapraveba”.<br />
rogorc im SemTxvevaSi iyo,<br />
rodesac „sazRvris” aRmniSvneli<br />
baneri gadmoswies, xelisufleba ki<br />
gvicxadebda, araferi moxdao, maT<br />
mxolod sabWoTa rukebiT ixelm-<br />
ZRvaneles da samxreT oseTis sazRvari<br />
gaasworeso. gveyo dacinva,<br />
gveyo sxvis interesebze (afxazebze,<br />
osebze, rusebze, evropelebze)<br />
fiqri da zrunva, yoveli mtkaveli<br />
unda davicvaT, yoveli Cveni<br />
adamiani da ar veZeboT sakuTari<br />
uunarobis gamamarTlebeli sabu-<br />
Ti.<br />
aucilebelia, rom xelisuflebam<br />
adekvaturi midgoma SeimuSaos<br />
devnilebis mimarT. magaliTad, is<br />
faqti, rom afxazebs ufasod mkurnaloben<br />
saqarTvelos klinikebSi,<br />
xolo devnilebs Cveulebriv uxdebaT<br />
safasuris gadaxda da Tanxebis<br />
uqonlobis gamo bevri iRupeba<br />
ise, rom Tvalsac veRarasdros<br />
Seavlebs mowyurebul afxazeTis<br />
miwas, maTTvis seriozuli problemaa.<br />
maT esmiT am politikuri nabijis<br />
mniSvneloba, magram ar esmiT,<br />
ratom epyroba maT Tavad xelisufali<br />
ise, TiTqos ucxoni iyvnen,<br />
TiTqos maT naklebad uWirdeT,<br />
TiTqos ar iyvnen erTiani qarTuli<br />
sazogadoebis nawili?!! amis magivrad<br />
aJRereben iseT iniciativebs,<br />
romelic mimarTulia maTi<br />
yofis gauaresebaze, maTTvis statusis<br />
SeCerebaze, an statusTan<br />
mibmuli Semweobis gauqmebaze da<br />
ase Semdeg.<br />
aseT pirobebSi devnili mosaxleoba<br />
erTxelac gailaSqrebs am<br />
xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg misi<br />
„afxazebTan da osebTan Serigebis”<br />
politikis gamo, romlis msxverpli<br />
isev devnilebi xdebian.<br />
teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis<br />
saparalmento droebiTi komisia<br />
saerTodac umoqmedoa. adre,<br />
rodesac komisias batoni malaSxia<br />
xelmZRvanelobda, Zalian bevri<br />
ram keTdeboda am komisiis farglebSi<br />
okupaciis sawinaaRmdego<br />
politikis farglebSi. axali xelisuflebis<br />
pirobebSi am komisiam<br />
srulebiT dakarga Tavisi funqcia<br />
da iqca xelisuflebis uazro iniciativebis<br />
legalizebis meqanizmad.<br />
aucilebelia, es organo ufro<br />
aqtiuri da saqmiani gaxdes, mowydes<br />
Cveul saparlamento-sakabineto<br />
muSaobas da konkretuli iniciativebis<br />
generatorad gadaiqces.<br />
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