qronika+28(205)

Sedga, mas perspeqtiva gauCnda da
monawile mxareebisTvis sainteresoa.
anu sainteresoa ara marto saqarTvelosTvis,
aramed natos wevri
qveynebisTvisac, maT Soris,
upirvelesad, amerikis SeerTebuli
StatebisTvis. regionSi ki situacia
daZabulia da kidev ufro iZabeba.
2008 wels, rodesac ruseTsaqarTvelos
omi iyo, ruseTisa da
natos, ruseTisa da aSS-s urTier-
Toba, sxvaTa Soris, cudi ar gaxldaT.
Zalianac normalurad hqondaT
maSin es urTierTobebi. xolo
dRes, yuradReba mivaqcioT, ruseT-saqarTvelos
omis 9 wlisTavze,
TviTon ruseT-natosa da ruseTaSS-s
Soris daZabuloba ukve sakmaod
gazrdilia.
gasagebia, rom, Tavis droze, natos
CaeZina, am sityvis sruli mniSvnelobiT,
rodesac ruseTma Tavisi
aqtiuri moqmedebebi daiwyo
jer CeCneTis meore omis saxiT,
Semdeg ukve 2008-Si, saqarTveloSi
samxedro agresiis gagrZelebis saxiT
da amas yirimi, ukrainis aRmosavleTis
saomari procesebi mohyva.
am fonze, natom nel-nela gaRviZeba
daiwyo.
rogorc ityvian, sjobs gvian,
vidre arasdros. da axla, etyoba,
nato cdilobs, rom samxreT kavkasiaSi
poziciebi gaiZlieros, yovel
SemTxvevaSi, es poziciebi ar
dakargos mainc.
_ amis gaTvaliswinebiT,
samxedro wvrTnebs ra Sedegebi
eqneba?
_ wvrTnis Sedegi yovelTvis is
aris, rom samxedroebi, aseve me-
Taurebi, Stabis oficrebi erTmaneTs
gaicnoben, yvelafers, anu
urTierTSeTanxmebul sabrZolo
moqmedebebs, savele wvrTnebs daxvewen.
aseve sameTauro-saStabo
swavlebac gaimarTeba uSualod
StabebSi.
garda amisa, erT-erTi mTavari
faqtoria, magaliTad, sabrZolo
teqnikis gadmosrola igive evropidan
samxreT kavkasiaSi, konkretulad
foTis, an baTumis portSi.
sxvaTa Soris, swavlebis dawyebamde
ori dRiT adre Sedga saintereso
siaxle (eqsperiments ar
davarqmevdi), romelSic Tavadac
vmonawileobdi. kerZod, foTis portidan
moxda amerikuli borbliani
javSantransportiorebis, „straikerebis”
javSankolonis marSgadasvla
foTidan vazianis mimarTulebiT.
anu me, rogorc Jurnalistma,
amaSi monawileoba miviRe,
davakvirdi, aq es rogor xdeboda.
Tan amis sakmao gamocdileba maqvs,
es iqneboda cxinvalis, afxazeTis
omis dros, Tu eraySi da vici,
daaxloebiT, ra aris. anu ramdenad
mniSvnelovania operatiulad jav-
Sankolonis, vTqvaT, erTi raionidan
meoreSi gadasrola.
am SemTxvevaSi, es marS-gadasvla
aranakleb 400 kilometris man-
Zilze xdeboda da es warmatebiT
ganxorcielda. aqamde swavlebebisTvis
yoveli aseTi gadmoyvana fo-
Tidan vazianSi mxolod sarkinigzo
eSenlonebis saSualebiT xdeboda.
axla ukve Tavisi svliT gadmovidnen,
amasac Tavisi samxedro
mniSvneloba aqvs.
_ aris Tu es yvelaferi wingadadgmuli
nabiji natoSi gaw-
evrianebis gzaze?
_ pirdapir vityvi, rom saqarTvelo
ukve didi xania, mzad aris
gaxdes natos sruluflebiani wevri,
gind politikuri da gind samxedro
TvalsazrisiT. rasakvirvelia,
idealuri mdgomareba ar aris,
magram aseTi idealuri situacia
TviTon natos sivrceSic ar gvxvdeba.
natos wevri bevri qveyana
Cvenze ufro savalalod gamoiyureba,
gind samxedro da gind demokratiis,
an saerTo politikuri
TvalsazrisiT. aris aseTi, gansakuTrebiT
natos axali wevri qveynebi.
maT fonze, saqarTvelo cudad
namdvilad ar gamoiyureba. imasac
Tu miviRebT mxedvelobaSi, Tu ra
daxmarebas uwevs saqarTvelo natos
avRaneTSi TiTqmis rva weliwadia
(iq natos arawevr qveynebs
Soris yvelaze didi samxedro kontingenti
gvyavs da yvelaze cxel
wertilebSi), aqedan gamomdinare,
saqarTvelos didi xania ekuTvnis,
rom natos sruluflebiani wevri
iyos.
magram aq, ZiriTadad, politikuri
motivi moqmedebs, ruseTis
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com
amaze garkveul protests acxadebs
xolme, magram rogori reaqcia
eqneba, rodesac misi erT-erTi
seriozuli partniori, somxeTi,
amaSi Tavad monawileobs? marTalia,
samedicino aseulis saxiT,
magram amas arsebiTi mniSvneloba
ar aqvs, isic samxedro danayofia
da swavlebaSi natosTan erTad
monawileobs.
CvenTvis, saqarTvelos interesebisTvis,
piriqiT, es misaRebia,
anu rac ufro meti urTierToba
eqneba somxeTs natosTan da mas
dauaxlovdeba. ar unda daviviwyoT,
somxeTSi ganTavsebulia giumris
samxedro baza, saidanac 50 er-
Teulamde javSanteqnika 2008 wlis
agvistos omis dros somxeTsaqarTvelos
sazRvarze momdgari
iyo. kacma ar icis, isini ras izamdnen.
aq es faqtoricaa.
sxvaTa Soris, TviTon somxur
sazogadoebaSi ar aris iseTi erTgvarovani
ganwyoba, vinmem ifiqros,
rom isini marto ruseTis droSas
afrialeben. iq saqme ase martivad
ar aris, iqidan gamomdinare, rom
ruseTi ormag politikas axorcielebs,
rodesac orives aiaraRebs,
_ calke somxeTs da calke
azerbaijans da es niuansi yovelTvis
moqmedebs.
ase rom, somxeTTan damokidebuli
situacia arcTu ise erTazrovania.
somxeTi cdilobs, ruseTTan
es strategiuli urTierToba
hqondes, magram aseve cdilobs, ar
giorgi margvelaSvili
mbainze da a. S. mivxedoT marto
ekonomikas, turizms, yvelafris
warmoebas, ekonomikurad gav-
ZlierdeT...
magram, samwuxarod, mware istoriuli
gamocdileba gvaqvs da
dRevandeli realobac amas ambobs,
rom es TiTqmis SeuZlebelia.
saqarTvelom neitraliteti rom
gamoacxados, es niSnavs, rom Cven
dasavleTTan, natosTan unda SevaCeroT
raRac urTierTobebi an
gavyinoT. magram es ar niSnavs, rom
am gziT ruseTi Tavs gagvanebebs,
faqtori. Tu aqamde ruseTis faqtori
iyo, rom misi xelisuflebis
gaRizianeba ar undodaT (pirvel
rigSi, es evropis wamyvan qveynebs
exeba), axla amas is faqtoric emateba,
rom ruseTi samxedro TvalsazrisiT
ukve sakmaod gaZlierda
da natos ar surs, rom saqarTvelos
gamo mas rame samxedro konfliqti
mouvides. aq esec gasaTvaliswinebelia.
yvela es faqtori imas iwvevs,
rom, samwuxarod, saqarTvelo dRemde
ar aris natos wevri. da saqarTvelos
ratom unda aliansis
wevroba? erT-erTi mTavari mizezi
isaa, rom natos Tavdacvis qolgis
qveS aRmovCndeT. ruseTma rac
2008-Si aq TiTqmis dausjelad ganaxorciela,
es saSineleba aRar
moxdes.
_ wvrTnebSi somxeTis rolsa
da interss rogor ganixilavT?
_ sxvaTa Soris, saintereso situaciaa:
ruseTi, rogorc yovel-
Tvis, Riziandeba saqarTveloSi nebismieri
swavlebis CatarebiT da
N28 (205) 1.08-7.08.2017 w.
dakargos kavSirebi dasavleTTan
da, maT Soris, natosTanac.
_ am fonze, okupirebuli cx-
invalis teritoriaze rusul-os-
ur wvrTnebs ra datvirTva aqvs?
_ Cveni swavlebis dawyebamde
ruseTma Tavis samxreTis samxedro
olqSi es sabrZolo mzadyofnis-
Tvis varjiSebi daiwyo. sxvaTa Soris,
iq bevrad ufro didi masStabebia,
daaxloebiT, 16 aTas kaczea
saubari, roca CvenTan amaSi 2800
adamiani monawileobs, maT Soris,
cxinvalis okupirebul regionSic
xdeba es yvelaferi.
bunebrivia, es xdeboda, Tavis
droze, civi omis drosac, rodesac
natosa da varSavis xelSekrulebis
ori dapirispirebuli blokidan
erTi rom swavlebas iwyebda,
meorec mas mihyveboda. Cven, gvinda
Tu ara, nato-ruseTis, dasavleT-ruseTis
interesebis erTgvar
sazRvarze varT. adre nato ar arsebobda,
magram saqarTvelo yovelTvis
sxvadasxva imperiis brZolebis
xazze xvdeboda.
`TviTon somxur sazogadoebaSi ar aris iseTi
erTgvarovani ganwyoba, vinmem ifiqros, rom
isini marto ruseTis droSas afrialeben. iq
saqme ase martivad ar aris, iqidan
gamomdinare, rom ruseTi ormag politikas
axorcielebs, rodesac orives aiaraRebs, -
calke somxeTs da calke azerbaijans da es
niuansi yovelTvis moqmedebs~
_ okupaciis zonaSi viTarebis
SesaZlo garTulebis SemTxvevaSi,
dRes ramdenad mosalodnelia
dasavleli mokavSireebis re-
aluri Tanadgoma?
_ Tu realur TanadgomaSi
vgulisxmobT samxedro TvalsazrisiT
mxardaWeras, uSualod br-
Zolis an raRac msgavsi saxiT, mgoni,
am etapze es ararealuria. iq
aravin aseT rames ar daiwyebs. rasakvirvelia,
Cven yvela xerxiT unda
vecadoT, ar davuSvaT is, rac
2008 wels moxda. maSindel xelisuflebas
yvelaferi unda gaekeTebina,
rom es Tavidan agvecilebina da
Tu ara, droSi mainc gadagvedo.
dRes saqarTvelo ruseTs amis
sababs ar aZlevs, rom msgavsi ram
gaakeTos. Tumca ruseTis gageba
msoflios ar SeuZlia da amas marto
verc Cven SevZlebT. man yovel-
Tvis SeiZleba moiZios es yvelaferi.
aqedan gamomdinare, erTerT
mimarTulebad isev dasavleT-
Tan, natosTan urTierTobis gaRrmaveba
rCeba. miuxedavad imisa,
rom ar arsebobs asprocentiani
garantia imisa, rom CvenTvis iq
viRac Tavs dadebs da a. S.
ki, politikuri mxardaWera
iqneba, es bunebrivia, magram ramdenad
drouli da ramdenad srulyofili,
es ukve sxva saqmea. ise,
sxvaTa Soris, am mxriv absoluturad
guldajerebulebi arc isini
unda iyvnen, igive natos wevri
baltiis qveynebi. es bolo erTiori
welia natom iq gaZliereba,
samxedro qvedanayofebis gadasrola
da Seqmna daiwyo, Torem aqamde
baltiispirelebi marto aliansis
wevrebi iyvnen da iq araviTari
realuri samxedro Zala ar arsebobda,
rom rusuli agresiisgan
daecva. axla ki raRacas akeTeben,
Tumca jer es arasakmarisia.
_ am viTarebaSi Cveni qvey-
nisTvis gamosavali sad aris?
_ idealuri gamosavali erTgvari
neitralitetia, CvenTvis
vicxovroT da fuli vxarjoT ara
tankze, aramed traqtorze, ko-
rogorc amas zogierTi fiqrobs.
ara, piriqiT, is Tavisas gaagr-
Zelebs da SeiZleba es yvelaferi
ufro martivad gaakeTos.
aqedan gamomdinare, aq mTavaria,
ra unda ruseTs, mis dRevandel
xelisuflebs ki surs, rom ruse-
Tis imperia aRadginos. rogorc
TviTon amboben, es jer axlo aRmosavleTis
farglebSi (aq iTvleba
saqarTvelo, somxeTi, azerbaijani,
Sua azia) da Semdeg ufro
Sorsac, yofili varSavis xelSekrulebis
qveynebis mimarTulebiT
unda moxdes.
amitom ruseTis interesi esaa,
rom am mimarTulebiT gaZlierdes,
miT umetes, misi interesebi dRes
siriaSicaa. da saqarTvelo mas imisTvis
sWirdeba, rom aq Tavisuflad
imoZraos, rogorc Savi
zRvis akvatoriasTan dakavSirebiT
(mis aRmosavleT nawilSi) da aseve
Crdilo kavkasiidan gasasvleli
hqondes somxeTze, iranze, romelic
aseve misi partnioria; aseve
Semdeg siriaze gavides, rac Sei-
Zleba meti interesi hqondes axlo
aRmosavleTSi da a. S.
am SeTxvevaSi ruseTisTvis saqarTvelo
ar warmoadgens raRac
gansakuTrebiT ZiriTad mowinaaRmdeges.
Cven varT erTgvari Sualeduri
rgoli, erTgvari derefani,
romelic mas surs ufro strategiuli
mimarTulebiT, pirvel rig-
Si, axlo aRmosavleTSi kremlis
poziciebis gasaZliereblad gamoiyenos.
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