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igi TviTnaswavli xelovania.<br />

misi saintereso persona rom SeafasoT, gardasaxvis sakuTar<br />

Tavze gamocda udides siamovnebas moggvriT, _ jadosnuri<br />

xelebis SesaZlebloba fotoebidanac Cans.<br />

22 wlis sociolog gogonas<br />

niWi aRmoaCnda, romliTac adami-<br />

anebs abednierebs da TviTonac<br />

udides siamovnebas iRebs. masTan<br />

misuli Secvlili garegnobiT<br />

rom Sinisken daadgebiT gzas, ma-<br />

Sin mixvdebiT, Tu ramdenad gan-<br />

sxvavebuli SeiZleba iyoT swored<br />

am gogonas daxmarebiT.<br />

mariam WumburiZe erT-erT im<br />

adamianTagania, romelmac saku-<br />

Tari interesis sfero Tavad ip-<br />

ova, codnac Tavad gaiRrmava da<br />

dRes am sferoSi wamyvan special-<br />

istebsac ki aRemateba.<br />

„qronika+” warmatebul da ni-<br />

Wier qarTvel gogonas gagacnobT,<br />

romlis silamazec, niWTan erTad,<br />

namdvilad sasiamovnoa. maS, ase:<br />

gaicaniT sociologi, xelovani _<br />

mariam WumburiZe.<br />

_ momiyevi cotaodeni Senze:<br />

vin xar, warmoSobiT saidan, ram-<br />

deni wlis, ras saqmianob?<br />

_ mogesalmebiT, pirvel rigSi,<br />

didi madloba dainteresebisTvis.<br />

me var mariam WumburiZe, 22 wlis.<br />

wels davamTare Tbilisis saxelmwifo<br />

universiteti, socialur-politikuri<br />

mecnierebebis fakulteti,<br />

konkretulad ki _ sociologia.<br />

_ ratom dainteresdi sociologiiT<br />

da Semdeg, ram gibiZ-<br />

ga makiaJis keTebisken?<br />

_ Cemi cxovrebis swored im etapze,<br />

rodesac sociologiis arCeva<br />

gadavwyvite, rogorc xdeba,<br />

Rrmad ar viyavi am sferoSi Caxeduli,<br />

Tumca wlebis matebasTan<br />

erTad es codna mravalferovani<br />

da yovlismomcveli gaxda, raSic<br />

Zalian did madlobas vuxdi Cems<br />

TiToeul leqtors, romlebic<br />

gamorCeulebi, samagaliToebi da<br />

profesionalebi arian. am universitetma<br />

ara mxolod Cems profesiul<br />

ganaTlebaze izruna, aramed<br />

Zalian didi wvlili Seitana Cemi<br />

pirovnuli Tvisebebis CamoyalibebaSi.<br />

sociologia _ es aris adamianebTan<br />

urTierToba, swored im<br />

kiTxvaze pasuxis gacema, Tu ratom<br />

axorcieleben individebi ama Tu im<br />

qmedebas. mokled rom vTqvaT, es<br />

aris sazogadoebisa da socialuri<br />

urTierTobebis mecnieruli Seswavla.<br />

sociologia metad mniSvnelovani<br />

sferoa da mixaria, rom<br />

nel-nela Cvens qveyanaSi viTardeba<br />

da mis Seswavlazec moTxovna<br />

izrdeba. rac Seexeba makiaJis keTebas,<br />

Tavidan es yvelaferi CemTvis<br />

hobad iwodeboda, Tumca maleve<br />

gavacnobiere, rom Cems cxovreba-<br />

Si mas didi adgili unda daekavebina<br />

da rom es xelovneba bevrad<br />

meti iyo CemTvis, vidre hobi.<br />

Tavdapirvelad, videoebis yurebiT<br />

daviwye. am yvelafers Zalian<br />

did dros vuTmobdi da rac mTavaria,<br />

es ki ar mRlida da mbezrdeboda,<br />

aramed am yvelafrisgan siamovnebas<br />

viRebdi, rac umTavresia<br />

nebismieri adamianisTvis, ra sferoSic<br />

ar unda moRvaweobdes igi.<br />

_ rodis da ra etapze daiwyo<br />

es yvelaferi? rogor moaxerxe am<br />

xelovnebis daufleba?<br />

_ es yvelaferi, daaxloebiT, 3<br />

wlis winaT daiwyo maSin, rodesac<br />

jer verc ki warmovidgendi, rom am<br />

gziT wavidodi da CemTvis umTavresi<br />

saqmianoba gaxdeboda. Ti-<br />

Toeuli videos naxvis Semdeg survili<br />

miCndeboda, igive gamekeTebina<br />

da sakuTari SesaZleblobebi Semefasebina,<br />

gamomecada Tavi, Tu<br />

ramdenad SemeZlo ameTvisebina mxolod<br />

Soridan nanaxi. cota ufro<br />

mogvianebiT am yvelafris praqtikaSi<br />

ganxorcieleba daviwye, Tavi-<br />

36<br />

nino tabaRua<br />

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dan Cems megobrebs vukeTebdi, daqalebs,<br />

das da dedas, Semdgom ki<br />

nel-nela yvelaferi TavisiT aewyo.<br />

ara mxolod me, aramed Cem<br />

garSemo myofebi xvdebodnen da<br />

meubnebodnen, rom makiaJis keTeba<br />

da adamianebis kidev ufro galamazeba<br />

Zalian kargad gamomdis. es<br />

CemTvis maSindelidan moyolebuli<br />

didi stimuli iyo da aris axlac.<br />

stimulic da motivaciac. Zalian<br />

did mniSvnelobas vaniWeb praqtikul<br />

codnasa da gamocdilebas<br />

ara mxolod am sferoSi, aramed<br />

yvelgan. SeiZleba Teoriulad yvelaferi<br />

zedmiwevniT kargad icode,<br />

Tumca misi praqtikaSi ganxorcileba<br />

ver SeZlo. Sesabamisad, is<br />

dro CemTvis dasafasebeli, Sromatevadi<br />

da tkbilad gasaxsenebelia.<br />

TiToeuli Secdomis gamosworeba<br />

da is, Tu rogor vixvewebodi,<br />

kargad maxsovs. mgonia, rom<br />

Cemeuli silamazis aRqma maqvs, rogorc<br />

yvela sxva individualur<br />

adamians.<br />

_ ra sirTuleebi Segxvda gzad<br />

cxovrebaSi?<br />

_ albaT ar arsebobs adamiani,<br />

romelsac Tundac patara, magram<br />

rTulad gadasalaxi periodi ar<br />

hqonia. aseT dros gamovicdebiT<br />

TiToeuli Cvengani da swored sir-<br />

Tuleebi gvexmareba, dagvanaxos<br />

Cveni susti da Zlieri mxareebi,<br />

rogor SevZlebT Cveni upiratesobebis<br />

sworad warmoCenas da myarad<br />

fexze dadgomas. konkretuli<br />

araferi maxsendeba cudad, magram<br />

Cems ojaxSi bevrjer yofila materialuri<br />

problemebi, Tumca mgonia,<br />

rom didi Sromis Sedegad yvelaferi<br />

miRwevadia da swored am<br />

gziT mivdivar axlac.<br />

_ ras grZnob maSin, rodesac<br />

SenTan mosuli gogona an qalbatoni<br />

Seni namuSevriT aRfrTov-<br />

anebulia?<br />

_ es is SegrZnebaa, romlis gadmocemac<br />

sityvebiT marTla ar SemiZlia.<br />

am dros ubednieresi var,<br />

Tumca es sityva kidev ver aRwers<br />

im emociebs, romlebic erTdroulad<br />

iyrian Tavs CemSi. asmagad, aTasmagad<br />

da milionmagad bednieri,<br />

amayi, gaxarebuli vxdebi, roca vxedav,<br />

rom sxvas bednierebas da sixaruls<br />

vaniWeb. mgonia, rom cxovrebaSi<br />

arsebobs grZnobebi, romlebsac<br />

verasdros gadmoscem sityvebiT.<br />

_ ras niSnavs iyo ganaTlebiT<br />

sociologi da, amavdroulad,<br />

SegeZlos makiaJis xelovnebis<br />

SesaniSnavad floba?<br />

_ imdenad aris orive maTgani<br />

CemTvis urTierTkavSirSi, rom<br />

kargis mets arafers niSnavs. zustad<br />

adamianebTan urTierTobaa<br />

sociologiis fundamenturi sakvlevi<br />

sakiTxi da swored adamianebTan<br />

urTierTobaa CemTvis am<br />

xelovnebis flobac, amavdroulad.<br />

orive maTgani Cemi profesiaa<br />

da es CemTvis saamayoa.<br />

_ vin gifasebs yvelaze obieq-<br />

turad Sens namuSevrebs?<br />

_ yvelaze obieqturad, mainc,<br />

mgonia, rom deda mifasebs namuSevrebs,<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom Cemi<br />

uaxloesi megobrebic arian Cemi<br />

mrCevlebi yvela sakiTxSi, ara mxolod<br />

Cems am saqmianobaSi. dedas<br />

azri CemTvis upirvelesi da umniSvnelovanesia.<br />

arasdros SemiZlia<br />

misi Sexedulebebis gauTvaliswinebloba,<br />

imdenad ramdenadac mgonia,<br />

rom yvelaze metad mas unda,<br />

rom viyo warmatebuli da mivaRwio<br />

bevrs im saqmeSi, rac Cems cxovrebaSi<br />

umTavresia da romlis keTebac<br />

msiamovnebs. bevrjer uTqvams,<br />

mariam WumburiZe:<br />

`ar davnebdebi<br />

da arasdros<br />

davyri far-<br />

xmals, raTa<br />

uari ar vTqva<br />

Cems ocnebebze~<br />

Tu rame Sesworebas Seitanda romelime<br />

maTganSi, magram gulwrfelad<br />

rom giTxraT, es Zalian iSviaTad<br />

xdeba, iqidan gamomdinare,<br />

rom Cveni gemovneba, xedvebi da<br />

azrebi erTmaneTs emTxveva.<br />

_ zogadad Tu xatav, an gicdia<br />

am mimarTulebiT wasvla?<br />

_ Zalian xSirad mekiTxebian, Tu<br />

vxatav da yovelTvis mecineba, sanam<br />

vupasuxeb, radgan ramdenad<br />

gasaocaric ar unda iyos, ar vxatav.<br />

rac dro gadis, mgonia, rom ar<br />

aris aucilebeli viyo mxatvari,<br />

romelic raime tiloze gadmoitans<br />

nebismier silamazes, radgan<br />

iseve rogorc misTvis, aseve CemTvisac<br />

mniSvnelovania xedva, ferebi,<br />

silamazis individualuri<br />

aRqma. adamianis saxe da am saxeze<br />

namuSevari makiaJis saxiT _ swored<br />

esaa CemTvis xelovneba da xatva.<br />

Tumca am Temaze fiqris Semdeg samomavlod<br />

vapireb sakuTari Sesa-<br />

Zleblobebis gamocdas. iqneb, arasworadac<br />

mgonia da isic mSvenivrad<br />

gamomdis.<br />

_ vin ggulSematkivrobs am<br />

saqmeSi yvelaze metad?<br />

_ sabednierod, marTla Zalian<br />

bevri gulSematkivari myavs, ase<br />

konkretulad aravis gamoyofa ar<br />

SemiZlia. yvelani midganan gverd-<br />

Si da sjeraT Cemi. ara mxolod<br />

ojaxis wevrebi, axloblebi, naTesavebi,<br />

daqalebi da a. S., aramed<br />

sruliad ucxo adamianebi, romlebic<br />

Cemi namuSevrebis naxvis Semdeg<br />

mweren, Tbil sityvebs meubnebian,<br />

mamxneveben, aRfrTovanebulebi<br />

arian Cemi SemoqmedebiT da<br />

warmatebebs misurveben. arc ki<br />

vici, ra vuTxra TiToeul maTgans<br />

udidesi madlobis, pativiscemisa<br />

da dafasebis garda. arc erTs<br />

arasdros gavucrueb imedebs da<br />

Cem mimarT ndobas.<br />

_ zogadad, ras akeTeb yvelaze<br />

didi siamovnebiT?<br />

_ mokled minda, am kiTxvaze gipasuxo:<br />

yvelaze didi siamovnebiT<br />

vakeTeb imas, risi gakeTebiTac sxvas<br />

vabedniereb!<br />

_ visTvis an risTvis ar genane-<br />

ba raime?<br />

_ Cemi ojaxis wevrebisTvis,<br />

CemTvis umniSvnelovanesi adamianisTvis,<br />

romelic gverdiT midgas.<br />

bevrjer miTqvams: isini arian adamianebi,<br />

romlebisTvisac SemiZlia,<br />

sulic gaviRo da amaze erTi wuTi-<br />

Tac ar davfiqrde.<br />

ar menaneba arc erTi wamiT is<br />

dauRalavi Sroma, romelsac CemTvis<br />

Zalian mniSvnelovani da sayvareli<br />

saqmisTvis yoveldRiurad<br />

vakeTeb.<br />

_ ra aris yvelaze mniSvnelo-<br />

vani SenTvis saqmeSi?<br />

_ CemTvis am saqmeSi yvelaze metad<br />

mniSvnelovania pasuxismgeblobis<br />

grZnoba, imedebis gamarTleba,<br />

Sroma da drois, Cemi SesaZleblobebisa<br />

da resursebis maqsimalurad<br />

sworad gamoyeneba.<br />

_ ra aris yvelaze Rirebuli<br />

adamianSi?<br />

_ yvelaze Rirebuli adamianSi<br />

aris rwmena, imedi, optimizmi, mizanswrafuloba,<br />

riTac SeZlebs<br />

nebismieri dabrkolebis gadalaxvas<br />

da sakuTari survilebisa da<br />

ocnebebis asrulebas, agreTve<br />

Sromismoyvareoba, madliereba, pasuxismgeblobis<br />

grZnoba. TiToeul<br />

maTgans Zalian vafaseb adamianSi.<br />

_ gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />

ginania?<br />

_ ramdenad gasaocaric ar unda<br />

iyos, Cems cxovrebaSi ar arsebobs<br />

aseTi gadawyvetileba. yovelTvis<br />

vcdilobdi, Cemi cxovrebis man-<br />

Zilze gadamedga nabijebi, romelic<br />

Semdgom sananebeli ar gamixdeboda.<br />

axlac ase var.<br />

_ ra gaRizianebs yvelaze<br />

metad?<br />

_ maRizianebs im saqmis keTeba,<br />

romelic ar miyvars da misi keTebisgan<br />

siamovnebas ar viReb. maRizianebs,<br />

agreTve, pasiuri cxovreba,<br />

erTi da igive da momabezrebeli<br />

cxovrebis ritmi, maRizianebs<br />

uimedoba adamianebSi, yovelTvis<br />

yvelafriT ukmayofilo xalxi,<br />

umaduroba, arakeTilganwyoba da<br />

sxva mravali, Tundac wvrilmanebi,<br />

romlebic yoveldRiur cxovreba-<br />

Si gvxvdeba.<br />

_ risTvis ar genaneba dro?<br />

_ ar menaneba dro, romelic mizanmimarTulia<br />

swavlisken, pirovnuli<br />

ganviTarebisken, progresisken,<br />

winsvlisken, Sromisken. ar<br />

menaneba dro, romelsac sxva adamianebis<br />

daxmarebaSi davxarjav. aseve<br />

ar menaneba sakuTari Tavis movlisTvis<br />

daxarjuli dro.<br />

_ Tavisufal dros ras akeTeb<br />

xolme?<br />

36 N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.

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