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igi TviTnaswavli xelovania.<br />
misi saintereso persona rom SeafasoT, gardasaxvis sakuTar<br />
Tavze gamocda udides siamovnebas moggvriT, _ jadosnuri<br />
xelebis SesaZlebloba fotoebidanac Cans.<br />
22 wlis sociolog gogonas<br />
niWi aRmoaCnda, romliTac adami-<br />
anebs abednierebs da TviTonac<br />
udides siamovnebas iRebs. masTan<br />
misuli Secvlili garegnobiT<br />
rom Sinisken daadgebiT gzas, ma-<br />
Sin mixvdebiT, Tu ramdenad gan-<br />
sxvavebuli SeiZleba iyoT swored<br />
am gogonas daxmarebiT.<br />
mariam WumburiZe erT-erT im<br />
adamianTagania, romelmac saku-<br />
Tari interesis sfero Tavad ip-<br />
ova, codnac Tavad gaiRrmava da<br />
dRes am sferoSi wamyvan special-<br />
istebsac ki aRemateba.<br />
„qronika+” warmatebul da ni-<br />
Wier qarTvel gogonas gagacnobT,<br />
romlis silamazec, niWTan erTad,<br />
namdvilad sasiamovnoa. maS, ase:<br />
gaicaniT sociologi, xelovani _<br />
mariam WumburiZe.<br />
_ momiyevi cotaodeni Senze:<br />
vin xar, warmoSobiT saidan, ram-<br />
deni wlis, ras saqmianob?<br />
_ mogesalmebiT, pirvel rigSi,<br />
didi madloba dainteresebisTvis.<br />
me var mariam WumburiZe, 22 wlis.<br />
wels davamTare Tbilisis saxelmwifo<br />
universiteti, socialur-politikuri<br />
mecnierebebis fakulteti,<br />
konkretulad ki _ sociologia.<br />
_ ratom dainteresdi sociologiiT<br />
da Semdeg, ram gibiZ-<br />
ga makiaJis keTebisken?<br />
_ Cemi cxovrebis swored im etapze,<br />
rodesac sociologiis arCeva<br />
gadavwyvite, rogorc xdeba,<br />
Rrmad ar viyavi am sferoSi Caxeduli,<br />
Tumca wlebis matebasTan<br />
erTad es codna mravalferovani<br />
da yovlismomcveli gaxda, raSic<br />
Zalian did madlobas vuxdi Cems<br />
TiToeul leqtors, romlebic<br />
gamorCeulebi, samagaliToebi da<br />
profesionalebi arian. am universitetma<br />
ara mxolod Cems profesiul<br />
ganaTlebaze izruna, aramed<br />
Zalian didi wvlili Seitana Cemi<br />
pirovnuli Tvisebebis CamoyalibebaSi.<br />
sociologia _ es aris adamianebTan<br />
urTierToba, swored im<br />
kiTxvaze pasuxis gacema, Tu ratom<br />
axorcieleben individebi ama Tu im<br />
qmedebas. mokled rom vTqvaT, es<br />
aris sazogadoebisa da socialuri<br />
urTierTobebis mecnieruli Seswavla.<br />
sociologia metad mniSvnelovani<br />
sferoa da mixaria, rom<br />
nel-nela Cvens qveyanaSi viTardeba<br />
da mis Seswavlazec moTxovna<br />
izrdeba. rac Seexeba makiaJis keTebas,<br />
Tavidan es yvelaferi CemTvis<br />
hobad iwodeboda, Tumca maleve<br />
gavacnobiere, rom Cems cxovreba-<br />
Si mas didi adgili unda daekavebina<br />
da rom es xelovneba bevrad<br />
meti iyo CemTvis, vidre hobi.<br />
Tavdapirvelad, videoebis yurebiT<br />
daviwye. am yvelafers Zalian<br />
did dros vuTmobdi da rac mTavaria,<br />
es ki ar mRlida da mbezrdeboda,<br />
aramed am yvelafrisgan siamovnebas<br />
viRebdi, rac umTavresia<br />
nebismieri adamianisTvis, ra sferoSic<br />
ar unda moRvaweobdes igi.<br />
_ rodis da ra etapze daiwyo<br />
es yvelaferi? rogor moaxerxe am<br />
xelovnebis daufleba?<br />
_ es yvelaferi, daaxloebiT, 3<br />
wlis winaT daiwyo maSin, rodesac<br />
jer verc ki warmovidgendi, rom am<br />
gziT wavidodi da CemTvis umTavresi<br />
saqmianoba gaxdeboda. Ti-<br />
Toeuli videos naxvis Semdeg survili<br />
miCndeboda, igive gamekeTebina<br />
da sakuTari SesaZleblobebi Semefasebina,<br />
gamomecada Tavi, Tu<br />
ramdenad SemeZlo ameTvisebina mxolod<br />
Soridan nanaxi. cota ufro<br />
mogvianebiT am yvelafris praqtikaSi<br />
ganxorcieleba daviwye, Tavi-<br />
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dan Cems megobrebs vukeTebdi, daqalebs,<br />
das da dedas, Semdgom ki<br />
nel-nela yvelaferi TavisiT aewyo.<br />
ara mxolod me, aramed Cem<br />
garSemo myofebi xvdebodnen da<br />
meubnebodnen, rom makiaJis keTeba<br />
da adamianebis kidev ufro galamazeba<br />
Zalian kargad gamomdis. es<br />
CemTvis maSindelidan moyolebuli<br />
didi stimuli iyo da aris axlac.<br />
stimulic da motivaciac. Zalian<br />
did mniSvnelobas vaniWeb praqtikul<br />
codnasa da gamocdilebas<br />
ara mxolod am sferoSi, aramed<br />
yvelgan. SeiZleba Teoriulad yvelaferi<br />
zedmiwevniT kargad icode,<br />
Tumca misi praqtikaSi ganxorcileba<br />
ver SeZlo. Sesabamisad, is<br />
dro CemTvis dasafasebeli, Sromatevadi<br />
da tkbilad gasaxsenebelia.<br />
TiToeuli Secdomis gamosworeba<br />
da is, Tu rogor vixvewebodi,<br />
kargad maxsovs. mgonia, rom<br />
Cemeuli silamazis aRqma maqvs, rogorc<br />
yvela sxva individualur<br />
adamians.<br />
_ ra sirTuleebi Segxvda gzad<br />
cxovrebaSi?<br />
_ albaT ar arsebobs adamiani,<br />
romelsac Tundac patara, magram<br />
rTulad gadasalaxi periodi ar<br />
hqonia. aseT dros gamovicdebiT<br />
TiToeuli Cvengani da swored sir-<br />
Tuleebi gvexmareba, dagvanaxos<br />
Cveni susti da Zlieri mxareebi,<br />
rogor SevZlebT Cveni upiratesobebis<br />
sworad warmoCenas da myarad<br />
fexze dadgomas. konkretuli<br />
araferi maxsendeba cudad, magram<br />
Cems ojaxSi bevrjer yofila materialuri<br />
problemebi, Tumca mgonia,<br />
rom didi Sromis Sedegad yvelaferi<br />
miRwevadia da swored am<br />
gziT mivdivar axlac.<br />
_ ras grZnob maSin, rodesac<br />
SenTan mosuli gogona an qalbatoni<br />
Seni namuSevriT aRfrTov-<br />
anebulia?<br />
_ es is SegrZnebaa, romlis gadmocemac<br />
sityvebiT marTla ar SemiZlia.<br />
am dros ubednieresi var,<br />
Tumca es sityva kidev ver aRwers<br />
im emociebs, romlebic erTdroulad<br />
iyrian Tavs CemSi. asmagad, aTasmagad<br />
da milionmagad bednieri,<br />
amayi, gaxarebuli vxdebi, roca vxedav,<br />
rom sxvas bednierebas da sixaruls<br />
vaniWeb. mgonia, rom cxovrebaSi<br />
arsebobs grZnobebi, romlebsac<br />
verasdros gadmoscem sityvebiT.<br />
_ ras niSnavs iyo ganaTlebiT<br />
sociologi da, amavdroulad,<br />
SegeZlos makiaJis xelovnebis<br />
SesaniSnavad floba?<br />
_ imdenad aris orive maTgani<br />
CemTvis urTierTkavSirSi, rom<br />
kargis mets arafers niSnavs. zustad<br />
adamianebTan urTierTobaa<br />
sociologiis fundamenturi sakvlevi<br />
sakiTxi da swored adamianebTan<br />
urTierTobaa CemTvis am<br />
xelovnebis flobac, amavdroulad.<br />
orive maTgani Cemi profesiaa<br />
da es CemTvis saamayoa.<br />
_ vin gifasebs yvelaze obieq-<br />
turad Sens namuSevrebs?<br />
_ yvelaze obieqturad, mainc,<br />
mgonia, rom deda mifasebs namuSevrebs,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom Cemi<br />
uaxloesi megobrebic arian Cemi<br />
mrCevlebi yvela sakiTxSi, ara mxolod<br />
Cems am saqmianobaSi. dedas<br />
azri CemTvis upirvelesi da umniSvnelovanesia.<br />
arasdros SemiZlia<br />
misi Sexedulebebis gauTvaliswinebloba,<br />
imdenad ramdenadac mgonia,<br />
rom yvelaze metad mas unda,<br />
rom viyo warmatebuli da mivaRwio<br />
bevrs im saqmeSi, rac Cems cxovrebaSi<br />
umTavresia da romlis keTebac<br />
msiamovnebs. bevrjer uTqvams,<br />
mariam WumburiZe:<br />
`ar davnebdebi<br />
da arasdros<br />
davyri far-<br />
xmals, raTa<br />
uari ar vTqva<br />
Cems ocnebebze~<br />
Tu rame Sesworebas Seitanda romelime<br />
maTganSi, magram gulwrfelad<br />
rom giTxraT, es Zalian iSviaTad<br />
xdeba, iqidan gamomdinare,<br />
rom Cveni gemovneba, xedvebi da<br />
azrebi erTmaneTs emTxveva.<br />
_ zogadad Tu xatav, an gicdia<br />
am mimarTulebiT wasvla?<br />
_ Zalian xSirad mekiTxebian, Tu<br />
vxatav da yovelTvis mecineba, sanam<br />
vupasuxeb, radgan ramdenad<br />
gasaocaric ar unda iyos, ar vxatav.<br />
rac dro gadis, mgonia, rom ar<br />
aris aucilebeli viyo mxatvari,<br />
romelic raime tiloze gadmoitans<br />
nebismier silamazes, radgan<br />
iseve rogorc misTvis, aseve CemTvisac<br />
mniSvnelovania xedva, ferebi,<br />
silamazis individualuri<br />
aRqma. adamianis saxe da am saxeze<br />
namuSevari makiaJis saxiT _ swored<br />
esaa CemTvis xelovneba da xatva.<br />
Tumca am Temaze fiqris Semdeg samomavlod<br />
vapireb sakuTari Sesa-<br />
Zleblobebis gamocdas. iqneb, arasworadac<br />
mgonia da isic mSvenivrad<br />
gamomdis.<br />
_ vin ggulSematkivrobs am<br />
saqmeSi yvelaze metad?<br />
_ sabednierod, marTla Zalian<br />
bevri gulSematkivari myavs, ase<br />
konkretulad aravis gamoyofa ar<br />
SemiZlia. yvelani midganan gverd-<br />
Si da sjeraT Cemi. ara mxolod<br />
ojaxis wevrebi, axloblebi, naTesavebi,<br />
daqalebi da a. S., aramed<br />
sruliad ucxo adamianebi, romlebic<br />
Cemi namuSevrebis naxvis Semdeg<br />
mweren, Tbil sityvebs meubnebian,<br />
mamxneveben, aRfrTovanebulebi<br />
arian Cemi SemoqmedebiT da<br />
warmatebebs misurveben. arc ki<br />
vici, ra vuTxra TiToeul maTgans<br />
udidesi madlobis, pativiscemisa<br />
da dafasebis garda. arc erTs<br />
arasdros gavucrueb imedebs da<br />
Cem mimarT ndobas.<br />
_ zogadad, ras akeTeb yvelaze<br />
didi siamovnebiT?<br />
_ mokled minda, am kiTxvaze gipasuxo:<br />
yvelaze didi siamovnebiT<br />
vakeTeb imas, risi gakeTebiTac sxvas<br />
vabedniereb!<br />
_ visTvis an risTvis ar genane-<br />
ba raime?<br />
_ Cemi ojaxis wevrebisTvis,<br />
CemTvis umniSvnelovanesi adamianisTvis,<br />
romelic gverdiT midgas.<br />
bevrjer miTqvams: isini arian adamianebi,<br />
romlebisTvisac SemiZlia,<br />
sulic gaviRo da amaze erTi wuTi-<br />
Tac ar davfiqrde.<br />
ar menaneba arc erTi wamiT is<br />
dauRalavi Sroma, romelsac CemTvis<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovani da sayvareli<br />
saqmisTvis yoveldRiurad<br />
vakeTeb.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze mniSvnelo-<br />
vani SenTvis saqmeSi?<br />
_ CemTvis am saqmeSi yvelaze metad<br />
mniSvnelovania pasuxismgeblobis<br />
grZnoba, imedebis gamarTleba,<br />
Sroma da drois, Cemi SesaZleblobebisa<br />
da resursebis maqsimalurad<br />
sworad gamoyeneba.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze Rirebuli<br />
adamianSi?<br />
_ yvelaze Rirebuli adamianSi<br />
aris rwmena, imedi, optimizmi, mizanswrafuloba,<br />
riTac SeZlebs<br />
nebismieri dabrkolebis gadalaxvas<br />
da sakuTari survilebisa da<br />
ocnebebis asrulebas, agreTve<br />
Sromismoyvareoba, madliereba, pasuxismgeblobis<br />
grZnoba. TiToeul<br />
maTgans Zalian vafaseb adamianSi.<br />
_ gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />
ginania?<br />
_ ramdenad gasaocaric ar unda<br />
iyos, Cems cxovrebaSi ar arsebobs<br />
aseTi gadawyvetileba. yovelTvis<br />
vcdilobdi, Cemi cxovrebis man-<br />
Zilze gadamedga nabijebi, romelic<br />
Semdgom sananebeli ar gamixdeboda.<br />
axlac ase var.<br />
_ ra gaRizianebs yvelaze<br />
metad?<br />
_ maRizianebs im saqmis keTeba,<br />
romelic ar miyvars da misi keTebisgan<br />
siamovnebas ar viReb. maRizianebs,<br />
agreTve, pasiuri cxovreba,<br />
erTi da igive da momabezrebeli<br />
cxovrebis ritmi, maRizianebs<br />
uimedoba adamianebSi, yovelTvis<br />
yvelafriT ukmayofilo xalxi,<br />
umaduroba, arakeTilganwyoba da<br />
sxva mravali, Tundac wvrilmanebi,<br />
romlebic yoveldRiur cxovreba-<br />
Si gvxvdeba.<br />
_ risTvis ar genaneba dro?<br />
_ ar menaneba dro, romelic mizanmimarTulia<br />
swavlisken, pirovnuli<br />
ganviTarebisken, progresisken,<br />
winsvlisken, Sromisken. ar<br />
menaneba dro, romelsac sxva adamianebis<br />
daxmarebaSi davxarjav. aseve<br />
ar menaneba sakuTari Tavis movlisTvis<br />
daxarjuli dro.<br />
_ Tavisufal dros ras akeTeb<br />
xolme?<br />
36 N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.