ZIP DOBYNS (Astrology) - Film Score Rundowns

tried over and over and over to quit, and in his last couple years of life he finally was able
to quit. It’s very hard on the system, very poisonous.”
[Stephanie: “That’s only the physical part of it. What’s really causing you to
smoke is something deeper.”]
Zip: “No, there’s a physical component too.”
[Bill: “But isn’t that being deterministic too if you say that? Many people would
say it’s your attitude towards the substance that’s the power.”]
Zip: “Habits are deterministic until you learn to change them. You are determined
until you can learn to change your habits. There’s truth in what you say in that you can be
a chronic smoker and live to be a hundred years old and never get cancer [like George
Burns]. I think a psychiatrist in London did a study once in an eastern European country
of the character types that got cancer. And it was character (emotional reactions) more
than tobacco that gave them cancer. But if you get the combination of [poor emotional
reaction to life and smoking] then you’re in real trouble. If you really like yourself and
your life—truly, really like yourself and enjoy your life—you won’t get cancer and you
can smoke all your life and never get cancer, or eat junk food, or sit in an armchair and
not exercise! But you are happy with yourself and your life, and you don’t get sick. So
the psychological component is the basic or most important thing. All the rest plays a
[lesser] role.”
[Zip later talks about a spiritualist minister who passed away, in progress..] “Hel
was 12 Cancer, so her local East point and Mars and Saturn for years had gone over that.
She talked to the dead as a spiritualist minister but finally went over herself.”
[Bill: “Why was she so dissatisfied if she was still doing her work right to the
end?”]
Zip: “She wanted to go on doing it here. Maybe she didn’t want to leave her
husband. I don’t know how happy she was at what she was doing. I assume she was
unhappy because she did get sick. But you can wear out the body even when you’re
happy.”
[Bill: “You mean like Edgar Cayce who over-extended himself?”]
Zip: “You can do things that wear out the body if you’re not being practical about
coping with the physical world, what the body needs.”
[Bill: “Look at Jane Roberts of the Seth Material.”]
Zip: Yeah, sure. A lot of psychic people die young because they don’t take care of
their body, and being so sensitive is a hazard to the body, actually. A lot of psychics get
into deep trouble with being oversensitive to the psychic.”
[Bill: “You never said you were psychic.”]
Zip: “I did not develop that. I’ve seen it do too much damage. I stick with the
intellect. The intellect—the conscious side of the mind—doesn’t have the same power to
make you sick. The subconscious does! I like being healthy!”
[Bill: “Well, it’s kind of sad her being a psychic minister going like she did.”]
Zip: “All of us have to go sometime.”
[Bill: “Yeah, but wouldn’t you rather like to go with a big smile on your face?”]
Zip: “She was 83.”
[Bill: “Yeah, but wouldn’t you like to go happy?”]
Zip: “Yes. I figure the way to go is to sleep and walk out when the body is asleep.
Relatively healthy but it’s just your time to leave. The fact that makes it look like she
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