ZIP DOBYNS (Astrology) - Film Score Rundowns

was not happy was that she was in pain, because you can die without pain—including
with cancer. I had a neighbor whose mother died of cancer, and she didn’t even know she
had it until less than two months before she died. She never had any pain. She was just
ready to go and she went. And that was one of the ways she could go and the doctors
couldn’t stop it! You are in pain when you are angry and it’s turned against yourself and
that’s when you get the pain. So this woman died without pain had cancer and died very
quickly within two months. My sister-in-law went the same way. She didn’t find out she
was sick till the weekend of Christmas, and she was dead in early February. She was
ready to move, ready to go on.”
[Bill: “So therefore are you saying that she unconsciously used cancer as a way to
get out, and it has nothing to do with frustrations?”]
Zip: “Well, there has to be some degree of frustration if you want to leave this
world and go to another one. It’s a question of how much. And the illnesses that the
doctors yet can’t cure, if the person is really ready to go, that’s the way the subconscious
manages it—to pick an illness that the doctors can’t stop.
Mars on the East point in that spiritualist minister’s chart is a very strong Mars
statement. It’s like having Mars on the Ascendant: “I should be able to do what I want.”
And when you get old—she was in her Eighties—your body doesn’t do exactly what you
want anymore, and that’s frustrating. It could be just as simple as that: the body wearing
out [and feeling frustrated over it]. And a lot of times people live in the head and do
psychic stuff haven’t kept their physical body in shape. They haven’t exercised. They
haven’t eaten well. They’re couch potatoes living in the head, and the body eventually
isn’t in good shape anymore.”
[Bill: “That was my error of thinking, assuming that there had to be some
profound psychological disturbance. It can just be a simple ‘I’m getting old and I can’t
walk around anymore.’”]
Zip: “Yeah, I can’t do like I enjoy, like I used to.”
[Later a discussion on victims:] “Nothing can happen to you that isn’t in accord
with your character. One of the dead giveaways is when you hear somebody described a
‘so good’ or ‘so nice’ or ‘so loving,’ that shows that all the negative potential of life is
not being expressed, and then somebody comes along and uses that in extreme form
against him. So people who get attacked, raped, victimized because they are denying their
own aggressive, assertive potential to fight for their own rights, to protect themselves.
And the world takes that power and uses it against them. The question is you either
believe in chance or you believe that character produces destiny—unless you believe that
some god somewhere is arbitrarily torturing some people and bless others. So in some
way the victim’s own personal power had to be blocked and denied and someone else
came and used excessive power against him. The giveaway to such extremes is when
they’re described as such a nice person, and everyone liked him, he was so nice to
everybody and so generous and so kind. That’s a sacrificial victim that’s going to get
clobbered by life! You have to also show the ability to protect yourself. [Zip discusses
recent news about two wives battered and killed by angry husbands when the wives left
them] One was described as “She was so sweet. She was so loving. She was so
wonderful. She was so great with the kids.” So everything nice! Anytime you see
extremes, it is apt to get painful. A good metaphor is that it’s like a thermostat: If it gets
too hot, you die; if it gets too cold, you die. In the middle is the life-giving range. So if
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