ZIP DOBYNS (Astrology) - Film Score Rundowns

you go so far into sacrificing yourself for the good of others, you’re going to get
sacrificed!”
[Bill: “So let’s say you’re doing the chart of a person with a wonderful, spiritual
potential—Pisces and all that. What are you going to say? Well, I think for your own
health you should be a little nasty now and then!”]
Zip: “Just don’t carry your savior bit to the point of being a martyr or a victim,
that’s all.”
[Stephanie: “Were do you stop giving in to people that keep taking advantage of
you, and draining you, and they don’t even know they’re doing it.”]
Zip: “Yeah. You have to decide when your own security and well-being is
abused. The two signs are (1) that you start feeling victimized, and then it’s time to start
getting distance if you can, and (2) is if you really want to help the other person but you
see that you’re weakening them, and that may be more tricky to notice—that you maybe
are not helping them really but weakening them if you keep doing too much for them and
they can’t learn to do it themselves. That’s a danger with kids often that parents do too
much and the kids don’t learn to do anything themselves. So those are the two warning
signs of someone sliding into martyrdom. Life is a balancing act. We need to help other
people but we’ve got to protect our own needs too.
[Discussion on projection:] “And the more we are holding back and doing only
the right and proper and traditional and conservative things ourselves, the more that
independent, rebellious side of us is going to attract others who will do it for us and will
overdo it. I will never forget the chart of a woman I had who had most of her chart in
Virgo, Capricorn, and Cancer—very traditional and very proper, and she was a good wife
and a good mother and a good citizen and she did all the social causes. She was a model
in every way what society admires in a woman. And she had two daughters who were
absolute hellions who ran wild and shocked everybody and challenged convention in
every conceivable way. Now that’s projection—when we’re blocking a part of ourselves,
we attract someone else who will overdo it for us.”
[Bill: “It’s almost similar to Princess Diana doing it to the royalty over there.”]
Zip: “Yes, but Diana was really was empathic and sensitive to the needs of others,
and Dodie really was totally self-centered and run through a string of women in the past,
walked out on unpaid bills for houses he rented, had a string of bad debts, and lawsuits
pursuing him. He was a totally self-oriented person, and she was a giving and loving
person. They were absolute mirror opposites. I think they would not have been happy
together. She was looking for emotional love, and he talked a good game of love—a
tremendous Ladies man, smooth operator. She was the absolute romantic, looking for this
fulfillment thru a man, and he was looking for the fame and the power and the celebrity
status—which he already had but this was going to enhance it. Plus his father wanted to
get even with the royal family. His father was furious at being denied British citizenship
and being snubbed by the English.”
[1981 Intensive:]
Zip: “You note we have in this chart Sagittarius rising and Sun in Saggittarius on
the Ascendant, and a little bit of Capricorn there too (north node, and East Point and
Mercury). We also have a major stellium there in Scorpio: Juno-Moon exactly conjunct at
5 Scorpio; Saturn-Venus very closely conjunct, just a degree apart, and Pallas a little
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