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Sorena marsagiSvili
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„nacionaluri moZraobis” yofili
Tavmjdomare, mirian mirianaSvili, gadaWriT acxadeb-
da, rom 31 oqtombers arCevnebs „qarTuli ocneba” moigebda.
misive TqmiT, opozicia aqciebs daiwyebda, magram es Sedegs
ar gamoiRebda. miaCnda, rom viTareba mxolod momaval wels
Seicvleboda. misi mtkicebiT, momaval wels saqarTveloSi
vadamdeli arCevnebi unda Catardes. arCevnebi, ceskos monace-
mebiT, „qarTulma ocnebam” moigo. opoziciac quCaSia. Tumca
axla mirianaSvili ambobs, rom SesaZloa, 2021 wels
saqarTveloSi vadamdeli arCevnebi aRar Catardes. misi in-
formaciiT, biZina ivaniSvilma dasavleTTan komunikaciis
damyareba da raRacebis dalageba SeZlo.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com
ratom ar Seaxvedra
mirian mirianaSvili:
`dasavleTi
gadaifiqra Tu ara dasav-
leTma opoziciis mxardaWera?
ratom ar miuSva maTTan ivaniSvilma
TbilisSi saidumlo misi-
iT myofi surkovi? vin uSlis
xels politikaSi mixeil saakaSvilis
dabrunebas? raze Seu-
Tanxmda dasavleTs „ocnebis”
lideri? _ amis Sesaxeb mirian
mirianaSvili „qronika+~-s es-
aubreba.
_ batono mirian, ramdenime
kviris win Tqven CvenTan saubar-
Si TqviT, rom arCevnebs moigeb-
da „qarTuli ocneba”, opozicia
quCaSi gamovidoda, magram ve-
rafers Secvlida. situacia
2021 wels Seicvleboda. varau-
dobdiT, rom momaval wels aq
vadamdeli arCevnebi Catarde-
boda.
_ „qarTuli ocneba” arCevnebs
rom moigebda, amaSi eWvic ar mepareboda.
isic cnobili iyo, rom
am Sedegebs opozicia quCaSi
gaaprotestebda. rac Seexeba
2021 wlis vadamdel arCevnebs,
aqamde saqme SeiZleba aRar mivides,
radganac biZina ivaniSvilma
met-naklebad Seasrula is
pirobebi, rac man Cvens dasavlel
partniorebs misca.
_ gindaT TqvaT, rom ivaniS-
vilma dasavleTTan moagvara?
_ ivaniSvilsa da dasavleTs
Soris raRac komunikacia Sedga.
miRweulia SeTanxmeba, rom is aq
SeinarCunebda im paritets, rac
pandemiamde iyo. vvaraudobdi,
rom „ocneba” arCevnebSi 50%-mde
aiRebda, „nacionaleb”s ki 27-28%
eqneboda. es informacia CemTvis
Tu iyo cnobili, opoziciur
partiebsac xom unda scodnodaT?
Tu ver gaiges, es maTi
problemaa. axla Cven Tu qveyana-
Si areulobas miviRebT, es imis
brali iqneba, rom partiebs warmodgena
ar aqvT, ra xdeba
saqarTvelos garSemo. maT isic
ki ar ician, rom dRes arsebuli
paritetis SenarCuneba globaluri
trendia.
_ arsebuli paritetis Senar-
Cuneba raki globaluri trendia,
opoziciam arCevnebis gay-
albeba ar unda gaaprotestos?
_ arCevnebis gayalbeba rogor
ar unda gaaprotestos, magram es
areulobaSi ar unda gadaizardos.
opoziciam unda icodes,
rom dasavleTi maT mxars ar
dauWers.
_ ratom ar dauWers mxars?
dasavleTi xom samarTliani
arCevnebisken mogviwodebda?
_ ase iyo, magram am SemTxveva-
Si opozicias sxva mizeziT ar
dauWers dasavleTi mxars. am
mizezis saxeli mixeil saakaSvilia.
dasavleTs ar surs, rom mixeil
saakaSvili aqtiur politikaSi
dabrundes. dRes yvela
aseTi arCevanis winaSe dgas _ an
ivaniSvili, an saakaSvili.
_ gindaT TqvaT, rom dasav-
leTi ivaniSvils uWers mxars?
_ me amas ar vambob, imas vambob,
rom dasavleTs qarTul politikaSi
saakaSvilis dabruneba
ar surs. opoziciam unda gaacnobiros,
rom axla Tavisi aqtiurobiT,
faqtobrivad, saakaSvilis
dasabruneblad ibrZvis.
_ saakaSvilis dasabruneblad
rogor ibrZvian, isini arCevnebis
Sedegebis gadasinjvas iTx-
oven.
_ zogierTi Zala marTla
arCevnebis gadasinjvas iTxovs,
magram isinic ki saakaSvilis dasabruneblad
ibrZvian, rasac dasavleTi
mxars ar dauWers. dasavleTs
ar sWirdeba, rom saqarTvelos
saTaveSi mixeil saakaSvili
iyos.
_ saakaSvilma garkveviT Tqva,
rom is uars ambobs premierobis
kandidatobaze. man es gancxadeba
arCevnebis saRamos „mTa-
vari” arxis eTerSi gaakeTa.
_ saakaSvilma premierobaze
uari rom Tqva, es arafers niSnavs.
am adamians kargad vicnob.
me viyavi „nacionaluri moZraobis”
pirveli Tavmjdomare da
Cven seriozuli komunikaciebi
gvqonda. miSa saakaSvils simarTlis
Tqma fizikurad ar SeuZlia.
es misi brali araa. arian adamianebi,
romlebic sul tyuilebs
laparakoben. miSas elementarul
ramezec ki SeuZlia tyuilis
mogoneba. magaliTad, xaWapuri
SeWama da limonaTi daayola.
ityvis, xinkali vWame da mineraluri
wyali davlieo. aqedan
gamomdinare, ar mjera, rom is
uars ambobs premierobaze. is
Zalian energiulia, dajildovebulia
adamianebze manipulaciis
niWiT, magram simarTlis Tqma
fizikurad ar SeuZlia.
_ simarTles arc sxva politikosebi
laparakoben. ivaniS-
vilic sul ityueba.
_ tyuils yvela vambobT, magram
saakaSvili tyuilis seniT
aris daavadebuli. rogorc ukve
giTxariT, mas simarTlis Tqma ar
SeuZlia. es yvelam icis. maT
Soris, cnobilma politteqnologebmac.
erT-erTma maTganma
miTxra kidevac, Tu ginda gaigo,
miSa ras fiqrobs, misi nalaparakevi
unda aiRo da 180 gradusiT
Semoatrialoo.
_ arc egrea saqme. 2012 wlis
arCevnebis Semdeg Tqva, opoziciaSi
gadavdivarTo da gadavi-
da kidevac.
_ opoziciaSi Tavisi nebiT ar
gadasula. maSin man Zalaufleba
ivaniSvils gadaabara. mas Zalaufleba
jo baidenma gadaabarebina.
kavkasiis mimarTulebas obamas
xelisuflebaSi baideni kurirebda.
roca Seni ambebiT aSS-is
saakaSvilis
politikaSi
dabrunebis
winaaRmdegia~
vice-prezidentia dainteresebuli,
es patara ambavi araa.
_ samagierod, axla aRar ainteresebT
aseTi rangis Cinos-
nebs saqarTvelo.
_ me ver vityodi, rom aRar
ainteresebT saqarTvelo. ubralod,
aseTi maRali rangis politikosebi
xSirad aRar Camodian
saqarTveloSi. „nacionaluri mo-
Zraobis” wevrebs ki sjeraT, rom
prodasavlurebi arian, magram
dasavleTSi am Zalas rogorc
prorusuls, ise ganixilaven.
_ aba, prodasavlur Zalad
vis ganixilaven, „qarTul oc-
nebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils?
_ ivaniSvilis mimarT dasavleTma
damokidebuleba Secvala.
es im komunikaciebis damsaxurebaa,
romelic bolo TveebSi Sedga.
am komunikaciebis Semdeg „ocnebis”
liderma SeZlo da saqarTveloSi
rusul-amerikuli interesebi
daabalansa.
_ da amis gamo daxuWavs
dasavleTi Tvals arCevnebis
gayalbebaze?
_ arCevnebis gayalbebaze
Tvals aravin daxuWavs, magram
dasavleTi saakaSvilis dabrunebas
mxars ar dauWers. me ar gamovricxav,
rom momaval wels aq
saWiro gaxdes vadamdeli saparlamento
arCevnebis Catareba.
rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi,
es didwilad aris damokidebuli
imaze, Tu ra SedegiT dasruldeba
amerikaSi saprezidento arCevnebi.
axal realobas ivaniSvili
SeiZleba, kargad moergos da aseT
SemTxvevaSi vadamdeli arCevnebi
saWiro aRar iqneba. saqarTvelo
politteqnologiurad kargad
imarTeba.
_ yvelam viciT, rom ivaniS-
`aq Tu xelisufleba CamoiSala, aravis
gaaxsendeba `girCi~, `lelo~ da vaSaZe. yvela
saakaSvilTan daiwyebs saubars. dasavleTSi
kargad ician Cveni buneba. Cvennair qveynebSi
erTi kaci unda ipovo iseTi, romelsac yvela
valdebulebas ahkideb. 2-3%-iani partiebis
liderebs aseT valdebulebas aravin ahkidebs.
valdebulebas ahkideben im partiis liders,
romelsac maRali cifrebi aqvs. opoziciidan
yvelaze seriozuli Sedegi `nacionalurma~
moZraobam aiRo. mixeil saakaSvili am partiis
lideri gaxlavT~
vili ruseTzea damokidebuli.
Tqveni saubridan Tu vimsjelebT,
is amerikisken gadaix-
ara. ruseTma ase iolad gauSva
Tavisi kaci?
_ calsaxad ar SeiZleba imis
mtkiceba, rom ruseTma ivaniSvili
amerikas dauTmo. Cven ar
viciT, ra xdeba kulisebSi.
Zalian mwiri informaciebi gamodis
da aqedan gamomdinare unda
gavakeToT daskvnebi. dasavleT-
Tan ra komunikaciebi aqvs ivaniSvils,
amis Sesaxeb raRacebi viciT.
misi da rusebis komunikacia
ki burusiT aris moculi.
yvela detali ar vici, magram
gamoJona informaciam, rom
dasavleTTan komunikaciis Semdeg
moskovma ivaniSvils bevrad
meti Tavisufleba misca, vidre
es mas aqamde hqonda(?!).
_ surkovi saqarTveloSi amis
saTqmelad Camovida saidum-
lod?
_ ar aris gamoricxuli, rom
surkovi swored amis saTqmelad
Camovida.
_ marto amis saTqmelad amx-
ela gzas ar gamoivlida. sxva
miTiTebebsac gascemda.
_ cxadia, erTi sityvis saTqmelad
ar Camovidoda aq. me ramdenadac
vici, mas opoziciasTanac
undoda Sexvedra, magram igi
ar Sedga. ivaniSvilma yvelaferi
gaakeTa, rom Sexvedra ar Semdgariyo.
_ surkovs mTel opoziciasTan
surda saubari, Tu rome-
lime partia hyavda SerCeuli?
_ rogorc CemTvis aris cnobili,
is im partiebTan apirebda
saubars, romlebic prodasavlurebad
iTvlebian da qarTul
politikaSi raRac aminds qmnian.
_ gasagebia, romel partieb-
sac gulisxmobT.
_ Tqven igulisxmeT, me am partiebs
ar davasaxeleb, Tundac
imitom, rom maT Soris komunikacia
ar yofila.
_ surkovi da biZina ivaniSvili
ramdenad axlos arian erT-
maneTTan? ivaniSvilis dacvis
yofili ufrosi eldar gogol
olaZe
ambobs, rom „vardebis rev-
8 N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.