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ukrainaSi iulia timoSenko daapatimres,<br />

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qarTveloSi dapatimrebis Sem-<br />

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_ saqarTvelodanac swored<br />

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12<br />

li. magaliTad, saakaSvilis amomrCeveli<br />

araa timoSenkos amomrCeveli<br />

da saakaSvili, realurad,<br />

damatebiTi xmebis momtani iyo opoziciisTvis.<br />

swored amitom, poroSenko<br />

Seecada, ZirSive CaexSo es<br />

politikuri moZraoba da saakaSvili<br />

ganedevna, erTi mxriv, qveynidan<br />

da meore mxriv, politikuri<br />

velidan.<br />

_ poloneTSi gandevnamde mas<br />

sxva gegmebi hqonda saakaSvilis<br />

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rac ver moaxerxa da rac bolos<br />

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iyo erTgvari ukandaxeva _ said-<br />

anac Sevida ukrainaSi, iq gauSva.<br />

_ me mgoni, poroSenkos, iseve<br />

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mwvave iqneba maTTvis es problema.<br />

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da ukrainis xelisuflebebi garigdnen,<br />

arc erT maTgans ar undoda,<br />

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iyo.<br />

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isTvis.<br />

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is forma. bevrs miaCnda,<br />

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ufro rbilad wasuliyo ukrainis<br />

ukanaskneli wlebis istoria.<br />

_ magis gamoZaxilic xom ar<br />

aris is, rom iq Tu mag sanqciebs<br />

mimarTes timoSenkos SemTxvevaSi,<br />

aq ugulavas, merabiSvilis, axalaias,<br />

sxva politpatimrebis arsebobis<br />

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is ukrainis procesebSi aqtiurad<br />

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ogiuri saSualebebi garkveuli<br />

doziT iZleva procesebSi CarT-<br />

vis saSualebas, magram...<br />

_ diax, Tanamedrove teqnologiebi<br />

iZleva amis saSualebas, magram<br />

cxadia, sxva aris, rodesac liders<br />

aqvs SesaZlebloba, uSualod<br />

iurTierTos xalxTan. poroSenkos<br />

am gadawyvetilebas gaRizianeba<br />

mohyva ukrainul sazogadoebaSi<br />

da es gadawyvetileba rom namdvilad<br />

ar waadga mis imijs dasavleT-<br />

Si, yvelam dainaxa. saakaSvili, rogorc<br />

Tavad ambobs, apirebs distanciurad<br />

gaagrZelos saqmianoba.<br />

mas, ra Tqma unda, axla meti Sesa-<br />

Zlebloba aqvs imoZraos dasavleTSi,<br />

daexmaros regions, rom<br />

dasavleTma adekvaturi politika<br />

SeimuSaos am qveynebTan mimarTebiT.<br />

sagareo frontze mas axla<br />

ufro metis gakeTeba SeuZlia, vidre<br />

SeeZlo maSin, rodesac ukrainaSi,<br />

faqtobrivad, mudmivi devnis<br />

reJimSi iyo xelebSeboWili.<br />

darwmunebuli var, is moZebnis sakuTari<br />

SesaZleblobebis imgvarad<br />

gamoyenebis gzas, romelic saukeTeso<br />

iqneba mis mier dasaxuli<br />

miznebisTvis, rac aris am region-<br />

Si demokratiuli sistemebis ga-<br />

Zliereba, oligarqiul mmarTvelobasTan<br />

dapirispireba. oligarqiuli<br />

mmarTveloba am qveynebSi,<br />

rogoricaa saqarTvelo, ukraina,<br />

saakaSvili rCeba Zalian popularul<br />

politikur liderad am qveyanaSi,<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, is amomrCevelSi<br />

Zalian didi mxardaWeriT<br />

sargeblobs da Tu is cixeSi<br />

aRmoCndeboda, es mis mxardamWerebs<br />

ufro mZafri protestisken<br />

ubiZgebda. ra masStabis iqneboda<br />

es protesti, axla rTuli gansasjelia,<br />

magram faqtia, rom politikur<br />

cxovrebaSi ukvalod ar<br />

Caivlida.<br />

_ oligarqebi rogorc ukrain-<br />

aSi, ise aq, garkveulwilad xom ar<br />

sargebloben imiTac, rom axla<br />

aSS-s ar scalia am qveynebisTvis?<br />

dakavebuli arian im mZafri SidaproblemebiT,<br />

rac mohyva ruse-<br />

Tis Carevas amerikis arCevnebSi.<br />

qveynis SigniT aqvT bevri ram<br />

gasarkvevi da ar scaliaT CvenT-<br />

vis. faqtia, rom wina wlebisgan<br />

gansxvavebiT, bolo periodSi, aSS<br />

aqtiurad aRar ereva arc saqar-<br />

Tvelos da arc ukrainis ambebSi.<br />

_ ara, amerika rCeba Zalian mniSvnelovan<br />

strategiul mokavSired<br />

orive qveynisTvis. Cven vxedav, rom<br />

am qveynebis samxedro SeiaraReba-<br />

Si, aRWurvaSi, daxmarebaSi amerika<br />

Zalian mniSvnelovan rols TamaSobs,<br />

kongresma didi Tanxebi gamoyo<br />

am qveynebis dasaxmareblad da<br />

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