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_ diax. saakaSvilis partia jer<br />
Zalian axali warmonaqmni iyo, aravin<br />
icoda, rogor moikrebda Zalebs.<br />
faqtia, rom saakaSvilis personaluri<br />
popularoba sakmaod ma-<br />
Ralia ukrainaSi da poroSenkosTvis,<br />
cxadia, saxifaTo iyo saakaSvili,<br />
romelic garSemo ikrebda<br />
xalxs da, ra Tqma unda, awyobda<br />
misi Tavidan moSoreba. poroSenkos<br />
Zalian dabali reitingi aqvs<br />
da sxva gamowvevebis winaSecaa, sxva<br />
seriozuli moTamaSeebic arian ukrainaSi,<br />
magaliTad, iulia timoSenko,<br />
romelic seriozuli opoziciaa<br />
poroSenkosTvis, saakaSvils<br />
ki Tavisi aqtivobiT SeeZlo kidev<br />
ufro gaeZlierebina opozicia,<br />
radgan misi amomrCeveli araa sxva<br />
opoziciuri partiebis amomrCeve-<br />
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_ rac moimoqmeda poroSenkom<br />
saqarTvelos mesame prezidentis<br />
winaaRmdeg, yvelam vnaxeT, magram,<br />
Tqveni azriT, misi es nabiji ra<br />
procesebs xdis fardas?<br />
_ is, rac xdeba ukrainaSi da<br />
saqarTveloSi, saerTod, regionSi,<br />
erTian WrilSi unda moviazroT. am<br />
qveynebSi Camoyalibda oligarqiuli<br />
sistema, sadac oligarqebi<br />
floben politikur Zalauflebas,<br />
oligarqiuli interesebi Serwymulia<br />
saxelmwifo Zalauflebas-<br />
Tan. am sistemas aucileblad unda<br />
daupirispirdes xalxis Zala, xalxis<br />
xma. oligarqebi yovelTvis mo-<br />
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miayenebs „qarTul ocnebas”, maT<br />
Soris, sagareo asparezzec.<br />
_ da ra, yofili premier-min-<br />
istri merabiSvili rom cixeSi<br />
hyavs gamomwyvdeuli, ra xdeba?<br />
Tavidan yvelas egona, rom ivaniS-<br />
vili ar Seexeboda dedaqalaqis<br />
arCeul mers, yofil premiers,<br />
radgan es dartymas miayenebda<br />
maT, gamoiwvevda dasavleTis reaqcias<br />
da es faqtori Semakavebeli<br />
iqneboda misTvis, magram mox-<br />
da is, rom mSvenivradac daiWira,<br />
gamoketa cixeSi da arc dasavle-<br />
Tis mZafri reaqcia mohyolia,<br />
SeSfoTebiT dakmayofildnen.<br />
_ dasavleTis berketebi ama Tu<br />
im qveynis xelisuflebaze SezRudulia,<br />
garda amisa, rodesac igive<br />
ukrainaSi iulia timoSenko daapatimres,<br />
maSin evropam radikalur<br />
moldova, marTlac Camoyalibda<br />
raRac aseT politikuri mmarTvelobis<br />
formad, romelic seriozul<br />
problemebs uqmnis am qveynebis<br />
ganviTarebas, rogorc moklevadian,<br />
ise grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi.<br />
_ rodesac vambobT, rom ivaniSvils<br />
ar awyobs saakaSvili cix-<br />
eSi, es efuZneba ivaniSvilis im Si-<br />
Sebs, romelic mas aqvs rom safr-<br />
Txe Seeqmneba mis Zalauflebas,<br />
magram Tqven cota gadaWarbebu-<br />
lad ar geCvenebaT misi es SiSebi?<br />
rogor fiqrobT, saakaSvilis<br />
saqa<br />
qarTveloSi dapatimrebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi agordeboda ki iseTi<br />
saprotesto talRa, romelic safrTxes<br />
Seuqmnida mis Zalaufle-<br />
bas?<br />
_ ase saubari rTulia, magram<br />
`qarTuli ocneba~ _<br />
es aris Senelebuli<br />
moqmedebis proeqti,<br />
rom es qveyana<br />
sabolood daubrundes<br />
ruseTis orbitas~<br />
bizneselitebTan, magram Znelia,<br />
ver iyidian TiToeul moqalaqes<br />
da es moqalaqeebi, adre Tu gvian,<br />
ajanydebian da Seasusteben oligarqebis<br />
xelisuflebas. swored<br />
amitom arian oligarqebis, maT<br />
Soris, poroSenkos mTavari samizne<br />
is politikosebi, romelTac<br />
aqvT unari, mimarTon xalxs da axerxeben<br />
xalxis masebis mobilizebas.<br />
saakaSvili ukrainaSi iyo da<br />
aris aseTi moTamaSe.<br />
_ saqarTvelodanac swored<br />
magitomaa gandevnili, rom mas<br />
SeeZlo xalxis quCaSi gamoyvana.<br />
12<br />
li. magaliTad, saakaSvilis amomrCeveli<br />
araa timoSenkos amomrCeveli<br />
da saakaSvili, realurad,<br />
damatebiTi xmebis momtani iyo opoziciisTvis.<br />
swored amitom, poroSenko<br />
Seecada, ZirSive CaexSo es<br />
politikuri moZraoba da saakaSvili<br />
ganedevna, erTi mxriv, qveynidan<br />
da meore mxriv, politikuri<br />
velidan.<br />
_ poloneTSi gandevnamde mas<br />
sxva gegmebi hqonda saakaSvilis<br />
mimarT, aRZra saqme, surda misi<br />
dapatimreba, cixeSi gamomwyvdeva,<br />
rac ver moaxerxa da rac bolos<br />
moimoqmeda, misi mxridan xom ar<br />
iyo erTgvari ukandaxeva _ said-<br />
anac Sevida ukrainaSi, iq gauSva.<br />
_ me mgoni, poroSenkos, iseve<br />
rogorc ivaniSvils, Zalian kargad<br />
esmis, rom saakaSvilis cixeSi gamomwyvdeva<br />
damazianebeli iqneba<br />
maTTvis, rogorc sagareo, ise sa-<br />
Sinao frontze da ar sWirdebaT<br />
saakaSvili cixeSi da maT ufro<br />
awyobT gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />
gandevnis, aiZulebs saakaSvils, iyos<br />
devnilobaSi. amgvarad, naklebad<br />
mwvave iqneba maTTvis es problema.<br />
vfiqrob, rom saqarTvelosa<br />
da ukrainis xelisuflebebi garigdnen,<br />
arc erT maTgans ar undoda,<br />
saakaSvili maT cixeSi yofiliyo.<br />
ar awyobdaT es politikurad<br />
da poloneTSi misi gandevnis gadawyvetileba<br />
orivesTvis misaRebi<br />
iyo.<br />
_ im dRes, rodesac is polo-<br />
neTSi gandevnes, saqarTveloSi<br />
vrceldeboda informacia, rom<br />
iyo misi aq gadmocemis mcdelo-<br />
ba, rasac mohyva aseve daudastu-<br />
rebeli informaciis gavrceleba,<br />
rom ivaniSvilma Tqva uari ri mis<br />
miRebaze da Semdeg gauSves polo-<br />
neTSi. am informaciiT, ivaniS-<br />
vili, erTgvarad, pozitiuradac<br />
ki Cans, ar emeteba saakaSvili cix-<br />
isTvis.<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvils mixeil saakaSvilis<br />
dapatimreba ar unda sakuTari<br />
interesebidan gamomdinare.<br />
yofili prezidentis cixeSi<br />
Casma Zalian seriozul dartymas<br />
zomebs mimarTa da ukrainasTan SeaCera<br />
asocirebis xelSekrulebaze<br />
molaparakebebi. es iyo, faqtobrivad,<br />
sanqcia, ramac Seaferxa ukrainis<br />
integracia evropaSi, rasac<br />
Semdeg mohyva ianukoviCis cnobili<br />
gadawyvetilebebi da, realurad,<br />
maidani. am SemTxvevis Semdeg, evropul<br />
wreebSi azri gaiyo imis<br />
Sesaxeb, ramdenad swori iyo reagirebis<br />
is forma. bevrs miaCnda,<br />
rom evrokavSirs timoSenkos gamo<br />
ar unda Seewyvita molaparakebebi<br />
ukrainasTan da maSin SeiZleboda<br />
ufro rbilad wasuliyo ukrainis<br />
ukanaskneli wlebis istoria.<br />
_ magis gamoZaxilic xom ar<br />
aris is, rom iq Tu mag sanqciebs<br />
mimarTes timoSenkos SemTxvevaSi,<br />
aq ugulavas, merabiSvilis, axalaias,<br />
sxva politpatimrebis arsebobis<br />
miuxedavad Cven vizaliber-<br />
alizaciac ki mogvces?<br />
_ diax, garkveulwilad. evropas<br />
kargad esmis, rom is ar aris<br />
erTaderTi moTamaSe am regionSi<br />
da rogorc ki aq poziciebs Tmobs,<br />
amiT momentalurad sargeblobs<br />
sxva geopolitikuri moTamaSe _<br />
ruseTi da imwamsve iZlierebs<br />
poziciebs. dasavleTSi, garkveulwilad,<br />
midgoma Camoyalibda, rom<br />
pozitiuri TanamSromlobis gziT<br />
SeiZleba, ufro mets miaRwio,<br />
ufro meti zewolis berketi gqondes,<br />
vidre sxva gziT. merabiSvilis<br />
saqmeze ukve arsebobs strasburgis<br />
gadawyvetileba da es sakiTxi<br />
ukve Sevida diplomatiuri<br />
molaparakebebis dRis wesrigSi. is,<br />
rom arsebobs strasburgis gadawyvetileba<br />
am saqmeze, TavisTavad,<br />
ukve es faqtia zewola.<br />
_ ra Sansi, perspeqtiva rCeba<br />
brZolis velidan gaZevebul<br />
saakaSvils? Cven vnaxeT, rodesac<br />
mas saqarTvelodan wasvla mouwia,<br />
amiT mxolod misi partia dazar-<br />
alda, axla ramdenad moaxerxebs<br />
is ukrainis procesebSi aqtiurad<br />
monawileobas iq yofnis gareSe?<br />
gasagebia, Tanamedrove teqnol-<br />
ogiuri saSualebebi garkveuli<br />
doziT iZleva procesebSi CarT-<br />
vis saSualebas, magram...<br />
_ diax, Tanamedrove teqnologiebi<br />
iZleva amis saSualebas, magram<br />
cxadia, sxva aris, rodesac liders<br />
aqvs SesaZlebloba, uSualod<br />
iurTierTos xalxTan. poroSenkos<br />
am gadawyvetilebas gaRizianeba<br />
mohyva ukrainul sazogadoebaSi<br />
da es gadawyvetileba rom namdvilad<br />
ar waadga mis imijs dasavleT-<br />
Si, yvelam dainaxa. saakaSvili, rogorc<br />
Tavad ambobs, apirebs distanciurad<br />
gaagrZelos saqmianoba.<br />
mas, ra Tqma unda, axla meti Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba aqvs imoZraos dasavleTSi,<br />
daexmaros regions, rom<br />
dasavleTma adekvaturi politika<br />
SeimuSaos am qveynebTan mimarTebiT.<br />
sagareo frontze mas axla<br />
ufro metis gakeTeba SeuZlia, vidre<br />
SeeZlo maSin, rodesac ukrainaSi,<br />
faqtobrivad, mudmivi devnis<br />
reJimSi iyo xelebSeboWili.<br />
darwmunebuli var, is moZebnis sakuTari<br />
SesaZleblobebis imgvarad<br />
gamoyenebis gzas, romelic saukeTeso<br />
iqneba mis mier dasaxuli<br />
miznebisTvis, rac aris am region-<br />
Si demokratiuli sistemebis ga-<br />
Zliereba, oligarqiul mmarTvelobasTan<br />
dapirispireba. oligarqiuli<br />
mmarTveloba am qveynebSi,<br />
rogoricaa saqarTvelo, ukraina,<br />
saakaSvili rCeba Zalian popularul<br />
politikur liderad am qveyanaSi,<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, is amomrCevelSi<br />
Zalian didi mxardaWeriT<br />
sargeblobs da Tu is cixeSi<br />
aRmoCndeboda, es mis mxardamWerebs<br />
ufro mZafri protestisken<br />
ubiZgebda. ra masStabis iqneboda<br />
es protesti, axla rTuli gansasjelia,<br />
magram faqtia, rom politikur<br />
cxovrebaSi ukvalod ar<br />
Caivlida.<br />
_ oligarqebi rogorc ukrain-<br />
aSi, ise aq, garkveulwilad xom ar<br />
sargebloben imiTac, rom axla<br />
aSS-s ar scalia am qveynebisTvis?<br />
dakavebuli arian im mZafri SidaproblemebiT,<br />
rac mohyva ruse-<br />
Tis Carevas amerikis arCevnebSi.<br />
qveynis SigniT aqvT bevri ram<br />
gasarkvevi da ar scaliaT CvenT-<br />
vis. faqtia, rom wina wlebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, bolo periodSi, aSS<br />
aqtiurad aRar ereva arc saqar-<br />
Tvelos da arc ukrainis ambebSi.<br />
_ ara, amerika rCeba Zalian mniSvnelovan<br />
strategiul mokavSired<br />
orive qveynisTvis. Cven vxedav, rom<br />
am qveynebis samxedro SeiaraReba-<br />
Si, aRWurvaSi, daxmarebaSi amerika<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovan rols TamaSobs,<br />
kongresma didi Tanxebi gamoyo<br />
am qveynebis dasaxmareblad da<br />
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