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des, rom gastrolebze Sen ki ara,<br />
isini wavidnen... yvelaferi es Zalian<br />
kargad vici... Tu disertacias<br />
wers, viRacas ar unda, rom<br />
disertacia warmatebulad Caabaro,<br />
magram arsebobs meore mxarec,<br />
romelsac Seni warmateba unda.<br />
gaxsovT, Cemi leqsi? _ „cudi da<br />
kargi erTi bargia, radgan zogisTvis<br />
cudi kargia!” amitom amis<br />
arc Tqven unda SegeSindeT da arc<br />
_ me!<br />
yvelas mimarT, vinc politikur<br />
avanscenazea, pativiscemiT<br />
var ganwyobili imitom, rom maT<br />
mSoblebsa da ojaxebs vicnob, magram,<br />
ubralod, vfqirob, rom<br />
dRes saqarTvelosTvis asea saWiro!<br />
SeiZleba, vcdebode, magram<br />
vcdebode maTTvis, vinc Cemnairad<br />
ar fiqrobs, magram xom ar SemiZla,<br />
ganvikiTxo, rom isini, Cemi<br />
gagebiT, arasworad fiqroben?!<br />
_ politikaSi yvelaferi xdeba.<br />
hoda, erT dResac dokumentebi<br />
rom daidos, romliTac naTe-<br />
li gaxdeba, rom zurabiSvili ok-<br />
upanti ruseTis mekavSirea, ras<br />
izamT? ise, simarTle rom iTqvas,<br />
rusis jari saqarTvelodan zurabiSvils<br />
ar gauyvania _ es SeT-<br />
anxmeba 1999 wels TurqeTSi ga-<br />
formda da, ubralod, mis sagareo<br />
saqmeTa ministrobas daemTx-<br />
va...<br />
_ ese igi, SevardnaZes kargi ram<br />
gaukeTebia!<br />
_ ase gamodis, Tumca „ocnebisgan”<br />
imis xazgasma, rom zurabiS-<br />
vilma saqarTvelodan rusis jari<br />
gaiyvana, TvalSi nacris Seyraa da<br />
meti araferi! mokled, dokumen-<br />
tebiT rom dadasturdes, zurabiSvili<br />
mtris wisqvilze asxam-<br />
da da asxams wyals, mis mxardamW-<br />
erobas inanebT?<br />
_ eqimi var da diagnozi unda<br />
davsva, anu jer sabuTebi unda<br />
vnaxo, sxvanairad ar davijereb,<br />
Tumca sabuTebis gadakeTebis uamravi<br />
forma arsebobs, magaliTad,<br />
qali SeiZleba, qalwuli datovo<br />
da ise amSobiaro. amitom ase advilad<br />
wamosagebi kaci ar var... xakerebma<br />
SeiZleba, iseTi dokumenti<br />
gaakeTon, rom dednisgan ver<br />
gaarCio! aseT falsifikacias iseT<br />
muzeumebSic pouloben, rogoric<br />
luvri da versalia. amitom aseTi<br />
sabuTebis dajerebac Zneli iqneba!<br />
_ gasagebia... batono lado,<br />
Tqveni azriT, saqarTvelos prezidenti<br />
saqarTvelos mTavar-<br />
sardali unda iyos Tu ara?<br />
_ es konstituciam unda gansazRvros!<br />
salomem Tqva, RmerTma<br />
nu mamyofos mTavarsardalio, anu<br />
saqarTvelo saomar mdgomareoba-<br />
Si arasodes aRmoCndeso...<br />
_ saomari mdgomareoba iqneba<br />
Tu ara, qveyanas mTavarsardali<br />
mainc unda hyavdes!<br />
_ gaxsovT, konstituciaSi rogoraa?<br />
_ prezidents mTavarsardali<br />
hqvia, magram saomari moqmedebebis<br />
dros RonisZiebebs generaluri<br />
Stabi axorcielebs, anu<br />
mTavarsardali generaluri Stabis<br />
koordinacias axdens, Torem<br />
profesiuli kuTxiT Zlieri profesiuli<br />
gadawyvetilebebi samxedro<br />
Stabma unda miiRos. amitom<br />
samxedro sferoSi swori sakadro<br />
politikaa saWiro, rac qveynis<br />
premier-ministrisa da parlamentis<br />
gasakeTebelia!<br />
_ prezidentobis kandidatebisgan<br />
sxvadasxva dapirebas vis-<br />
menT. magaliTad, zogi pensiis ga-<br />
zrdas gvpirdeba, rac preziden-<br />
tis movaleoba ar aris. „erTad<br />
saqarTvelosTvis” _ es saarCevno<br />
slogania, magram ra aris salome<br />
zurabiSvilis saarCevno dapire-<br />
ba?<br />
_ im konstituciuri uflebebidan,<br />
romelic prezidents aqvs,<br />
erT-erTi Sida krizisuli situaciis<br />
marTvaa, anu im situaciaSi,<br />
roca xelisuflebis or _ aRmasrulebel<br />
da sakanonmdeblo Stos<br />
_ Soris raRac iseTi gaCndeba,<br />
rac sazianoa, maSin prezidentis<br />
mier gadawyvetilebis miReba iqneba<br />
saWiro _ an parlamentis daTxovna,<br />
an aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis<br />
ganeitraleba da premieris<br />
postze axali kandidaturis<br />
wamoyeneba. es Sida samzareuloa.<br />
_ mesmis, magram salome zurabiSvili,<br />
rogorc prezidentobis<br />
kandidati, iciT, ras gvpird-<br />
eba?<br />
_ ras da, _ krizisuli situaciebis<br />
sworad marTvas. mas unda,<br />
rom aRmasrulebel da saparlamento<br />
Stoebs endobodes da qveynis<br />
marTvaSi misi Careva minimizirebuli<br />
iyos. es konfliqtebi<br />
RmerTma agvacilos da amisTvis<br />
xarT Tqven, Jurnalistebi, amis-<br />
Tvisaa arasamTvrobo seqtori,<br />
amisTvisaa samoqalaqo aqtivoba,<br />
saganmanaTleblo sistema Tu saxelovnebo<br />
Sto. prezidenti sxvis<br />
`me-20 saukuneSi dabadebuli<br />
kaci var da intrigebi<br />
kargad vici, saxelovnebo<br />
scenaze vicekve da vici,<br />
mocekvaveebs, romlebic<br />
gverdze gidganan da taSs<br />
gikraven, undaT, fexi<br />
mogtydes, rom gastrolebze<br />
Sen ki ara, isini wavidnen...<br />
yvelaferi es Zalian kargad<br />
vici... Tu disertacias wers,<br />
viRacas ar unda, rom<br />
disertacia warmatebulad<br />
Caabaro, magram arsebobs<br />
meore mxarec, romelsac Seni<br />
warmateba unda. gaxsovT,<br />
Cemi leqsi? - `cudi da kargi<br />
erTi bargia, radgan<br />
zogisTvis cudi kargia!~<br />
amitom amis arc Tqven unda<br />
SegeSindeT da arc - me!~<br />
saqmeSi manam ar unda Caerios, sanam<br />
amis moTxovnileba ar iqneba!<br />
_ diax, xelisuflebis kontroli<br />
Jurnalistebis movale-<br />
obaa, Tumca jer prezidenti ar<br />
gamxdara da qalbatoni zurabiS-<br />
vili ukve gveubneba, gaanZrieT<br />
tvinio. prezidentobis kandidati<br />
medias ase unda gvelapar-<br />
akebodes?<br />
_ Seuracxyofas rogor mogayenebdaT<br />
an amas rogor gabedavda?<br />
_ metic, gabeda da gamoacxa-<br />
da, prezidenti xalxTan unda iy-<br />
os, magram xalxze zemoT unda<br />
iyoso!<br />
_ esec arasworad iqna gagebuli...<br />
_ batono lado, Cven prezi-<br />
denti unda avirCioT, lingvisti<br />
ki ara!<br />
_ ki batono, magram me es ise ar<br />
gamigia, rogorc sxvam gaigo. ese<br />
igi, me cota ukeTesad mesmis _<br />
bodiSs vixdi, ar minda, rom Jurnalistebze<br />
maRla davdge...<br />
_ Tqven SeiZleba, franguli<br />
iciT da xvdebiT, zurabiSvils<br />
risi Tqma unda, magram Cven, saqar<br />
arTvelos moqalaqeebs, frangu-<br />
lis codna ar gvevaleba, radgan<br />
zurabiSvilis qveteqstebs Cavwv-<br />
deT...<br />
_ ubedureba egaa, rom Cven qar-<br />
Tulis codnac ar gvevaleba _<br />
qarTul saganmanaTleblo sistemaSi<br />
gogebaSvilis „deda enac”<br />
aRar aris. Cven „mere ra” davner-<br />
N31 (252) 9.10-15.10.2018 w.<br />
geT da araferi gvevaleba. samagierod,<br />
kritika gvevaleba da SegviZlia,<br />
nebismier adamians yvelaferi<br />
movkiTxoT, oRond rogor<br />
SeiZleba, vinmem rame Cven rom<br />
mogvkiTxos?! samwuxarod, esaa<br />
Cveni qveyana, magram Cemi SviliSvilebis<br />
Taobas rom vuyureb, nelnela<br />
sworad msjelobs!<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, axal Taobas,<br />
20-15 wlis axalgazrdebs, mec<br />
vuyureb da zurabiSvilis mimarT<br />
odnavi simpaTiac ki ar aqvT...<br />
_ 20-25 wlis axalgazrdebi<br />
mainc mowamlulebi arian...<br />
_ urTierToba Tineijere-<br />
bTanac maqvs da ver getyviT, rom<br />
salomes pirovnebiT aRfrTov-<br />
anebulebi arian!<br />
_ ra vqnaT axla? saqarTvelos<br />
damoukideblobas 1918 welsac<br />
bevri mteri hyavda!<br />
_ ukacravad, salomes saqa-<br />
rTvelos damoukideblobasTan<br />
gaigiveba Zalian uxeSi Sedarebaa!<br />
_ cxovreba grZeldeba da wyveta<br />
ar aris! viRacebi amboben, es<br />
qveyana Cvengan iwyebao, magram ase<br />
ar SeiZleba.<br />
_ geTanxmebiT, rom saqarTve-<br />
los istoria arc 2003 wlidan<br />
dawyebula da arc salomeTi iw-<br />
yeba...<br />
_ memkvidreobaSi bevri Cavardna<br />
gvaqvs, magram amis ar unda<br />
SegveSindes da erTad unda gamovjanmrTeldeT!<br />
sxvanairad am qveynis<br />
xvalindeli dRe ar aSendeba.<br />
SeiZleba, bevrs ar moswons da ki<br />
batono, rogor SeiZleba, yvelas<br />
moswondes, magram roca adamiani<br />
Tavis nafiqrals realizebas gaukeTebs<br />
da delegirebuli uflebebi<br />
eqneba, SeiZleba, bevrma Sexeduleba<br />
Seicvalos!<br />
roca nodar axalkacs Tbilisis<br />
„dinamos” mwvrTnelad niSnavdnen,<br />
ar icodnen, rogori kaci iniSneboda,<br />
magram misma damoukideblobam<br />
da sxvebisgan Caurevlobam,<br />
Tbilisis „dinamo” mxolod sabWoTa<br />
kavSiris Cempioni ki ar gaxada,<br />
aramed, evropis Tasi aaRebina!<br />
amitom damoukideblobis is<br />
xarisxi, romelic adamians aqvs da<br />
jer ar ici, Sens qveyanas rogor<br />
gamoadgeba, pirdapir qiliki da<br />
lanZRva ar SeiZleba.<br />
saerTod, lanZRvisa da cudi<br />
sityvebis winaaRmdegi var, Torem<br />
mware da marTali sityva aucilebelia!<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, amas winaT<br />
cudi sityva Tavad zurabiSvil-<br />
ma Tqva _ „SevatynaTo”, Tumca ar<br />
vici, amaSi ras gulisxmobda...<br />
_ me ar momismenia... SeiZleba,<br />
adamians raRac wamoscdes...<br />
_ hoda, roca icis, rom rame<br />
arakoreqtuli wamoscdeba, jo-<br />
bia, saerTod gaCumdes!<br />
_ gaxsovT, qarTvelebma vaJas<br />
rogor uTxres, enas giwunebTo,<br />
magram, Turme, ras metyvelebda<br />
da rogori genosi yofila, roca<br />
vaJa Tavis enaze wavikiTxeT da<br />
Taviseburad gavugeT!<br />
_ merwmuneT, salome vaJa ve-<br />
rasodes gaxdeba!<br />
_ imas ki ar vambob, salome<br />
vaJa-fSavela gaxdeba-meTqi, imas<br />
vambob, Cven vin gavxdebiT-meTqi,<br />
Cven rogor movismenT da droze<br />
adre SevafasebT Tu ara. jer operacia<br />
damTavrebuli ar aris,<br />
arc reabilitaciaa gavlili da<br />
pacientis mdgomareobaze ase advilad<br />
nu vmsjelobT!<br />
_ batono lado, kidev erT<br />
Temas Sevexebi: zurabiSvils ek-<br />
lesiac upirispirdeba da „marix-<br />
uanas dedofals” eZaxis. arada,<br />
Tqven mxolod marixuanas ki ara,<br />
yvela saxis narkotikis winaaRm-<br />
degi xarT.<br />
_ winaaRmdegi ki ara, mteri var,<br />
magram salomes aqac ver gauges.<br />
verasodes davijereb, rom mas<br />
unda, „marixuanas dedofali”<br />
iyos...<br />
_ man Tqva, rom marixuanas sa-<br />
ganmanaTleblo<br />
ideologias<br />
Caudgeba saTaveSi...<br />
_ Tqven xom wesierebisa da simarTlis<br />
kampanias udgaxarT saTaveSi?<br />
_ Tu sazogadoeba ase fiqr-<br />
obs, ese igi, asea...<br />
_ ra unda momces adamianma,<br />
rom narkotiks mxari davuWiro,<br />
magram mec SemiZlia Cavudge saTaveSi<br />
saganmanaTleblo kampanias<br />
narkotikebis sazianobaze...<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, sityva „sagan-<br />
manaTleblo” mas Semdeg axsena,<br />
rac aJiotaJi atyda...<br />
_ iciT, ra aris? adamians, maT<br />
Soris, politikossac, romelsac<br />
komunikaciis unari aqvs, SeiZleba,<br />
metyvelebisas lafsusi mouvides.<br />
magaliTad, gaixseneT, ra<br />
uTqvams reigans an zogjer trampi<br />
ras ambobs xolme, magram Tu<br />
adamianis sityvam vinmes yurs ziani<br />
miayena da am sityvas ganmartavs,<br />
es didi vaJkacobaa, qaloba da<br />
Tqvendami, adamianebisadmi siyvarulia!<br />
minda, es yvelam gavigoT!<br />
es saqebari sityvebi ar aris. roca<br />
qarTul diasporasTan, mgonia,<br />
rom gamarTuli qarTuliT vlaparakob,<br />
SeiZleba, ver gaigon da<br />
ubnis dialeqtze gadavdivar. zogjer<br />
megrelebTan megrulad vuqcev<br />
xolme, raWvelebTan ki _ raWulad.<br />
es ar niSnavs, rom isini ar<br />
miyvars!<br />
_ batono lado, Tqven lado<br />
xarT, kaxaZe, is ki salomea,<br />
zurabiSvili da Tqveni magali-<br />
Tis moSveliebiT zurabiSvilis<br />
mxardamWerad mainc maqcevT!<br />
_ uRrmesi madloba, magram<br />
gavbede da giTxarT, salomes mxardamWeri<br />
gaxdiT-meTqi? rac<br />
unda moxdes, TqvenTan urTier-<br />
Tobas ver gavwyvet da mjera, Tu<br />
rame Secdomas davuSveb, moxvalT,<br />
metyviT da amas miviReb!<br />
_ mokled, sazogadoebis yve-<br />
la fenas zurabiSvilis, minimum,<br />
gamonaTqvamebi aRizianebs. hoda,<br />
xelmeored gekiTxebiT: am situ-<br />
aciaSi ar gerCiaT, ganze gamd-<br />
gariyaviT?<br />
_ 65 wlis var, male pensiaze<br />
gavdivar da amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
sul maxsovs muxran maWavarianis<br />
genialuri leqsi: „xmas<br />
amoiReb, vaia; Cumad iqnebi, _ ui,<br />
vinc laparakobs, xom styuis, vinc<br />
sdums, is ufro styuis!”<br />
am sibereSi Cemi qveynis damoukideblobis<br />
aRdgena minda, im damoukideblobisa,<br />
romlis tkivilic<br />
bebiaCemma da babuaCemma gaiyoles!<br />
minda, is gawyvetili kavSiri<br />
aRdges, romelic asi wlis winaT<br />
gagviwyvites. es kavSiri cxonebulma<br />
zviad gamsaxurdiam da merab<br />
kostavam aRgvidgines da amis<br />
dazianebis ufleba ar gvaqvs! mar-<br />
Talia, rusebis mxridan bevri Semotevaa,<br />
magram es damoukidebloba<br />
unda gagrZeldes. rusebi swored<br />
amas ar gvpatioben da arasodes<br />
gvapatieben, magram ar unda<br />
SegveSindes!<br />
erTad dgomiT bevri ramis gamosworeba<br />
SeiZleba, maT Soris,<br />
qarTulis swavlac, ganaTlebis<br />
srulyofac, rwmenaSi gaZlierebac<br />
da samxedro mzadyofnac!<br />
_ bolos, ybadaRebul farul<br />
Canawerebsac Sevexebi. salome<br />
zurabiSvilma, miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom am CanawerebSi moqmedi da<br />
yofili maRalCinosnebi, aseve<br />
ivaniSvili da misi Zma da deidaS-<br />
vili figurireben, komentari ar<br />
gaakeTa, anu Tqva, rom ivaniSvilTan<br />
kiTxvebi ar aqvs. prezi-<br />
dentobis kandidati ase dros ase<br />
unda iqceodes?<br />
_ amaze vinmem hkiTxa?<br />
_ diax, hkiTxes...<br />
_ momxre arasodes var, rom<br />
udanaSaulobis prezumpcia dair-<br />
Rves da vinme argumentebis gareSe<br />
an daisajos, an ar daisajos. yvela<br />
saqmeSi ilia WavWavaZiseuli mosamarTle-momrigeblis<br />
momxre var.<br />
_ es mesmis, magram zurabiS-<br />
vils, rogorc prezidentobis<br />
kandidats, minimum, is xom mainc<br />
unda eTqva, farul Canawerebze<br />
gamoZieba unda Catardeso?<br />
_ es, ra Tqma unda. hkiTxon da<br />
aucileblad ityvis...<br />
_ hkiTxes da upasuxa, ivaniS-<br />
vilTan kiTxvebi ar maqvso...<br />
_ ver getyviT...<br />
yvela im adamians, visac SeiZleba,<br />
guli vatkine, minda, bodiSi<br />
movuxado da augs aravisze vityvi.<br />
socialur qselSi raRac komentarebi<br />
wavikiTxe da bebiaCemis sityvebi<br />
gamaxsenda, qveynad ucvleli<br />
mxolod is aris, rom yvelaferi<br />
cvalebadiao. am mudmivad cvalebad<br />
samyaroSi adgilis mopoveba<br />
advili ar aris! mesmis, Znelia,<br />
magram Tu am adamianebs odesme Cemi<br />
Tavi dasWirdaT, iseTive lado<br />
davxvdebi, rogorsac micnoben da<br />
araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar vuRalateb!<br />
roca saqarTvelo finalSi<br />
gava, netav, maTma falavanma gaiyvanos<br />
da maT falavans davuWer<br />
mxars! mTavaria, finalSi viyoT!<br />
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