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mmarTveli gundi kraxisTvis<br />
ganwirulia. bolo dros ganviTarebulma movlenebma gansakuTre-<br />
biT TvalSi sacemi gaxada „qarTuli ocnebis” zeobis periodSi<br />
arsebuli mankieri mxareebi. araformaluri mmarTveloba, elituri<br />
korufcia, biznesreketi saxelmwifos saxeliT da am yve-<br />
lafris paralelurad quCaSi samarTlis saZebnad gamosuli<br />
Svilmokluli mamebis dausrulebeli protesti, romlis mimarTac<br />
xelisufleba sruliad araadekvaturia. yvela am faqtor-<br />
ma da saprezidento arCevnebze moRalate salomed wodebul<br />
kandidatze fsonis dadebam sazogadoebaSi didi imedgacrueba<br />
gamoiwvia da „ocnebis” politikuri daisic aqtiur fazaSi gada-<br />
vida. pirvel oqtombers, „qarTuli ocnebis” mmarTvelobis 6<br />
wlis Tavze, Cven vnaxeT politikuri sanagvisTvis ganwiruli<br />
politikosebi, romlebmac, miRwevebis nacvlad, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” 9-wlian reJimze isaubres. rogorc Cans, „ocneba”<br />
CarCa da ver gamodis wina xelisuflebis mmarTvelobis kri-<br />
tikidan. maT veraferi gviTxres miRwevebze, radgan realuri<br />
miRwevebi 6 wlis ganmavlobaSi arc hqoniaT.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
isTvis, aseve saxelmwifos ganvi-<br />
TarebisTvis, radgan am SemTxveva-<br />
Si instituciuri wesrigi eWvqveS<br />
dgeba. Zalisa da instituciuri<br />
centrebi erTmaneTs acdenilia<br />
da, faqtobrivad, ukontrolo<br />
situacia iqmneba, romelic qaosis<br />
winapirobaa.<br />
_ am qaosis Seqmnasa da gamos-<br />
worebaSi ivaniSvilis faqtori,<br />
SeiZleba iTqvas, gadamwyvetia,<br />
ramdenad adekvaturia is?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, Cven ver vityviT,<br />
rom ivaniSvili am procesebis<br />
miRmaa. misi pasuxismgebloba<br />
ikveTeba am yvelaferze. ori sxvadasxva<br />
tipis pasuxismgebloba-<br />
saWiroa, man dRes mainc radikaluri<br />
da Zalian agresiuli zomebi<br />
miiRos am mankieri sistemis Tavis<br />
wasaclelad. Tu ivaniSvilma es ar<br />
gaakeTa, maSin saxelmwifoebriv<br />
procesSi misi advokatoba gaWirdeba.<br />
_ paralelebi rom gaavloT<br />
2012-2016 wlebisa da 2016 wlidan<br />
dRemde mmarTvel gundebs Soris,<br />
realurad, bolo ori wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
xelisuflebis reitin-<br />
gi sagangaSod daeca. rogor fiqrobT,<br />
es riT aris ganpirobebu-<br />
li, maSin ufro Zlieri gundi<br />
hyavda ivaniSvils?<br />
_ garkveulwilad, asea. person-<br />
mmarTvel gundSi arsebul<br />
krizisze „qronika+”-s eqsperti<br />
gia xuxaSvili esaubra:<br />
_ dReis mdgomareobiT xe-<br />
lisuflebas, garkveulwilad,<br />
dakarguli aqvs Tu ara legiti-<br />
macia?<br />
_ vfiqrob, inercia negatiuria.<br />
am inerciiTve TavdaRma miemarTeba<br />
yvelaferi. garkveulwilad, xelisuflebas<br />
dakarguli aqvs legitimacia.<br />
Tu Cven demokratiaze<br />
an saxalxo mmarTvelobaze vsaubrobT,<br />
xelisuflebis legitimacia<br />
Zalian dasustebulia, mas naturaluri<br />
mxardamWeri Zalian cota<br />
darCa. xelisuflebis stabiluroba<br />
ki mxolod ori faqtori-<br />
Taa uzrunvelyofili: 1. resursi<br />
aqvs monopolizebuli da bunebrivia,<br />
es aZlevs upiratesobas; 2.<br />
politikuri alternativac Tavis-<br />
Tavad diskreditebulia. alternativis<br />
ararseboba da resursebis<br />
monopolizeba, SeiZleba vTqvaT,<br />
rom es ori faqtori aris<br />
stablurobis garanti. am oridan<br />
arc erTi ar aris mudmivi faqtori,<br />
orive droebiTia, romelic,<br />
adre Tu gvian, ubralod, amoiwureba.<br />
_ am resursebis amowurvis<br />
daCqareba, konkretulad, razea<br />
damokidebuli?<br />
_ amaze sazogadoeba iRebs gadawyvetilebas.<br />
ase rom vTqvaT,<br />
sazogadoeba xelisuflebas resursebis<br />
borotad gamoyenebis saSualebas<br />
xelidan aclis. meore<br />
mxriv ki ayalibebs axali politikuri<br />
Zalis centrs, romelic<br />
saxelmwifo ganviTarebaze pasuxismgeblobas<br />
gadaibarebs. es ori<br />
ram aris gasakeTebeli, orive sazogadoebisa<br />
da xalxis gasakeTebelia.<br />
sxva amas veravin SeZlebs.<br />
rodis dadgeba es kritikuli wertili,<br />
rodesac daqsaqsuli, samzareuloebSi<br />
gamoketili, moCur-<br />
Cule sazogadoeba Seikribeba da<br />
Sesabamis gadawyvetilebebs miiRebs,<br />
amaze pasuxi ar maqvs, es, albaT,<br />
lela kakulias unda hkiTxoT,<br />
magram TviTon scenari gardauvalia.<br />
am qveynis uaxlesi istoria<br />
aCvenebs, rom msgavs viTarebaSi<br />
sxva scenari ar arsebobs. es,<br />
ra Tqma unda, im daTqmiT, Tu xelisuflebam<br />
ver ipova Tavis Tav-<br />
Si imis resursi, rom seriozuli,<br />
radikaluri transformacia moaxdinos<br />
ukeTesobisken, Tu ver Seqmna<br />
pozitiuri dRis wesrigi,<br />
rasac, samwuxarod, dRemde ver<br />
axerxebs.<br />
_ realurad, Cvens xelisu-<br />
flebas imis potenciali aqvs,<br />
rom pozitiuri dRis wesrigi Se-<br />
qmnas? am etapze rogori Sansebi<br />
aqvs?<br />
_ Teoriulad, ra Tqma unda,<br />
aqvs, radgan ar mgonia, rom xelisufleba<br />
erTgvarovani da degradirebuli<br />
iyos. cxadia, masSi<br />
Cabudebulia urCxuli, romelic<br />
cdilobs, Tavis mSobeli SeWamos,<br />
magram jer kidev SesaZlebelia,<br />
rom am urCxuls Tavi waacalon.<br />
urCxulSi vgulisxmob im mankier<br />
sistemas, romelic am xelisuflebam<br />
wina xelisuflebisgan gadmoibara.<br />
am sistemas „koleqtiur murusiZes”<br />
veZaxi, romelic, garkveulwilad,<br />
kidev ufro gaTamamda<br />
imitom, rom Tu es sistema miSa<br />
saakaSvilis pirobebSi politikaze<br />
muSaobda, axla mas pretenzia<br />
gauCnda, rom sakuTar Tavze amu-<br />
Saos politika, anu politikuri<br />
elita mZevlad aiyvana, rac, Cemi<br />
azriT, bevrad ufro saxifaToa.<br />
saxifaToa rogorc xelisufleb-<br />
gia xuxaSvili:<br />
`am xalxs<br />
gamomZieblebi<br />
kalams ver<br />
gaagdebineben<br />
xelidan,<br />
yvelafers<br />
ivaniSvils<br />
daabraleben,<br />
yvela levan<br />
yifiani<br />
gaxdeba~<br />
sTan aqvs saqme: pirveli, es iyo<br />
misi mxridan daSvebuli Secdomebi<br />
da meore, es iyo misi winaswar<br />
gansazRvruli qmedebebi. mainc<br />
mgonia da imedi maqvs, rom am tipis<br />
ganviTareba ufro SecdomebiT<br />
iyo ganpirobebuli, magram imisTvis,<br />
rom es azri ar Semecvalos,<br />
`salome zurabiSvili aviRoT: mas rom<br />
gamoecxadebina, rom saprezidento<br />
arCevnebSi iyris kenWs, amis Semdeg<br />
daetovebina qveyana 27 oqtombramde da<br />
17-Si saRamos Camosuliyo, faqtia, bevrad<br />
met xmas miiRebda, vidre im<br />
antikampaniiT, rasac is atarebs.<br />
xelisufleba Tavis yvela nabijiT da<br />
skandaliT, rac am periodSi xdeba,<br />
TviTdazianebas iyenebs. es naRmebi<br />
Signidan feTqdeba. Tundac parlamentis<br />
quTaisidan TbilisSi gadmotana esec xom<br />
erT-erTi afeTqebaa, amitom erTi Tvis<br />
ganmavlobaSi kidev aseTi ramdeni<br />
sisulele moxdeba, amis prognozs ver<br />
gavakeTeb. xelisufleba yvelafers<br />
akeTebs ara imisTvis, rom arCevnebi<br />
moigos, aramed imisTvis, rom rogorme<br />
waagos. es aris swored Zalian sasacilo~<br />
aluri da profesiuli degradacia<br />
TvalnaTelia, magram ar mgonia,<br />
rom es iyos mTavari mizezi.<br />
SeiZleba vTqvaT, arakompetenturoba<br />
iyos erT-erTi mTavari mizezi,<br />
Tumca ganmsazRvreli mainc is<br />
aris, rom xelisuflebam yvelafer<br />
imasTan Tanacxovrebis komforti<br />
igrZno, ris gamoc 2012<br />
wlis mSvidobiani revolucia moxda<br />
_ me ase davarqmevdi. xelisuflebam<br />
yvela is mankiereba Seisruta,<br />
Tumca mainc humanuria da<br />
garkveul plusebs inarCunebs, magram<br />
rigi mimarTulebebiT vi-<br />
Tareba gauaresda, rac arakompetenturobam<br />
ganapiroba. ufro<br />
gasagebi, rom iyos, erT magaliTs<br />
mogiyvanT: gardamaval periodSi,<br />
rodesac aseTi procesebi xdeba,<br />
sxvadasxva interesjgufi da politikuri<br />
elita bunebrivad upirispirdeba<br />
erTmaneTs, anu fundamenturi<br />
sakiTxi wydeba. politika<br />
muSaobs fulze Tu fuli muSaobs<br />
politikaze. miSa saakaSvilis<br />
dros mankieri sistema iyo, magram<br />
saakaSvili axerxebda, rom fuli<br />
emuSavebina politikaze, anu es<br />
yvelaferi politikur vertikal-<br />
Si hqonda ganTavsebuli da metnaklebad<br />
am yvelafers akontrolebda.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom es<br />
didi ubedureba iyo, garkveuli<br />
instituciuri wesrigi uzrunvelyofili<br />
gaxldaT, swored politikis<br />
dominirebiT ekonomikasa da<br />
finansur interesebze. saxelmwifoebrivad<br />
es damRupveli iyo,<br />
imitom, rom realur, civilizebul<br />
samyaroSi fuli da politika<br />
erTmaneTisgan maqsimalurad<br />
daSoriSorebuli unda iyos. romelime<br />
erTis dominireba damRupvelia<br />
da saxelmwifos ar aZlevs<br />
ganviTarebis saSualebas, ase rom,<br />
balansi daculi unda iyos.<br />
_ dRes ra mdgomareobaa,<br />
politika muSaobs fulze?<br />
_ dRes gaCnda imis simptomebi,<br />
rom es viTareba SeiZleba, Setrialdes,<br />
anu politika muSaobdes<br />
fulze. amis saxifaTo niSnebi ukve<br />
gamoCnda, rac bevrad uaresia<br />
imaze, roca fuli muSaobs politikaze.<br />
ratom aris uaresi? imitom,<br />
rom am dros ikargeba kontroli<br />
da saxelmwifo instituciuri<br />
wesrigi eWvqveS dgeba, rac sistemuri,<br />
grZelvadiani TvalsazrisiT<br />
damangrevelia.<br />
_ aseT dros, rodesac saubar-<br />
ia imaze, rom politika muSaobs<br />
fulze, „omega” jgufTan dakav-<br />
Sirebuli movlenebi maxsendeba,<br />
rogor fiqrobT, ra xdeba?<br />
_ ar mgonia, rom am sakiTxSi<br />
vinme angelozi iyos. gasagebia,<br />
rom oquaSvils Tavisi interesi<br />
aqvs da is sakuTari interesidan<br />
gamomdinare moqmedebs im meTodiT,<br />
rac SeuZlia. ar aqvs mniSvneloba,<br />
es mogvwons Tu _ ara. ra<br />
Tqma unda, am tipis saqcieli ar<br />
momwons, magram es misi uflebaa,<br />
is ase icavs Tavs. realurad, Tavis<br />
interess icavs am procesSi.<br />
_ mxolod oquaSvilis interesebis<br />
dacvas xedavT am proces-<br />
Si?<br />
_ ara, jer mxolod oquaSvilis<br />
mxare Sevafase, rac Seexeba savaraudo<br />
TaRliTur danaSauls (savaraudos<br />
vambob, radgan udana-<br />
Saulobis prezumpcia unda davicva),<br />
meore mxridan vinc cdilobda,<br />
rom misi am problemebis gadawyvetis<br />
xarjze sakuTari keTildReoba<br />
moewyo da rac yvelaze<br />
aRmaSfoTebelia, es gaekeTebina<br />
8 N31 (252) 9.10-15.10.2018 w.
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