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`putini stalinis gegmis<br />
20 ivnisisa da 8 ivlisis mov-<br />
koka wereTeli<br />
lenebze msjelobisas formas<br />
ufro met yuradRebas vaqcevT,<br />
vidre Sinaarss da mizanmimarTulad, Segnebulad an sruliad<br />
gulubryvilod da Seugneblad gverdiT vtovebT politikur<br />
procesebSi saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli eklesiis mmarTve-<br />
li instituciis _ sapatriarqos rols. procesebSi eklesiis<br />
xiluli Tu faruli CarTuloba, metic _ misi mokavSireoba<br />
saxelmwifoSi destabilizaciis procesSi, raoden savalaloc<br />
ar unda iyos, ar xdeba romelime politikuri Zalis sasarge-<br />
blod an sawinaaRmdegod, es xdeba qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />
winaaRmdeg da warmoadgens rusuli, konkretulad ki putinis<br />
imperialisturi politikis realizebas. raoden savalaloa,<br />
rom am procesSi minawileobs is institucia, romelic qarTu-<br />
li saxelmwifosa da simarTlis sadarajoze unda idges.<br />
guram lursmanaSvili:<br />
`eklesiisTvis<br />
aseTi saSineleba<br />
TviT udides<br />
amjerad SevecadoT gavcdeT im<br />
suraTs, romelsac vxedavT da ver<br />
vaanalizebT da procesebis arss<br />
CavwvdeT. am Temaze „qronika+~-s<br />
Teologi guram lursmanaSvili<br />
esaubra:<br />
_ 20 ivnissa da mis Semdgom ganviTarebuli<br />
movlenebis Sefaseb-<br />
isas TiTqmis yvela cdilobs,<br />
gverdi auaros Zalian mniSvnelo-<br />
van sakiTxs _ eklesias da mis<br />
rols am procesebSi, Tu ufro<br />
davkonkretdebi, eklesiis politikur<br />
berketad gamoyenebas. piradad<br />
CemTvis gasagebia am koni-<br />
unqturis Sinaarsi, magram rogor<br />
SeiZleba amocana amoxsna, prob-<br />
lema gadawyvito, Tu pirobis<br />
umTavres mocemulobas ugulebelyof,<br />
es gaugebaria. rogor xe-<br />
dav am process?<br />
_ gavrilovis Camosvlam, mar-<br />
Tlmadideblurma kongresma da,<br />
zogadad, bolo periodSi ganvi-<br />
Tarebulma movlenebma bevr rameze<br />
dagvafiqra. realurad, Cvens geopolitikur<br />
mdgomareobaSi myofi<br />
qveynisTvis, maSin rodesac hibriduli<br />
omisTvis ruseTis mxridan<br />
araproporciuli Zalaa gamoyenebuli,<br />
aseT sakiTxebze, gansakuTrebiT<br />
eklesiis politikur berketad<br />
gamoyenebaze, saxelmwifos calke<br />
mimarTuleba da gegma unda<br />
hqondes. samwuxarod, CvenTan ara-<br />
Tu saxelmwifo, Jurnalistebic ki<br />
xSirad ar interesdebian amgvari<br />
TemebiT, sxva politikuri Zalebi<br />
ki moWarbebuli farisevlobiT<br />
gamoirCevian, radgan sWirdebaT eklesia<br />
da maTi saeklesio procesebSi<br />
CarTuloba „damloce mamaos”<br />
formatSi mimdinareobs. vsargeblob<br />
SemTxveviT da madlobas mogaxsenebT<br />
am sakiTxebiT dainteresebisa<br />
da gaSuqebisTvis.<br />
_ gmadlobT, Tumca vxedav, rom<br />
viTareba savalaloa da, marTlac,<br />
Cveni politikuri cxovrebis am<br />
mniSvnelovan<br />
mimarTulebaze<br />
TiTqmis aravin saubrobs.<br />
_ diax, asea. an saubroben saku-<br />
Tari politikuri dRis wesrigidan<br />
gamomdinare. bolo periodSi imanac<br />
gaiJRera, rom putini „marTlmadidebluri<br />
vatikanis” aSenebas<br />
apirebs, rac piradad CemTvis siaxle<br />
namdvilad araa. zogadad, Cemi<br />
azri isaa, rom putinis mier warmarTuli<br />
saeklesio politikisa da<br />
ara mxolod gasaRebi stalinuri<br />
mmarTvelobis sistemaSi unda veZeboT.<br />
_ ras gulisxmob?<br />
_ stalinsave ekuTvnis „marTlmadidebluri<br />
vatikanis” idea. masve<br />
ukavSirdeba „msoflio kreba”, kongresebi,<br />
„saerTo-marTlmadidebluri”<br />
Sekreba da a. S., rasac<br />
ruseTi dResac aqtiurad iyenebs.<br />
mTeli am ablabudis gaxsna da dalageba<br />
vcadoT.<br />
_ vcadoT, friad saintereso<br />
iqneba, Tundac bevri ramis<br />
gasaazreblad.<br />
_ sxva drosac aRgviniSnavs, rom<br />
stalini iyo is pirovneba, romelmac<br />
sabWoTa kavSirSi religiuri<br />
politika Secvala da marqsistuli<br />
aTeizmidan „stalinuri marTlmadidebloba”<br />
Seqmna, anu eklesia,<br />
rogorc rusuli uSiSroebis mier<br />
momzadebuli da anaforebSi gaxveuli<br />
agentebis struqtura, romelic<br />
ara qristes, aramed kremlisturi<br />
ideologiuri manqanis usityvo<br />
morCili unda yofiliyo. eklesiisTvis<br />
aseTi saSineleba TviT<br />
udides mdevnelebsac ki ar gaukeTebiaT.<br />
gardamtexi meore msoflio<br />
omis periodi gamodga. 1943<br />
wels stalinsa da mitropolit sergi<br />
starogorodskis Soris konkordati<br />
gaformda.<br />
_ amave periods ukavSirdeba<br />
saqarTvelos eklesiasTan evqa-<br />
ristiuli kavSiris aRdgena.<br />
_ diax. stalinuri marTlmadidebloba<br />
fesvebs idgamda. 1945<br />
wels omi dasrulda da gamarjvebuli<br />
stalinisTvis pirveli metoqe<br />
oficialuri vatikani da, Sesabamisad,<br />
romis kaTolike eklesia aRmoCnda.<br />
mizezi martivia, _ stalins<br />
surda misi gavlenis sfero msoflio<br />
masStabiT kidev ufro gaezarda,<br />
rasac ideologiuri wyaro<br />
sWirdeboda. amaSi metoqed ki romis<br />
kaTolike eklesia isaxeboda,<br />
romelsac dasavleT evropasa da<br />
laTinur amerikaSi milionobiT<br />
mrevli da morwmune hyavda. realurad,<br />
Tundac igive marTlmadideblebsa<br />
da kaTolikeebs Soris dRemde<br />
arsebobs e. w. Sereuli komisiebi,<br />
dialogebi, sadac mxareebi argumentirebulad<br />
msjeloben, kama-<br />
Toben, SeTanxmebebs aRweven, ver<br />
Tanxmdebian da a. S. rac jansaRi da<br />
normaluri procesia. am yvelafrisgan<br />
ki sruliad gansxvavebuli<br />
midgoma Camoayaliba stalinma.<br />
_ anu?<br />
_ stalinma sam frontze gaSala<br />
muSaoba: pirveli, _ saSineli si-<br />
Zulvilis ena kaTolikeebisadmi,<br />
romis papisa Tu oficialuri vatikanisadmi,<br />
anu zRaprebze dayrdnobili<br />
„antiekumenisturi” brZola;<br />
meore, _ rogorc ruseTs sCvevia,<br />
ganmaTavisufleblis rolis<br />
morgeba, e. i. moskovs unda exsna ka-<br />
mdevnelebsac ki<br />
ar gaukeTebiaT~<br />
Tolike mrevli vatikanisa da romis<br />
papis „Tavgasulobisgan”; mesame,<br />
_ mogexsenebaT, es postmsoflio<br />
omis epoqaa, sadac stalini<br />
gamarjvebulia. radikalurad sxva<br />
viTarebaSia italia, Sesabamisad,<br />
saerTaSoriso sivrceSi rusuli<br />
mxare vatikanisgan faSistebis mxardaWeraze<br />
gamudmebiT apelirebs.<br />
1945 wlis 15 marts karpovi stalins<br />
saerTaSoriso qristianuli<br />
kongresis gamarTvis Sesaxeb esaubra,<br />
romlis mizanic iyo arakaTolike<br />
eklesiebis vatikanis winaaRmdeg<br />
gaerTianeba, romelic<br />
msoflio winamZRvrobaze ayenebda<br />
pretenziebs.<br />
_ moica, es karpovi vin iyo?<br />
_ stalinma rom religiuri<br />
politikis gadaxedva daiwyo, mere<br />
Seiqmna eklesiis saqmeTa sabWo,<br />
romelmac eklesiasTan dakavSirebuli<br />
yvela saqme Caibara. sabWos<br />
xelmZRvanelobda uSiSroebis komitetis<br />
generali karpovi.<br />
_ gasagebia, gavagrZeloT...<br />
_ marTlmadideblebis garda<br />
kongresSi monawileobas miiRebdnen<br />
anglikanuri, ZvelmorwmuneTa,<br />
protestantuli da meTodisturi<br />
eklesiebi evropidan da aSS-dan,<br />
aseve koptebi egviptidan, somxebic<br />
da sxva qristianuli aRmsareblobebi.<br />
am forumze unda „daecvaT”<br />
kaTolikuri swavleba da daegmoT<br />
moZRvreba, rom dedamiwaze romis<br />
papi qristes vikaria, aseve papis<br />
ucdomelobis dogma da gansakuTrebiT<br />
nacistebisadmi misi mxardaWera.<br />
ise, kongresi vaxseneT<br />
da magaliTad ramdenime wlis win<br />
TbilisSi zarzeimiT Catarebuli<br />
„saojaxo kongresic” gamaxsenda,<br />
sadac evropa-amerikidan mowveuli<br />
`stalini iyo is pirovneba, romelmac sabWoTa<br />
kavSirSi religiuri politika Secvala da<br />
marqsistuli aTeizmidan `stalinuri<br />
marTlmadidebloba~ Seqmna, anu eklesia,<br />
rogorc rusuli uSiSroebis mier<br />
momzadebuli da anaforebSi gaxveuli<br />
agentebis struqtura, romelic ara qristes,<br />
aramed kremlisturi ideologiuri manqanis<br />
usityvo morCili unda yofiliyo~<br />
sxvadasxva qristianuli konfensiis<br />
warmomadgenlebi Tavad „evropa-amerikis”<br />
zneobrivad dacvas<br />
cdilobdnen. sxvaTa Soris, am<br />
dros seminariis studenti viyavi<br />
da administracia pirdapir mogviwodebda<br />
studentebs masze daswrebisken.<br />
Temas davubrundeT: am procesebSi<br />
ar unda gagvikvirdes anglikanuri<br />
eklesiis CarTuloba.<br />
jer 1945 welia, CerCilma ki 1946<br />
wlis 5 marts fultonSi Tavisi<br />
cnobili sityva warmoTqva, rac<br />
civi omis dasawyisad miiCneva. sainteresoa,<br />
rom garkveuli drois<br />
Semdeg britanelma diplomatebma<br />
Sesabamis uwyebebs acnobes, rom<br />
ruseTis eklesia cdilobda mar-<br />
Tlmadidebluri samyaros centrad<br />
gaxdomas, raSic sabWoTa mTavroba<br />
exmareboda.<br />
_ magram istorulad cnobilia,<br />
rom gafrTxilebaTa miuxedavad,<br />
anglikanurma eklesiam kremlTan<br />
TanamSromloba mainc gaagr-<br />
Zela.<br />
_ swored am TanamSromlobis<br />
gamoc iyo saqarTvelosa da anglikanuri<br />
eklesiebis egzomi daaxloeba<br />
XX saukunis meore naxevar-<br />
Si. Sedegi vaxseneT da am „stalinuri<br />
marTlmadideblobis” Sedegia<br />
is antikaTolikuri isteria, rac<br />
saqarTveloSi garkveuli jgufebis<br />
mier mizanmimarTulad vrceldeba.<br />
is mTlianad cdeba polemikur,<br />
Teologiur, qristianul, mar-<br />
Tlmadideblur Tundac adamianur<br />
formebs da bevrad mZime Sedegebs<br />
iRebs, rom vatikanSi Turme bavSvebs<br />
cocxlad swiraven, papi cdilobs,<br />
qarTveloba da marTlmadidebloba<br />
wagvarTvas, ekumenizmiT<br />
undaT Cveni ganadgureba da a. S.<br />
_ ho, saocari, saSiSi zRapre-<br />
bi, romelic gonierma adamianma ar<br />
unda daijeros, Tumca, cxadia,<br />
rom CvenSi amas bevri ijerebs...<br />
_ ki, samwuxarod, asea. dasawyis-<br />
Si „marTlmadidebluri vatikani”<br />
vaxseneT, romlis mowyobasac putini<br />
apirebs. es stalinuri ideaa.<br />
konkretulad, 1947 wlis 14 Tebervals<br />
karpovma komunisturi partiis<br />
centralur komitets moaxsena,<br />
rom moskovis sapatriarqos avtoritetma<br />
iseT niSnuls miaRwia,<br />
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