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`is erTi kaci unda CamoSordes politikas~<br />
giorgi sakaruli<br />
31 ivlisi arasdros damaviwydebao,<br />
_ ambobs msaxiobi goga gvele-<br />
555 42 42 90<br />
siani. ar daaviwydeba, radgan swor-<br />
ed 31 ivliss robert sturuam sakuTar dabadebis dReze msax-<br />
iobi (da kidev ramdenime) „rusTavelis Teatridan” gamouSva.<br />
„qronika+~-Tan saubrisas gve-<br />
lesiani im rTul gzas ixsenebs,<br />
romelic man Teatridan wamosvl-<br />
is Semdeg gaiara. 36 weli scenaze<br />
dgas, Tumca misi es staJi, profe-<br />
sionalizmi, kariera da cxovreba,<br />
rac man „rusTavelis Teatris”<br />
scenaze ganvlo, sturuam erTi<br />
xelis moweriT gaunadgura:<br />
_ goga, ra periodi gavida mas<br />
Semdeg, rac Tqven da ramdenime<br />
msaxiobi „rusTavelis Teatridan”<br />
gamogiSves?<br />
_ 31 ivliss weliwadi gaxdeba. es<br />
ar damaviwydeba arasdros, radgan<br />
batoni robert sturuas dabadebis<br />
dRea da swored am dRes miiRo<br />
es gadawyvetileba.<br />
fxulSi unda gveTamaSa da arafer-<br />
Si miSlida xels. baTumidan TbilisSi<br />
Sekrebaze Camovedi, sadac<br />
xeli movawere moTxovnas batoni<br />
robertis TeatrSi dabrunebasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT. Semdeg isev ukan davbrundi<br />
da saRamos ukve speqtaklSi<br />
viTamaSe. maxsovs, maSin „qe-<br />
To da kote” „nacionalebis” speqtaklad<br />
Seracxes.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ ar vici, ratomRac, ase aRiqves.<br />
_ imitom xom ara, rom speqt-<br />
aklSi iseTi saxeebi TamaSobdnen,<br />
romlebic, ase Tu ise, maT mxar-<br />
damWerebad miiCnevian?<br />
_ daviT doiaSvilma dadga,<br />
_ Teatridan gamogiSves da<br />
rogor grZeldeba Tqveni cxovre-<br />
ba? ra xdeba am yvelafris Semdeg?<br />
_ musikisa da dramis TeatrSi<br />
daviT doiaSvilma 5 wlis win dadga<br />
speqtakli „fskeri”, sadac erTerTi<br />
mTavari roli maTamaSa da sami<br />
wlis win wardgenili viyavi xuT<br />
saukeTeso msaxiob mamakacs Soris.<br />
minda aRvniSno, rom daviT doiaSvilTan<br />
muSaobis procesi Zalian<br />
sainteresoa, rac gamoixateba mis<br />
profesionalizmSi, ris gamoc me<br />
Tavs komfortulad vgrZnob. sxva<br />
Teatrebisgan gansxvavebiT musikisa<br />
da dramis TeatrSi sakmaod dabali<br />
xelfasebia. amasTanave, minda<br />
SegaxsenoT, rom 16 wlis winaT gavyide<br />
Cemi oTxoTaxiani bina. es 16<br />
weli binidan-binaSi, qiridan-qira-<br />
Si davexetebodi. is xelfasi, rac<br />
rusTavelis TeatrSi mqonda, ase<br />
Tu ise, myofnida. isev daTo doiaSvilma<br />
gadamarCina. garda amisa, ramdenime<br />
msaxiobma da xelovnebaSi<br />
ZlebT Tavis gatanas. erTi periodi<br />
vfiqrobdi, rom taqsaoba damewyo,<br />
magram roca es regulaciebi da<br />
aTasi ram Semovida, mivxvdi, magdens<br />
veRar gavqaCavdi.<br />
_ robert sturuas poli-<br />
tikuri pozicia Tu igrZnoboda<br />
TeatrSi?<br />
_ politikuri pozicia igrZnoboda,<br />
Tumca veravis magivrad ver<br />
vilaparakeb. mis dadgmul speqtakl<br />
„godos molodinSi” 2003 wels<br />
Teatralurma kritikosebma wlis<br />
saukeTeso msaxiobi mamakacis rolis<br />
Semsruleblad maRiares (miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom ar iyo mTavari<br />
roli). batoni roberti yovelTvis<br />
kmayofili iyo Cemi Sesrulebuli<br />
rolebiT. kmayofili var yvelafriT,<br />
rac Cems cxovrebaSi moxda.<br />
pirvelad baton miSa TumaniSvilis<br />
xelSi movxvdi, romelmac maswavla<br />
da damaufla am profesias da profesionali<br />
msaxiobi var, Semdegi<br />
etapi iyo 20 weli baton robert<br />
damatebuli is, rom daTa aris axalgazrda,<br />
axali sisxli, axali<br />
Taobis, absoluturad axleburad<br />
azrovnebs da darwmunebulia ima-<br />
Si, rasac akeTebs. Teatris garda<br />
mas cxovreba ar SeuZlia da rac<br />
mTavaria, is Zalian niWieria.<br />
_ ra gaswavlaT am erTma wel-<br />
ma. araferze gwydebaT guli?<br />
_ dRevandeli gadasaxedidan<br />
ufro ar mwydeba guli. RmerTma<br />
didxans acocxlos batoni roberti,<br />
magram Semagua imas, rom Sesa-<br />
Zlebelia mis gareSe cxovreba,<br />
Tumca SeiZleba me ufro adre wavide<br />
am qveynidan da masac ar gau-<br />
Wirdeba Cem gareSe cxovreba, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom Zalian axlo adamianebi<br />
viyaviT. bolo periodSi<br />
„rusTavelis Teatris” SenobaSi<br />
mimZimda Sesvla, sadac sicivesa da<br />
siyalbes vgrZnobdi. gana konkretul<br />
adamianebSi an Cems kolegeb-<br />
Si, _ ara. yvelaferi kanonzomieria.<br />
savaraudod, im garemocvaSi da im<br />
`ori ZaRli myavs, mesame<br />
mosamravleblad Camoviyvane,<br />
rom Tavi virCino~<br />
`rogorc ki `mecenatma~<br />
politikaSi wasvla<br />
gadawyvita, mis<br />
daxmarebaze uari vTqvi~<br />
_ ris safuZvelze miiRo pi-<br />
radad Tqveni ganTavisuflebis<br />
gadawyvetileba? gisaubriaT robert<br />
sturuasTan am Temaze?<br />
_ aranairi Sexvedra ar gvqonia.<br />
metsac getyviT: moqmedi msaxiobi<br />
viyavi, speqtaklebSi vTamaSobdi da<br />
marTla ar vici, ra moxda.<br />
_ anu ganTavisuflebis mizezi<br />
TqvenTvis ucnobia?<br />
_ varaudiT cota uxerxulia,<br />
rame vTqva, Tumca arsebobs raRac<br />
versiebi.<br />
_ eWvis doneze SegiZliaT,<br />
gviTxraT, konkretulad, ras<br />
ukavSirdeba Tqveni ganTavisu-<br />
fleba?<br />
_ baton robert sturuas vuTxari,<br />
rom Tu sxva SemoTavazeba meqneboda,<br />
ra gamekeTebina? vkiTxe,<br />
SeiZleboda Tu ara, sxva TeatrSi<br />
meTamaSa, razedac Tanxmoba ganmicxada.<br />
bevr SemoTavazebaze iqamde<br />
uars vambobdi. ise daemTxva,<br />
rom „qeTo da kotes” premieris TamaSis<br />
meore dResve batoni roberti<br />
Teatridan gauSves. savaraudod,<br />
batoni roberti fiqrobda,<br />
rom mec uari unda meTqva speqtaklSi<br />
TamaSze. bevri dro mqonda<br />
imisTvis, rom mefiqra, ris gamo gamiSves<br />
Teatridan. reJisors Tavisuflad<br />
SeuZlia giTxras, rom aRar<br />
xar saintereso misTvis da gagiSvas,<br />
raSic ver Seedavebi, magram<br />
rodesac xedav, rom daukavebeli<br />
msaxiobebi hyavs TeatrSi, fiqrs<br />
iwyeb imaze, Tu ra „SemeSala” an<br />
„Sevcode”. miT umetes, es proeqti<br />
Teatrs ar exeboda, mxolod za-<br />
speqtaklSi TamaSobdnen paata burWulaZe,<br />
nani bregvaZe, nino ananiaSvili,<br />
sofo niJaraZe, eka kaxiani,<br />
nino qaTamaZe da ra vici, musikisa<br />
da dramis sxva msaxiobebi. me am<br />
miuziklis wamyvani-mTxrobeli viyavi.<br />
bolos ise aewyo, rom baton<br />
roberts speqtaklebSi aRar davukavebivar.<br />
madlobeli var daviT<br />
doiaSvilis, rom gavaxsendi da aseT<br />
araCveulebriv miuziklSi maTamaSa.<br />
madlieri viyavi batoni „mecenatis”<br />
da dRemde var, Tumca dRes<br />
is mecenati aRar aris, garkveuli<br />
periodi viRebdi mis daxmarebas,<br />
magram rogorc ki man politikaSi<br />
wasvla gadawyvita, uari vTqvi mis<br />
daxmarebaze da aRaraferi amiRia.<br />
SeiZleba, esec aris erT-erTi<br />
mizezi, ris gamoc Teatridan gamomiSves<br />
da ase nel-nela grovdeboda<br />
patar-patara mizezebi.<br />
_ daxmarebaze uari ratom<br />
TqviT?<br />
_ mecenatisgan aRebuli Tanxa<br />
sxva aris da politikosisgan _<br />
sxva. me ase mimaCnia, vin rogor<br />
fiqrobs, aravis ganvsji. dRevandeli<br />
gadasaxedidan mgonia, rom<br />
Zalian sworad moviqeci.<br />
_ anu kidev erTxel rom davazustod:<br />
Tqven yovelgvari das-<br />
abuTebisa da axsna-ganmartebis<br />
gareSe gamogiSves Teatridan?<br />
_ namdvilad.<br />
_ amis Sesaxeb direqciam<br />
gagagebinaT?<br />
_ direqciisgan sofelSi uwyeba<br />
Camomivida baton robert sturuas<br />
xelis moweriT.<br />
moRvawe adamianma raRac konkretuli<br />
Tanxa Seagrova da mec bankidan<br />
gamovitane vali, radgan es bina<br />
meyida mTawmindaze. yovelTviur<br />
procents, 450 lars vixdidi. rusTavelis<br />
Teatridan gaSvebis Semdeg<br />
da musikisa da dramis Teatr-<br />
Si darCenili 500 lariT, Tqven warmoidgineT,<br />
rogor vicxovre es<br />
erTi weliwadi.<br />
_ kompensancia ar gadauxdiaT?<br />
_ erTi Tvis kompesancia momces.<br />
_ amJamad mTawmindaze cx-<br />
ovrobT?<br />
_ am binis gayidvaSi Tamar iverma<br />
damarwmuna, rom ase cxovreba<br />
aRar SeiZleboda da did diRomSi<br />
mayidina patara nakveTi, sadac<br />
koteji unda Cavdga. bankis procenti<br />
ki 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi unda<br />
davfaro. agreTve kinologiur federaciaSi<br />
var gawevrianebuli da<br />
Zalian davinteresdi am sferoTi,<br />
SemoqmedebiTad mivudeqi. myavs Za-<br />
Rlebi da weliwadSi erTxel, roca<br />
maTi lekvebi daibadebian, es<br />
iqneba Cemi ZiriTadi Semosavali.<br />
dRevaneli gadasaxedidan rom<br />
vuyureb, Zalian kargi ram gaakeTa<br />
batonma robertma.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ es rom ar momxdariyo, isev ase<br />
viqnebodi.<br />
_ ase rogor?<br />
_ isev am binaSi. iq ki ufro kargi<br />
pirobebi meqneba, ori ZaRli<br />
myavs, mesame Camoviyvane mosamravleblad,<br />
Tavi rom virCino. asea<br />
cxovreba, vin rogor, riTac Sev-<br />
sturuasTan da kidev ufro gavizarde,<br />
dRes ki Cemi SemoqmedebiTi<br />
cxovreba ukavSirdeba daviT doia-<br />
Svils da bednieri var.<br />
_ ise saubrobT, rom TiTqos<br />
msaxiobobaze xeli CaiqnieT. asea?<br />
_ ara, ara saerTod ar Camiqnevia<br />
xeli. imeds vitoveb, rom doi<br />
momavalSic damakavebs axal speqtaklebSi.<br />
_ Tumca sxva Teatridan rom<br />
gqondeT SemoTavazeba, SezRudva<br />
ar geqnebaT, xom?<br />
_ SezRuduli ar viqnebi, ubralod,<br />
gaaCnia Teatrs, reJisorsa da<br />
msaxiobebs, visTan erTadac momiwevs<br />
muSaoba. Zalian momwons da<br />
mainteresebs reJisor daTa TavaZesTan<br />
muSaoba. daTa Cemi didi imedia<br />
axalgazrda TaobaSi, is qarTuli<br />
Teatris erT-erTi reformatori<br />
iqneba. danarCeni, yvelasTan<br />
bodiSs vixdi, magram iseT reJisorebTan<br />
maqvs naTamaSebi, TumaniSvilidan<br />
dawyebuli da doiaSviliT<br />
damTavrebuli, rom yvela re-<br />
JisorTan ver waval. imitom ki ara<br />
rom ar waval, ubralod, ver waval,<br />
radgan ar mainteresebs. SeiZleba<br />
damwyebTan wavide, magram is iyos<br />
eqsperimenti, Tumca yoveli axali<br />
speqtakli nebismier reJisorTan<br />
eqsperimentia.<br />
_ ra aris reJisor daTa TavaZ-<br />
eSi is, ramac Tqveni yuradReba<br />
miipyro?<br />
_ absoluturad yvelaferia<br />
masSi is, rac hqonda TumaniSvils,<br />
rac aqvs sturuas, doiaSvils, Temur<br />
CxeiZes, Wolas da a. S. amas<br />
TeatrSi var, sadac mafaseben da<br />
adamianad magdeben.<br />
_ am yvelafers ver grZnobdiT<br />
„rusTavelis TeatrSi”?<br />
_ rodesac „rusTvelis Teatr-<br />
Si” kargi periodi mqonda da yvela<br />
micinoda, Tqven ra ggoniaT, ar<br />
vicodi, vin, rogor da ra guliT<br />
iyo ganwyobili Cemdami? eg araferi.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom kargad<br />
vxedavT, Tu ra trialebs qveyana-<br />
Si. saerTod, saxelmwifoc aRar<br />
gvqvia, saSineleba xdeba. erTi kaci<br />
wyvets, buCqi sad dairgos. gaxarias<br />
gadadgomas rom iTxoven, Zalian<br />
mikvirs, radgan aq konkretuli<br />
ministri ki ara, is erTi kaci unda<br />
CamoSordes politikas. ixaros,<br />
gaixaros cxovrebiT, gadargas xeebi,<br />
datkbes Tavisi SesaZleblobebiT,<br />
magram politikas CamoSordes.<br />
gagvamaTxovra xalxi. sigarets gvi-<br />
Zvireben im motiviT, rom TiTqos<br />
Cvens janmrTelobaze zrunaven da<br />
maSin sakvebi produqti gaaiafon.<br />
SimSilisgan ixocebian bavSvebi da<br />
upatrono moxuci Taoba.<br />
_ ra molodini gaqvT?<br />
_ pozitiuri. yvelaferi ukeTesobisken<br />
Seicvleba, radgan sazogadoeba<br />
metad gaizarda da ganviTarda,<br />
meti moTxovna eqnebaT axlad<br />
arCeuli xelisuflebis mimarT,<br />
ris Semdegac, darwmunebuli var,<br />
saqarTvelo daibrunebs ruseTis<br />
mier aneqsirebul teritoriebs da<br />
gaxdeba evrokavSirisa da natos<br />
sruluflebiani wevri. me mjera<br />
Cveni axalgazrdobis.<br />
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