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skandalSi exveva
tiulad unda Catardes. Tqveni
azriT, arCevnebis gayalbebis
SemTxvevaSi ganmeordeba Tu ara
2003 wlis „vardebis revolucia”?
_ imedi maqvs, rom revolucia
ar iqneba. opozicias ar aqvs imis
adamianuri resursi, rom arCevnebis
Sedegebi mZlavrad gaaprotestos.
amasTan ar gamovricxav, rom
igive moxdes, rac 2012 wels.
minda gagaxsenoT biZina ivaniSvilis
erTi interviu, romelic
2012 wlis arCevnebamde cota xniT
adre gamoqveynda, „ocnebis” liderma
misTvis Cveuli gulaxdilobiT
ganacxada: „Cven viciT, rom am
arCevnebze ver gavimarjvebT. Cven
viqnebiT opozicia, Zlieri opozicia”.
iqve daamata, ar gamovricxav,
rom xmebis 40% aviRoTo.
am interviudan maleve teleeTeriT
cixis kadrebs aCveneben, rasac
saerTo-saxalxo protesti moyva.
arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT
adre „ocnebam” quCaSi 300.000-ze
meti adamiani gamoiyvana.
aman administraciuli resursis
Zalian didi nawilis paralizeba
gamoiwvia. regionebSi xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi TavCaqindrulebi
iyvnen, gareT ver gamodiodnen,
arada, maT unda uzrunveleyoT
arCevnebze „nacionalebisTvis”
sasurveli Sedegi.
ucxoeli eqspertebis SefasebiT,
cixis kadrebis gamoqveynebis
Semdeg „nacionalebisTvis” ganku-
Tvnili xmebis 20% „ocnebisken”
wavida. manamde Tu „ocnebas” 40%
uWerda mxars da „nacebs” _ 60%,
cixis kadrebis Semdeg xmebi piriqiT
gadanawilda.
Sedegad „ocneba” movida xelisuflebaSi.
isini amisTvis mzad
ar iyvnen da arc savaraudo ministrTa
kabineti hyavdaT gamzadebuli.
_ iqneb, es yvelaferi TamaSi
iyo?
_ geubnebiT, rom ar iyo TamaSi.
ivaniSvili ar gaxldaT xelisuflebaSi
mosasvlelad mzad. mzad
rom yofiliyo, imas ar ityoda,
rac arCevnebis mogebis Semdeg gamarTul
erT-erT pirvel preskonferenciaze
Tqva. aman ucxoelebi
gaaogna.
arCevnebis Semdeg gamarTul
preskonferenciaze, romelsac
dasavleTis wamyvani mediasaSualebebi
eswrebodnen, ivaniSvilma ganacxada,
rom „ocnebam” gaimarjva
da saakaSvili unda wavideso.
ucxoelma Jurnalistebma ivaniSvils
hkiTxes, saakaSvilis saprezidento
vadis amowurvamde erT
welze meti droa darCenili da
ratom unda wavideso?
`SemTxveviT ar mixsenebia kazinoebi, romelTa
mflobelebi axerxeben imas, rom parlamentma
maT regulaciebi ar dauwesos. Tan amas ise
akeTeben, rom amas arc giga bokeria
aprotestebs da arc - roman gociriZe~
ivaniSvilma amaze upasuxa, _
mere ra, Cven vaiZulebT, rom wavideso.
gadairivnen ucxolebi, _
ras niSnavs aiZulebT, aba, konstitucia
ratom ariso? amaze ivaniSvilma
upasuxa, _ Cven gavimarjveT
da unda wavideso.
ivaniSvils, rogorc qvelmoqmedsa
da Cvens gadamrCens, udides
pativs vcem, magram man isic ki ar
icoda, rom konstituciis mixedviT
saakaSvili Tanamdebobaze
kidev erTi weli da erTi Tve unda
yofiliyo. ratom ar icoda? imitom,
rom ver gaubedes Tqma. jer
erTi, masTan yvelas ar aqvs wvdoma
da meorec, eSiniaT. eSiniaT, rom
Tu etyvian, vaiTu, gabrazdes da
uTxras, ras meubnebiTo?! aseT
SemTxvevaSi damnaSave gamodis ara
konstitucia, aramed is adamiani.
SemTxveviT ar gavixsene 2012
wlis arCevnebi. ar gamovircxav,
rom arCevnebis win skandali agordes,
romelic xalxis darazmvas
gamoiwvevs. am etapze amis alba-
Toba Zalian mcirea. arada, „ocnebas”
bevri idiotoba aqvs Cadenili.
idiotobebi, rasac aqamde „ocneba”
akeTebda, aucileblad Semcirdeba.
viRac-viRacebma miiRes
mandatebi, rom frTxilad iyvnen
da ar dauSvan is, rac aqamde iyo.
xalxis darazmva imitomac ar
moxdeba, rom finansuri da bizneselitebi
ivaniSvilis mmarTvelobiT
kmayofilebi arian.
viciT, rom kazinoebis jamuri
Semosavali weliwadSi 13 miliardze
metia. bitkoinis warmoebaSi
saqarTvelo msoflioSi meore
adgilze gavida. is xalxi, vinc amis
ukan dgas, ratom daupirispirdeba
ivaniSvils? damisaxeleT mamuka
xazaraZis garda multimilioneri
qarTveli, romelic „ocnebisa” da
misi lideris winaaRmdeg gamovida.
me aseT sxvas ar vicnob.
_ arCevnebamde erTi welia
darCenili da aravin icis, ra
moxdeba.
_ ki batono. saqarTvelo im qveynad
rCeba, sadac arCevnebis bedi
`ivaniSvilisgan ramdenime adamians aqvs mandati,
rom ivaniSvilis nacvlad gadawyvetileba
miiRos. patronymuri sistema xelisuflebas
Zalian azianebs. amitomac gvaqvs Cavardna yvela
sferoSi. aseT viTarebaSi winsvla verc iqneba,
radganac Tanamdebobaze myofi adamianebi
mxolod erT rameze fiqroben - iseTi rame
Tqvan, rac biZina ivaniSvils moewoneba.
amomrCevlis azri maT ar ainteresebT~
SeiZleba arCevnebamde erTi TviT
an ori kviriT adre momxdarma ambavma
gadawyvitos, amitom axla
makroanalizis gakeTeba mxolod
„Tu”-ebiT SeiZleba.
Tu „ocneba” idiotobebs ar
Caidens, mas arCevnebis mogebis realuri
Sansebi aqvs. politikuri
veli srulad mowmendilia. ubralo
umravlesobis aReba namdvilad
SeuZliaT. dRes patronymuri mmarTvelobis
alternativa mxolod
kleptokratiuli avtokratiaa.
totalitaruli reJimi saqar-
TveloSi ukve iyo da viciT, es
rasac niSnavs. ar dagvaviwydes bizneselitis
loialuri damokidebuleba
xelisuflebasTan. SemTxveviT
ar mixsenebia kazinoebi, romelTa
mflobelebi axerxeben imas,
rom parlamentma maT regulaciebi
ar dauwesos. Tan amas ise akeTeben,
rom amas arc giga bokeria
aprotestebs da arc _ roman gociriZe.
_ es gasakviri araa, kazinoebis
erT-erTi yvelaze msxvili qselis
mepatrone im partiasTan Zalian
axlos iyo, romlis pirmSoebic
bokeria da gociriZe arian. am
adamians aqvs unari, yvela xe-
lisuflebas moergos.
_ am adamianebs aseTi unari namdvilad
aqvT. erT ambavs gavixseneb:
kontr da bizneselitebma,
bobolebma saakaSvilTan jer kidev
maSin moawyves faruli Sexvedra,
roca is SevardnaZis mTavrobaSi
iusticiis ministri iyo. es yvelaferi
awgardaclilma ramaz
klimiaSvilma moyva erT-erT interviuSi.
interviu, Tu ar vcdebi,
2008 wlis maisSi gamoqveynda.
ramazi detalurad yveboda, Tu
ra xdeboda am Sexvedraze. miuxedavad
imisa, rom es xalxi SevardnaZis
korumpirebuli reJimis wyalobiT
Soulobda fuls, es
sistema yelSi hqondaT amosuli da
misi Secvla surdaT.
rogorc giTxariT, miSa maSin
iusticiis ministri iyo. mas pirdapir
hkiTxes, _ gaqaCavo? Tu gaqa-
Cav Tavidan bolomde gverdiT
dagidgebiTo. es Sexvedra didi
sufriT dagvirgvinda. ramaz klimiaSvili
rogorc ixsenebda, sufris
Tamada parlamentis yofili wevri
eldar kvernaZe iyo.
gavixseneb im ambavsac, romelic
zviad gamsaxurdias mmarTvelobis
dros moxda. yvelas gvaxsovs, Tu
rogor mivida televiziasTan kitovani.
iq Cemi ramdenime megobaric
mivida da mivuvardi, raTa protesti
gamomexata.
televiziasTan aseTi suraTi
damxvda: Jurnalistebi sxedan
kibeebze, televizis win erTmane-
Tis miyolebiT ramdenime Savi
volga gaCerda, saidanac gadmodian
sxvanair pijakebSi Cacmuli Ripiani
mamakacebi.
isini kitovanTan mividnen da
saubari dauwyes. erTma kitovans
uTxra, _ „bawia” (ase eZaxian kitovans
axloblebi), am patiosan xalxs
xom sWirdeba premia da xelfasebi,
amazec xom unda vizrunoTo. mas
mxedvelobaSi hyavda kibeebze
Camomsxdari Jurnalistebi.
iqidan kitovani Tbilisis zRvaze
wavida. iq Cemi megobrebic
iyvnen. vekiTxebodi, _ saWmeli xom
gindaT, riT arsebobT-meTqi?
miTxra, _ macivari gavsebuli gvaqvs
da yoveldRe mogvdis produqtebio.
vin akeTebda amas? Zalian male
gavige. amaze maSin movkari yuri
saubars, roca ukve parlamentis
wevri viyavi. parlamentSi parlamentis
wevrebi ase msjelobdnen, _
rac saWiro iyo, „gvirabmSenma” dado,
romeliRac kombinatma dado,
Tqven amxela sawarmo iyaviT da
araferi dadeT.
es is xalxi iyo, romelic gamsaxurdias,
jer kidev, manamde emsaxureboda,
sanam is da „mrgvali
magida” xelisuflebis saTaveSi
movidoda.
rogorc Cans, maSin ukve gakeTebuli
iyo fsoni, rom 1990 wlis
arCevnebs is moigebda. isini Tavidanve
Seecadnen, masTan urTier-
Toba aewyoT.
xolo roca samtrediasTan
rkinigza gadaiketa, es xalxi aqe-
Ta mxares gadmoxta da kitovanis
dafinanseba daiwyo.
dRes biznes da kontrelita
kmayofilia da is xelisuflebis
Secvlis mizniT aravis daafinansebs.
es Zalian mniSvnelovani
faqtoria.
kidev erT ambavs gavixseneb, es
ukve saakaSvilis xelisuflebaSi
yofnis dros moxda: mTavrobis me-
Tauri Jvania iyo. maSin mTavrobis
sxdomebs veswrebodi xolme. es is
periodia, yoveldRe rom viRacebs
iWeren. es daWerebi pirdapiri eTeriT
gadaicemoda.
mTavrobis daxurul sxdomaze
erT-erTma ministrma premiers
uTxra, _ batono zurab, esa da es
korumpirebuli Cinosnebi rom
daakaveT, Zalian kargia, magram
kidev ufro korumpirebulebs ratom
ar iWerTo? man gvarebic
CamoTvala da daamata, rom eseni
ufro dasaWerebi arian, vidre isini,
vinc daiWireTo. is ministri
wuxda, rom arc ki iyo saubari
imaze, rom maT daiWerdnen. amaze
Jvaniam Cveuli xmiT upasuxa, _ Cemo
kargo, srul garantias mogcem,
rom vinc Sen CamoTvale da kidev
viRac-viRacebs aravin arasdros
daiWerso.
_ maT vinaobas ar gvetyviT?
_ vinaobas ar getyviT, mxolod
imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom es adamianebi
im sufras eswrebodnen, romlis
Sesaxebac zemoT giambeT.
_ am CamonaTvalSi Tu iyo vano
CxartiSvili? mis daWeras yvela
xelisufleba erideba.
_ Tqveni kiTxva logikuria, magram
gvarebs ar davasaxeleb, iseve
rogorc ar axseneT Tqven im kazinos
mepatronis gvari, romelic
yvela xelisuflebasTan axerxebs
saerTo enis gamonaxvas.
_ misi gvaris dasaxeleba ra
problemaa, es kaci Temur ugula-
vaa.
_ diax, Temur ugulava jer
kidev zviadis dros iyo kazinos
mepatrone. yvela xelisuflebas-
Tan ki hqonda kargi urTierToba,
magram ar dagvaviwydes, misi damsaxurebaa,
Tavis droze, ivaniSvilma
janyaraSvilisa da TamazaSvilis
klani rom Zalian CaaCoCa.
_ im ambavze saubrobT, es klani
ugulavas fuls rom sTxovda, man
es saubari Caiwera da ivaniSvils
Tavisi megobris, nikuSa Sengela-
ias xeliT gaugzavna?
_ diax, diax. es adamiani xelisuflebasTan
karg damokidebuleba-
Si ki iyo, magram roca aseTi rame
dainaxa, sadac saWiro iyo, iq Tqva.
_ am adamians yovelTvis SeeZ-
lo damdgariyo iq, sadac saWiro
iyo. mas „mxedrionTanac” SeeZlo,
saWiro sityva eTqva.
_ es ase iyo. Temur ugulavas
garda kidev bevri iqceva ase da ar
gegonoT, rom es mxolod saqarTvelos
nouhaua. aseTi rameebi iseT
qveynebSic xdeba, sadac kanonis
uzenaesoba ar aris.
aseT qveynebSi biznesmenebs mxolod
erT SemTxvevaSi SeuZliaT
gadarCnen _ droulad daamyaron
saWiro urTierToba xelisuflebaSi
myof pirebTan. venesuelaSi
Cvenze bevrad uaresi mdgomareobaa.
30 wlis win italiaSic daaxloebiT
igive xdeboda, rac axla
saqarTveloSi xdeba.
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