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patriarqzec arsebobs~
is SfoTs gamoiwvevso. am dReeb-
Si bevri saSineleba gavigeT sap-
atriarqoze, magram amas didi
SfoTi ar gamouwvevia. xalxi
raRac Zalian mSvidad Sexvda am
yvelafers.
_ sazogadoebis simSvidem mar-
Tlac molodins gadaaWarba.
rogorc vxedavT, Wirma Tavi ar
damala. am skandalebis pirveli
dRe iyo mxolod emociuri.
meore mxriv, sazogadoeba acnobierebs,
rom SeuZlebelia institucia,
romelic sakuTar Tavs
Seucdomlad warmogvidgens, ar
iyos daavadebuli.
is korozireba, rac iq mimdinareobs,
ukve yvelasTvis Tval-
Si sacemia: dawyebuli finansuri
manipulaciebiT, damTavrebuli
zneobrivi gadacdomebiT. aRarafers
vambob damaxinjebul swavlebaze,
razedac sapatriarqo tira-
Jirebs.
TiToeulma moqalaqem sakuTar
Tavze iwvnia, Tu ra tipis kastaa
saqarTvelos sapatriarqo, romelic
mkacri Caketilobisa da dominanti
moieriSis pozaSi dgas. es
instituti mudmivad acxadebs,
rom Secdoma arasdros dauSvia da
Tu rame problemaa, es inspirirebulia
garedan.
mtris xatis arsebobiT arajansaRi
poziciis deklaracias cdilobs
saqarTvelos sapatriarqos
samdivno.
es imdenad gaSifrulia da
TvalnaTelia, aravin daobs, rom
iq Zalian seriozuli darRvevebia.
neitraluri sazogadoebac acnobierebs
sapatriarqos Rrma kriziss.
xalxze aRar muSaobs kremlis
narativi, rom sapatriarqos globalistebi,
liberalebi da masonebi
ebrZvian. es yavlgasulia. cixe
Signidan gatyda.
_ am ambebis Semdeg iq situa-
cia Tu Seicvleba?
_ kaTolikos-patriarq ilia
meoris sicocxlis pirobebSi me
Zireul gardaqmnebs gamovricxav.
_ ratom gamoricxavT?
_ am reJimis Semqmneli es
pirovneba gaxlavT. is absolutia,
erTmmarTvelia. ramdenime meufem
ganacxada, rom Turme patriarqi
konstituciurad yofila Seuvali,
kanonze maRla dgas da mas
icavs imuniteti. es cinizmia.
isini yvela mavneblobas am
formiT amarTleben. patriarqi,
rogorc primati ucdomelobisa
da Seuvalobisa, did tvirTad
daawva saqarTvelos eklesiis
Rirsebas, aqedan gamomdinare,
vvaraudob, rom xiblSi myofi sazogadoeba,
maT Soris, Cveni episkopati,
romelsac piradi interesebi
amoZravebs, zneobis sasargeblod
arCevans ver gaakeTebs.
maRali ierarqiis sasuliero
pirebi Tavad arian monawile da
Semoqmedi im umarTebulo sistemisa,
romelzedac Cven axla kritikulad
vsaubrobT. Tu isini
moindomeben situaciis gajansaRebas,
gansasjelis skamze Tavad
unda aRmoCndnen.
nuravis gaukvirdeba, rom arc
erT mRvdelmTavars ar aRmoaCnda
gambedaoba, isaubros mocemulobaze.
arajansaRi atmosferos
aqtorebi da figurantebi Tavad
arian. Cemi azriT, Zalian normaluria,
rom isini simarTlis,
siwmindisa da Rirsebis sadarajoze
ar dganan.
_ ambobT, rom patriarqia mTavari.
aris versiebi, rom is mox-
ucda da karga xania, situacias
veRar akontrolebs. am versiaze
ras fiqrobT?
_ xSirad iyeneben Sorena TeTruaSvils,
meufe dimitri SiolaSvilsa
da garemocvas farad patriarqis
dasacavad, Tumca es
alogikuria, radganac sxvadasxva
N35 (296) 12.11-18.11.2019 w.
`meufe Sio, mogexsenebaT, levan vasaZesTan daaxloebuli piri da misi
megobaria. Sesabamisad, es aris erTi orkestri, romelic ruseTis
interesebis sasargeblod muSaobs~
dros, Tundac maSin, roca patriarqi
axalgazrda da energiuli
iyo, oponentebs daundoblad uswordeboda.
yvela is mRvdelmTavari, romelic
mamaTmavlobaze saubrobda
an ganayena, an sxvadasxva braldebiT
cixeSi Caasmevina.
Sesabamisad, ver vityvi, rom is
sapatriarqos marTvaSi ar monawileobs.
mTlad paralizebulic
rom iyos, misi xasiaTidan gamomdinare,
Tavad iqneba procesebis
mTavari monawile.
_ gasul kviras mama Salva
kekeliam „tv palitris” eTerSi
saocari rameebi ilaparaka. man
`nika laliaSvilis moxsenebebi natos
diskreditaciisken iyo mimarTuli. ambobda,
rom nato aris cru proeqti da mis mimarT
sazogadoebaSi maqsimalurad uaryofiTi
warmodgenebi unda davTesoT. es CemTvis,
garkveulwilad, wyalgamyofi aRmoCnda,
radgan vxedavdi ara argumentebiT gajerebul
kerZo azrs, aramed mizanswrafvas, qarTuli
sazogadoebis TvalSi nato gaSavebuliyo. es
iyo marTuli procesi da isini cdilobdnen,
yvelaze moexdinaT zegavlena. rusuli elferi
aqedan momdinareobda~
Tqva, rom „nacionalebs
nacionalebs” moZRvr-
ebi sazRvargareT mihyavdaT,
mere iq eubnebodnen, gaerTeTo,
amas firebze iRebdnen da es
firebi SeiZleba, gamoqveyndeso.
_ is cdilobs, viTomda gare
Zalebze gaakeTos aqcenti, magram
sakuTari sibriyviT ver sazRvravs,
rom SeuZlebelia, adamianebs
daaZalo garToba, seqsualuri
kavSiri, Tuki is amaze Tanaxma ar
aris. rogor SeiZleba, sasuliero
piris Cawera imaze did danaSaulad
miviCnioT, vidre sasuliero
piris mxridan Cadenili umZimesi
codva? es, daaxloebiT, imas hgavs,
wamebis amsaxvel kadrebze Camweri
rom ufro metad gaamtyuno, vidre
mwamebeli. Salva kekelia im-
TaviTve groteskulia. misi gancxadebebi
araseriozulia. Tavidanve
minda giTxraT, rom es sapatriarqosTvis
kontrproduqtiuli
iqneba, romelic spikerad dekanoz
Salva kekelias gvigzavnis xolme.
mas araviTari ufleba ar aqvs,
ase kadnierad saubrobdes sxvadasxva
sasuliero pirze, saxelmwifoebriv
da socialur Tematikaze.
is ar warmoadgens aranair
avtoritets. Sesabamisad, did
dros ver davuTmob aseT pirovnebaze
saubars.
_ am firebze ratom daiwyes
laparaki? marTla vinme apirebs
maT gamoqveynebas, Tu, yovel
SemTxvevaSi, Tavi daizRvies?
_ aravin apirebs am kuTxiT sasuliero
pirebis daSantaJebas. es
Tavis dazRveva da samarcxvino
gancxadebaa.
praqtikulad, am gancxadebiT
maT gaTqves sakuTari Tavi, rom
marTlac arsebobs aseTi gadacdomebi.
Salva kekelias saubridan gamomdinare
mtkicdeba, rom aseTi
Canawerebi arsebobs rogorc dabali,
aseve maRali ierarqiis sasuliero
pirebze.
vinme gamoaqveynebs Tu ara am
firebs, ver getyviT, me sxvaze ver
vageb pasuxs, piradad ar maqvs
raime damamtkicebeli masala, mxolod
analizis gakeTeba SemiZlia.
aseve maqvs piradi gamocdileba,
romelic maTTan urTierTobisas
miviRe. raRacebi Cemi
megobrebisgan vici, romelTagan
zogma raRac dainaxa, zogma raRac
SeniSna da a. S.
piradad me arc msxverpli vyofilvar
da arc arajansaRi urTierToba
mqonia romelime sasuliero
pirTan. Rirseuli adamianis
monaTxrobidan Camoyalibda Cemi
mosazrebebi. aseTi tipis Canawerebi
bunebaSi rom arsebobs, amis
Sesaxeb CemTvisac cnobilia.
rogorc amboben, es Canawerebi
maRal ierarqebzec aris.
ar vici, ra tipis Canawerebia,
magram, rogorc amboben, faruli
Canawerebi saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqzec
arsebobs.
wyaros ver dagisaxelebT.
_ isev im jgufs davubrundeT,
romelic eklesiis „gadarCenas”
cdilobda. Tqven erT-erT medi-
asTan ganacxadeT, rom Tavidan
maT meufe dimitris gaSavebac
surdaT. ratom gadaifiqres amis
gakeTeba?
_ meufe dimitri da patriarqis
dacvis yofili ufrosi soso
oxanaSvili erT Zalas ganekuTvnebodnen,
Tundac ojaxuri aspeqtidan
gamomdinare. meufe iakobma
da Sorena TeTruaSvilma am
ojaxis diskreditacia moindomes,
rasac patriarqis dacvis motiviT
akeTebdnen.
saWiro gaxda meufe dimitris
ganeitraleba da Sesusteba.
jgufis wevrebi (maT Soris, nana
kakabaZe) dananebiT ambobdnen, rom
maT amis gakeTeba uwevT. nana kakabaZe
meufe dimitris, rogorc
Wabukas, ise ixseniebda.
_ ase ratom ixseniebda?
_ meufe dimitris eriskacoba-
Si Wabuka erqva. is ambobda, WabukasTan
kargi urTierToba maqvs,
magram is saerTo saqmes azianebs
da amitom ase unda moviqceTo.
_ „ase ase moqcevaSi” ras gulisx-
mobda?
_ viTom iZulebuli iyo, mis-
Tvis Seetia. amasTanave ambobda,
rom rakiRa dimitric SiolaSvilia,
masTan mimarTebiT frTxilad
unda viyoT, delikaturad moviqceT
da patriarqs nu vawyeninebTo.
giorgi andriaZe imasac gveubneboda,
gamovaZvrinoT dimitri am
saqmidan da meufe petresa da
saakaSvils SevtenoTo.
unda gveTqva, rom isini mokav-
Sireebi arian da am procesebis
ukan dganan; rom maT destabilizacia
da procesebis eskalacia
surT. unda gvemtkicebina, rom
maT saqarTveloSi revoluciuri
scenaris ganviTareba surdaT.
es iyo CemTvis gadamwyveti, miuxedavad
imisa, rom mixeil saakaSvilis
mimarT antagonisturi ganwyoba
maqvs. misTvis aseTi ramis
dabraleba CemTvis dautevneli
iyo. vxvdebodi, rom viRacis xel-
Si Zalian saSiSi iaraRi gavxdebodi.
madloba RmerTs, am marwuxebisgan
Tavi davixseni.
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