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Terapiuli daniSnuleba. xelovneba<br />

xom aucilebelia adamianis cxovrebis<br />

srulyofisTvis.<br />

kiTxvaze, Tu rogor uyurebs<br />

Tavisuflebis cnebas, ambobs, rom<br />

Tavisufleba unda modiodes<br />

Signidan, unda iyo kompleqsebis<br />

gareSe da ar mibaZo sxvas. SeiZleba,<br />

viRacis gavlena gqones, magram<br />

sakuTari me unda daitovo:<br />

„ramdenime welia vakvirdebi da<br />

mivxvdi, rom sxvebisgan ganvsxvavdebi<br />

imiT, rom var ufro metad<br />

Tavisufali, ar maqvs socialuri<br />

Tu sxva saxis kompleqsebi da rom<br />

xelovneba Zalian did Tavisuflebas<br />

aZlevs adamians. aZlevs saku-<br />

Tari Tavis gamoxatvis unars”.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom am Tavisufali<br />

axalgazrdis cxovrebaSi<br />

jer namdvili da sruli siyvaruli<br />

ar mosula, mas mainc sjera<br />

misi, ambobs, rom cxovrebis srulyofisTvis<br />

swored es grZnobaa<br />

aucilebeli da roca mas daeufleba,<br />

ukve sakuTar Tavsac bolomde<br />

ipovis.<br />

„qronika+~-ma Tea Sengelaia-<br />

sTan blicinterviuc Cawera:<br />

namdvili Tea aris _ uSualo<br />

adamiani, romelic yovelTvis<br />

eZebs pasuxebs kiTxvebze da mudmivad<br />

eZebs sakuTar Tavs. mas ar<br />

uyvars saqmis gadadeba.<br />

rom ara Tea, vqnebodi _ supergmiri,<br />

Wonder Women (qali saocreba).<br />

araferi menaneba _ sakuTari dis-<br />

Tvis da im sayvareli adamianisTvis,<br />

romelic jer ar gamoCenila.<br />

vnanob _ ukan arasdros vixev da<br />

amitomac arafers vnanob.<br />

grZnoba, romelic ar unda gax-<br />

undes, aris _ faseuli megobroba<br />

da es Taobebs unda gadayves!<br />

fraza, romelsac xSirad viy-<br />

eneb _ Do what u love, love what you do!<br />

Don’t estimate yourself!<br />

mizani, romelsac ukve mivaRwie<br />

_ Cemi da Cemi dis mizani bavSvobidan<br />

iyo is, rom gvemRera da musikas<br />

gavyolodiT. jer kidev bevri<br />

daxvewa da muSaoba sWirdeba amas,<br />

rom ufro met adamianSi CavdoT<br />

siyvaruli.<br />

Sansi rom mqondes, davibadebo-<br />

di _ 1960 wels londonSi. swored<br />

am dros ibadeboda da yalibdeboda<br />

yvelaze saintereso musikaluri<br />

kultura, romelmac Cemze<br />

didi gavlena moaxdina. saerTod ki<br />

inglisi CemTvis Zalian did da<br />

saintereso musikasTan asocirdeba.<br />

yvelaze giJuri, rac gamikeTe-<br />

bia, aris _ bevri ram, magram axla<br />

erTi maxsendeba: 17 wlis viyavi,<br />

SeyvarebulTan viCxube, maSin mar-<br />

Tvis mowmoba ar mqonda, Tumca<br />

amas xeli ar SeuSlia, rom mamaCemis<br />

manqana daukiTxavad wameyvana<br />

da Cemi Seyvarebulis saxlSi<br />

mivsuliyavi. axla Zalian sasacilod<br />

maxsendeba.<br />

spontanuri var? _ yvela saqmesa<br />

Tu urTierTobaSi profesiulis<br />

garda. iq sworad dagegmili da<br />

gansazRvruli maqvs yvelaferi.<br />

danarCen urTierTobebsa da mdgomareobaSi<br />

spontanuroba Zalian<br />

saxaliso da dasamaxsovrebelia.<br />

Cemi momavlis gegma aris _ gamovuSvaT<br />

axali videoklipi. manamde<br />

albomi gamovuSviT da axlac<br />

imaves vgegmavT, Tumca aq ufro<br />

treki Seva. ar gvyavs menejeri. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom Cveni koncepti<br />

Zalian sainteresoa, varT<br />

tyupebi, gvaqvs duo bendi, TviTon<br />

vqmniT musikas da a. S., menejerebisTvis<br />

ufro mniSvnelovani biznesis<br />

keTebaa, am mimarTulebiT<br />

vmuSaobT. viciT, rom Zalian bevrma<br />

xelovanma sakuTari qveynidan<br />

gaiTqva saxeli msoflioSi da ratom<br />

ar SeiZleba, rom gogonebma<br />

saqarTvelodan moaxerxon igive?!<br />

vfiqrob, rom es savsebiT SesaZlebelia<br />

da amaze unda vimuSaoT.<br />

minda, sazogadoebas vuTxra _<br />

mTavaraia, erTmaneTi gviyvardes,<br />

urTerTgageba da pativiscema ar<br />

movakloT erTmaneTs, ufro metad<br />

motivirebulebi viyoT da ar gveSinodes<br />

nabijis gadadgmis, ufro<br />

Tavisuflebi, ukompleqsoebi, metad<br />

laRebi da uSualoebi viyoT<br />

da yvelaferi Zalian kargad iqneba!<br />

Tea dResac dauRalavad muSaobs<br />

Tavisi miznebis srulyofisTvis.<br />

muSaobs kvlevebzec da musikazec.<br />

ar nebdeba da Tavs modunebis<br />

saSualebas ar aZlevs. albaT,<br />

aman ganapiroba is, rom maTi<br />

Semoqmedebis gacnobis Semdeg maT<br />

musikebs yoveldRe vusmen da ar<br />

mbezrdeba!<br />

me-13 gverdidan<br />

- saWiroa am situaciisTvis mzad viyoT<br />

im TvalsazrisiT, rom amas maqsimalurad<br />

winaaRmdegoba gavuwioT Cvens partniorebTan<br />

urTierTobiT.<br />

_ mTavrobaSi Tu xedavT msgavsi mzady-<br />

ofnis niSnebs?<br />

_ ver vityvi, rom es mzadyofna mkveTrad<br />

Cans. ubralod, imeds vitoveb da minda, rom<br />

aseTi mzadyofna iyos.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, obieqturobisTvis minda<br />

giTxraT, _ magaliTisTvis, 2008 wlis mais-<br />

Si mixeil saakaSvilma Tavisive mTavrobis<br />

wevrebs rogor Tavze daamxo yvelaferi,<br />

romlebic mas afxazeTze Setevas urCevdnen.<br />

maSin xom afxazeTi iyo Setevis mTavari<br />

sagani da ara cxinvalis regioni. man Tavze<br />

daamxo zustad im argumentebiT, razedac<br />

axla gesaubrebiT, rom amas SeiZleboda savalalo<br />

Sedegebi moetana. es yvelaferi 2008<br />

wlis maisSi xdeboda.<br />

samwuxarod, mere misi midgomebi Seicvala,<br />

rodesac darwmunebuli viyavi 2008 wlis<br />

maisis Semdgom TveebSi, rom saakaSvilis<br />

xelisufleba am moufiqrebel nabijs ar<br />

gadadgamda. iciT am procesis mimarT Cemi<br />

damokidebuleba, arasodes miTqvams, rom<br />

saqarTvelom daiwyo omi. me vambob, rom<br />

saakaSvilis mTavrobam konkretuli brZola<br />

daiwyo, xolo omi ruseTma daiwyo. man<br />

konkretuli brZola daiwyo, ramac sababi<br />

misca rusebs im qmedebebisTvis, rac Semdeg<br />

moxda. saerTod, mimaCnia, saakaSvilma icoda<br />

ra, rom xafangi dauges, mainc gayo Tavi<br />

am xafangSi.<br />

paraleli ratom gavavle: maSinac ar megona,<br />

rom xelisufleba aseT gauazrebel<br />

nabijze wavidoda. axlac imeds vitoveb, rom<br />

xelisufleba momzadebulia aseTi gziT<br />

movlenebis SesaZlo ganviTarebisTvis. ar<br />

maqvs xelisuflebasTan pirdapiri urTier-<br />

Toba da, aqedan gamomdinare, ver getyviT,<br />

saboloo jamSi, mzad aris Tu ara. imeds vitoveb,<br />

rom aris.<br />

_ mixeil saakaSvilis bolo xmaurian<br />

gancxadebebs rogor SeafasebT? qarTuli<br />

sabanko seqtori miwasTan gaaswora da a. S.<br />

_ Tu sabanko seqtorTan dakavSirebiT es<br />

yvelaferi realobasTan axlosaa, am seqtoris<br />

transformacia rbilad unda moxdes,<br />

raTa qveyanaSi arsebuli erT-erTi Zlieri<br />

instituti Tavze ar dagvemxos. am SemTxvevaSi<br />

CemTvis es midgoma savsebiT misaRe-<br />

N12 (233) 17.04-23.04.2018 w.<br />

mamuka areSiZe: `omi ara mxolod<br />

islamuri fundamentalizmis<br />

winaaRmdeg, aramed<br />

energomatareblebis derefnebis<br />

gamoc mimdinareobs~<br />

bia. sabanko seqtorSi yvelaferi ise rom ar<br />

aris, rogorc es Cvens qveyanas Seefereba,<br />

esec faqtia. TavisTavad, Zalian Zlieri da<br />

mniSvnelovani, gamarTuli institutia, magram<br />

es, xSir SemTxvevaSi, aris ara saxelmwifosTvis,<br />

aramed sakuTari TavisTvis.<br />

Tumca amave saxelmwifos savizito baraTad<br />

gamodgeba, _ investorebi imitom Semodian,<br />

rom ician, sabanko seqtori Ronieri<br />

da sandoa.<br />

meore mxriv, es sabanko seqtori ver<br />

uzrunvelyofs saqarTveloSi socialuri<br />

fonis gaumjobesebas. amitom am Zvrebs,<br />

romelic SeiZleba mTavrobamac gadadgas,<br />

mivesalmebi. oRond es Zvrebi orientirebuli<br />

ar unda iyos sabanko seqtoris Sesustebasa<br />

da dangrevaze. sworad orientirebaze,<br />

ki batono.<br />

_ rac Seexeba saakaSvilis gancxadebas<br />

welsve xelisuflebis mTlianad Secvlasa<br />

da qveyanaSi mis dabrunebaze?<br />

_ es ambavi realurad ar gamoiyureba,<br />

rac misi gundis wevrebmac Zalian kargad<br />

ician. saprezidento arCevnebSi gamarjvebis<br />

Sansi „nacmoZraobis” warmomadgenels,<br />

praqtikulad, ar gaaCnia.<br />

rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania, maRali<br />

albaTobiT darwmunebuli var, rom mixeil<br />

saakaSvili saprezidento arCevnebze ar Camova.<br />

iseT situaciaSi, rodesac mas Sansi ar<br />

aqvs, rom saTanado formaSi iyos, Tavs arasodes<br />

Caigdebs. formaSi imas vgulisxmob,<br />

rom mas xelebi nawilobriv mainc Tavisufali<br />

unda hqondes. saqarTveloSi Camosvlis<br />

SemTxvevaSi (sadac is Ziebis obieqtia),<br />

icis, rom sazRvarzeve daiWeren. da sazRvarze<br />

daWerili saakaSvili ukve ar aris is<br />

kaci, romelsac SeeZleba situacia marTos<br />

da is funqcia Seasrulos, romelic saku-<br />

Tar Tavs mianiWa.<br />

aseve icis, rom qarTuli sazogadoebis<br />

didi nawilisTvis is miuRebelia.<br />

_ mmarTvel koaliciaSi garkveuli dapirispirebebia,<br />

saiT midis „qarTuli oc-<br />

nebis” SigniT procesebi?<br />

_ miuxedavad imisa, rom parlamentSi<br />

„ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi am situacias<br />

fuTaven, sinamdvileSi Subi xalTaSi ar<br />

daimaleba. jer erTi, bevrni arian da meorec<br />

_ yvelas Zalian uyvars laparaki da<br />

iqidan ambavi gamodis. kargad Cans, rom seriozuli<br />

dapirispirebaa Zvelebsa da axlebs<br />

Soris da am dapirispirebas Zalian<br />

cudi Sedegi moaqvs. mimaCnia, rom biZina<br />

ivaniSvili droze unda Caerios am situaciaSi<br />

da Tan Zalian mkveTrad unda Caerios.<br />

amiT yvelas Tavisi adgili unda miuCinos.<br />

aRaraa saWiro saubari, rom biZina<br />

ivaniSvili situaciis marTvaSi ar monawileobda,<br />

radgan „ocnebis” nebismieri politikuri<br />

figura masTan aris afilirebuli.<br />

amitom vfiqrob, rom ivaniSvili TviTon<br />

unda Caebas saprezidento maraTonSi. da,<br />

saerTod, am ambavs unda miexedos, radgan<br />

es kontproduqtiuli situaciaa. dRes geopolitikuri<br />

viTarebac uaRresad mwvavea da<br />

am dros Cveni saparlamento deputaciis<br />

warmomadgenlebi erTmaneTTan qiSpoben.<br />

_ Tqven icnobT ivaniSvils, ramdenad<br />

realuria formalur ZalauflebaSi misi<br />

dabruneba?<br />

_ vicnob-meTqi cota rTuli saTqmelia,<br />

radgan 2014 wlis Semdeg ivaniSvili saer-<br />

Tod ar minaxavs. amitom es pirobiTi cnebaa,<br />

SeiZleba misi midgomebi Seicvala, magram<br />

imaze vsaubrob, Tu ra sWirdeba mdgomareobis<br />

gajansaRebas. biZina ivaniSvilis mosvliT<br />

bevrad ufro gaZlierdeba saxelisuflebo<br />

vertikali, radgan xSir SemTxvevaSi<br />

vxedavT, rom Cinovnikebs gadawyvetilebis<br />

miReba uWirT. nawils gadawyvetilebis miReba<br />

saerTod ar unda, magram aris nawili,<br />

romelsac uWirs. es imitom xdeba, rom dRevandeli<br />

xelisufleba garkveuli jgufebisgan<br />

Sedgeba. da Tu xelisufleba monoliTuri,<br />

qveynis saWiroebebze orientirebuli<br />

ar iqneba, maSin saqme ar gamova.<br />

xelisuflebis monoliTad qceva SeuZlia<br />

erT adamians da es aris biZina ivaniSvili.<br />

esec im SemTxvevaSi, Tu is xelisuflebaSi<br />

iqneba.<br />

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