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`ivaniSvils araferi uSvelis,
Sorena marsagiSvili
marTalia, erT gundSi didxans
599 92 16 22
ar mouwiaT yofna, magram murman
dumbaZem sakmaod kargad Seiswav-
la biZina ivaniSvilis buneba. mas arasdros daujerebia, rom
„qarTuli ocnebis” damfuZnebeli politikidan wavida. mmarTv-
el partiaSi dRemde misi aCrdili rom dadis, amaSi dumbaZe
premierad RaribaSvilis wardgenam daarwmuna. murman dumba-
Ze RaribaSvilsac kargad icnobs da darwmunebulia, rom
ivaniSvilma is sagangebo misiis Sesasruleblad gamoiyvana.
ratom SearCia ivaniSvili premierad?
rogori scenariT ganvi-
Tardeba movlenebi? rodemde
SeZlebs opozicia erTad dgo-
mas? _ amis Sesaxeb opoziciis
erT-erTi lideri, murman dumb-
aZe, „qronika+”-s esaubreba:
_ gasul kviras „qarTulma
ocnebam” premieris postze irak-
li RaribaSvilis kandidatura
daasaxela. es yvelasTvis mou-
lodneli iyo. mmarTvel partia-
Si ki amtkiceben, Cven gadavwyviteTo,
magram aris safuZvliani
eWvi, rom arCevani ivaniS-
vilma gaakeTa. Tqveni versia
rogoria?
_ es gadawyvetileba piradad
biZina ivaniSvilma miiRo. mis garda
RaribaSvils premierad aravin
waradgenda. amiT man Tavis partiasac
da saqarTvelos mosaxleobasac,
romlis umravlesobac
misi winaaRmdegia, uTxra, rom
politikidan arsad wasula. aseve
man Zala gvaCvena da Tqva, roca
minda, gavagdeb adamians xelisuflebidan
da roca minda, davabrunebo.
axla maxsendeba 2015
wlis 23 dekemberi, dRe, rodesac
ivaniSvilma RaribaSvili premierobidan
gaagdo. gagdebis mizezebi
detalurad vici, magram axla
amaze ar SevCerdebi.
_ ratom ar SeCerdebiT, yve-
laze saintereso axla esaa...
_ amas sxva dros mogiyvebiT
detalurad. axla gacilebiT
saintereso ambebi midis qveyana-
Si. 2015 wlis dekemberSi RaribaSvils
misma ufrosma ramdenjerme
SemouTvala, rom posti daetovebina,
magram is gajiutda.
_ winaaRmdegoba gauwia ivaniS-
vils?
_ ufro gajiutda. roca pirvelad
SemouTvala, gadadeqio,
gaqanda Tbilisis meriaSi da
iqidan Caatara raRac RonisZieba.
ilaparaka, warmatebuli premieri
var da vagrZeleb muSaobaso. meore
dRes daureka mas ivaniSvilma
da politikidan gaagdo. ramdenime
weli is saerTod wasuli
iyo politikidan. 2019 wels
daabruna ministrad, axla ki premierad
waradgina.
_ ratom gaakeTa masze arCe-
vani?
_ imitom, rom ivaniSvils surs,
qveyana uxeSma da uzrdelma adamianma
marTos. marTviT ivaniSvili
marTavs. RaribaSvili Tavis
uzrdelobasa da uxeSobas oponentebisken
mimarTavs. mas oponentebTan
sxva eniT saubari, ubralod,
ar SeuZlia. mas aqvs mwiri
politikuri gamocdileba, ar
icis, ra aris konkurencia, warmodgena
ar aqvs Tavisuflebaze,
aklia ganaTleba.
_ ganaTleba namdvilad ar
aklia, dasavleTSi iswavla.
_ es araa ganaTleba. man dasavleTSi
aiRo diplomi, magram es
ar niSnavs, rom ganaTlebulia.
yvela xvdeba, ivaniSvilma RaribaSvili
oponentebTan dasapirispireblad
gamoiyvana wina planze,
magram amiT arsebuli suraTi
ar Seicvleba. ara mgonia, vinme
SeSindes da ukan daixios. ukan
daxeva axla ukve aRar SeiZleba.
Cveni qveyana Zalian Rrma krizis-
Sia Sesuli. nika melias dapatimrebis
gadawyvetileba iyo krizisis
apogea, mwvervali. imdenad
TvalsaCino iyo politikurad motivirebuli
saqme, rom nika melias
mTelma dasavleTma dauWira
mxari. Cveni opozicia mTlianad
mis gverdiT dadga.
Cveni dasavleli partniorebi,
saqarTveloSi akreditebuli
saelCoebi da avtoritetuli
ucxoeli politikosebi acxadeben,
rom am situaciidan gamosavali
aris dialogi da vadamdeli
arCevnebi. Cveni moTxovnac esaa.
mzad varT, xelisuflebas vadamdel
arCevnebze davelaparakoT.
konfrontacia da winaaRmdegoba
Cveni mizani ar aris. erTxel da
samudamod unda dasruldes qveynis
polarizeba. adamianebi imis
mixedviT aRar unda dafasdnen,
Tu romel partias warmoadgenen.
isini imis mixedviT unda davafasoT,
ra gamocdilebisa da Sinaarsis
matareblebi arian. mzad varT,
davsxdeT xelisuflebasTan er-
Tad da SevaTanxmoT TariRi, Tu
rodis Catardeba vadamdeli
arCevnebi. arCevnebamde kodeqsSi
unda Sevides cvlilebebi. sasurvelia,
rom arCevnebi eleqtronuli
wesiT Catardes. saqarTvelos
yvela moqalaqem unda miiRos ar-
CevnebSi monawileoba, maT Soris,
imaTac, vinc axla ucxoeTSi imyofebian.
es adamianebic Cveni moqalaqeebi
arian da maTac aqvT
ufleba, daakompleqton qarTuli
saxelmwifos xelisufleba.
_ premieris SerCevis Temas
davubrundeT. am postis
dasakaveblad kobaxiZe emzadebo-
da. ratom uTxres mas uari?
_ imitom, rom ase gadawyvita
ivaniSvilma. mTavaria, is ras
gadawyvets. misTvis saintereso
araa, Tu ras fiqrobs gundi.
_ man kobaxiZe partiis Tavmjdomared
datova, e. i. mas endo-
ba, magram premieroba ratom ar
ando? SeeSinda, rom zedmetad
gaZlierdeboda?
_ amis ar SeSinebia, ubralod,
ase gadawyvita. kobaxiZe mas sxva
frontze sWirdeba. RaribaSvili
aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebidan
Seutevs opozicias, kobaxiZe _
sakanonmdeblodan.
_ RaribaSvili da kobaxiZe
erTmaneTs rom ver itanen?
opoziciis nacvlad, erTmaneTze
murman dumbaZe:
`detalurad
mogiyvebiT, ratom
gaagdo 2015 wels
ivaniSvilma
RaribaSvili
premierobidan~
ar miitanon ieriSi.
_ erTmaneTs ver itanen, magram
maT aqvT erTi didi saerTo. es
saerTo gaxlavT biZina ivaniSvili.
„qarTul ocnebaSi” erTmaneTs
veravin itans, magram isinic
ivaniSvilis gamo itanen erTmaneTs.
visac biZina ivaniSvili ver
itanda da visac undoda misi
meurveobidan gamosvla, iman amis
gakeTeba moaxerxa.
_ giorgi gaxarias gulisx-
mobT?
_ diax. ar vityvi, rom is gmiria,
magram rac gaxariam gaakeTa, es
Zalian seriozuli ganacxadia.
sxva Tu araferi, am adamianma
mizezi ganmarta, Tu ratom wavida
premieris postidan. es ar
gaukeTebia arc giorgi kvirikaSvils
da arc mamuka baxtaZes. rac
Seexeba RaribaSvils, is ivaniSvilma
gaagdo premierobidan.
gaxariam Tavisi gadadgomiT
seriozuli ubedureba aacila
qveyanas, magram bolomde adekvaturad
ar moiqca. is politikidan
ar unda wasuliyo. mas unda
eTqva, vtoveb Tanamdebobas da
gadavdivar opoziciaSio. rodesac
gadamdgari premieri opoziciaSi
gadadis, es qveynisTvis kargia.
me aseTi saqarTvelo minda.
_ iqneb, gadavides opozicia-
Si.
_ ara mgonia. mTlad aseTi
gambedavic ar aris, Tumca gada-
WriT nurafers vityviT, yvelaferi
SeiZleba moxdes. misiT
aRfrTovanebuli ar var, magram
gadadgomis dRes man seriozuli
svla gaakeTa, riTac saxelmwifos
didi ubedureba aacila Tavidan.
_ im dRes aacila es ubedure-
ba Tavidan, magram nika melias
daWera isev dRis wesrigSi dgas.
`ar vityvi, rom is gmiria, magram rac
gaxariam gaakeTa, es Zalian seriozuli
ganacxadia. sxva Tu araferi, am adamianma
mizezi ganmarta, Tu ratom wavida premieris
postidan. es ar gaukeTebia arc giorgi
kvirikaSvils da arc mamuka baxtaZes. rac
Seexeba RaribaSvils, is ivaniSvilma gaagdo
premierobidan~
„ocnebam” nebismier wuTs SeiZle-
ba gadawyvitos operaciis
Catareba.
_ nebismier dros SeiZleba
raRac moimoqmedon, magram ara
mgonia, rom rame gamouvideT.
„qarTuli ocneba” dRiTi dRe
sustdeba. ivaniSvili marTalia,
kuluarebidan kvlav marTavs
qveyanas da partias, magram sajarod
Tqva, rom partiidan wavida. es
CvenTvis mniSvnelovani ganacxadia.
ramdenime dRis win „qarTuli
ocneba” amtkicebda, rom maT
Soris aranairi uTanxmoeba ar
aris da erTiani gundia. Zalian
male aRmoCnda, rom mniSvnelovan
sakiTxze maT sxvadasxva azri hqoniaT
da am azrTa sxvadasxvaobis
gamo premierma Tanamdebobac ki
datova. rac dro gava, es partia
kidev ufro dasustdeba. da ara
imitom, rom isini arian sustebi,
imitom sustdeba, rom opozicia
iqceva sworad. opozicias es
simtkice rom ar gamoeCina da parlamentSi
Sesuliyo, es ambebi ar
moxdeboda. parlamentSi opoziciis
arSesvlam „qarTuli ocneba”
Zalian Searyia. es politikuri
organizacia kidev ufro unda
davasustoT, es aris Cveni erTerTi
amocana. es raundi opoziciam
xelisuflebas seriozulad
mougo.
_ xval SeiZleba, imaT moigon
raundi.
_ meeWveba.
_ ratom geeWvebaT?
_ imitom meeWveba, rom vxedav,
Tu rogori erTiania opozicia. es
dReebi „nacionaluri moZraobis“
ofisSi var. sxvebTan erTad vicav
nika melias. ofisSi iseTi partiebi
modian, romelTa dasaxelebac
ki ar vici. aravin laparakobs sakuTar
partiaze, maT Soris, arc
gavleniani partiebis warmomadgenlebi.
yvela SeTanxmebulia
imaze, rom sasamarTlos usamarTlo
gadawyvetileba ar unda aRsruldes,
nika melia cixeSi ar
unda wavides. es aris Zalian kargi.
kargia imitom, rom opozicia
gagvaerTiana. verasdros warmovidgendi,
Tu „nacionalebis“ ofis-
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