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Vol 1: The Bluets - Lackham Countryside Centre

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<strong>The</strong> <strong>Bluets</strong> 19<br />

Church treated them as monks—that is, until the Council of<br />

Toledo (656) forbade their acceptance before the age of<br />

ten 61<br />

It is noted that under the rule of the Council of Toledo Alda could not<br />

have been entering Godstow as an oblate until 1159 (if her birth date was<br />

1149), which is too late for the dates for this charter. If this charter<br />

refers to Alda‘s nun’s dowery then she must necessarily have been born<br />

before 1147, at the latest. It is noted that oblates had free permission to<br />

leave the monastery, if they wished, when they reached the age of<br />

puberty 62 and so she could have left the nunnery and married de Spencer<br />

as suggested. However it is not possible for this sister to be a young girl;<br />

Ralph I died around 1112, and even if this is not entirely correct he would<br />

have been close to 100 in 1149, certainly not fathering children.<br />

She cannot be a daughter of Ralph II because that would make the<br />

charter by Ralph III, who is too young to be issuing charters in 1151-1157.<br />

She must, therefore, be a sister to Ralph II and have been born by about<br />

1110, which would make her between 40 and 50 at the time of this<br />

charter. It is possible that she entered Godstow after William de<br />

Spencer died. Unfortunately no trace of William de Spence.r apart from<br />

the reference by Gearhart, has been found 63 either and the supposed<br />

date of his death is unknown. All that can be said with any degree of<br />

conviction is that Ralph II had a sister who was a nun of Godstow, she<br />

might have been called Alda but this cannot be substantiated.<br />

To turn to the children of Ralph II (see Fig. 7 below) and whichever of his<br />

suggested wives was their mother - Ralph II died before 1157 and was<br />

succeeded by his eldest son, Ralph III, who was important man in the<br />

Marches. He took his father‘s place in the Marshal household.<br />

61<br />

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate_(religion)<br />

61 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate_(religion)<br />

63<br />

<strong>The</strong>re is a William de Spencer at the right period (born 1100) but he didn‘t<br />

marry a Bluet, he married Alix Ala de Bourgogne.

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