Vol 1: The Bluets - Lackham Countryside Centre
Vol 1: The Bluets - Lackham Countryside Centre
Vol 1: The Bluets - Lackham Countryside Centre
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<strong>The</strong> <strong>Bluets</strong> 19<br />
Church treated them as monks—that is, until the Council of<br />
Toledo (656) forbade their acceptance before the age of<br />
ten 61<br />
It is noted that under the rule of the Council of Toledo Alda could not<br />
have been entering Godstow as an oblate until 1159 (if her birth date was<br />
1149), which is too late for the dates for this charter. If this charter<br />
refers to Alda‘s nun’s dowery then she must necessarily have been born<br />
before 1147, at the latest. It is noted that oblates had free permission to<br />
leave the monastery, if they wished, when they reached the age of<br />
puberty 62 and so she could have left the nunnery and married de Spencer<br />
as suggested. However it is not possible for this sister to be a young girl;<br />
Ralph I died around 1112, and even if this is not entirely correct he would<br />
have been close to 100 in 1149, certainly not fathering children.<br />
She cannot be a daughter of Ralph II because that would make the<br />
charter by Ralph III, who is too young to be issuing charters in 1151-1157.<br />
She must, therefore, be a sister to Ralph II and have been born by about<br />
1110, which would make her between 40 and 50 at the time of this<br />
charter. It is possible that she entered Godstow after William de<br />
Spencer died. Unfortunately no trace of William de Spence.r apart from<br />
the reference by Gearhart, has been found 63 either and the supposed<br />
date of his death is unknown. All that can be said with any degree of<br />
conviction is that Ralph II had a sister who was a nun of Godstow, she<br />
might have been called Alda but this cannot be substantiated.<br />
To turn to the children of Ralph II (see Fig. 7 below) and whichever of his<br />
suggested wives was their mother - Ralph II died before 1157 and was<br />
succeeded by his eldest son, Ralph III, who was important man in the<br />
Marches. He took his father‘s place in the Marshal household.<br />
61<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate_(religion)<br />
61 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate_(religion)<br />
63<br />
<strong>The</strong>re is a William de Spencer at the right period (born 1100) but he didn‘t<br />
marry a Bluet, he married Alix Ala de Bourgogne.