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of me. That was .
&ink anymore; it's more like
producing and directing.
SLUG: Cause he does all of
your videos. Most of the videos
' that you guys have made, I
don't want to say all, but MTV
wouldn't play them. So what
' do you do with a video that no
one's going to play?
JC: Show it to your friends.
SLUG: So this time are you
going to get the video on TV?
; JC: I hope so. I mean, that's
the idea, obviously or why
waste the money on them? It's
I really up to them. It's kind of a
'mysterious and frightening
thing.
SLUG: What is? Not having
: them?
; JC: The whol~ video MTV
; thing. '
' SLUG: Really? Well, because
1 then all of a sudden your mega
stars. Go from being unrecogn&d,
almost completely
, strongly about how we want to
be perceiwh: Th&ets just so
ing a litt
JC: After a while I did and' I
unrecognized, to not being able muchhstuff o.ut there that rubs don't know if I could do it now.
td walk down the street. I us the wrong way that we want There are sodre things that I
JC: Well, I'll let you know 'to be different. Ad a f& of , did that,I h# to do that I didwhen
that happens.
times that goas agwfthe ; n't feel toowd abaut.
SLUG: Well, I think that's part grain of highpoiwmirketing SLUG: DO+OU even feel that ,
of the und.erground appeal is and commercialism and stuff. way watching Cops? I do, I
the fact that your videos didn't hat's not to say we wouldn't how I do.
get played.
enjoy like ... SLUG: A hit.. JC. No, not really there's worse
JC: If your equating under- JC: Yeah. Plus we would wadt stuff oh TV than that.
ground with'co~rcial medi- to do it on our terms. We're SLUG: I personally like reruns.'
ocrity or whatever, I think not going to do a hch af stuff JC: I like reruns, too.
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underground might come more that makes us feel so gross it SLUG: Well, what's your first
from just sticking to your won't be fun $0 ddq anymore. music memory?
beliefs and just doing things - That's where most qf if cbmes JC: I guess getting a little cheap
your own way whether your from is'j~t.l&e ~$in~hiing 'tape recorder and making a
going to be popular or not.
Just trying to be happy with
yourself, trying to do something
your proud of and not
sbff that wkthhk'is importint.
SLUG: SQ what have you
been li~tkniqto a Iot lately
music wise? '
tqpe off the radio with changes
by David Bowie on it. I was
pretty little. I don't know in
grade, school probably whenev-
whore
completely that, JC:. Wow, Slsan Berry, .ihti&new er that came out, it must have
record a ~ the d Ass Ponik ' ,
been First or second grade for
fecord, the Wolverton Brothers me. -. .
from qincimati. I like t~ listen ISLUG: What would you be
to my friends tapes a$d stuff. doing if weren't ,doing
As far as like ... man I canl never this?
remember. I always get. ~ uon
t JC: Wow, I don't know.
the spot like &is. I shou1d'fus;t . ,. Probably.just working as a
make notes before I do-this , '. photographer, I'think. I guess I
%(, ,
stuff.
would be doing something like
SLUG: You dokt ha*rip.' '&n thdt maybe and still just playit
becomes really c@tziv&.~ -:". ing music on the side. Cause
JC: Yeah. I watch <g.TV than. that's what I always figured I
, I ljst6n to records. ' ' ,!' - "-- would do.
SLUG: &bat's your favorite TV . SLUG: Do you ever think that
show? Jc: Cops. We played in - people just go "god what I real-
Cleveland and some~dy hit , ly want to do is be a bars playme
in the face with a cup bf '. er". You kndw, unless you;
beer while we.were playing. like in a funk band and how
And later on, as I was lkavihg, did that end yp coming about
one of the cops guarding the for you?
door said somethin6 to me JC: I heard the Who.
about it; just kind of made a
joke and it turned out he had
SLUG: You heard the Who. I
was thjnking that this morning
been on Cops and I'd Seen the when I was listening to you
episode and stuff. So, it was guys that there is a Ibt of Roger
like a celebrity meeting. Daltry, and Pete Townsend and
SLUG: I can't figu~e out why the Who in there. '
that stuff is so appealing. JC: Yeah, we all like them and
Those shows, watching.ither we all listen to them. 'There's
people get in trouble., Do yop worse people to be compared
know what I mean?
to than that.
JC: Yeah, I M t kno,w, It's a SLUG: I think so. My friend
voyeuristic thing., I q ~cl to , thinks that their the originators
work at a newspapey as a ghp- of punk. I don't know if I
tographer anti I realIy enjqyed agree but I think its an interestthat
aspect of the job.'.hlce .ing opinion. .:‘a''" :" ,, p .
being able to just so5t b'fhang JC: it could be, I &an.Keith
out behind the police'line. You Moon was pretty punk rock.
get to see how it$ 40be.~ S ' -A.J. Miller *,
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SLUG: But don? yod f'e s he-
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times that your sort of'invad-
you can't even do it anymore.
SLUG: Well, I don't think if you
guys got commercial success
that all of a sudden your fans'
should become mediocre.
JC: Well, I think people feel,
not just with us but with all
kinds of bands, that something's
not popular and you
discpver it and you turn yourfriends
on to it and it's like a
little shared skret among the
people that know about it.-.
And then, all of a sudden,
there's a hit and all the asshole
guys at school and people that
, you don't like start listening to
it and ... I definitely felt like that
whole thing when Nirvana's
record blew up because there
was all these ieople who knew
about it, who listened to Sub .
Pop Records and then all of a
sudden, everybody was into it.
A lot of people feel pretty close
to their music and don't want
to share it with people that
they necessarily wouldn't be
friends with. So, I'm sure
there would be that but what
are you going to do?
SLUG: So your success, not
yours personally, but the band,
seems to be tied to the fact that
you guy$ are still on the underground.
Are you guys trying to
maintain that?
'
JC: I don't think .we're consciously
trying to maintain
that. I think a lot of that comes
from the fact that we feel pretty
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