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PAGE 24 — SUNDAY VANGUARD, JANUARY 26, 2020<br />
It’s been 50 years s<strong>in</strong>ce the Nigeria civil<br />
war ended. What is your take on the<br />
subject matter, ‘Never Aga<strong>in</strong>?’<br />
Well, I have a personal experience with the<br />
civil war. I <strong>was</strong> 16 years old <strong>an</strong>d I lived <strong>in</strong><br />
Gboko, Benue State at the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of the<br />
war. The war started <strong>in</strong> Benue. Nigeri<strong>an</strong> troops<br />
entered Biafra territory through Benue, my<br />
community as a matter of fact <strong>an</strong>d soldiers<br />
were stationed <strong>in</strong> Makurdi <strong>an</strong>d Gboko<br />
pr<strong>in</strong>cipally because yo c<strong>an</strong> enter northern<br />
Cross River State from Gboko, so I saw it. But<br />
more th<strong>an</strong> that, there <strong>was</strong> a build-up to that<br />
war. In that build-up, there were some issues.<br />
There were riots <strong>in</strong> then-Western Nigeria<br />
<strong>an</strong>d the present day Benue State.<br />
There <strong>was</strong> a controversial census<br />
<strong>in</strong> 1963 <strong>an</strong>d the boycott of the 1964<br />
general elections by the East which<br />
produced the government. The<br />
build-up to the 1966 coup had to do<br />
with certa<strong>in</strong> issues that probably even<br />
predated <strong>in</strong>dependence; maybe some people<br />
felt that the way government <strong>was</strong> formed after<br />
<strong>in</strong>dependence <strong>an</strong>d even after the 1964<br />
elections <strong>was</strong> not satisfactory. Crisis<br />
sometimes do not happen overnight. There is<br />
a build-up <strong>an</strong>d if you do not m<strong>an</strong>age that buildup<br />
very well, crisis c<strong>an</strong> explode <strong>in</strong>to someth<strong>in</strong>g<br />
that is not good for the society. So, we had the<br />
1966 coup. There <strong>was</strong> a pattern of that coup<br />
that some people suggest <strong>was</strong> responsible for<br />
a counter-coup aga<strong>in</strong>st the Igbo, <strong>an</strong>d that led<br />
to the decision by then-governor of Eastern<br />
Region, Colonel Emeka Odumegwu-<br />
Ojukwu to take the region out of Nigeria. Of<br />
course, there <strong>was</strong> some attempt at a<br />
conference <strong>in</strong> Aburi. So we had the civil war<br />
which started from the federal side as police<br />
action. But after a while, it became civil<br />
war. And when we talked about lessons<br />
learned, if what led to that war <strong>was</strong> a<br />
problem of the national question, maybe<br />
we have not done enough to address that<br />
question.<br />
But the other po<strong>in</strong>t is also that <strong>in</strong> a<br />
country of more th<strong>an</strong> 600 ethnic groups,<br />
when you talk about justice, fairness <strong>an</strong>d<br />
equity, it must apply to all, not just one<br />
particular group. To some of us who<br />
are nationalists, therefore, all ethnic<br />
nationalities <strong>in</strong> Nigeria are entitled to<br />
fairness, equity <strong>an</strong>d justice.<br />
In your own estimation, do you<br />
th<strong>in</strong>k those th<strong>in</strong>gs have been well<br />
addressed?<br />
Well, <strong>in</strong> measures. For <strong>example</strong>,<br />
when then-Head of State, General<br />
Yakubu Gowon, created 12 states<br />
at the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of the war, he<br />
seemed to have addressed the<br />
agitation for creation of more<br />
regions. You know we started<br />
our Nigeri<strong>an</strong> federation<br />
with three regions but, by<br />
1963, we had the<br />
Midwest Region<br />
created out of Western<br />
Region but there were<br />
agitations for more<br />
states. In northern<br />
Nigeria, there <strong>was</strong><br />
agitation for a region<br />
<strong>in</strong> the north-east<br />
spearheaded by the<br />
Borno Youth Movement <strong>an</strong>d there <strong>was</strong> also<br />
<strong>an</strong> agitation <strong>in</strong> the middle-belt region<br />
spearheaded by the United Middle-Belt<br />
Congress. And <strong>in</strong> the Eastern Region, you had<br />
agitation for Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers Region.<br />
But, more th<strong>an</strong> that, when we had<br />
constitutional government under military rule<br />
<strong>in</strong> 1979, there <strong>was</strong> <strong>an</strong> attempt to <strong>in</strong>troduce<br />
<strong>in</strong>to our Constitution certa<strong>in</strong> pr<strong>in</strong>ciples like<br />
the federal character pr<strong>in</strong>ciple. Some people<br />
said that pr<strong>in</strong>ciple attempts to address<br />
lopsided representation <strong>in</strong> national<br />
govern<strong>an</strong>ce but it also has the tendency to shortch<strong>an</strong>ge<br />
competition. That is <strong>an</strong> argument<br />
which persists. I th<strong>in</strong>k that agitation cont<strong>in</strong>ues<br />
for greater equity, greater fairness <strong>an</strong>d greater<br />
justice <strong>in</strong> Nigeria <strong>an</strong>d one c<strong>an</strong> see where that<br />
is reasonable because there have been<br />
questions of fiscal federalism for <strong>example</strong>:<br />
what happens to the resources of Nigeria? Do<br />
we have too much of those federally generated<br />
or appropriated resources go<strong>in</strong>g to the Federal<br />
Government? I believe we c<strong>an</strong> give more<br />
resources to states <strong>an</strong>d local governments.<br />
<strong>How</strong> far are we implement<strong>in</strong>g federal<br />
character? Maybe attempts at<br />
implementation have not been good enough;<br />
so there are all these questions. But <strong>in</strong>justice is<br />
not someth<strong>in</strong>g that c<strong>an</strong> be said to be meted<br />
out to only one section of the country. I don’t<br />
w<strong>an</strong>t to talk about my community. We have<br />
done a lot for this country but they pretend as<br />
if we don’t exist or they th<strong>in</strong>k we don’t have the<br />
capacity to threaten secession. But people from<br />
my community, about 60% of them, fought<br />
the civil on behalf of Nigeria but people<br />
pretend that that sacrifice is not import<strong>an</strong>t.<br />
We are noth<strong>in</strong>g.<br />
Look<strong>in</strong>g at the Aburi Accord that eventually<br />
failed <strong>an</strong>d other issues that culm<strong>in</strong>ated <strong>in</strong>to<br />
the civil war; would you say Ojukwu <strong>was</strong><br />
right <strong>in</strong> call<strong>in</strong>g for that secession?<br />
I saw <strong>an</strong> op<strong>in</strong>ion piece written by <strong>an</strong> Igbo<br />
person blam<strong>in</strong>g Ojukwu for not listen<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
Zik among others. He said Ojukwu <strong>was</strong><br />
possibly so up<strong>set</strong> with the kill<strong>in</strong>g of the Igbo <strong>in</strong><br />
other parts of Nigeria <strong>an</strong>d how the crisis turned<br />
out to be that he <strong>was</strong> not rational at that time.<br />
I like to put myself <strong>in</strong> his shoes <strong>an</strong>d wonder<br />
what I would have done; it is<br />
very difficult to suggest that<br />
somebody would have been<br />
rational with those th<strong>in</strong>gs that<br />
happened <strong>an</strong>d I th<strong>in</strong>k whatever<br />
it <strong>was</strong> that started those th<strong>in</strong>gs,<br />
it is possible that they could also<br />
go overboard. I th<strong>in</strong>k the<br />
counter-coup <strong>was</strong> probably a<br />
military th<strong>in</strong>g. So, if it <strong>was</strong> a<br />
military affair, maybe it <strong>was</strong><br />
enough but now spill<strong>in</strong>g over<br />
to the communities <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
massacre of people <strong>was</strong> ugly.<br />
•Professor Yima Sen<br />
The Igbo still feel shortch<strong>an</strong>ged<br />
<strong>in</strong> Nigeria 50 years<br />
after the war. C<strong>an</strong> that be<br />
justified?<br />
This idea has been<br />
sensationalized. War is not<br />
good <strong>an</strong>d when a war ends <strong>an</strong>d<br />
you lose, you c<strong>an</strong>not celebrate.<br />
I w<strong>an</strong>t to give <strong>an</strong> <strong>example</strong>. The<br />
bomb<strong>in</strong>g of Nagasaki <strong>an</strong>d<br />
Hiroshima rema<strong>in</strong>s a problem<br />
<strong>in</strong> Jap<strong>an</strong> up till today. There<br />
are the effects of those bombs<br />
as we speak. Germ<strong>an</strong>s lost the<br />
First World War <strong>an</strong>d they were very <strong>bad</strong>ly<br />
treated by the victors. They were made to pay<br />
reparations for los<strong>in</strong>g the war <strong>an</strong>d, because of<br />
that maltreatment, Hitler led Germ<strong>an</strong>s <strong>in</strong>to<br />
the Second World War <strong>an</strong>d that Second World<br />
War <strong>was</strong> even worse th<strong>an</strong> the First World War<br />
for Germ<strong>an</strong>y, Italy <strong>an</strong>d Jap<strong>an</strong>. Although<br />
Germ<strong>an</strong>y is a very strong economy <strong>in</strong> Europe<br />
<strong>an</strong>d has very <strong>in</strong>dustrious people, they are very<br />
accomplished people. If you look at the five<br />
decision makers for peace <strong>an</strong>d security<br />
I th<strong>in</strong>k that we<br />
should be<br />
able to<br />
convert some<br />
of these<br />
th<strong>in</strong>gs which<br />
are seen as<br />
threats <strong>in</strong>to<br />
issues for<br />
national<br />
development<br />
matters <strong>in</strong> the world, I am talk<strong>in</strong>g about the<br />
perm<strong>an</strong>ent members of the United Nations<br />
Security Council (US, UK, Fr<strong>an</strong>ce, Russia <strong>an</strong>d<br />
Ch<strong>in</strong>a), those are the mates of Germ<strong>an</strong>y <strong>in</strong> the<br />
world. Germ<strong>an</strong>y should be there but they are<br />
not. The UN system emerged<br />
after WW II. After the civil war<br />
<strong>in</strong> the United States, the<br />
southern part of the America<br />
did not produce a President<br />
until the Jimmy Carter<br />
presidency. Dur<strong>in</strong>g the first Gulf<br />
War, Iraq <strong>in</strong>vaded Kuwait <strong>an</strong>d<br />
some allies from the West<br />
attacked Iraq. Iraq withdrew<br />
from Kuwait but those who<br />
attacked Iraq from the West<br />
were not satisfied <strong>an</strong>d there <strong>was</strong><br />
a second Gulf War <strong>an</strong>d Iraq <strong>was</strong><br />
virtually destroyed <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
leader, Sadam Husse<strong>in</strong>, killed.<br />
Iraq has not recovered from the<br />
war. What I am say<strong>in</strong>g is that<br />
war is not nice but I th<strong>in</strong>k<br />
Gowon<br />
deserves<br />
commendation for his three Rs<br />
(Reconciliation, Rehabilitation<br />
<strong>an</strong>d Reconstruction) <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
‘no victor, no v<strong>an</strong>quished’<br />
pr<strong>in</strong>ciple.<br />
But have the Igbo actually<br />
been properly re<strong>in</strong>tegrated?<br />
I know that some military<br />
officers from the Biafra side were re<strong>in</strong>tegrated<br />
<strong>in</strong>to the Nigeri<strong>an</strong> armed forces. I know that <strong>in</strong><br />
some communities, certa<strong>in</strong> people who left<br />
their properties came back <strong>an</strong>d people gave<br />
the properties back to them then they came<br />
back. And dur<strong>in</strong>g the first democratically<br />
constituted government of Nigeria after the<br />
civil war, <strong>an</strong> Igbo person (Alex Ekwueme) <strong>was</strong><br />
the number two person <strong>in</strong> government <strong>an</strong>d he<br />
<strong>was</strong> most likely go<strong>in</strong>g to succeed President<br />
Shehu Shagari.<br />
2023:<br />
Specifically, what did you take away from the<br />
gather<strong>in</strong>g of ‘Never Aga<strong>in</strong>’ <strong>in</strong> Lagos?<br />
What I took away from the gather<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> Lagos<br />
<strong>was</strong> a sober<strong>in</strong>g of reflection on the war. Of course,<br />
there were one or two emotional voices but I <strong>was</strong><br />
impressed with some of the ma<strong>in</strong> contributors who<br />
were call<strong>in</strong>g for reason<strong>in</strong>g but one of them talked<br />
about wars <strong>in</strong> history <strong>an</strong>d this <strong>was</strong> <strong>an</strong> Igbo person<br />
<strong>an</strong>d how nasty they have been to people who were<br />
defeated. One should never call the aftermath of a<br />
war as good but, to <strong>an</strong> extent, it has been because<br />
people are v<strong>in</strong>dictive. Germ<strong>an</strong>y has not recovered<br />
from the two World Wars.<br />
The South-West just came up with Amotekun, a<br />
regional security network, to police their<br />
environment. There has been this debate as to<br />
whether it is legal or not. Is it a th<strong>in</strong>g to be<br />
commended?<br />
I will <strong>an</strong>swer that question like <strong>an</strong> ord<strong>in</strong>ary person<br />
who is concerned about security all over Nigeria,<br />
not just <strong>in</strong> <strong>an</strong>y part of Nigeria. If you look at the<br />
North-East, they have had to employ hunters to assist<br />
the armed forces to deal with Boko Haram. The<br />
question is who are these hunters? There have been<br />
all sorts of vigil<strong>an</strong>te groups around Nigeria. Why<br />
do we need vigil<strong>an</strong>te groups? There are countries<br />
across the world where you hardly need polic<strong>in</strong>g;<br />
you c<strong>an</strong> just go about your bus<strong>in</strong>esses <strong>an</strong>d not be<br />
afraid of crime. The level of <strong>in</strong>security <strong>in</strong> Nigeria<br />
today has reached a level where if people engage <strong>in</strong><br />
self-help, you c<strong>an</strong>not blame them. Insecurity is no<br />
respecter of ethnicity or religion. I know of Ful<strong>an</strong>i<br />
men who have been kidnapped by Ful<strong>an</strong>i b<strong>an</strong>dits<br />
<strong>in</strong> the bush <strong>an</strong>d they are not <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> your<br />
religious or ethnic plead<strong>in</strong>gs. So, if a community<br />
says “look, we c<strong>an</strong> police our community” <strong>an</strong>d if<br />
what they are do<strong>in</strong>g is with<strong>in</strong> the law or the<br />
Constitution, I am not opposed to that k<strong>in</strong>d of<br />
arr<strong>an</strong>gement.<br />
But the Federal Government through the<br />
Attorney General has declared it illegal?<br />
Well, I don’t know. I am not a member of the Federal