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PAGE 8—SUNDAY VANGUARD, JANUARY 26, 2020<br />
Mr Y<strong>in</strong>ka Odumak<strong>in</strong>,<br />
spokesperson for<br />
Afenifere, says those who<br />
are afraid of Amotekun are<br />
crim<strong>in</strong>als.<br />
Now that it has been decided that<br />
the state Houses of Assembly<br />
should enact laws to legalise<br />
Amotekun, you th<strong>in</strong>k that <strong>set</strong>tles<br />
the matter?<br />
They will do it def<strong>in</strong>itely but it doesn’t<br />
<strong>set</strong>tle the matter because when you<br />
listen to some of our compatriots,<br />
even if you are talk<strong>in</strong>g about Hisbah,<br />
these are sectional laws; not<br />
everyone who lives <strong>in</strong> K<strong>an</strong>o <strong>an</strong>d<br />
everywhere you have Sharia is a<br />
Muslim. We are talk<strong>in</strong>g about<br />
Amotekun to protect Yoruba,<br />
Hausa, Igbo, Ijaw, <strong>an</strong>yone<br />
liv<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>side South-West.<br />
You say some people are<br />
afraid; those who are<br />
afraid are crim<strong>in</strong>als <strong>in</strong><br />
the South-West. If you<br />
are not a crim<strong>in</strong>al,<br />
you have noth<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
be afraid about<br />
Amotekun. Now,<br />
one comrade<br />
<strong>was</strong> rais<strong>in</strong>g<br />
questions<br />
about general<br />
establishment,<br />
t h o s e<br />
questions<br />
a r e<br />
unfortunate because there is nobody<br />
who will say he is not aware of the<br />
security challenge we are fac<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong><br />
the South-West for several months<br />
now. Some days ago, Pa Fasor<strong>an</strong>ti<br />
<strong>was</strong> lament<strong>in</strong>g that the Federal<br />
Government has stopped<br />
<strong>in</strong>vestigation <strong>in</strong>to the kill<strong>in</strong>g of his<br />
daughter, six months after, not even<br />
one word from the police. Women<br />
are be<strong>in</strong>g raped, people are be<strong>in</strong>g<br />
kidnapped; r<strong>an</strong>soms are be<strong>in</strong>g paid<br />
all over the place. In the midst of all<br />
these, our governors said we are <strong>in</strong><br />
<strong>an</strong> emergency, let us have Amotekun.<br />
The federal authorities have failed<br />
us. Some three months ago, I went<br />
to see Baba Alaaf<strong>in</strong> of Oyo <strong>an</strong>d he<br />
<strong>was</strong> tell<strong>in</strong>g me that when Oyo <strong>was</strong><br />
becom<strong>in</strong>g ungovernable, he <strong>set</strong> up a<br />
Insecurity <strong>an</strong>d the move to stem<br />
it us<strong>in</strong>g apparatus other th<strong>an</strong> the<br />
one controlled by the Federal<br />
Government has been <strong>an</strong> issue.<br />
Where do you st<strong>an</strong>d?<br />
Simply because the police aren’t<br />
do<strong>in</strong>g what they are supposed to do<br />
doesn’t me<strong>an</strong> you have to create<br />
<strong>an</strong>other police. Certa<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong>itiatives<br />
have been taken by some states to<br />
complement the work of the police.<br />
I know some states where bodies<br />
have been created to help <strong>in</strong> traffic<br />
control <strong>an</strong>d I know of states where<br />
bodies have been established to<br />
detect <strong>an</strong>d prevent crime. Our<br />
expectation is that the Federal<br />
Government should take a greater<br />
<strong>in</strong>itiative by <strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>g the number<br />
of policemen, tra<strong>in</strong> them <strong>an</strong>d equip<br />
them to do the job.<br />
State governments are <strong>in</strong>vest<strong>in</strong>g<br />
a lot <strong>in</strong> the police because of the<br />
<strong>in</strong>adequacy <strong>in</strong> equipment <strong>an</strong>d<br />
personnel. Only last week after a<br />
meet<strong>in</strong>g with his security chiefs,<br />
President Buhari restated his<br />
belief <strong>in</strong> community polic<strong>in</strong>g. So<br />
why do we have furore over<br />
Amotekun, a regional security<br />
outfit just created by South-West<br />
governors, s<strong>in</strong>ce the goal of<br />
everyone is security <strong>in</strong> the face of<br />
<strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>g b<strong>an</strong>ditry, kidnapp<strong>in</strong>g<br />
among other crimes <strong>in</strong> the l<strong>an</strong>d?<br />
Community polic<strong>in</strong>g has been<br />
with us for quite some time. But the<br />
truth of the matter is that the number<br />
of policemen we have <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
tra<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g is <strong>in</strong>sufficient. Cairo, the<br />
Egypti<strong>an</strong> capital alone, has about<br />
one million security men tackl<strong>in</strong>g<br />
crime there. And Egypt is about half<br />
the population of Nigeria. We have<br />
over 200 million people <strong>in</strong> this<br />
country <strong>an</strong>d the number of<br />
policemen we have is <strong>in</strong> the r<strong>an</strong>ge of<br />
300, 000, 400, 000. This is grossly<br />
<strong>in</strong>sufficient to deal with the security<br />
situation on the ground.<br />
Why do we have furore over<br />
Amotekun?<br />
Police are <strong>an</strong> essential part of our<br />
security network. This is <strong>an</strong> outfit that<br />
c<strong>an</strong> be utilised for the good or <strong>bad</strong>.<br />
And our position is that it should not<br />
be used for the <strong>bad</strong> purpose. And to<br />
allay the peoples’ fear, <strong>an</strong>y<br />
org<strong>an</strong>isation to be used for polic<strong>in</strong>g<br />
should be established with<strong>in</strong> the<br />
•Odumak<strong>in</strong><br />
vigil<strong>an</strong>te group which arrested<br />
several herdsmen, there were even<br />
one of them who removed someone’s<br />
genital, they were caught <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
police could not charge <strong>an</strong>yone of<br />
them to court. It is <strong>in</strong> the midst of this<br />
situation that our governor had to<br />
do someth<strong>in</strong>g. And what they have<br />
done, they have not violated <strong>an</strong>y law.<br />
They said security is on exclusive list;<br />
that is a lie from the pit of hell.<br />
Security is not on <strong>an</strong>y list. As <strong>an</strong><br />
<strong>in</strong>dividual, you c<strong>an</strong> get a security<br />
guard for your house.<br />
I th<strong>in</strong>k there is a need for people<br />
to underst<strong>an</strong>d that what is on<br />
exclusive list is defence <strong>an</strong>d not<br />
prism of the law. The issue <strong>in</strong> the<br />
South-West has been that they are not<br />
happy with what is happen<strong>in</strong>g <strong>an</strong>d<br />
therefore they should put together <strong>an</strong><br />
outfit to protect lives <strong>an</strong>d property.<br />
But you have to put <strong>in</strong>to<br />
consideration the procedure of<br />
establish<strong>in</strong>g such <strong>an</strong> outfit. Let me<br />
give you a typical <strong>example</strong> of K<strong>an</strong>o<br />
State. When the state found that the<br />
number of policemen <strong>was</strong> not<br />
sufficient to meet its security needs,<br />
they decided to establish Hisbah. And<br />
when they did that, they went through<br />
all the processes that were required.<br />
A law <strong>was</strong> made with<strong>in</strong> the state by<br />
the K<strong>an</strong>o House of Assembly to <strong>set</strong><br />
up the outfit, <strong>an</strong>d the law <strong>was</strong> even<br />
further amended. This <strong>was</strong><br />
challenged by the Federal<br />
Government th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g the state <strong>was</strong><br />
now creat<strong>in</strong>g <strong>an</strong> outfit to do the<br />
AMOTEKUN:<br />
Whether exclusive or concurrent,<br />
security is not on <strong>an</strong>y list<br />
security. Hav<strong>in</strong>g<br />
said that, I th<strong>in</strong>k<br />
one of the issues<br />
that have come<br />
up on Amotekun<br />
is that people do<br />
not underst<strong>an</strong>d<br />
the operational<br />
guidel<strong>in</strong>es of the<br />
security outfit...<br />
There is<br />
noth<strong>in</strong>g that<br />
—Odumak<strong>in</strong><br />
Amotekun is<br />
do<strong>in</strong>g th<strong>an</strong> to<br />
secure lives <strong>an</strong>d<br />
property, to fill the gap that the police<br />
c<strong>an</strong>not fill. Police are just on the<br />
• Says those who<br />
are afraid of outfit<br />
are crim<strong>in</strong>als<br />
Someone said<br />
there <strong>was</strong> a time<br />
that the OPC <strong>in</strong><br />
the South-West<br />
<strong>was</strong> used aga<strong>in</strong>st<br />
Igbo traders liv<strong>in</strong>g<br />
<strong>in</strong> the zone. I am<br />
not aware of <strong>an</strong>y<br />
time the OPC<br />
went after Igbo<br />
traders <strong>in</strong> Lagos<br />
police work. But the condition <strong>was</strong><br />
that Hisbah <strong>was</strong> not go<strong>in</strong>g to carry<br />
arms. They were to help the police <strong>in</strong><br />
<strong>in</strong>telligence gather<strong>in</strong>g <strong>an</strong>d detect<strong>in</strong>g<br />
crime. Even then the Federal<br />
Government <strong>an</strong>d the Inspector<br />
General of Police were not happy with<br />
it. And the case went to the Supreme<br />
Court <strong>an</strong>d it <strong>was</strong> decided by the apex<br />
court that Hisbah <strong>was</strong> legal. But <strong>in</strong><br />
the case of the South-West governors’<br />
<strong>in</strong>itiative, they have put together a<br />
security outfit that has no back<strong>in</strong>g of<br />
the law, nobody knows whether they<br />
are go<strong>in</strong>g to carry arms or not<br />
because they say they are go<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
fight herdsmen <strong>an</strong>d herdsmen,<br />
accord<strong>in</strong>g to them, carry guns. So<br />
with<strong>in</strong> this context, people that may<br />
be targeted will enterta<strong>in</strong> fear.<br />
History is very import<strong>an</strong>t. You will<br />
recall that when the Oodua Peoples’<br />
Congress (OPC), led by G<strong>an</strong>i Adams,<br />
<strong>was</strong> allowed to operate, what did<br />
they do? Police work. At the end of<br />
the day, what happened? They<br />
started chas<strong>in</strong>g Igbo traders <strong>in</strong><br />
Lagos. Anyth<strong>in</strong>g that<br />
did not align with<br />
what they w<strong>an</strong>ted, they<br />
unleashed terror,<br />
highways, stopp<strong>in</strong>g<br />
vehicles; Amotekun<br />
members have the capacity<br />
to go <strong>in</strong>to the forest, to know<br />
what is go<strong>in</strong>g on there <strong>an</strong>d<br />
get <strong>in</strong>formation.<br />
The last time the<br />
National Assembly tried to<br />
amend the Constitution <strong>in</strong><br />
favour of polic<strong>in</strong>g across<br />
the country but that didn’t<br />
succeed. And governors<br />
should be able to call a<br />
security meet<strong>in</strong>g with the<br />
President <strong>an</strong>d they c<strong>an</strong> talk<br />
about all these th<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>an</strong>d<br />
address them frontally. But<br />
that hasn’t happened. <strong>How</strong><br />
do we know that our<br />
leaders are not play<strong>in</strong>g<br />
politics with all of these<br />
th<strong>in</strong>gs?<br />
What operates <strong>in</strong> Nigeria<br />
at the moment is comm<strong>an</strong>d<br />
<strong>an</strong>d control. Someone said there <strong>was</strong><br />
a time that the OPC <strong>in</strong> the South-<br />
Hisbah legal, Amotekun illegal<br />
—Sufi, former Senior Lecturer, Bayero University<br />
•Dr S<strong>an</strong>i Sufi<br />
Dr S<strong>an</strong>i Sufi, a former Commissioner for Education <strong>in</strong> K<strong>an</strong>o State <strong>an</strong>d<br />
one time Senior Lecturer at Bayero University, K<strong>an</strong>o, expla<strong>in</strong>s why<br />
Hisbah, the Sharia police, is legal <strong>an</strong>d Amotekun illegal.<br />
harass<strong>in</strong>g people.<br />
Fears are always<br />
there. What is to be<br />
there is to allay the<br />
fears, reassure the<br />
people that the goal is<br />
to ensure security for<br />
everyone. People say<br />
we should not forget<br />
the primary reason<br />
for establish<strong>in</strong>g such<br />
outfit. There have<br />
also been places<br />
where the state had a<br />
legal framework <strong>an</strong>d<br />
there <strong>was</strong> a tussle<br />
with some<br />
stakeholders <strong>an</strong>d<br />
the federal<br />
authorities. In<br />
Benue for <strong>in</strong>st<strong>an</strong>ce,<br />
the state<br />
government made<br />
the Anti-graz<strong>in</strong>g<br />
Law <strong>an</strong>d there <strong>was</strong><br />
a problem with it.<br />
Some people said<br />
the law <strong>was</strong><br />
discrim<strong>in</strong>atory<br />
whereas the state<br />
government said it<br />
<strong>was</strong> to protect<br />
everyone <strong>in</strong> the<br />
state. So is the law<br />
really the problem<br />
or the fears of the<br />
people?<br />
Both! We are liv<strong>in</strong>g<br />
with<strong>in</strong> the context of<br />
a sovereign nation.<br />
And the Constitution<br />
is the guid<strong>in</strong>g<br />
document. Once you do someth<strong>in</strong>g<br />
outside of the Constitution, certa<strong>in</strong>ly<br />
Once you allow<br />
ethnic bigots to<br />
take over the<br />
responsibility of<br />
the constituted<br />
authority, we<br />
may be <strong>in</strong><br />
d<strong>an</strong>ger of<br />
creat<strong>in</strong>g a<br />
monster that<br />
will be difficult<br />
to control<br />
West <strong>was</strong> used aga<strong>in</strong>st Igbo traders<br />
liv<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> the zone. I am not aware of<br />
<strong>an</strong>y time the OPC went after Igbo<br />
traders <strong>in</strong> Lagos. The only time there<br />
<strong>was</strong> a problem between OPC <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
Hausa community <strong>in</strong> Lagos, it <strong>was</strong><br />
under President Obas<strong>an</strong>jo <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
Hausa were the aggressors. OPC<br />
merely acted <strong>in</strong> self self-defence. But<br />
you know what Obas<strong>an</strong>jo did? He<br />
arrested G<strong>an</strong>i Adams <strong>an</strong>d the late<br />
Frederick Faseun <strong>an</strong>d took them to<br />
Abuja. I went to see them <strong>in</strong> Kuje<br />
Prison. Obas<strong>an</strong>jo didn’t address <strong>an</strong>y<br />
Hausa m<strong>an</strong> even if they were the<br />
aggressors. What Obas<strong>an</strong>jo <strong>was</strong><br />
try<strong>in</strong>g to do <strong>was</strong> that as President of<br />
Yoruba extraction he <strong>was</strong> not tak<strong>in</strong>g<br />
sides with the Yoruba.<br />
On pro-Amotekun protests, they<br />
held <strong>in</strong> all the South-West state<br />
capitals but not <strong>in</strong> Lagos. Are all<br />
the governors united on the issue<br />
of Amotekun?<br />
There is no division at all. All these<br />
little protests that you see here <strong>an</strong>d<br />
there are just the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of this<br />
matter. The South-West has made it<br />
clear that nobody is go<strong>in</strong>g to stop us<br />
from protect<strong>in</strong>g ourselves. We are not<br />
aga<strong>in</strong>st <strong>an</strong>ybody. The young people<br />
who protested, that is their own way<br />
of say<strong>in</strong>g there is no go<strong>in</strong>g back on<br />
Amotekun. Amotekun is the only way<br />
to protect ourselves; we don’t have<br />
history of harassment aga<strong>in</strong>st<br />
<strong>an</strong>yone. Live <strong>an</strong>d let live has been<br />
our philosophy. We have history of<br />
accommodat<strong>in</strong>g everyone.<br />
the Federal Government or the<br />
agency <strong>in</strong> charge must react. What<br />
is happen<strong>in</strong>g now is that the South-<br />
West governors launched probably<br />
the largest police support <strong>in</strong>itiative<br />
without a law establish<strong>in</strong>g it.<br />
If there <strong>was</strong> a law establish<strong>in</strong>g<br />
Amotekun, will you still have<br />
problem with it?<br />
Oh, there will be no<br />
problem absolutely<br />
The AMOTEKUN file<br />
because we will now<br />
have the required<br />
framework <strong>an</strong>d we will<br />
know what it c<strong>an</strong> do <strong>an</strong>d<br />
what it c<strong>an</strong>not do.<br />
<strong>How</strong> do you th<strong>in</strong>k the<br />
issue of fears c<strong>an</strong> be<br />
addressed such that<br />
every Nigeri<strong>an</strong> feels<br />
secure <strong>in</strong> <strong>an</strong>y part of the<br />
country?<br />
The issue of security<br />
of lives <strong>an</strong>d property<br />
should be allowed to be<br />
h<strong>an</strong>dled by the<br />
constituted authority<br />
(the Federal<br />
Government). Once you<br />
allow ethnic bigots to<br />
take over the<br />
responsibility of the<br />
constituted authority, we<br />
may be <strong>in</strong> d<strong>an</strong>ger of<br />
creat<strong>in</strong>g a monster that will be<br />
difficult to control.<br />
Timel<strong>in</strong>e<br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 9: South-West governors launch Amotekun <strong>in</strong> I<strong>bad</strong><strong>an</strong>, Oyo State capital<br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 10: Justice M<strong>in</strong>ister Malami declares outfit illegal<br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 10: Chairm<strong>an</strong> of South-West Governors Forum counters Malami’s claim<br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 19: Yoruba World Congress <strong>an</strong>nounce protest pl<strong>an</strong><br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 21: Pro-Amotekun rallies across South-Western states<br />
•J<strong>an</strong>uary 23: FG, South-West governors strike deal<br />
Objectives<br />
•Zero toler<strong>an</strong>ce for crime <strong>in</strong> South-West<br />
•Collaborat<strong>in</strong>g with the police <strong>an</strong>d other security agencies to fight crime<br />
Personnel<br />
•Local hunters, members of vigil<strong>an</strong>te groups<br />
•Members of the Nigeri<strong>an</strong> Security <strong>an</strong>d Civil Defence corps<br />
•Members of OPC<br />
•1, 320 militiamen<br />
Weapons<br />
D<strong>an</strong>e guns