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pankisSi ganviTarebul movle-<br />
nebTan dakavSirebiT mediasa da<br />
socialur qselebSi araerTi mosazreba<br />
gamoiTqva. `qronika+~ gTa-<br />
vazobT intervius JurnalistTan<br />
da analitikos daTo gamcemliZesTan,<br />
romelic miiCnevs, rom `he-<br />
sis mSenebloba~ sababi iyo qarT-<br />
uli saxelmwifos dasamcireblad.<br />
_ mxolod hesis mSeneblobis<br />
gamo daiZaba viTareba pankisSi da<br />
es dapirispireba moxda, Tu sxva<br />
mizezebic aris?<br />
_ hesis mSenebloba mxolod sababia.<br />
is, rac pankisis xeobaSi moxda,<br />
aris amJamindeli xelisuflebis<br />
TvalsaCino, yvelaze didi marcxi<br />
2012 wlis Semdeg. araferi ise<br />
ar anadgurebs mmarTvel gunds,<br />
rogorc sajarod, xilulad gamoCenili<br />
dabneuloba da sisuste. 2012<br />
wels saakaSvilis mTavroba damarcxda<br />
ara uSualod `cixis kadrebis~<br />
gamo, aramed imis Sedegad, rom<br />
am videokadrTa gamoqveynebis Semdeg<br />
igi aSkarad daibna da sisuste<br />
gamoiCina xalxis TvalSi.<br />
bunebrivia, am SemTxvevaSi `ocnebis~<br />
xelisuflebam gamaognebeli<br />
araprofesionalizmi, gauTvleloba<br />
da arakompetenturoba gamoamJRavna,<br />
magram bevrad samwuxaro,<br />
arsebiTi da mniSvnelovani isaa,<br />
rom ara mxolod konkretuli<br />
mTavroba damarcxda, aramed damarcxda<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifoc!<br />
_ Zalian mkacri Sefasebaa, ras<br />
gulisxmob?<br />
_ aRmoCnda, rom saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos suvereniteti ar vrceldeba<br />
qveynis kidev erT teritoriaze!<br />
mecnierebi Sua saukuneebidan<br />
msjeloben da kamaToben imaze, ra<br />
aris suvereniteti. Cemi azriT, yvelaze<br />
zusti formula Semdegia:<br />
`suvereniteti aris xelisuflebisa<br />
da Zalauflebis erToba qveynis<br />
mTel teritoriaze~. anu suvereniteti<br />
aris saxelmwifos unari,<br />
qveynis teritoriaze nebismier SemTxvevaSi<br />
ganaxorcielos Zalaufleba,<br />
e. i. SeinarCunos saxelmwifos<br />
mTavari Tviseba: `monopolia<br />
Zalaze~.<br />
es imas niSnavs, rom saxelmwifom<br />
Tu miiRo gadawyvetileba, man es<br />
gadawyvetileba aucileblad unda<br />
ganaxorcielos. Tu ver axorcielebs,<br />
Tu masTan dapirispirebuli<br />
Zala ufro `Ronieri~ aRmo-<br />
Cnda, sajarod daamcira da daCagra,<br />
es saxelmwifo aRar aris!<br />
zogierTs parizis movlenebi<br />
mohyavs magaliTad: `ra moxda mere<br />
_ ai, naxeT, iqac xdeba Setakebebi<br />
policiasa da demonstrantebs<br />
Soris, orive mxridan arian daSavebulni,<br />
zogjer policia ukanac<br />
ixevs da a. S~.<br />
_ realurad xom asea, sa-<br />
frangeTis xelisuflebam ukve<br />
ramdeni xania, veraferi mouxerxa<br />
`yviTel Jiletebs~...<br />
_ ara, batono, is rac pankisSi<br />
moxda, Cven Tvalwin, sul sxvaa da<br />
ai, ratom: frangi `yviTeli Jiletebi~<br />
amJamad boboqar protests<br />
gamoTqvamen imis gamo, rom miliardi<br />
evro gamoiyo `RvTismSoblis<br />
taZris~ aRsadgenad maSin, roca<br />
`uamravi adamiani SimSilobs, usaxlkarodaa~<br />
da a. S. protestis gamosaxatavad<br />
isini awyoben demonstraciebs,<br />
arbeven maRaziebs, qvebs<br />
esvrian policias, iyeneben `molo-<br />
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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
`maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />
ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau<br />
armaz metreveli<br />
tovis koqteilebs~, policiac iyenebs<br />
Zalas da a. S.<br />
magram, aba, erTi gabedon am<br />
`yviTelma Jiletebma~ da fizikuri<br />
ZaliT scadon, xeli SeuSalon saxelmwifos<br />
gadawyvetilebas, aRadginos<br />
taZari, anu alya Seamoartyan<br />
notr-dams, ar SeuSvan iq restavratorebi<br />
da a. S.<br />
garwmunebT, am SemTxvevaSi safrangeTis<br />
saxelmwifo mTel mis<br />
suverenul Zlevamosilebas gamoiyenebs,<br />
raTa ar dauSvas saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
umweobis demonstrireba,<br />
misi rogorc saxelmwifos<br />
damcireba da uZlurebis sajaro<br />
dadasrtureba, miRebuli gadawyvetilebis<br />
sajarod verSesruleba<br />
uRonobis gamo, anu, mTlianoba-<br />
Si, suverenitetis darRveva. ukve<br />
miRebuli gadawyvetilebis `verSesruleba~<br />
aris saxelmwifoebriobis<br />
ngrevis dasawyisi da suverenitetis<br />
eliminacia, radgan mecnierebi<br />
imaze ki msjeloben dRemde,<br />
Tu ra aris suvereniteti, magram<br />
erTze arian SeTanxmebulni:<br />
`sanaxevro~ an `nawilobrivi~ suvereniteti<br />
ar arsebobs. suvereniteti<br />
an arsebobs mTlianad, ganuyoflad,<br />
an ar arsebobs mTlianad~.<br />
es aris misi arsi.<br />
zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />
misi suverenitetis<br />
SebRalvas isaxavdnen miznad<br />
pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
Zalebi, romlebic<br />
xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas,<br />
maT Soris, loialur,<br />
patriot moqalaqeebs iyeneben `cocxal<br />
masalad~ antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
miznis gansaxorcieleblad.<br />
ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi moqmedebdnen<br />
kadirovis CeCneTisa da maSasadame<br />
ruseTis `zurgiT~.<br />
vimeoreb: maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod<br />
damcireba, misi sajarod, Tvalsa-<br />
Cinod damarcxeba am regionSi, sajarod,<br />
demonstraciulad abuCad<br />
agdeba. xolo `hesis mSenebloba~,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, sababia. ar<br />
iqneboda `hesi~? _ sxva sababs ipovidnen.<br />
adre Tu gvian, aucileblad<br />
ipovidnen, raki am ZalTa mizani<br />
iyo saqarTvelos saxelmwifos,<br />
rogorc aseTis, dasja misi<br />
damcireba-abuCad agdebiT.<br />
samwuxarod, am borot mizans<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivma Zalebma<br />
srulad miaRwies: saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />
sajarod daamcires, abuCad<br />
aigdes, am teritoriaze misi<br />
suverenitetis ararseboba daadastures.<br />
_ faqtia, rom saxelmwifom, am<br />
SemTxvevaSi, policiam, ar gamoiy-<br />
ena mTeli Tavisi Zala...<br />
_ rac Seexeba am mosazrebas,<br />
rom `saqarTvelos saxelmwifom ar<br />
gamoiyena mTeli Tavisi Zala, Tor-<br />
_ iqneb, daakonkreto, ras<br />
gulisxmob?<br />
_ ratomRac, yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />
rom pankisis xeoba swored is regionia,<br />
sadac arsebobs `politikuri<br />
islamis~, `religiuri fanatizmis~,<br />
`vahabizmisa~ da `salafizmis~<br />
ukiduresad radikaluri mimarTulebebis<br />
Zalze seriozuli<br />
problema; aseve yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />
rom am regionidan uamravi<br />
eqstremisti gaemgzavra Savbneli<br />
`islamuri saxelmwifos~ droSis<br />
qveS saomrad. am mxriv, lamis, msoflio<br />
liderebi arian da im teroristuli<br />
`saxelmwifos~ Zalismieri<br />
`stafic~ daakompleqtes `Tavdacvis<br />
ministridan~ dawyebuli;<br />
yvelas `daaviwyda~, rom pankisis<br />
xeoba, arc Tu ise didi xnis win,<br />
CeCnuri samoqalaqo separatizmis<br />
erT-erTi centri iyo da iq jer<br />
kidev ruslan gilaevis epoqidan _<br />
frTxilad vityvi _ aRuricxavi<br />
iaraRis problemac arsebobs; aseve<br />
aravin miaqcia yuradReba, rom<br />
rodesac CeCnurma samoqalaqo separatizmma,<br />
ramzan kadirovis saxiT,<br />
miaRwia istoriul kompromiss kremlTan<br />
da mis `Cafrad~ iqca (gavixsenoT,<br />
ramdeni CeCeni ibrZoda<br />
donbasze ukrainis winaaRmdeg), es<br />
kompromisi pankisis xeobasac exeboda,<br />
anu pankiseli elitebic SeuerTnen<br />
am putin-kadirovis istoriul<br />
kompromiss da ramzan kadirovis,<br />
maSasadame, kremlis loialurni<br />
gaxdnen.<br />
groznosa da moskovSi ki yuradRebiT<br />
adevnebdnen Tvalyurs<br />
procesebs. adgilobriv mosaxleobas,<br />
adamianuri da sxva kontaqtebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT, CeCneTTan, e. i.<br />
ruseTTan, ufro mWidro kontaqti<br />
aqvs, vidre danarCen saqarTve-<br />
daTo gamcemliZe:<br />
`ar iqneboda `hesi~?<br />
_ sxva sababs<br />
ipovidnen. adre Tu<br />
gvian, aucileblad<br />
ipovidnen...~<br />
`zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />
misi suverenitetis SebRalvas isaxavdnen<br />
miznad pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivi Zalebi, romlebic<br />
xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas, maT<br />
Soris, loialur, patriot moqalaqeebs<br />
iyeneben `cocxal masalad~<br />
antisaxelmwifoebrivi miznis<br />
gansaxorcieleblad. ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi<br />
moqmedebdnen kadirovis CeCneTisa da<br />
maSasadame ruseTis `zurgiT~<br />
em...~ _ es Cven ar viciT: Tu saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifo met Zalas<br />
gamoiyenebda, maSin mowinaaRmdege<br />
antisaxelmwifoebriv Zalebsac Se-<br />
ZloT, `meti Zala~ gamoeyenebinaT.<br />
aki gviTxres pirdapir eTerSi: Tu<br />
rezinis tyviebis srolas ganagr-<br />
Zoben, qvebis nacvlad SeiZleba,<br />
Cvengan sxva ramec wamovideso.<br />
anu vimeoreb, _ Cven ar viciT,<br />
SeZlebda Tu ara saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />
Tavisi suverenitetis<br />
ganxorcielebas, e. i. miRebuli<br />
gadawyvetilebis ganxorcielebas<br />
Tu met Zalas gamoiyenebda, radgan<br />
`met Zalas~ SeiZleba `meti<br />
Zala~ dapirispireboda, rogorc<br />
dagvemuqren.<br />
_ anu ra xdeba?<br />
_ dRevandeli mdgomareobiT<br />
Cven zustad mxolod is viciT, rac<br />
TvalnaTliv vnaxeT: saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifom miiRo gadawyvetileba<br />
da am gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba<br />
fizikurad ver SeZlo, raki<br />
Zala ar eyo! morCa! es imas niSnavs,<br />
rom iq saqarTvelos suvereniteti<br />
ar vrceldeba.<br />
_ sruliad legitimuria dRev-<br />
andeli mTavrobis kritika: rom<br />
ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau-<br />
Tvleli, arakompetenturi qmedebebi,<br />
e. i., rom ara mcdeloba, ae-<br />
Senebina hesi, arc araferi moxde-<br />
boda...<br />
_ ki batono, magram amiT arsi<br />
ar icvleba: ubralod, sajarod ar<br />
dadasturdeboda is, rac am movlenebis<br />
Sedegad `gamoCnda~ da Cven<br />
ase TvalsaCinod, ase TvalanTliv<br />
ver davinaxavdiT sazarel realobas:<br />
am teritoriaze saqarTvelos<br />
suvereniteti ar vrceldeba. Sesabamisad,<br />
iurisdiqciac vrceldeba,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, imdenad, ramdenadac<br />
mas, jerjerobiT, `nebas<br />
rTaven~ xsenebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />
Zalebi, romlebic adgilobriv<br />
mSvidobian mosaxleobas<br />
`iyeneben~. vTqvaT ase _ `politkoreqtulad~,<br />
`hesi~ ki namdvilad sababia<br />
da ara _ mizezi. miT umetes<br />
mizani.<br />
_ pankisTan da ganviTarebul<br />
movlenebTan dakavSirebiT gaisma:<br />
ruseTi, ruseTumeebi. ramdenad<br />
realuria ruseTis interesebi<br />
xeobaSi?<br />
_ xsenebuli gegmis, e. i.<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifos sajarod<br />
dasamcireblad, saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifoze Suris saZieblad, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />
Zalebs pankisis<br />
xeobaSi aucileblad sWirdebodaT<br />
da rogorc yovelTvis,<br />
brwyinvaled gamoiyenes Cveneburi<br />
`sasargeblo idiotebi~. zogadad,<br />
`sasargeblo idiotTa~ legioni,<br />
romelic saqarTveloSi, tradiciulad,<br />
Zalze mravalricxovania, am<br />
qveynis yvelaze didi ubedurebaa<br />
damoukideblobis dRidan _ dRemde.<br />
zogierT komentars rom vusmen,<br />
amaSi sabolood vrwmundebi.<br />
14 N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.
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