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koka wereTeli<br />
msoflio sapatriarqosa da<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiaSi mimdinare procesebze<br />
`qronika+~ Teologs, profesor<br />
goCa barnovs esaubra:<br />
_ didi dro ar darCa, rac<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis sinodis sxdoma unda<br />
gaimarTos _ tradiciisamebr, es<br />
ivnisSi xdeba, Tu sapatriarqo<br />
sxdomas gaurkveveli mizeziT ar<br />
gadadebs. ra informacias<br />
flobT: sapatriarqoSi ukrainis<br />
eklesiisTvis gadacemuli tomosis<br />
kiTxva grZeldeba, dasrul-<br />
da Tu jerac ar waukiTxavT?<br />
_ pirveli msoflio saeklesio<br />
krebis me-5 kanonis Tanaxmad, sinodis<br />
sxdoma weliwadSi orjer<br />
unda Catardes: erTi didmarxvamde<br />
da meore Semodgomaze, garda<br />
imisa, Tu raime sagangebo viTareba<br />
ar Seiqmna, ris gamoc sagangebo<br />
krebas iwveven.<br />
is, rom saqarTvelos eklesiis<br />
sinodis sxdoma ivnisSi unda gaimarTos,<br />
CemTvis cnobili araa. rac<br />
Seexeba ukrainis eklesiisTvis gadacemuli<br />
tomosis kiTxvis process,<br />
esec ucnobia Tu ra stadiaSia,<br />
Tumca sulac ar saWiroebs<br />
did dros tomosis Sinaarsis gacnoba<br />
da misi gaanalizeba.<br />
_ msoflio patriarqis mier<br />
ukrainis eklesiisTvis avtokefaliis<br />
miniWebis Semdeg ra tendenciebi<br />
ikveTeba am mima-<br />
rTulebiT marTlmadideblur<br />
samyaroSi?<br />
_ ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
tomosTan dakavSirebiT<br />
sxvadasxva mosazreba arsebobs.<br />
ramdenime eklesiis meTaurma mosazreba<br />
gamoTqva, romelic, ZiriTadad,<br />
Tavisi SinaarsiT raime<br />
eWvs konstantinopolis gadawyvetilebasTan<br />
mimarTebiT ar avlens.<br />
Tu mxedvelobaSi ar miviRebT<br />
albaneTis eklesiis mTavarepiskopos<br />
anastasiosis werils<br />
msoflio patriarq barTlomeosisTvis,<br />
sadac, yvelasTvis gasakvirad,<br />
anastasiosi uaryofiT<br />
pozicias avlens konstantinopolis<br />
gadawyvetilebisadmi.<br />
_ rogorc vici, am werils<br />
msoflio patriarqma upasuxa.<br />
_ diax, am werils barTlomeosis<br />
sapasuxo _ damajerebeli argumentebiT<br />
savse werili moyva,<br />
romelic kanonikuri samarTlis<br />
erT-erT saukeTeso nimuSad aRiares.<br />
_ ramdenad misaRebi aRmoCnda<br />
msoflio patriarqis argumentebi<br />
albaneTis mTavarepiskopo-<br />
sisTvis?<br />
_ msoflio patriarqis werils<br />
moyva albaneTis mTavarepiskoposis<br />
pasuxi, sadac is ambobs, rom<br />
Tu, yovel SemTxvevaSi, moxdeba<br />
sqizma, is aucileblad msoflio<br />
sapatriarqos mxares daiWers, es<br />
adasturebs msoflio sapatriarqos<br />
qmedebebis kanonikurobis<br />
siswores. garda amisa, gamoqveynda<br />
eladis eklesiis erT-erTi<br />
gamoCenili Teologis, mitropolit<br />
ieroTeos vlaxosis epistole<br />
eladis eklesiis sinodisadmi,<br />
sadac is marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
kanonikuri samarTlis<br />
principebze dayrdnobiT warmoaCens<br />
konstantinopolis eklesiis<br />
mier ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />
gamocxadebis kanonikur<br />
siswores.<br />
_ dainteresebuli pirebis<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
yuradReba miipyro ramdenime<br />
dRis win kviprosSi gamarTulma<br />
Sexvedram. ras gvetyviT misi<br />
Sedegebis Sesaxeb?<br />
_ marTlac, sakmaod mniSvnelovani<br />
Sexvedra gaimarTa kviprosis<br />
mTavarepiskopos qrizostomosis<br />
TaosnobiT. erTmaneTs<br />
Sexvdnen prezvigenuli (prezvigenuli,<br />
presvigenuli berZnuli<br />
sityvaa da niSnavs uZveless anu<br />
pentarqiul sapatriarqoebs: romi,<br />
konstantinopoli, aleqsandria,<br />
antioqia, ierusalimi, _<br />
avt.) sapatriarqoebis _ aleqsandriis,<br />
antioqiisa da ierusalimis<br />
meTaurebi, romelTa erTobliv<br />
gancxadebaSi aSkarad SeimCneva<br />
konstantinopolis gadawyvetilebisadmi<br />
dadebiTi ganwyoba da<br />
eWvis natamalic ar Cans am gadawyvetilebis<br />
sisworeSi. eklesiis<br />
meTaurebi mTavarepiskopos qrizostomoss<br />
mouwodeben, saSuamavlo<br />
qmedebebi ganagrZos warmoSobili<br />
krizisis dasaZlevad,<br />
raTa marTlmadidebel eklesiaSi<br />
sqizma ar moxdes.<br />
_ marTalia, cota Znelia Ria<br />
karis mtvreva, Tumca saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqo da misi spikerebi<br />
Riad Tu farulad tomosis<br />
teqstze saubrisas safrTxeebze<br />
miuTiTeben, romelic Sesa-<br />
Zloa, gadawyvetilebas moyves.<br />
anu imas, rom ukrainis eklesiis<br />
aRiarebis SemTxvevaSi ruseTma<br />
SesaZloa, afxazeTis eklesiis av-<br />
tokefalia aRiaros, xolo araR-<br />
iarebis SemTxvevaSi igive gaakeTos<br />
msoflio sapatriarqom. mar-<br />
Talia, sakiTxSi Rrmad Caxeduli<br />
pirebisTvis gasagebia orive sak-<br />
iTxis konteqsti, magram kidev<br />
erTxel ganvmartoT, ratom aSantaJebs<br />
am `mosalodneli SedegebiT~<br />
sapatriarqo qarTul sa-<br />
zogadoebas?<br />
_ rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, romelzedac<br />
xSirad saubroben saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqos spikerebi<br />
Tu warmomadgenlebi, kerZod,<br />
ukrainis eklesiis aRiarebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi SesaZloa, ruseTma afxazeTis<br />
eklesiis avtokefalia<br />
aRiaros, xolo araRiarebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi igive gaakeTos msoflio<br />
sapatriarqom, yovelgvar kanoni-<br />
`saqarTvelos<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqma,<br />
saqarTveloSi stumrad<br />
myof romis paps<br />
mimarTa: `qristesmier<br />
sayvarelo Zmao,<br />
RmerTma dalocos<br />
Cveni ori eklesia~<br />
goCa barnovi:<br />
`konstantinopolis<br />
sapatriarqo nabijs ar<br />
gadadgams saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiisa da<br />
saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg~<br />
kur safuZvelsaa moklebuli. er-<br />
TaderTi eklesia, romelsac msoflio<br />
krebebis kanonebis safuZvelze<br />
aqvs ufleba, avtokefaliis<br />
tomosi misces romelime eklesias,<br />
aris konstantinopolis sapatriarqo.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tuki Cven<br />
vaRiarebT ukrainis eklesiis avtokefalias<br />
da sapasuxod ruse-<br />
Ti aRiarebs afxazeTis eklesiis<br />
avtokefalias, es iqneba misi mxridan,<br />
saeklesio kanonebis mixedviT<br />
absurduli gadawyvetileba. garda<br />
amisa aRvniSnav, rom msoflio<br />
sapatriarqo saerTod ar ganixilavs<br />
afxazeTis avtokefaliis sakiTxs,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom masTan<br />
ramdenjerme stumrobdnen afxazeTis<br />
e. w. eklesiis sasuliero<br />
pirebi.<br />
_ am stumrobebs mavanni msoflio<br />
patriarqis saqarTvelosad-<br />
mi arakeTilganwyobad naTlaven...<br />
_ msoflio patriarqi, rogorc<br />
marTlmadidebelTa msoflio<br />
lideri, valdebulia, yvela<br />
miiRos da yvela saCivars mousminos.<br />
barTlomeoss arasodes daufiqsirebia<br />
raime pozicia afxaze-<br />
Tis avtokefaliasTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
is, rom igi afxazeTs saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis iurisdiqciaSi<br />
ganixilavs, iqidanac Cans, rom is<br />
saqarTvelos patriarqs mudam<br />
moixseniebs cxum-afxazeTis mitropolitad,<br />
rasac arasodes ake-<br />
Tebs moskovis patriarqi. dabolos,<br />
rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania,<br />
miuxedavad arsebuli safrTxeebisa,<br />
saqarTvelos eklesia da aseve<br />
yvela sxva eklesiac, ukrainis<br />
eklesiis avtokefaliasTan mimarTebiT,<br />
simarTlis mxares unda<br />
dadges, rac avtokefaliis aRiarebiT<br />
gamoixateba.<br />
_ sapatriarqos warmomadgenelTa<br />
mxridan gaisma aseTi mosazrebac:<br />
ukrainis eklesiis av-<br />
tokefaliis konteqstSi proble-<br />
mas warmoadgens gankveTilTa<br />
xarisxSi dabrunebao. ramdenad<br />
wonadia es argumenti?<br />
_ gankveTilTa an anaTemirebulTa<br />
xarisxSi dabrunebis problemasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT Teologiur<br />
sait www.palamacentre.com-ze<br />
gamoqveynda msoflio sapatriarqos<br />
erT-erTi mRvdelmTavris,<br />
anqialosis episkopos vasilis argumentirebuli<br />
da sakmaod vrceli<br />
statia, romelic daiwera XIX<br />
saukuneSi da amJamad msoflio sapatriarqom<br />
gaavrcela. am epistoleSi<br />
naTlad aris warmoCenili<br />
mTeli istoriuli magaliTebis<br />
safuZvelze da kanonikurad<br />
gaanalizebulia msgavsi SemTxvevebi,<br />
romelic ganviTarda eklesiis<br />
istoriaSi, dawyebuli<br />
aTanase didis epoqidan, vidre<br />
dRemde _ XX saukuneSi bulgare-<br />
Tis sqizmamde.<br />
_ da ras gveubneba es isto-<br />
riuli magaliTebi?<br />
_ am istoriul magaliTebSi<br />
kargad Cans, rom eklesiis wiaRSi,<br />
krebiTi formis meSveobiT, xSirad<br />
xdeboda gankveTilTa an anaTemirebulTa<br />
mier xeldasxmulebis<br />
miReba eklesiaSi da is arasodes<br />
warmoadgenda raime damabrkolebel<br />
garemoebas.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ samRvdelo xarisxiT miRebis<br />
safuZvels warmoadgens naTlobis<br />
saidumlo, romlis Sesaxebac<br />
saubroben meore msoflio krebis<br />
me-7 da trulis msoflio saeklesio<br />
krebis 95-e kanonebi, sadac<br />
gansazRvrulia eretikosebis mier<br />
monaTlulTa miRebis wesi eklesiaSi.<br />
sqizmatebis swored amgvari<br />
wesiT SemoerTeba araTu<br />
msoflio sapatriarqosTvis, aramed<br />
Tavad ruseTis eklesiisTvisac<br />
araa ucxo.<br />
_ magaliTad?<br />
_ magaliTad, 2007 wels, 70-<br />
wliani sqizmis Semdeg, ruseTis<br />
marTlmadidebelma eklesiam, yovelgvari<br />
garTulebis gareSe, saeklesio<br />
erTobaSi miiRo ROCORis<br />
wevrebi. ai, ras wers msoflio<br />
patriarqi barTlomeosi am sakiTxTan<br />
dakavSirebiT albaneTis<br />
mTavarepiskopos anastasioss:<br />
`rogor Seiwynara ruseTis eklesiam<br />
sqizmaSi myofi ROCOR-is wevrebi<br />
da miiRo evqaristiul kav-<br />
SirSi _ xelaxali naTlobiT Tu<br />
xeldasxmiT?~<br />
_ ise, gankveTaze gamaxsenda, _<br />
ra argumentebiT inarCunebs saq-<br />
arTvelos sapatriarqo sakuTar<br />
`Svilebad~ da ar gankveTs afxaz-<br />
eTSi moRvawe sasuliero pirebs,<br />
romlebic mas ar aRiareben da<br />
Riad TanamSromloben ruseTis<br />
eklesiasTan, metic: moqmedeben<br />
saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiisa da qarTuli saxelmwi-<br />
fos sazianod?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis mxridan sruli umoqmedoba<br />
afxazeTSi moRvawe sasuliero<br />
pirebTan dakavSirebiT gaumarTlebelia.<br />
msgavs viTarebaSi,<br />
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