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saxeebiT verafers gaxdeba!~<br />
ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />
_ gasagebia, magram isev im Te-<br />
mas vubrundebi, riTac interviu<br />
daviwyeT _ organizaciis gaaqti-<br />
urebamde rom visaubreT, sul<br />
sxva energia gqondaT da `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelozec~ did imeds am-<br />
yarebdiT...<br />
_ dResac igive energia maqvs.<br />
ubralod, davinaxe, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ is aklda, razec gesaubreT,<br />
anu vfiqrobdi, rom axali<br />
saxeebi iqnebodnen, magram, jerjerobiT,<br />
es axali saxeebi ar arian,<br />
piriqiT.<br />
_ mec mand var, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebis na-<br />
krebia. hoda, axal saxeebze maSin<br />
ar unda gefiqraT, vidre filar-<br />
moniaSi SeikribebodiT da moZraobas<br />
gacocxlebulad gamoacx-<br />
adebdiT?<br />
_ ki batono, Zalian legitimuri<br />
kiTxvaa... me es sakiTxi davsvi, magram<br />
axali saxeebi, jerjerobiT,<br />
ar arian, Tumca amis survili<br />
moZraobis wevrebs aqvT.<br />
_ is momentic xom ar iyo, rom<br />
axalma saxeebma `daicavi saqarTve-<br />
losTan~ komunikaciaze uari<br />
Tqves? ise, axal saxeebs `ocnebac~<br />
eZebs, magram irakli RaribaSil-<br />
isa da lado kaxaZis meti veravin<br />
ipova.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram Sen xom unda<br />
izruno?<br />
_ anu vinmes SesTavazeT da<br />
uari miiReT?<br />
_ SeTavazeba, ra Tqma unda,<br />
gvqonda. es moZraoba, darwmunebuli<br />
var, axal saxeebs aucileblad<br />
moizidavs. Cemi gadawyvetilebiT<br />
amis impulsi miveci da aq gaugebari<br />
ra aris?<br />
_ kargi, yvelaferi gasagebia,<br />
magram Tu axal saxed, magaliTad,<br />
vato SaqaraSvils miiCnevT, am<br />
Temaze saubris gagrZeleba, mgo-<br />
ni, arc Rirs.<br />
_ aqcents im axalgazrdebze<br />
vakeTeb, romlebsac mec vicnob da<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ sxva wevrebic<br />
icnoben.<br />
Cemi gancxadebac swored aqeTken<br />
iyo mimarTuli, _ ki batono,<br />
Zveli moZraoba da misi Zveli wevrebi,<br />
romlebmac yvelaferi es daviwyeT,<br />
gasagebia, magram axali saxeebi<br />
da maTiT `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
ganaxleba aucilebelia-meTqi.<br />
es iyo Cemi gancxadebis motivacia<br />
da es nabijic amitom gadavdgi.<br />
gaugebari ra aris?<br />
`mTavari is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />
kalTas amofarebulma mixeil saakaSvilma<br />
samegreloSi saimiso placdarmi Seqmnas, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos da<br />
xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes! ~<br />
_ gaugebari, weRandeli Tqmisa<br />
ar iyos, araferia, magram legit-<br />
imuri kiTxvebi Cndeba.<br />
_ ki batono, magram Tqvens kiTxvebs<br />
ukve vupasuxe:<br />
pirveli _ `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
ukan biZina ivaniSvili ar<br />
dgas.<br />
meore _ isini, vinc dRes `daicavi<br />
saqarTveloSi~ brZandebian,<br />
Zveli saxeebi arian. maT movuwode<br />
da Tavadac dameTanxmnen, rom axali<br />
saxeebia saWiro. axal Taobas<br />
asparezs imitom vuTmob, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebiT<br />
da moZraobis Zveli wesebiT verafers<br />
gaxdeba. axali saxeebia<br />
saWiro.<br />
rac Seexeba biZina ivaniSvils, is<br />
giTxariT, rac vici, rac vnaxe da<br />
rogorc daviwyeT `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~ gacocxleba _ am proces-<br />
Si ivaniSvili ar monawileobda da<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan ivaniSvili<br />
ar dgas! meti ra giTxraT?<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~ filarmoniaSi gamarTul<br />
Sekrebas levan gaCeCilaZe ar daeswro.<br />
is Tqveni megobaria. mogex-<br />
senebaT, eSmakebi detalebSi sxed-<br />
an, anu levan gaCeCilaZe yrilo-<br />
bas ar eswreba, yrilobidan meore<br />
Tu mesame dRes ki moZraobas<br />
Tqven tovebT. yvelaferi es ubra-<br />
lo damTxvevaa da meti araferi?<br />
_ Sekrebis dResac vTqvi da<br />
axlac gavimeoeb, rom levan gaCe-<br />
CilaZem axlaxan operacia gaikeTa<br />
_ avadaa. im dilas levans pirdad<br />
velaparake da miTxra, SeuZlod<br />
var da ver movdivaro. me arafers<br />
vmalav da Jurnalistebsac vuTxari<br />
amis Sesaxeb!<br />
_ anu gaCeCilaZe avad rom ar<br />
yofiliyo, 13 aprils filarmoni-<br />
aSi movidoda?<br />
_ diax, is `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
erT-erTi lideri da damfuZnebeli<br />
iyo. sxvaTa Soris, Jurnalistebma<br />
zaza SaTiriSvilzec<br />
mkiTxes, magram masze araferi vicodi<br />
_ masTan kontaqti ar mqonda.<br />
levanma ki is miTxra, rac Jurnalistebs<br />
vuTxari.<br />
_ sanam filarmoniaSi Seikribe-<br />
bodiT, ambobdiT, rom `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelos~ gacocxlebam `nacqocebis~<br />
botebis gaRizianeba gam-<br />
oiwvia. maSin imasac imedovnebdiT,<br />
rom es dakonservebuli organizacia<br />
qarTul politikas aaduRebda,<br />
magram ase ar moxda. metic, fi-<br />
larmoniis Sekrebis mere erTi<br />
gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia. Tqve-<br />
ni azriT, `daicavi saqarTvelom~<br />
iseTi ra SeiZleba gaakeTos, rac<br />
politikas, anu am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
`ocnebasac~ da `nacmoZraobasac~<br />
simSvide daurRvios?<br />
_ ar vici, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
qarTul politikur speqtrs ras<br />
SesTavazebs, magram sanam qarTul<br />
politikur speqtrs rame siaxles<br />
SesTavazebs, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
TviTon unda ganaxldes da siaxle,<br />
SeiZleba, amis Semdeg SesTavazos!<br />
is, rom `qoc-nacuri~ jado wridan<br />
unda gamovideT, axali ar aris<br />
da am ideaSi daTo maRraZes veTanxmebi,<br />
magram vnaxoT, moqmedebis<br />
gegma rogori iqneba da sazogadoebas<br />
axals ras SesTavazebs.<br />
_ erTi sityviT, darwmunebuli<br />
xarT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
axali saxeebiT gamdidrdeba da am<br />
axali saxeebis wyalobiT mesame<br />
politikuri centris formirebas<br />
SeZlebs?<br />
_ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />
politikuri centris formirebas<br />
damoukideblad, jerjerobiT, ver<br />
SeZlebs. `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />
centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />
politikur speqtrTan er-<br />
Tad Seqmnis.<br />
_ ise Tu moxda da zugdidis<br />
meris arCevnebSi gaerTianebuli<br />
opoziciis kandidati, sandra rulovsi<br />
gaimarjvebs, es xom erTgvari<br />
signali iqneba, rom sazoga-<br />
doebas aRarc `ocneba~ unda,<br />
aRarc _ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ da<br />
mzadaa, xelisuflebaSi `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~ da misi partnio-<br />
ri partiebi moiyvanos?<br />
_ Tu zugdidis arCevnebSi gaer-<br />
Tianebuli opoziciis kandidati<br />
gaimarjvebs, pirdapir geubnebiT:<br />
es katastrofa iqneba!<br />
_ ukacravad, Tu xalxi sandra<br />
rulovsis sasargeblod gaakeTebs<br />
arCevans, es katastrofa ratom<br />
iqneba? liderebi xalxze maRla<br />
ratom dgebiT?<br />
_ ara, xalxze maRla ar vdgebi!<br />
ra ufleba maqvs, rom xalxze maRla<br />
davdge?<br />
Tu es xalxis arCevani iqneba da<br />
sandra rulovsi zugdidis meri<br />
gaxdeba, es qveynisa da sazogadoebis<br />
ganviTarebisTvis, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom xalxi miscems xmas, katastrofa<br />
iqneba imitom, rom sandra<br />
rulovsisTvis da, saerTod, `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobisTvis~ zugdidis<br />
meroba meorexarisxovania. mTavari<br />
is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />
kalTas amofarebulma mixeil<br />
saakaSvilma samegreloSi saimiso<br />
placdarmi Seqmnas, rom biZina<br />
ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos<br />
da xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes!<br />
aq sxva motivacias ver vxedav da<br />
arc arsebobs. amitom vambob, rom<br />
es qarTuli saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebisTvis<br />
katastrofa iqneba,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom sandras<br />
xalxi miscems xmas!<br />
mokled, zugdidis sazogadoebas<br />
movuwodeb, rom es ar dauSvas<br />
_ im warsulSi dabruneba, romelsac<br />
momavali ar uweria, ar SeiZleba!<br />
mimaCnia, rom `nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba~, mixeil saakaSvili da<br />
sandra rulovsi is warsulia,<br />
romelsac momavali ar gaaCnia!<br />
kidev erTi mTavari sakiTxi,<br />
romelzedac weRan visaubreT: sandra<br />
rulovsis zugdidSi gamarjveba<br />
mesame politikuri centris<br />
erovnul ideas saerTod daasamarebs,<br />
anu arCevani isev `nacionalur<br />
moZraobasa~ da `qarTul ocnebas~<br />
Soris darCeba da isev am<br />
jado wreSi vitrialebT!<br />
_ rac Seexeba `daicavi saqar-<br />
Tvelos~, Cveni gamocemis mTavar-<br />
ma redaqtorma, eliso kilaZem,<br />
eqskluziuri infrmacia gaavrce-<br />
la, romlis Tanaxmadac, aw ukve<br />
Tqveni organizaciis filarmoni-<br />
is Sekreba `kanonierma qurdebma~<br />
daafinanses. eliso kilaZem eka be-<br />
seliasa da erT-erTi kriminalis<br />
erToblivi fotoc gamoaqveyna..<br />
_ warmoidgineT, rom amis Sesaxeb<br />
presiT gavigeT. yvela Jurnalists<br />
vuTxari da Tqvenc geubnebiT,<br />
rom `daicavi saqarTvelos~ am yrilobis<br />
organizebaSi monawileoba<br />
ar mimiRia. amitom ar vici, darbazis<br />
fuli vin gadaixada da, saer-<br />
Tod, ra finansebi iyo saWiro.<br />
ratom ar mivida levan gaCeCilaZe<br />
organizaciis yrilobaze?<br />
_ filarmoniis daqiraveba sak-<br />
maod Zviri siamovnebaa.<br />
_ arc es vici da SegiZliaT, im<br />
adamianebs hkiTxoT, vinc es gaakeTa.<br />
_ yrilobis organizebaSi<br />
monawileoba ratom ar miiReT?<br />
_ jer erTi, TbilisSi ar viyavi.<br />
meorec, CemTvis ar ukiTxavT da<br />
arc me miviCnie saWirod, ariqa,<br />
unda vicode, darbazs rogor<br />
qiraobT da am Tanxas vin ixdismeTqi.<br />
_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />
liderSifidan yrilobamde gag-<br />
TiSes?<br />
_ ara, aravis gavuTiSivar. liderebisTvis<br />
rom mekiTxa, ra xdeba-meTqi,<br />
amas gavigebdi, magram,<br />
ubralod, ar davinteresdi.<br />
TbilisSic ar vyofilvar. Zalian<br />
kargad iciT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />
marto zugdidSi funqcionirebda.<br />
yrilobaze zugdididan<br />
megobrebTan erTad Camovedi.<br />
_ mgoni, SemTxveviT ar gausviT<br />
xazi, rom amdeni xnis ganmavloba-<br />
Si `daicavi saqarTvelo~ marto<br />
zugdidSi funqcionirebda. diax,<br />
gidasturebT, rom bolo wuTam-<br />
de am organizacias mxolod Tqven<br />
acocxlebdiT da axla, roca `da-<br />
icavi saqarTvelo~ datoveT, e. i.,<br />
raRac xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, `da-<br />
icavi saqarTvelos~ saakaSvilis<br />
prezidentobis drosac xSirad<br />
tovebdnen wevrebi. 2013 wels ki<br />
mediaSi is informaciac gaJRerda,<br />
rom am organizaciis gacocx-<br />
lebas TiTqos gia xuxaSvili api-<br />
rebda, romelic maSin premier<br />
ivaniSvilis mrCeveli iyo.<br />
_ aseTi raRac ar vici.<br />
_ Tqven ar iciT, magram imas<br />
geubnebiT, rasac qarTuli presis<br />
arqivi inaxavs.<br />
_ ar vici, vin ras ityvis. mgoni,<br />
naTlad agixseniT, is gancxadeba,<br />
romelic gavakeTe, ratomac gavakeTe.<br />
Tqvens kiTxvebsac gulwrfelad<br />
vupasuxe da vnaxoT, movlenebi<br />
`daicavi saqarTvelos~ irgvliv<br />
rogor ganviTardeba.<br />
aseve sainteresoa, qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />
rogor SeZlebs, rom am<br />
jado wridan gamovides. giTxariT,<br />
rom am jado wridan gamosvlis<br />
procesSi aqtiurad miviReb monawileobas.<br />
_ mas Semdeg, rac `daicavi<br />
saqarTvelo~ datoveT, daviT maR-<br />
raZesTan komunikacia gqondaT?<br />
_ diax, erTmaneTs davurekeT.<br />
kidev geubnebiT, iseTi araferi<br />
momxdara. SeiZleba, Jurnalistebsa<br />
da sazogadoebis wevrebs gaukvirdaT,<br />
Torem Cven megobrebi varT,<br />
urTierTobas vagrZelebT.<br />
_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />
rogor fiqrobT, qarTul poli-<br />
tikas ra elis?<br />
_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />
maSin qarTuli politika am jado<br />
wreSi CarCeba da saqarTveloSi<br />
politika sabolood dasruldeba!<br />
yvelafer amiT ki saqarTvelo damarcxdeba<br />
imitom, rom jado wreSi<br />
triali Waobisa da damarcxebis<br />
sawindaria!<br />
qarTuli sazogadoeba rom ganviTardes,<br />
qveyanac ganaviTaros da<br />
ganviTarebis evropul dones miaRwios,<br />
amisTvis saWiroa, rom am<br />
jado wridan amovideT! sxva SemTxvevaSi<br />
gamarjveba ar gviweria!<br />
_ bolos, miTxariT, es jado<br />
wre biZina ivaniSvils ufro awy-<br />
obs Tu mixeil saakaSvils?<br />
_ orives.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ am jado wreSi ori monawile<br />
da subieqtia _ mixeil saakaSvili<br />
da biZina ivaniSvili. isini yovel-<br />
Tvis am jado wreSi itrialeben.<br />
damarcxebuli da pirSi Calagamovlebuli<br />
ki qarTuli saxelmwifo<br />
da sazogadoeba darCeba!<br />
ise, yvelafer amis gamo pesimisturi<br />
ganwyoba maqvs. minda, es qveyana<br />
ganviTardes da CvenTvis uke-<br />
Tesi iqneba, rom evrokavSirisa da<br />
natos wevrebi rac SeiZleba male<br />
gavxdeT. ra Tqma unda, pesimisturad<br />
var ganwyobili, magram momavals<br />
imedis TvaliT Sevyureb!<br />
saerTod, bunebiT pesimisti ar<br />
var. amitom, vimedovneb, qarTuli<br />
sazogadoeba am jado wres daZlevs<br />
da im mizans miaRwevs, razedac<br />
didi xania, vfiqrob.<br />
_ da es mizani ra aris?<br />
_ Rirseuli adgili civilizebul<br />
samyaroSi!<br />
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