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saxeebiT verafers gaxdeba!~<br />

ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />

_ gasagebia, magram isev im Te-<br />

mas vubrundebi, riTac interviu<br />

daviwyeT _ organizaciis gaaqti-<br />

urebamde rom visaubreT, sul<br />

sxva energia gqondaT da `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelozec~ did imeds am-<br />

yarebdiT...<br />

_ dResac igive energia maqvs.<br />

ubralod, davinaxe, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelos~ is aklda, razec gesaubreT,<br />

anu vfiqrobdi, rom axali<br />

saxeebi iqnebodnen, magram, jerjerobiT,<br />

es axali saxeebi ar arian,<br />

piriqiT.<br />

_ mec mand var, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebis na-<br />

krebia. hoda, axal saxeebze maSin<br />

ar unda gefiqraT, vidre filar-<br />

moniaSi SeikribebodiT da moZraobas<br />

gacocxlebulad gamoacx-<br />

adebdiT?<br />

_ ki batono, Zalian legitimuri<br />

kiTxvaa... me es sakiTxi davsvi, magram<br />

axali saxeebi, jerjerobiT,<br />

ar arian, Tumca amis survili<br />

moZraobis wevrebs aqvT.<br />

_ is momentic xom ar iyo, rom<br />

axalma saxeebma `daicavi saqarTve-<br />

losTan~ komunikaciaze uari<br />

Tqves? ise, axal saxeebs `ocnebac~<br />

eZebs, magram irakli RaribaSil-<br />

isa da lado kaxaZis meti veravin<br />

ipova.<br />

_ gasagebia, magram Sen xom unda<br />

izruno?<br />

_ anu vinmes SesTavazeT da<br />

uari miiReT?<br />

_ SeTavazeba, ra Tqma unda,<br />

gvqonda. es moZraoba, darwmunebuli<br />

var, axal saxeebs aucileblad<br />

moizidavs. Cemi gadawyvetilebiT<br />

amis impulsi miveci da aq gaugebari<br />

ra aris?<br />

_ kargi, yvelaferi gasagebia,<br />

magram Tu axal saxed, magaliTad,<br />

vato SaqaraSvils miiCnevT, am<br />

Temaze saubris gagrZeleba, mgo-<br />

ni, arc Rirs.<br />

_ aqcents im axalgazrdebze<br />

vakeTeb, romlebsac mec vicnob da<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ sxva wevrebic<br />

icnoben.<br />

Cemi gancxadebac swored aqeTken<br />

iyo mimarTuli, _ ki batono,<br />

Zveli moZraoba da misi Zveli wevrebi,<br />

romlebmac yvelaferi es daviwyeT,<br />

gasagebia, magram axali saxeebi<br />

da maTiT `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

ganaxleba aucilebelia-meTqi.<br />

es iyo Cemi gancxadebis motivacia<br />

da es nabijic amitom gadavdgi.<br />

gaugebari ra aris?<br />

`mTavari is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />

kalTas amofarebulma mixeil saakaSvilma<br />

samegreloSi saimiso placdarmi Seqmnas, rom<br />

biZina ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos da<br />

xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes! ~<br />

_ gaugebari, weRandeli Tqmisa<br />

ar iyos, araferia, magram legit-<br />

imuri kiTxvebi Cndeba.<br />

_ ki batono, magram Tqvens kiTxvebs<br />

ukve vupasuxe:<br />

pirveli _ `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

ukan biZina ivaniSvili ar<br />

dgas.<br />

meore _ isini, vinc dRes `daicavi<br />

saqarTveloSi~ brZandebian,<br />

Zveli saxeebi arian. maT movuwode<br />

da Tavadac dameTanxmnen, rom axali<br />

saxeebia saWiro. axal Taobas<br />

asparezs imitom vuTmob, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebiT<br />

da moZraobis Zveli wesebiT verafers<br />

gaxdeba. axali saxeebia<br />

saWiro.<br />

rac Seexeba biZina ivaniSvils, is<br />

giTxariT, rac vici, rac vnaxe da<br />

rogorc daviwyeT `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~ gacocxleba _ am proces-<br />

Si ivaniSvili ar monawileobda da<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan ivaniSvili<br />

ar dgas! meti ra giTxraT?<br />

_ sxvaTa Soris, `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~ filarmoniaSi gamarTul<br />

Sekrebas levan gaCeCilaZe ar daeswro.<br />

is Tqveni megobaria. mogex-<br />

senebaT, eSmakebi detalebSi sxed-<br />

an, anu levan gaCeCilaZe yrilo-<br />

bas ar eswreba, yrilobidan meore<br />

Tu mesame dRes ki moZraobas<br />

Tqven tovebT. yvelaferi es ubra-<br />

lo damTxvevaa da meti araferi?<br />

_ Sekrebis dResac vTqvi da<br />

axlac gavimeoeb, rom levan gaCe-<br />

CilaZem axlaxan operacia gaikeTa<br />

_ avadaa. im dilas levans pirdad<br />

velaparake da miTxra, SeuZlod<br />

var da ver movdivaro. me arafers<br />

vmalav da Jurnalistebsac vuTxari<br />

amis Sesaxeb!<br />

_ anu gaCeCilaZe avad rom ar<br />

yofiliyo, 13 aprils filarmoni-<br />

aSi movidoda?<br />

_ diax, is `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

erT-erTi lideri da damfuZnebeli<br />

iyo. sxvaTa Soris, Jurnalistebma<br />

zaza SaTiriSvilzec<br />

mkiTxes, magram masze araferi vicodi<br />

_ masTan kontaqti ar mqonda.<br />

levanma ki is miTxra, rac Jurnalistebs<br />

vuTxari.<br />

_ sanam filarmoniaSi Seikribe-<br />

bodiT, ambobdiT, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelos~ gacocxlebam `nacqocebis~<br />

botebis gaRizianeba gam-<br />

oiwvia. maSin imasac imedovnebdiT,<br />

rom es dakonservebuli organizacia<br />

qarTul politikas aaduRebda,<br />

magram ase ar moxda. metic, fi-<br />

larmoniis Sekrebis mere erTi<br />

gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia. Tqve-<br />

ni azriT, `daicavi saqarTvelom~<br />

iseTi ra SeiZleba gaakeTos, rac<br />

politikas, anu am SemTxvevaSi,<br />

`ocnebasac~ da `nacmoZraobasac~<br />

simSvide daurRvios?<br />

_ ar vici, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

qarTul politikur speqtrs ras<br />

SesTavazebs, magram sanam qarTul<br />

politikur speqtrs rame siaxles<br />

SesTavazebs, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

TviTon unda ganaxldes da siaxle,<br />

SeiZleba, amis Semdeg SesTavazos!<br />

is, rom `qoc-nacuri~ jado wridan<br />

unda gamovideT, axali ar aris<br />

da am ideaSi daTo maRraZes veTanxmebi,<br />

magram vnaxoT, moqmedebis<br />

gegma rogori iqneba da sazogadoebas<br />

axals ras SesTavazebs.<br />

_ erTi sityviT, darwmunebuli<br />

xarT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

axali saxeebiT gamdidrdeba da am<br />

axali saxeebis wyalobiT mesame<br />

politikuri centris formirebas<br />

SeZlebs?<br />

_ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />

politikuri centris formirebas<br />

damoukideblad, jerjerobiT, ver<br />

SeZlebs. `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />

centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />

politikur speqtrTan er-<br />

Tad Seqmnis.<br />

_ ise Tu moxda da zugdidis<br />

meris arCevnebSi gaerTianebuli<br />

opoziciis kandidati, sandra rulovsi<br />

gaimarjvebs, es xom erTgvari<br />

signali iqneba, rom sazoga-<br />

doebas aRarc `ocneba~ unda,<br />

aRarc _ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ da<br />

mzadaa, xelisuflebaSi `nacionaluri<br />

moZraoba~ da misi partnio-<br />

ri partiebi moiyvanos?<br />

_ Tu zugdidis arCevnebSi gaer-<br />

Tianebuli opoziciis kandidati<br />

gaimarjvebs, pirdapir geubnebiT:<br />

es katastrofa iqneba!<br />

_ ukacravad, Tu xalxi sandra<br />

rulovsis sasargeblod gaakeTebs<br />

arCevans, es katastrofa ratom<br />

iqneba? liderebi xalxze maRla<br />

ratom dgebiT?<br />

_ ara, xalxze maRla ar vdgebi!<br />

ra ufleba maqvs, rom xalxze maRla<br />

davdge?<br />

Tu es xalxis arCevani iqneba da<br />

sandra rulovsi zugdidis meri<br />

gaxdeba, es qveynisa da sazogadoebis<br />

ganviTarebisTvis, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom xalxi miscems xmas, katastrofa<br />

iqneba imitom, rom sandra<br />

rulovsisTvis da, saerTod, `nacionaluri<br />

moZraobisTvis~ zugdidis<br />

meroba meorexarisxovania. mTavari<br />

is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />

kalTas amofarebulma mixeil<br />

saakaSvilma samegreloSi saimiso<br />

placdarmi Seqmnas, rom biZina<br />

ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos<br />

da xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes!<br />

aq sxva motivacias ver vxedav da<br />

arc arsebobs. amitom vambob, rom<br />

es qarTuli saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebisTvis<br />

katastrofa iqneba,<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom sandras<br />

xalxi miscems xmas!<br />

mokled, zugdidis sazogadoebas<br />

movuwodeb, rom es ar dauSvas<br />

_ im warsulSi dabruneba, romelsac<br />

momavali ar uweria, ar SeiZleba!<br />

mimaCnia, rom `nacionaluri<br />

moZraoba~, mixeil saakaSvili da<br />

sandra rulovsi is warsulia,<br />

romelsac momavali ar gaaCnia!<br />

kidev erTi mTavari sakiTxi,<br />

romelzedac weRan visaubreT: sandra<br />

rulovsis zugdidSi gamarjveba<br />

mesame politikuri centris<br />

erovnul ideas saerTod daasamarebs,<br />

anu arCevani isev `nacionalur<br />

moZraobasa~ da `qarTul ocnebas~<br />

Soris darCeba da isev am<br />

jado wreSi vitrialebT!<br />

_ rac Seexeba `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~, Cveni gamocemis mTavar-<br />

ma redaqtorma, eliso kilaZem,<br />

eqskluziuri infrmacia gaavrce-<br />

la, romlis Tanaxmadac, aw ukve<br />

Tqveni organizaciis filarmoni-<br />

is Sekreba `kanonierma qurdebma~<br />

daafinanses. eliso kilaZem eka be-<br />

seliasa da erT-erTi kriminalis<br />

erToblivi fotoc gamoaqveyna..<br />

_ warmoidgineT, rom amis Sesaxeb<br />

presiT gavigeT. yvela Jurnalists<br />

vuTxari da Tqvenc geubnebiT,<br />

rom `daicavi saqarTvelos~ am yrilobis<br />

organizebaSi monawileoba<br />

ar mimiRia. amitom ar vici, darbazis<br />

fuli vin gadaixada da, saer-<br />

Tod, ra finansebi iyo saWiro.<br />

ratom ar mivida levan gaCeCilaZe<br />

organizaciis yrilobaze?<br />

_ filarmoniis daqiraveba sak-<br />

maod Zviri siamovnebaa.<br />

_ arc es vici da SegiZliaT, im<br />

adamianebs hkiTxoT, vinc es gaakeTa.<br />

_ yrilobis organizebaSi<br />

monawileoba ratom ar miiReT?<br />

_ jer erTi, TbilisSi ar viyavi.<br />

meorec, CemTvis ar ukiTxavT da<br />

arc me miviCnie saWirod, ariqa,<br />

unda vicode, darbazs rogor<br />

qiraobT da am Tanxas vin ixdismeTqi.<br />

_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

liderSifidan yrilobamde gag-<br />

TiSes?<br />

_ ara, aravis gavuTiSivar. liderebisTvis<br />

rom mekiTxa, ra xdeba-meTqi,<br />

amas gavigebdi, magram,<br />

ubralod, ar davinteresdi.<br />

TbilisSic ar vyofilvar. Zalian<br />

kargad iciT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

marto zugdidSi funqcionirebda.<br />

yrilobaze zugdididan<br />

megobrebTan erTad Camovedi.<br />

_ mgoni, SemTxveviT ar gausviT<br />

xazi, rom amdeni xnis ganmavloba-<br />

Si `daicavi saqarTvelo~ marto<br />

zugdidSi funqcionirebda. diax,<br />

gidasturebT, rom bolo wuTam-<br />

de am organizacias mxolod Tqven<br />

acocxlebdiT da axla, roca `da-<br />

icavi saqarTvelo~ datoveT, e. i.,<br />

raRac xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, `da-<br />

icavi saqarTvelos~ saakaSvilis<br />

prezidentobis drosac xSirad<br />

tovebdnen wevrebi. 2013 wels ki<br />

mediaSi is informaciac gaJRerda,<br />

rom am organizaciis gacocx-<br />

lebas TiTqos gia xuxaSvili api-<br />

rebda, romelic maSin premier<br />

ivaniSvilis mrCeveli iyo.<br />

_ aseTi raRac ar vici.<br />

_ Tqven ar iciT, magram imas<br />

geubnebiT, rasac qarTuli presis<br />

arqivi inaxavs.<br />

_ ar vici, vin ras ityvis. mgoni,<br />

naTlad agixseniT, is gancxadeba,<br />

romelic gavakeTe, ratomac gavakeTe.<br />

Tqvens kiTxvebsac gulwrfelad<br />

vupasuxe da vnaxoT, movlenebi<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ irgvliv<br />

rogor ganviTardeba.<br />

aseve sainteresoa, qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />

rogor SeZlebs, rom am<br />

jado wridan gamovides. giTxariT,<br />

rom am jado wridan gamosvlis<br />

procesSi aqtiurad miviReb monawileobas.<br />

_ mas Semdeg, rac `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ datoveT, daviT maR-<br />

raZesTan komunikacia gqondaT?<br />

_ diax, erTmaneTs davurekeT.<br />

kidev geubnebiT, iseTi araferi<br />

momxdara. SeiZleba, Jurnalistebsa<br />

da sazogadoebis wevrebs gaukvirdaT,<br />

Torem Cven megobrebi varT,<br />

urTierTobas vagrZelebT.<br />

_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />

rogor fiqrobT, qarTul poli-<br />

tikas ra elis?<br />

_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />

maSin qarTuli politika am jado<br />

wreSi CarCeba da saqarTveloSi<br />

politika sabolood dasruldeba!<br />

yvelafer amiT ki saqarTvelo damarcxdeba<br />

imitom, rom jado wreSi<br />

triali Waobisa da damarcxebis<br />

sawindaria!<br />

qarTuli sazogadoeba rom ganviTardes,<br />

qveyanac ganaviTaros da<br />

ganviTarebis evropul dones miaRwios,<br />

amisTvis saWiroa, rom am<br />

jado wridan amovideT! sxva SemTxvevaSi<br />

gamarjveba ar gviweria!<br />

_ bolos, miTxariT, es jado<br />

wre biZina ivaniSvils ufro awy-<br />

obs Tu mixeil saakaSvils?<br />

_ orives.<br />

_ ratom?<br />

_ am jado wreSi ori monawile<br />

da subieqtia _ mixeil saakaSvili<br />

da biZina ivaniSvili. isini yovel-<br />

Tvis am jado wreSi itrialeben.<br />

damarcxebuli da pirSi Calagamovlebuli<br />

ki qarTuli saxelmwifo<br />

da sazogadoeba darCeba!<br />

ise, yvelafer amis gamo pesimisturi<br />

ganwyoba maqvs. minda, es qveyana<br />

ganviTardes da CvenTvis uke-<br />

Tesi iqneba, rom evrokavSirisa da<br />

natos wevrebi rac SeiZleba male<br />

gavxdeT. ra Tqma unda, pesimisturad<br />

var ganwyobili, magram momavals<br />

imedis TvaliT Sevyureb!<br />

saerTod, bunebiT pesimisti ar<br />

var. amitom, vimedovneb, qarTuli<br />

sazogadoeba am jado wres daZlevs<br />

da im mizans miaRwevs, razedac<br />

didi xania, vfiqrob.<br />

_ da es mizani ra aris?<br />

_ Rirseuli adgili civilizebul<br />

samyaroSi!<br />

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