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2021 wlis 16 martamde masTan

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rom wavyolodi TbilisSi yofil

prezidentTan Sexvedraze.

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rodis unda wavsuliyaviT da

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wlis 16 marts, daaxloebiT

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levan JRrenti, xolo mZRolis

savarZlis gverdiT savarZelze

ijda Tavad giorgi wulaia. me

maT Cavujeqi avtomobilSi, saidanac

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ramdenime wuTiT avedi saxlSi

qurTukis gamosacvlelad, davbrundi

isev avtomobilSi, ris

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xaragaulis municipalitetis

teritoriaze gavCerdiT gzasTan

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gzaSi Cven vsaubrobdiT giorgi

(gogi) wulaias partiul gegmebze,

rom apirebda safrange-

TSi arsebuli politikuri gaerTianebis

(saxelwodebiT „yvi-

Teli Jiletebi”) msgavsi gaer-

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uTqvams. TbilisSi CamovediT,

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TbilisSi mcxovreb

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axloblebi.

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erTad adrec davrCenilvar

erT sacxovrebel binaSi da aRniSnulSi

ar migulisxmia raime

saxis intimuri garemoebebi,

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rom gogis Tan axlda

misi megobari levan JRenti

da me CavTvale, rom isic Cven-

Tan erTad rCeboda. Cven miTi-

Tebuli avtomobiliT mivediT

q. TbilisSi Wabukianis quCa,

korpusi #7-Si mdebare sacxovrebel

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levan JRentma dareka telefonze

da viRacas esaubra binis

gasaRebis gadmocemis sakiTxze,

ris Semdegac ramdenime wuTSi

erT-erTi sadarbazodan gamovida

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vnaxe, rom bina iyo erTo-

Taxiani da ar iyo izolirebuli

saZinebeli, ramac gamakvirva.

daaxloebiT, 15 wuTis Semdeg

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iyo marto da Tan hqonda

maRaziaSi SeZenili produqtebi

da sasmelebi. me vkiTxe,

Tu sad iyo levani, razedac

mipasuxa, rom levani ar rCeboda

CvenTan erTad. aqve ganvmartav,

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welia, megobroba makavSirebs,

ris gamoc araferi cudi ar

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sacxovrebel binaSi,

romelSic Cven vimyofebodiT,

iyo mxolod erTi oTaxi, sveli

wertili da samzareulo,

oTaxis Sua nawilSi idga erTi

orsawoliani logini, xolo

marjvena kuTxeSi _ taxti, maleve

giorgi (gogi) wulaiam magidaze

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da a. S. Cven vsaubrobdiT Cveulebriv,

zogad sakiTxebze da

aranairi saxis intimur sakiTxebze

ar gvisaubria. swored am

dros gogi wulaiam miTxra, _

xom ar gewyineba, rom marixuana

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aivanze da mowia. aqve davazusteb:

me ver verkvevi, marixuana

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Tu sworad maxsovs, „sarajiSvilis”

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amotanili. me piradad ar damilevia

alkoholuri sasmeli,

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gipasuxebT, rom giorgi (gogi)

wulaiam dalia erTi boTli koniaki

naxevramde, zustad ramdeni

Wiqa dalia, ar maxsovs.

aqve is meubneboda, mec damelia,

Tumca uarze viyavi, radgan

ar msurda alkoholis miReba.

daaxloebiT 23:30 sT.-ze me

gadavwyvite daZineba da mivweqi

taxtze, ra drosac tansacmeli

ar gamixdia, mxolod fexsacmeli

da qurTuki mqonda

gaxdili, xolo aRniSnul dros

da SemdgomSic gogi wulaias

gaxdili hqonda Sarvali da zedatani,

iyo maisuriT da trusiT.

Cemi varaudiT, meZina daaxloebiT

15-20 wuTis manZilze,

ra drosac vigrZeni moaxloeba.

rodesac Tvali gavaxile,

igi moaxloebuli iyo Cems sawol

taxtTan Zalian axlos, ramac

SemaSina da SiSisgan instinqturad

ukan gaviwie.

gagrZeleba meoTxe gv.

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gverdidan

vinaidan ar msurda misi gaRizianeba,

naxevrad xumrobis toniT vuTxari,

Tu ras akeTebda. mogaxsenebT, rom aRniSnul

dros viTom xumrobiT scada

CemTvis xelis daWera, ris saSualebasac

ar vaZlevdi da ise mSvidad, magram

ukve mkacri toniT veubnebodi, rom

gaCerebuliyo. aRniSnulis Semdeg man

miTxra, rom gaCerdeboda da ar Semawuxebda,

radgan mixvda, mawuxebda

da rom SemeZlo, dameZina. me wamovweqi,

xolo gogi dajda sawolze, ris Semdegac,

rogorc maxsovs, Suqi gamoirTo

da vigrZeni, rogor gadmowva gogi wulaia

taxtze, romelzedac me vijeqi.

mogaxsenebT, rom ramdenime wuTi ar

gavnZreulvar, ris Semdegac SevniSne,

rom TiTqos eZina gogis, ris gamoc

dro vixelTe da Cemive sabniT gadavedi

divanze, xolo gogi iwva isev taxtze,

saidanac is maleve adga da Sevida

sapirfareSoSi. rodesac ukan oTaxSi

dabrunda, igi pirdapir movida sawol-

Tan, Zlierad momxvia xelebi, ra drosac

cdilobda Cems moferebas da kocnas,

ris saSualebasac ar vaZlevdi da

vuZaliandebodi, ris gamoc miWerda

xelebs da cdilobda Cems damorCilebas,

rac iyo Zlier mtkivneuli. mogaxsenebT,

rom aRniSnul dros me mkacri

Cxubis toniT veubnebodi, rom Tavi

daenebebina CemTvis da ar msurda mas-

Tan intimuri urTierToba. mogaxsenebT,

aRniSnuli grZeldeboda, daaxloebiT,

xuTi wuTis manZilze, ris Semdegac

gaCerda gogi, gamiSva xeli da daiwyo

isev koniakis daleva, wamowva taxtze.

dasmul kiTxvaze gipasuxebT, rom

me isev davrCi loginze, radgan ar msurda

gogis gaRizianeba, romelic iyo

ukve sakmaod mTvrali da vcdilobdi,

saubriT mimexvedrebina misTvis, rom

ar msurda masTan aranairi urTierToba

da miT ufro, intimuri urTierToba.

aRniSnulis Semdeg igi isev gavida

sapirfareSoSi, saidanac dabrunebis

mere moulodnelad ukana mxridan movida

CemTan, rac ar mesiamovna da wamovjeqi,

ra drosac igi isev momvarda,

amjerad ufro Zlierad cdilobda

CemTvis kocnas da moferebas, ris

gamoc vifaravdi saxes da mkerds. mi-

Werda xelebs da xelebi Semiyo maisuris

SigniT zurgze da Zlierad misvamda

xelebs SiSvel zurgze, rac aseve

iyo Zalian usiamovno da mtkivneuli

CemTvis. mogaxsenebT, rom vinaidan

mrcxvenoda korpusSi mcxovrebi xalxis,

ar miyviria, magram Zalian mkacri

toniT movuwodebdi, rom Tavi daenebebina

da rogorc SemeZlo, fizikurad

vuZaliandebodi. mogaxsenebT, rom vinaidan

isev ver SeZlo Cemi damorCileba,

man isev damaneba Tavi da gadajda

taxtze, isev gaagrZela daleva da Tan

meubneboda, rom igi ar iyo moZalade

da rom Tavidan ar amodioda Cemi sxeuli,

rogor movwondi da surda

CemTan sqesobrivi kontaqtis damyareba.

daaxloebiT aT wuTSi man bolomde

dalia boTlSi arsebuli koniaki da

miTxra fraza, _ ra damaZinebs, Sen rom

ar Segexo da ar gakocoo. wamoxta taxtidan

da swrafad movida sawolTan, sadac

me viweqi, ris gamoc me instinqturad

daviwye Tavis dacva. miuxedavad

Cemi mcdelobisa, rom Tavi damecva,

gogim mainc moaxerxa da xelebi dami-

Wira, riTac SemboWa, ra drosac ver

vaxerxebdi moZraobas da Tavis daRwevas,

misvamda xelebs sxeulze. vinaidan

mecva Txeli maisuri, advilad Semiyo


ra Cveneba misca

gogi wulaias

saqmeze asmaT

dvaliSvilma?

xeli zurgTan SiSvel sxeulze da misvamda

xels. me vcdilobdi, ar mimeca

misTvis sxeulze Sexebisa da kocnis sa-

Sualeba, magram vinaidan igi aris fizikurad

Cemze bevrad Zlieri, ver vaxerxebdi

misgan Tavis daRwevas da misi

zemoT aRniSnuli usiamovno da amazrzeni

qmedebis aRkveTas. mogaxsenebT,

rom miTiTebul dros man ZaliT makoca

tuCebSi, ra drosac misi mogeriebisa

da misgan Tavis daRwevis mizniT,

vukbine qveda tuCze, saidanac gogis

wamouvida sisxli da Camovkawre zurgze,

aseve misi mogeriebis mizniT.


miuxedavad Cem mier Tavdasacavad ganxorcielebuli

zemoaRniSnuli qmedebebisa,

is Tavs ar manebebda da cdilobda,

rom Semxeboda sxeulis sxvadasxva

adgilze, miWerda xelebs da mawveboda

kiserze, ra drosac me ganvicade Zlieri

fizikuri tkivili da rogorc SemdgomSi

vnaxe, gogi wulaias aRniSnuli

Zaladobrivi qmedebebis Sedegad miviRe

janmrTelobis dazianebebi, kerZod,

maqvs sisxlnaJRenTebi da Calurjebebi

xelebze, tansa da kiserze, aseve

maqvs nakawrebi zurgis areSi, romelic

momayena gogi, igive giorgi wulaiam,

rodesac cdilobda Cem mimarT ganexorcielebina

seqsualuri xasiaTis

Zaladoba.


gogi wulaias mier ganxorcielebuli

zemoT aRniSnuli Zaladobrivi qmedebebi

mimarTuli iyo im miznisken, rom

moexerxebina CemTan ZaladobiT daemyarebina

sqesobrivi kavSiri, ris saSualebasac

me ar vaZlevdi, SeZlebisdagvarad,

yvelanairad vcdilobdi, SevwinaaRmdegebodi,

ris gamoc ver moaxerxa

tansacmlis gaxda da CemTan ZaladobiT

sqesobrivi kavSiris damyareba.

mogaxsenebT, rom me vacxadeb nebayoflobiT

Tanxmobas zemoT aSniSnuli

SemTxvevisas, gogi wulaias mier CemTvis

moyenebul janmrTelobis dazianebebTan

dakavSirebiT, Camitardes samedicino

eqspertiza. dasmul kiTxvaze

gipasuxebT, rom zemoT aRniSnuli faqtisas,

rodesac nakbenis Semdeg gogis

tuCidan sisxlis dena ar Cerdeboda da

vinaidan sabolood mainc ver mimor-

Cilebda, ra drosac me veubnebodi, rom

gamoviZaxebdi policias, rac grZeldeboda

daaxloebiT aTi wuTis manZilze,

gaCerda gogi, Sewyvita Cem mimarT Zaladoba,

gamiSva xeli da gadajda taxtze,

ris Semdegac Sevida sapirfareSoSi,

radgan tuCidan mosdioda sisxli. saabazanodan

gamosvlis Semdeg is dawva

taxtze, xolo me vijeqi divanze. mogaxsenebT,

rom aRniSnulis Semdeg, rodesac

me vijeqi taxtze, instinqturad

amoviRe Cemi kuTvnili mobiluri telefoni

XSIAUMI-s firmis REDMI-s modeli,

romelSic gaaqtiurebuli maqvs

simbaraTi nomriT 591 21-44-22 da Cavr-

Te videogadaReba, ra drosac rasac

vsaubrobT masTan, gadaviRe aRniSnuli

Canawerebi romelic amJamadac inaxeba

miTiTebul telefonSi. CanawerebSi arsebuli

saubrisas gogi, igive giorgi

wulaia aRiarebs, rom man marTlac iZalada

Cemze, sqesobrivi kavSiris damyarebis

mizniT. dasmul kiTxvaze gipasuxebT,

rom me tanT macvia igive tansacmeli,

romelic mecva zemoT aRniSnuli

faqtisas, aseve mogaxsenebT, rom

Tanaxma var, monawileoba miviRo sagamoZiebo

eqsperimentSi Cem mier gamokiTxvisas

mowodebuli informaciis

adgilze Semowmebis mizniT. dasmul

kiTxvaze gipasuxebT, rom garkveuli

drois Semdeg gogis daeZina, ra drosac

me movaxerxe, gavedi sapirfareSo-

Si da Cemi kuTvnili mobiluri telefoniT

davreke 112-is samsaxurSi, sadac

ganvacxade, gogi, igive giori wulaias

mier Cem mimarT ganxorcielebuli

seqsualuri xasiaTis Zaladobrivi

qmedebis Sesaxeb. kiTxvaze gipasuxebT,

rom binaSi asvlisas me gavaRe kari da

gasaRebi davde iqve tumboze. aseve

mogaxsenebT, rom patrulis gamoZaxebis

Semdeg maT damirekes da damazustebines

misamarTi, ra drosac me gamovedi

gareT da Camovdiodi sadarbazoSi,

raTa Sevxvedrodi patruls. am dros

gogi wulaia iwva taxtze, savaraudod,

eZina. kiTxvaze gipasuxebT, rom Cemi

mobiluri telefoni, romelSic maqvs

gadaRebuli videoebi, maqvs Tan da

nebayoflobiT warmogidgenT gamokiTxvis

Semdeg. aseve Tanaxma var, warmogidginoT

Cemi tansacmeli, rac mecva

SemTxvevis dros.

kiTxvaze gipasuxebT, rom Tanaxma

var, Camitardes fsiqologiuri eqspertiza.

kiTxvaze mogaxsenebT, rom giorgi

(gogi) wulaias qmedebis Sedegad me

ganvicade moraluri travma, radgan

SemeSinda da aseve Zlieri fizikuri

tkivili.

dasmul kiTxvaze mogaxsenebT, rom

viTxov zemoT aRniSnuli Zaladobrivi

qmedebis gamo giorgi (gogi) wulaia

kanonis sruli simkacriT daisajos,

radgan man ganaxorciela uaRresad

amoraluri da Seuracxmyofeli qmedeba,

ris gamoc var Zlier daTrgunuli

da Seuracxyofili. im SemTxvevaSi,

Tuki giorgi (gogi) wulaia pasuxs ar

agebs misi zemoT aRniSnuli danaSaulebrivi

qmedebisTvis, mimaCnia, rom man

SesaZloa, aRniSnuli qmedeba ganaxorcielos

sxva qalebis mimarTac, rac

misTvis iqneba wamaxalisebeli, amitomac

viTxov mis umkacresad dasjas.

gamoZiebis am etapze dasamatebeli

araferi maqvs.

asmaT dvaliSvili Sss sapatrulo

policiis departamentis q. Tbilisis

mTavari sammarTvelos sagamoZiebo

sammarTvelos gamomZiebelma Wola

Rlontma gamokiTxa.

sainteresoa is faqti, rom video-

failebSi, romelic gamoZiebas saqmes

mtkicebulebis saxiT daerTo, Cans,

rom videomasalis gadaRebis momentSi

asmaT dvaliSvilis telefonze so-

cialur qsel vaiberSi mesijebi modis

da avtori Wolaa, rac imas niSnavs,

rom dvaliSvili Wolas giorgi wula-

ias dakavebis momentamde emesijeboda,

rac gonivrul eWvs badebs, rom gogi

wulaias dakavebis operacia winaswar

iyo dagegmili.

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sagamoZiebo masalebi gogi wulaiaze

„qronika+~ agrZelebs sagamoZiebo

giga gelxviiZe

masalebis momzadebas politikos gogi

592 41 85 85

wulaias saqmis Sesaxeb, romelic 2021

wlis 17 marts qalze Zaladobis

braldebiT daakaves. dakavebas win uZRoda politikosis cnobili

performansi _ amiT man bera ivaniSvilis mier im adamianebis fiz-

ikuri da fsiqologiuri terori gaaprotesta, romlebic oli-

garq biZina ivaniSvilis Svilsa da Tavad oligarqis ojaxze kri-

tikuli feisbuqpostebiT gamoxatavdnen sakuTar azrs.

wulaias saqmeSi mTavari moqmedi

piri asmaT dvaliSvilia,

romelic acxadebs, rom politikoss

masTan mimarTebiT seqsualuri

Zaladobis mcdeloba hqonda.

CvenTvis cnobili gaxda, rom

dvaliSvilisTvis gogi wulaias

saqme ar aris pirveli, sadac is

samarTlebriv davaSi imyofeba.

„qronika+” daukavSirda gogita

gogelaSvils, romlis cxovrebis

garkveuli epizodis usiamovno

mogoneba asmaT dvaliSvils exeba.

swored masTan CavwereT interviu

da gazeTis am nomerSi eqskluziurad

gTavazobT. daskvnebis gamotana

ki TqvenTvis mogvindvia.

aqve gvinda aRvniSnoT, rom

gogita gogelaSvilis azriT, gogi

wulaias saqmeSi politikuri interesi

ikveTeba. swored amitom

man, sanam CvenTan uSualod Temaze

saubars daiwyebda, gvTxova,

mkiTxvelisTvis gangvemarta, rom

is ar aris romelime partiis warmomadgeneli

da ar surs misi es

interviu politikur WrilSi ganvixiloT:

gogita gogelaSvili:

_ ra urTierToba gqondaT

asmaT dvaliSvilTan da rogor

gaicanT is?

_ asmaT dvaliSvili gavicani

2012 wels. mas sakuTari arasamTavrobo

organizacia „progresuli

Taoba” hqonda, romelsac mxolod

erTi konkretuli mimarTuleba

aqvs samxedro kuTxiT. 2016 wels

gaCnda idea, rom es arasamTavrobo

organizacia mravalprofiliani

gamxdariyo. Tavisuflad SegiZliaT

naxoT, Tu vin iyvnen misi

gamgeobis wevrebi im dros organizaciaSi.

piradad Cemi interesi

maSin iyo saarCevno sistemaze

muSaoba, romelic dRemde savalalo

mdgomareobaSia. am mimarTulebiT

daviwyeT muSaoba da amis

damadastureblad mas treningis

sertifikatic ki aqvs, sadac me gavuSvi.

_ Semdeg movlenebi rogor

ganviTarda?

_ ar gamovida is proeqti,

romelic erTad daviwyeT da wamiyena

pretenzia, rom man ver naxa

finansuri sargebeli da momTxova

didi Tanxa, _ 2150 lari. ar

vici, saidan daiTvala da gadawyvita,

rom amxela Tanxa unda gadamexada

misTvis, romelic me im

momentSi ar mqonda. miuxedavad

amisa, gadavwyvite, mas notariusTan

gavyolodi da misi daxmarebiT

werilobiTi saxe migveca dokumentisTvis,

romliTac me Cems

brals vaRiarebdi aRniSnul saqm-

ra kavSiri aqvs asmaT

dvaliSvils soso gogaSvilTan?!

eSi, Tumca mimaCnia, rom es ase ar

aris.

amis Semdeg yvelaferi ganvi-

Tarda katastrofulad: 2018 wlis

5 noembers mirekavs dvaliSvili

da vTanxmdebiT, rom unda SevxvdeT

parlamentis SenobasTan (igulisxmeba

quTaisSi arsebuli parlamentis

Senoba). rogorc ki parlamentTan

mivedi da manqanidan

gadmovedi, asmaT dvaliSvili

fizikurd gamisworda, _ saxeze

dRemde metyoba iara.

im dRes asmaT dvaliSili ar

imyofeboda marto, mas Tan axlda

adamiani, romelTanac garkveuli

saxis urTierToba hqonda. maT

undodaT, rom me fizikurad gavsworebodi

asmaTs, Tumca ver moaxerxes

Cemi am provokaciaze wamogeba.

maSinve davureke saswrafosac

da samarTaldamcvel organoebsac,

ris Semdegac faqtze

mokvleva daiwyo. garkveuli drois

Semdeg Cemi ganacxadi ukan gamovitane,

vinaidan ar mindoda, rom

martoxela deda ufro metad

damezaralebina.

_ Tu gaqvT informacia, rom

dvaliSvils sxvasTanac hqonda

urTierToba da provokaciiT

ucdia Semdeg misi „gaSaveba”?

_ Tuki dainteresdebian, naxon,

saidan da rogor iricxeba mis pirad

angariSebze Tanxebi da Zalian

advilad gaarkveven yvelafers.

_ rogor aRmoCnda asmaT

dvaliSvili opoziciur speqtr-

Si? aqvs Tu ara mas rame saxis

kavSiri sus-Tan?

_ kavSirebi rom aqvs, amas gidasturebT.

araerTi gvari uxsenebia

CemTan saubrisas. magali-

Tad, damamaxsovrda genStabidan

CaCibaia. am incidentamde sami

TviT adre man aseTi ram miTxra:

„damibrune Cemi Tanxa, Torem xom

ici, soso sxvanairi adamianiao”.

Cven gvyavda saerTo megobari soso

da arc ki mifiqria, rom is sxva

vinmes gulismobda, sabolood ki

gairkva, rom dvaliSvils mxedvelobaSi

hyavda maSindeli sus-is

ufrosis pirveli moadgile soso

gogaSvili. dvaliSvilma da misma

damxmareebma gamitexes Cemi piradi

socialuri qseli. rodec mas

vuTxari, rom Cemi feisbuki iyo

gatexili, mirCia, meCivla. SemdgomSi

gavarkvie, rom es yvelaferi

moxda sxva adamianis daxmarebiT

da Tu me viCivlebdi, amiT zaraldeboda

ara realuri damnaSave,

aramed is, vinc dvaliSvilma daixmara.

me erTgvari testic ki gavakeTe:

rodesac asmaTma mkiTxa, vi-

Civle Tu ara, vuTxari, rom mivwere

mas, vinc gamitexa gverdi. dvaliSvlma

ki mipasuxa, rom „ar waukiTxavs”.

es CemTvis sruliad sakmarisi

iyo imis dasamtkiceblad,

rom man yvelaferi icoda.

_ quTaisis parlamentTan mo-

mxdar incidents davubrundeT.

_ rodesac parlamentTan is incidenti

moxda, romelzedac ukve

gesaubreT, asmaTis Tanmxlebma

pirma miTxra: „asmaTi uSiSroeba ki

ar aris, is samxedro uSiSroebaa”.

„qronika+~ agrZelebs politikos

gogi wulaias saqmeze damate-

biTi masalebisa da eqskluziuri

informaciis mopovebas, romelsac

Tanmimdevrulad SemogTava-

zebT.

`mogonebebi gardasul dReTa~ _ ra

saidumloebas malavs asmaT dvaliSvili?!

mas Semdeg, rac cnobili gaxda, rom asmaT dval-

giga gelxviiZe

iSvili politikos gogi wulaias seqsualuri Zal-

592 41 85 85

adobis mcdelobaSi sdebs brals, sazogadoebaSi aq-

tiurad musirebs azri, rom es dvaliSvilis mier

kargad dadgmuli speqtaklia, vindaidan is araerTxel aris SemCneuli msgavss

qmedebebSi. „qronika+~-s Teona Zigua daukavSirda, romelic dvaliSvilTan

axlo urTierTobaSi iyo maSin, rodesac dvaliSvili jer kidev daqorwinebuli

iyo mis naTesavze. Zigua dvaliSvilis cxovrebidan Zalze saintereso de-

talebs gviyveba da aqve acxadebs, rom mas ar sjera im informaciis, rac bolo

dros wulaiasa da dvaliSvilis saqmis Sesaxeb vrceldeba.

Teona Zigua:

_ rogorc ki eg informacia gavrcelda,

maSinve vTqvi da sajarodac davwere: _ asmaTi

iyo magis gamkeTebeli, es aris 1000%-

iani. aq Tanxazec araa saubari, aramed nebismier

rameze. ai, magaliTad, viRac mamakacic

rom moswoneboda da imas eTqva, _ Cven

urTierToba gveqneba xangrZlivad da Sen

eg saqme gaakeTeo, _ eg wamsvleli iyo amaze.

_ ra informacias flobT asmaT dval-

iSvilze?

_ asmaT dvaliSvili aris Cemi dedamTlis

rZali, konkretulad ki biZaSvilis

coli. masTan normaluri urTierToba

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mqonda manamde, sanam misi realuri saxe ar

davinaxe. erT dRes damireka da miTxra, rom

TqvenTan stumrad mosvlas vapirebo. Zalian

gamexarda. maxsovs, bavSvTan erTad movida

da cota xnis Semdeg mTxova, bavSvi

dametovebina, radganac saqmeze iyo gasasvleli.

_ aranairi problema ar aris-meTqi.

davitove bavSvi, saRamos gvian dabrunda da

bavSvi waiyvana. am ambidan saeWvo (amaze mere

davfiqrdi) is iyo, rom stumrad zustad

maSin movida, rodesac Cemi dedamTili Sin

ar imyofeboda. amis Semdeg Zalian damiaxlovda

da simarTle giTxraT, raRac eWvi

mRrRnida, bolo periodi Zalian gaaqtiurda

CemTan mimarTebiT. garkveuli periodis

Semdeg ki aRmovaCine, rom Cems deidaSvilTan

hqonda urTierToba, romelsac ojaxi

hyavda. rodesac bavSvs mitovebda, Cems deidaSvilTan

erTad mis kuTvnil binaSi midioda.

Cemi eWvebis gasamyareblad deidaSvilis

telefoni aviRe, sadac misi da asma-

Tis mimowerebi vnaxe, Tu rogor saubrobdnen

detalurad erTad gatarebul dReebze

da rogor uyveboda asmaTi, rom me magoimebda

da bavSvs mitovebda, TiTqosda

saqmeze gadioda.

_ rogor ganviTarda movlenebi?

_ me davemuqre dvaliSvils aRniSnuli

mimowerebis gasajaroebiT, Tumca man patieba

mTxova da amixsna, rom yvelaferi

damTavrda da ar undoda ojaxis dangreva.

qali, romelic sxvis ojaxs xelaRebiT

angrevs, ar gamovricxav, rom SemxeblobaSi

iyos Tanamdebobis pirebTan.

aris erTi ojaxi, romelic daangria,

isinic cxovroben sofelSi. SemiZlia, saxeli

da gvaric vTqva, es aris Tea boWoriSvilis

ojaxi. faqti moxda maSin, rodesac

asmaTs qmari hyavda. zafxulobiT stumrad

Camodiodnen sofelSi, swored maSin hqonda

urTierToba mis meuRlesTan.

Semdeg iyo aseTi situacia: qmari rom

Camovida moskovidan, ubanSi sufra gaiSala,

maSin pirdapir uTxres, rom Seni coli

aseT raRacebs akeTebso.

me asmaTs vuTxari, _ mova dro da Sen

niRabs moixsni, es arc pirveli iqneba da

arc ukanaskneli-meTqi. ojaxi pikze miiyvana,

rom dangreuliyo. Tavad araerTi sxvisi

ojaxi aqvs dangreuli. Cems deidaSvilsac

aSantaJebda masTan gadaRebuli fotoebiT,Sens

meuRles vaCveneb Tu mimatovebo,

axla gogi wulaias jeri dadga, darwmunebuli

var rom man es provokacia winaswar

dagegma da rogorc ki saSualeba mieca ganaxorciela.

„qronika+~-is redaqciaSi msgavsi saxis

Setyobinebebi da informaciebi ar aris

pirveli. mas Semdeg, rac politikos gogi

wulaias ambiT aqtiurad davinteresdiT,

araerTi adamiani gvirekavs da gvTxovs,

rom movyveT mis Sesaxebac, Tu rogor

daungria cxovreba asmaT dvaliSvilma.

mokled, asmaT dvaliSvilis „gardasul

dReTa” ambebs araerTxel davubrundebiT.

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`Cven aucileblad movipovebT

parlamentis yofili Tavmj-

Sorena marsagiSvili

domare, nino burjanaZe, irakli

599 92 16 22

kobaxiZis gancxadebebze seriozu-

li komentaris gakeTebisgan Tavs

ikavebs. kobaxiZe opozicias prorusulad moixseniebs imis

gamo, rom isini burjanaZesTan erTad sxedan molaparakebe-

bze. „erTiani saqarTvelo _ demokratiuli moZraobis” lid-

ers ar rcxvenia, rom moskovSi Cadioda molaparakebebze.

siamayiT ambobs, rom mas moskovSi aqvs naTqvami, saqarTvelo

teritoriebis dakargvas ar Seeguebao. is imaSic darwmunebu-

lia, rom saqarTvelos mosaxleoba arc imas Seegueba, erTma

mdidarma kacma qveyana jibeSi Caidos. burjanaZe „qarTul ocnebas”

urCevs, mis moskovur voiaJebze saubari Sewyvitos. mi-

aCnia, rom maT am Temaze saubris ufleba ar aqvT, radgan

Tavad Cumad daiparebian ruseTSi.

599 92 16 22 nino burjanaZe:

vin dadis „ocnebidan” malu-

lad ruseTSi? rodis CaSala

xelisuflebam molaparakebebi?

ras fiqrobs gogi wulaiaze?

ras akeTebda irakli kobaxiZe

mis partiaSi? ratom dadioda

moskovSi igi? ratom ar aqvs

molaparakebebs alternativa?

ra rolis Sesruleba SeuZlia

sazogadoebas? _ amis Sesaxeb

nino burjanaZe „qronika+~-s es-

aubreba:

_ qalbatono nino, pozneris

saqarTveloSi Camosvlas didi

vnebaTaRelva mohyva. axal-

gazrdebis protests ramdenime

Cvenma politikosma aRviraxsni-

li qmedeba uwoda. Tqven ras

fiqrobT, sworad moiqca Cveni

sazogadoeba?

_ aq mTavari problema is mZime

viTarebaa, romelic dRes qveyanaSia.

Tu es viTareba ar Seicvala,

Cveni qveynisTvis ukiduresad

mZime momavals vxedav. saqarTveloSi

normaluri viTareba

rom yofiliyo, is ar moxdeboda,

rac 31 martis Ramesa da pirvel

aprils moxda. darwmunebuli

var, protestis forma sxvagvari

iqneboda da adamianebi ufro

TavSekavebiT gamoxatavdnen protests.

axla sazogadoebas gauCnda

gancda, rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba

konkretul pirebs

uwesebs privilegiebs. es, bunebrivia,

aCens protests.

_ Tumca pozneris Camosvla

Cvens sazogadoebas imis gamo ar

gauprotestebia, rom mas da mis

Tanmxleb pirebs xelisuflebam

privilegiebi mianiWa.

_ protestis mizezi iyo sxva

rame. am adamianis mosazrebebi

Cveni sazogadoebisTvis miuRebelia.

nebismier adamians SeuZlia

aq Camovides, rac ar unda ar

mogvwondes misi pozicia. mTavaria,

kanoni ar hqondes darRveuli.

am SemTxvevaSi okupaciis

Sesaxeb kanons vgulisxmob. amas-

Tan, arsebobs Camosvlis forma

da dro. poznerTan komunikacia

rom mqonoda da mas CemTvis

ekiTxa, aucileblad vetyodi,

rom is axla saqarTveloSi ar

unda Camosuliyo. dRes Cvens

qveyanaSi ukiduresad daZabuli

viTarebaa. ruseTis mimarT Cveni

sazogadoebis gaRizianeba kulminacias

aRwevs. am gaRizianebas

kidev ufro amwvavebs pandemia,

ris gamoc mTeli qveyana didi

xnis ganmavlobaSi Caketili iyo.

SezRudvebi dRemde grZeldeba.

21:00 saaTidan yvelani saxlebSi

varT gamoketileba. am dros vi-

RacebisTvis gadaadgilebaze

privilegiebis micema protests

gamoiwvevda. pozners privilegiebi

rom mianiWes, es ara misi,

aramed saqarTvelos xelisuflebis

bralia. Cvens xelisuflebas

unda gaeTvala msgavsi

Sedegi, rac ver SeZles. biZina

ivaniSvili am ambiT saerTod ar

dainteresebula.

_ ratom ar dainteresda?

_ mas axla mxolod erTi rame

ainteresebs: surs, saqarTvelo

Tavis bostnad gadaaqcios. darwmunebuli

var, is informirebuli

iyo pozneris megobrebTan

erTad saqarTveloSi Camosvlis

Sesaxeb. amas xeli ar SeuSala. is

apirebda, rom maTi aq Camosvla

sakuTari piarisTvis gamoeyenebina.

aqedan gamomdinare, xelisuflebam

imoqmeda ise, rogorc

imoqmeda. reaqciamac ar daayovna.

sasurvelia, rom aseTi gamosvlebi

ar xdebodes. Zalian kargi

iqneboda, dalagebul qveyanaSi

gvecxovra, magram „qarTuli ocnebis”

pirobebSi qveyana ver

dalagdeba.

_ Tqven wlebis winaT pozn-

eris gadacemaSi monawileobdiT.

am incidentis Semdeg kidev

iqnebiT misi gadacemis stumari?

_ amis SesaZlebloba Tu momecema,

siamovnebiT miviReb

monawileobas mis gadacemaSi.

_ ratom miiRebT mis gadace-

maSi monawileobas?

_ imitom, rom pozneri aris

Zalian Zlieri Jurnalisti. mas

uyurebs Zalian bevri adamiani,

rogorc ruseTSi aseve mTel

msoflioSi. aqedan gamomdinare,

mis gadacemaSi gamosvla da iq

sakuTari azris dafiqsireba umniSvnelovanesia.

CemTvis gansakuTrebiT

sasicocxloa, rom

bevrma mayurebelma miyuros,

radganac me okupirebul regionebsa

da saqarTvelos teritoriul

mTlianobaze vsaubrob.

_ am xelisuflebis zogier-

Ti warmomadgenlisgan gansxvavebiT,

Tqven namdvilad aras-

dros giTqvamT, rom afxazeTi

da cxinvali SeiZleba moiSoros

saqarTvelom.

_ amas araTu arasdros vityvi,

gulSic ki ar gavifiqreb. ruse-

Ti iqneba Tu dasavleTis qveynebi,

sadac Cavdivar, yvelgan vam-

òcnebis~

wevrebi moskovSi

malulad

dadian~

bob, rom qarTvelebi arasdros

SeveguebiT afxazeTisa da cxinvalis

regionis okupacias. rusuli

televiziebiT gamosvlisas

araerTxel miTqvams, _ yvelafers

gavakeTeb, raTa dakarguli

teritoriebi davibrunoT. moskovSi

Zalian kargad ician, rom

Cemi mizani saqarTvelos teritoriuli

mTlianobis aRdgenaa.

_ diax, ruseTSi Tqven bevr-

jer TqviT, rom afxazeTisa da

cxinvalis okupacias ar Seegue-

biT. es gancxadebebi mosmenili

aqvs irakli kobaxiZes, romel-

mac opozicias ruseTumeoba

daabrala imis gamo, rom maTTan

erTad erT magidasTan sxedxarT.

Tu aseTi uxerxulia Tqven-

Tan erTad jdoma, is ar euxerx-

uleba, ded-mamasTan erTad

Tqveni partiis wevri rom iyo?

_ adamians, romelsac sindisis

ZarRvi aqvs gawyvetili, uxerxulobis

grZnoba veranairad eqneba.

irakli kobaxiZis mama, batoni

giorgi, iyo Cemi partiis politikuri

mdivani. iraklis deda,

qalbatoni Tamari, iyo Cemi partiis

politsabWos mrCeveli.

Tavad iraklic xSirad iyo Cveni

partiis ofisis stumari. arc

iraklisa da arc mis mSoblebs

arasdros gauprotestebiaT

moskovSi Cemi wasvla. moskovSi

Cems vizitebze roca saubroben,

erT rames aucileblad unda gaesvas

xazi: me ruseTis dedaqalaqSi

Cumad arasdros gavparulvar.

amas yovelTvis Riad

vakeTeb. am xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebisgan

gansxvavebiT, iq

Cumad ar daviparebi.

_ vin daiareba Cumad „ocne-

bidan” ruseTSi?

_ biZina ivaniSvilis deidaSvili

uCa mamacaSvili. Cvenma sazogadoebam

televiziiT ixila

misi bileTi moskovis mimarTulebiT.

Jurnalistebs es informacia

rom ar moepovebinaT,

Cveni sazogadoeba mamacaSvilis

moskovur voiaJebze verafers

gaigebda. me arasdros wavsulvar

moskovSi Cumad.

_ iq rom midixarT, amaze

`pozneri aris Zalian Zlieri Jurnalisti. mas

uyurebs Zalian bevri adamiani, rogorc

ruseTSi aseve mTel msoflioSi. aqedan

gamomdinare, mis gadacemaSi gamosvla da iq

sakuTari azris dafiqsireba umniSvnelovanesia.

CemTvis gansakuTrebiT sasicocxloa, rom

bevrma mayurebelma miyuros, radganac me

okupirebul regionebsa da saqarTvelos

teritoriul mTlianobaze vsaubrob~

winaswar acxadebT xolme presko

konferenciaze. amis miuxedavad,

mainc prorusulad miiCnev-

iT.

_ prorusi vgonivar „qarTul

ocnebas”. „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxridan vinmes prorusulobaze

laparaki, minimum, uxerxulia. am

partiis warmomadgenlebi xelfasebs

ivaniSvilisgan iReben,

romelmac fuli ruseTSi iSova.

kobaxiZes saerTod xma ar amoeReba

da es adamiani srulebiT

ar aris komentaris Rirsi.

_ gadavideT xelisuflebasa

da opozicias Soris CaSlil

molaparakebebze. Tqven am Sex-

vedrebs ar eswrebodiT, magram

ambebi gecodinebaT. Tqveni

azriT, SeuZlebeli iyo SeT-

anxmebis miRweva?

_ me am molaparakebebze ar

damiSves, radgan formati „qarTuli

ocnebis” dabejiTebiTi Txovnis

Sedegad SemuSavda. maT moiTxoves,

rom iq me da kidev ramdenime

lideri ar vyofiliyaviT.

maTic mesmis, isini formalurad

elaparakebian im partiebis warmomadgenlebs,

romlebmac oficialuri

monacemebiT gadalaxes

saarCevno barieri. Cemi an sxva

lideris damateba molaparakebebze

iqneboda imis aRiareba, rom

arCevnebi gayalbda. me gagebiT

movekide am ambavs, magram mimaCnia,

rom es usamarTlobaa, radgan

arCevnebis Sedegebi dgas kiTxvis

niSnis qveS. rac Seexeba Tavad

molaparakebebs, mogexsenebaT,

rom yvela situaciaSi molaparakebebis

momxre var, ruseTSic

imitom davdivar, rom molaparakebebis

gamarTva saWirod mimaCnia.

am formats alternativa ar

gaaCnia. mtersac unda elaparako

da moyvaresac. gansakuTrebiT

maSin unda ilaparako, roca problemebi

arsebobs. imas unda elaparako,

visTanac problemebi

gaqvs. molaparakebebis momxre

var, magram aqac aris zRvari. molaparakebebi

usasrulod ver

gagrZeldeba. es iqneba Waobi,

romelSic „qarTul ocnebas”

opoziciis CaTreva unda.

_ risTvis?

_ imisTvis, rom dro gaiyvanos

da xelisuflebaSi yofnis vada

gaixangrZlivos. „qarTul oc-

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nebas” Tu raime mniSvnelovani

winadadebebi eqneba samomavlod,

opozicia mzadaa, 24 saaTSi dajdes

magidasTan da ganixilos

nebismieri gonivruli winadadeba.

erTi adgilis tkepna Tu

gagrZeldeba, maSin molaparakebebs

azri ar aqvs.

_ molaparakebebs xelisu-

fleba, mgoni, aRarc apirebs.

danielsonos bolo vizitis Sem-

deg Tqves, rom daixura kario.

_ molaparakebebis kari „ocnebam”,

jer kidev, maSin daxura,

sanam danielsoni meored Camovidoda.

kaci briuselidan jer

gamofrenili ar iyo, rom

mmarTveli partia gaiZaxoda, ar

davilaparakebo.

_ sad Tqves, ar davilaparake-

bTo?

_ gaiZaxodnen, vadamdeli

arCevnebisa da patimrebis Tema

ar ganixilebao. arada, opoziciisTvis

es iyo umniSvnelovanesi

Temebi. Cven, pirvel rigSi, am

Temebze vapirebdiT saubars. ase

rom, „qarTulma ocnebam” molaparakebebis

magida, jer kidev,

manamde aayirava, sanam molaparakebebi

daiwyeboda.

_ es imis bralic xom araa,

opozicia mwvave protests rom

ar gamoxatavs? aqciebi jer

TebervalSi unda gagemarTaT da

martSi gadmowieT. martis

aqciebic gaauqmeT da axla 15

maisisTvis daaanonseT aqcia.

_ saprotesto aqciebi opoziciam

obieqturi mizezebis gamo

gadado. mimdinareobda molaparakebebi

da amis paralelurad

aqciebis momzadebas xom ar daviwyebdiT?

es aRqmuli iqneboda an

SantaJad an _ zewolad.

_ visi daSantaJeba dag-

braldebodaT?

_ xelisuflebis. es rom ar

dagvbraleboda, opoziciam

aqciebi gaaCera.

_ opozicias sjeroda, rom

molaparakebebi Sedegianad das-

ruldeboda?

_ ar viziarebdi am optimizms,

magram opoziciaSi iyvnen adamianebi,

romlebsac sjerodaT, rom

molaparakebebs raRac Sedegi

mohyveboda. saboloo jamSi, miviReT

gonivruli gadawyvetileba

da aqciebi gavaCereT. amas emateba

pandemia, romelic am procesze

Zalian negatiurad aisaxeba.

Cven yvelafers vakeTebT,

rom ar davarRvioT is wesebi,

romelic usafrTxoebis standartebs

uzrunvelyofs. vTqviT,

rom vidre molaparakebebi ar

dasruldeba, aqciebi ar iqneba.

molaparakebebis CaSlis meore

dResve gamovacxadeT aqciiis

TariRi.

_ aqcia 15 maisisTvis CainiS-

na. cota xom ar agvianebT?

_ gaviTvaliswineT, rom mZime

marxvaa da win aRgomis dResaswaulia,

amitom SevarCieT 15

maisi. es, Cemi azriT, swori gadawyvetilebaa.

_ marxva da aRdgoma ratom

uSlis xels aqciebs? 2009 wels

marxvaSi daiwyo opoziciam

aqciebi da aRdgomazec ar Sew-

yvetila protesti.

_ ase iyo, magram raRac taimauti

maSinac aviReT. aRdgomis

wina kviras aqtiuroba SevaCereT.

es erT kviras gagrZelda. axla

gamaxsenda, rom maSin bzobis wina

Rames moxda pirveli Setakeba

opoziciasa da xelisuflebas

Soris, rac Zalian cudi iyo. maSindel

xelisuflebas iseve ar

esmoda xalxisa da opoziciis,

rogorc dRevandel xelisuflebas

ar esmis. maSindelma xelisuflebam

Sesabamisadac daamTavra

Tavisi mmarTveloba. „qarTulma

ocnebam” SeiZleba, imaze cudad

daasrulos, vidre misma winamorbedma.

_ zeviT patimrebi axseneT.

giorgi ruruasa da nika meliaze

bevrs saubroben, magram gogi

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wulaias ar axseneben. Tqven da

kidev ramdenime liders es

sayveduri ar gekuTvniT, magram

opoziciis didi nawili arc ki

imCnevs wulaias dapatimrebas.

ratom darCa es adamiani yura-

dRebis miRma?

_ misi saqme Zalian delikaturia.

iseTi ambavia, sadac Wirs

mtyuan-marTlis garCeva. rasac

gogi wulaias abraleben, es 1%-

Tac rom simarTle iyos, amas

aranairi gamarTleba ar aqvs.

aseT danaSaulSi vinme samarTlianad

rom iyos braldebuli, sakuTari

partiis wevrsac ki ar

davicav. saqme is aris, rom wulaiasTan

dakavSirebiT eWvebi

Cndeba.

incidentis wina dRes batonma

gogim performansi moawyo

ivaniSvilebis ojaxTan mimarTe-

vadamdel arCevnebs~

`me am molaparakebebze ar damiSves, radgan formati `qarTuli ocnebis~

dabejiTebiTi Txovnis Sedegad SemuSavda. maT moiTxoves, rom iq me da kidev

ramdenime lideri ar vyofiliyaviT. maTic mesmis, isini formalurad

elaparakebian im partiebis warmomadgenlebs, romlebmac oficialuri

monacemebiT gadalaxes saarCevno barieri. Cemi an sxva lideris damateba

molaparakebebze iqneboda imis aRiareba, rom arCevnebi gayalbda. me gagebiT

movekide am ambavs, magram mimaCnia, rom es usamarTlobaa, radgan arCevnebis

Sedegebi dgas kiTxvis niSnis qveS~

`wulaiasTan dakavSirebiT eWvebi Cndeba.

incidentis wina dRes batonma gogim

performansi moawyo ivaniSvilebis ojaxTan

mimarTebiT. eWvebs aCens is mZime operacia,

romelic wulaias cota xnis winaT gaukeTes.

sinamdvileSi, ra moxda, amaze miWirs saubari,

magram eWvebi maqvs, rom saqme gvaqvs

politikur angariSsworebasTan~

biT. eWvebs aCens is mZime operacia,

romelic wulaias cota xnis

winaT gaukeTes. sinamdvileSi, ra

moxda, amaze miWirs saubari, magram

eWvebi maqvs, rom saqme gvaqvs

politikur angariSsworebasTan.

yvelaze didi problema swored

is aris, rom ar endobi xelisuflebasa

da gamoZiebas. aseT

dros giCndeba eWvi, rom adamiani

isjeba ara danaSaulisTvis,

aramed gansxvavebuli politikuri

SexedulebebisTvis.

_ patimrebis Temaze xelisufleba

Zalian aris gajiutebuli.

amas riT xsniT? nika meliaze

amboben, gadaixados girao

da gamovao. misgan gansx-

vavebiT, ruruas Sewyaleba xom

SesaZlebelia?

_ nika melia giraos ver gadaixdis.

ver gadaixdis imis gamo,

rom giraos dokumenti ukve

gauqmebulia. is Secvala patimrobis

dokumentma. amitom roca

„qarTuli ocneba” ambobs, gadaixados

nika meliam girao da gamovao,

es, ubralod, simarTles

ar Seesabameba. amasTan, es girao

melias ukve gadaxdili aqvs, meored

daakisres imave giraos

gadaxda, rac usamarTlobaa. nikas

pozicia aris Zalian principuli.

Cveni xelisufleba qveynis

krizisidan gamoyvanaze rom

fiqrobdes, gonivrul nabijebs

gadadgamda, rom msgavsi ram ar

momxdariyo. Cveni xelisuflebisgan

gonierebis imedi ar unda

gvqondes. isini patimrebis gan-

Tavisuflebaze Riad acxadeben

uars, arada, es opoziciisTvis

umniSvnelovanesi sakiTxia.

_ nika melias dakavebis operacias

ukavSirdeba premierobidan

giorgi gaxarias gadadgoma.

am adamianma politikaSi dabruneba

daaanonsa. jer ar viciT,

opoziciaSi wava, Tu ivaniS-

vilis proeqti iqneba. Tqven ras

fiqrobT misi gadawyvetilebis

Sesaxeb?

_ bunebrivia, am gadawyvetilebas

veTanxmebi da pativs vcem.

amasTan, mimaCnia, rom cota meti

principuloba unda gamoeCina. is

iyo premieri da mas martivad SeeZlo

im ministrebis ganTavisufleba,

romlebic mas ar emor-

Cilebodnen. rac Seexeba, ra mimarTulebas

airCevs is, amaze saubari

Zalian miWirs, radgan adamians

gancxadebac ki ar gaukeTebia

jer, mxolod is Tqva, rom

politikaSi rCeba. am etapze misi

arc Seqeba da arc gakritikeba

swori ar iqneba. is Tu damoukideblad

imoqmedebs, kargia, xolo

Tu ivaniSvils gamoayenebinebs

Tavs, Zalian samwuxaro iqneba.

_ aqciis gamarTvas apirebs

gia gaCeCilaZe. bevri fiqrobs,

rom es opoziciis winaaRmdeg

mimarTuli RonisZiebaa. Tqven

ras fiqrobT?

_ kargs arafers vfiqrob im

xalxze, romelic TavianTi

qmedebiT zurgs umagrebs adamians,

saqarTvelo sakuTar bostnad

rom gaadaaqcia. ivaniSvils

vinc amaSi xels uwyobs, imas Cemi

pativiscema ver eqneba. vcdilob,

am adamianebsac gavugo. sruliad

normaluria, rom viRacas ar

moswons „nacionaluri moZraoba“;

viRacas SeiZleba nino burjanaZe

ar moswons, magram sxvis

jibrze imis mowoneba, rac mosawoni

araa, ar SeiZleba. arc imaze

unda daxuWo Tvali, razedac

Tvalis daxuWva ar SeiZleba.

_ samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

safrTxezec saubroben. Tqveni

azriT, aris amis niSnebi?

_ imedi maqvs, rom saqme aqamde

ar miva. yvelaferi unda gavakeToT,

raTa samoqalaqo dapirispireba

gamoiricxos. es aris

yvelaze mZime ram, rac SeiZleba

qveyanas daemarTos. erTxel ukve

gamoviareT da es Wriloba dRemde

ver moviSuSeT. msgavsi ram am

qveyanaSi aRar unda ganmeordes.

yvelaze saSinel sizmarSic ki ar

minda amis naxva. xelisufleba

iseT nabijebs dgams, romelic

qveynis ganviTarebas uSlis xels.

samoqalaqo dapirispirebis safrTxec

arsebobs, magram mainc

mjera, rom saboloo jamSi

keTilgoniereba gaimarjvebs.

_ 15 maisis aqcias davubrun-

deT. ras elodeba opozicia am

aqciisgan?

_ axla yvelaze mniSvnelovania

Cveni sazogadoebis reaqcia.

amaze Cvenma ucxoelma partniorebmac

gviTxres. isini amboben,

rom maT surT ixilon ganviTarebuli

da demokratiuli saqarTvelo.

isini mzad arian dagvexmaron,

magram gveubnebian, rom

imaze metad ver iRelveben Cvenze,

vidre Cven unda viRelvoT

sakuTar Tavze.

Cven Tu im xalxis memkvidreebi

varT, romelmac es qveyana

dRemde moitana, maSin ar unda

avitanoT is, rom erTma mdidarma

kacma qveyana jibeSi Caidos. es

aris orjer ori oTxi. velodebi,

rom sazogadoeba iqneba aqtiuri

da Cven movipovebT vadamdel

arCevnebs. imaSic darwmunebuli

var, rom vadamdeli arCevnebi

Catardeba marTla Tavisuflad

da qveyanas eyoleba mravalpartiuli

parlamenti.

7

„Cven Zalian imedgacruebulebi

varT saqarTvelos politikuri

liderebis uunarobiT, rom

samSabaTs mieRwiaT SeTanxmebisTvis.

miuxedavad evrokavSiris

yvelanairi mcdelobisa, daxmareboda

maT mimdinare politikuri

krizisis gadaWraSi. im SedegSi,

rac dadga, damnaSavea rogorc

mmarTveli gundi, ise molaparakebaSi

monawile wamyvani opoziciuri

partiebi, Tumca gansaku-

Trebuli pasuxismgebloba ekisreba

xelisuflebaSi myof Zalas.

kidev erTxel vadasturebT

Cvens mxardaWeras kristian

danielsonis dauRalavi muSaobisadmi

da mivesalmebiT mis mier

politikuri partiebisTvis SeTavazebul

dokuments, romelmac

kidev ufro gazarda mediaciis

procesis gamWvirvaloba.

sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania

politikur aqtorebs Soris

ndobis aRdgena. am SeTavazebis

Sinaarsi ki saqarTvelos momavlisTvis

swor gzas emsaxureboda:

ambiciuri saarCevno da mar-

Tlmsajulebis reformebi,

saqarTvelos parlamentSi politikuri

Zalauflebisa da pasuxismgeblobis

Sinaarsobrivi gadanawileba

da rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania,

gamosavali momaval

arCevnebsa da politikuri mar-

Tlmsajulebis or SemTxvevaze.

es gamosavali aris politikurad

dabalansebuli da TanxvedraSia

rogorc kanonis uzenaesobasTan,

ise 2020 wlis arCevnebis

saerTaSoriso SefasebasTan.

Cven aseve mivesalmebiT „Jan-mones

dialogis” ideas evroparlamentisgan,

roca politikuri situacia

amis saSualebas mogvcems.

politikuri partiebis mier

kompromisze uaris Tqmis Semdeg

qarTveli politikosebi aRar

unda moelodnen evrokavSirTan

saqmianobis Zveleburad gagr-

Zelebas. evroparlamenti uSualod

moiTxovs Sedegebs evrokav-

Siris mxridan finansur mxardaWerasTan

dakavSirebiT, maT Soris,

SemdgomSi gamosayof Tanxebsa

da daxmarebis pirobebTan

dakavSirebiT evrokavSiris makrofinansuri

mxardaWerisa da

sabiujeto daxmarebis programebSi.

amavdroulad, mimdinare saarCevno

da marTlmsajulebis reformebis

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_ damikonkreteT, „ruseTis

gza” romelia?

_ ruseTSi sanqciebi pirovnulad

dauweses, ai, magaliTad,

8 N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

generalur prokurors, Ss ministrs,

komitetis Tavmjdomares.

_ ki batono, magram am san-

qciebma ruseTs an, Tundac, am

konkretul adamianebs ra daak-

lo?

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Sedareba ra SuaSia?

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Tu vinmes Tmis erTi Reric

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Znob da vxedav, rom yvelafers

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yveta provokacia iyo!~ `yvelafer amis miuxedavad, òcneba~ reformebis gatarebas ar apirebs da

dasavleli partniorebi swored amas ver gebuloben, anu isini fiqroben, Tu

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amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi sisxli

da ofli dagvijda, davkargoT,

mosaxleoba xmas ratom ar

iRebs? mokled, dRes problema

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis poziciaa

da ara is _ xelisufleba

an opozicia ras akeTebs. saerTod,

saqarTveloSi sami subieqtia

_ xelisufleba, opozicia

da xalxi. am samidan mTavari,

wesiT, xalxia, romelic

arafers ambobs da yvelafers

itans _ gaZvirebasa da usamarTlobasac.

_ xalxi iqneb, imitom ar

iRebs xmas, rom politikosebis

mimarT totaluri nihil-

izmi aqvs?

_ kaco, gavige, magram adamianebs

macivari carieli rom

aqvT, es nihilizms rogor iwvevs?

adamianis bunebaa _ roca

SimSilobs, instinqtur qmedebebze

gadadis da xan nadirobs,

xan imas Svreba, xan _ amas, rom

Svilebs lukma-puri miutanos,

magram Cveni xalxi xmas ar iRebs.

am Cveni xalxis mosawoni

jer aravin dabadebula da es

gasagebia, magram pradad CemTvis

gamocanaa, Sin saWmeli rom

ar aqvT, amaze ratom ar reagireben?

_ e. i. saqarTvelos mosaxleobam

is adamianuri instinqti

dakarga, romelic weRan ax-

seneT?

_ am sazogadoebaSi cocxali

organizmis instinqti aRar

aris!

_ es iqneb, imis bralia, rom

eri daberda?

_ ara, kaco, ra eri daberda?

ase ar xdeba.

_ aba, rogor xdeba?

_ sibereSi sibrZnea... mgonia,

rom raRacis eqsperti var da am

qveyanas sxvaze ukeTesad vicnob,

magram veraferi gavige. ai,

magaliTad, es komendantis saaTi

yvelas awuxebs _ biZinas momxresac

da mowinaaRmdegesac,

prodasavlelsac da prorussac,

magram ramdenime dRis win

komendantis saaTis gauqmebis

moTxovniT gamarTul aqciaze

ramdeni adamiani gamovida?

_ aqciaze Tqven iyaviT?

_ diax, viyavi...

_ ise, evropelebs bevri ram

ver gaugiaT da, sxvaTa Soris,

mxolod xelisuflebasTan ki

ara, opoziciasTanac aqvT pre-

tenzia.

_ gavige, magram Tu atyobT,

amerikelebisa da evropelebis

mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis mimarTaa. isini

aRarc xelisuflebas ekiTxebian

da aRarc _ opozicias.

xom gaxsovT, wasvlis win

danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da

samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi

maqvso. samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi

ki swored saqarTvelos

mosaxleobas gulisxmobda.

_ Tqveni saubridan ise gamo-

dis, rom problemis gadaWra

plebiscits SeuZlia. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, xalxi sakuTar

saTqmels ityvis. vcdebi?

_ ar vici. adamianebi, SeiZleba,

plebiscitzec ar mividnen

da saerTod, arsad mividnen.

ver gaigeb: kovidze acra ar

undaT, evropaSi samuSaod wasvla

undaT, Tumca mizez-Sedegobriobas

ver akavSireben.

_ anu?

_ Tu evropaSi wasvla ginda,

unda aicra, radgan sxvanairad

iq ar SegiSveben.

_ CvenSi darCes da, saqar-

TveloSi zogs isev rusi „naSe-

bi” unda...

_ es rusi „naSebi” aRar Camodian

da isinic iq dadian, sadac

gubaz sanikiZe:

`molaparakebebidan

kobaxiZe yovel xuT

wuTSi gadioda da

ivaniSvils

urekavda~

simdidre da kmayofilebaa!

_ yvelafer zemoTqmulidan

gamomdinare, batono gubaz,

opoziciis mTavari Secdoma is

xom araa, rom saprotesto aqciebs

apauzebs? aqciis 15 mai-

sisTvis gadadebas riT xsniT?

_ opozicia marto ibrZvis!

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ opoziciasTan bevri pretenzia

mqonda, maqvs da, rogorc

Cans, momavalSic meqneba,

magram opoziciis dRevandeli

moqmedeba xalxis mxridan dasafasebelia!

_ da opozicia rogor mo-

qmedebs?

_ ar iyideba!

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

opozicia ar iyideba?

_ Sedegs xom vuyurebT _

parlamentSi aravin Sedis!

_ elisaSvili Sevida.

_ elisaSvils ar vgulisxmob

da Tavi davaneboT, ra?!

_ batono gubaz, axla gamaxsenda:

9 aprils, „ucnobis” iniciativiT,

didi Sekreba ima-

rTeba, romelsac, mgoni, „qar-

Tvelebis maradisobis dRe”

hqvia...

_ „qarTvelebis maradisoba”

ras niSnavs, es ra paTeTikaa?

_ amas ver getyviT, magram

zogi fiqrobs, am SekrebiT

SesaZloa, samoqalaqo dapiri-

spirebis inspirireba moxdeso...

_ da vis unda daupirispirdnen?

saxlebSi mogvakiTxaven Tu

ras izamen?

_ „maradisobis dReze”,

rogorc socialuri qselidan

irkveva, daswrebas, umetesad,

„qocebi” apireben...

_ gasagebia da es ra Zneli

gamosacnobia, vin iaqtiuresb?

_ ise, ratom gamoricxavT,

rom „arasasurvel elementebs”

saxlebSic miakiTxon?

_ yvelas vurCev, Cems saxlSi

nuravin mova! maTTvis ase

sjobs!

_ amasobaSi, yofili premieri,

giorgi gaxaria aqtiur-

deba. amaze ras ityviT, gubaz

batono?

`Tu atyobT, amerikelebisa da evropelebis

mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

mimarTaa. isini aRarc xelisuflebas

ekiTxebian da aRarc - opozicias. xom gaxsovT,

wasvlis win danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da

samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi maqvso.

samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi ki swored

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas gulisxmobda~

_ gaxaria aris zoro, romelic

xan iq gamoCndeba da xan _ aq,

Tan Tavi isev premier-ministri

hgonia.

_ anu?

_ opoziciuri an politikuri

lideri, romelic Jurnalistebs

emaleba, rogor warmogidgeniaT?

_ piradad me isic ver warmomedgina,

31 marts maincdamainc

zugdidSi ratom apireb-

da Casvlas...

_ gasagebia, rasac „Cali-

Cobs”.

_ ras?

_ unda, raRac tomobrivi

gaakeTos, magram ar gamouva!

megrelebi maRali kulturis

xalxia da samegreloc yovel-

Tvis saqarTvelosTvis brZolis

avangardSia!

_ uSvebT imis albaTobas,

rom gaxaria ivaniSvilis

proeqti, anu „biZina 2"-ia?

_ ar vici, Tumca didi mniSvneloba

arc amas aqvs. mniSnelovani

isaa, rom istoriam gamoZerwili

da gaberili beladebi

ar icis. beladebi ar iberebian,

TviTon Cndebian, ibrZvian,

xan igeben, xan marcxdebian.

gaxaria kabineturi beladia!..

_ ise, ra amis pasuxia da,

evropelebis idea realobad

rom qceuliyo da molaparake-

bebSi

ivaniSvil-saakaSvili

CarTuliyvnen, viTareba ar

ganimuxteboda?

_ ganimuxteboda, magram

problema saakaSvilSi ki ara,

ivaniSvilSia!

_ ratom?

_ im evropelebma ivaniSvili

moZebnon, Tu Cven unda gamovuyvanoT

da movuZebnoT? iciT,

im molaparakebaze ra xdeboda?

_ ara, ar vici. Tqven iciT?

_ yvelas telefonebi gareT

daatovebines, mxolod kobaxiZes

hqonda, yovel xuT wuTSi

gadioda da rekavda, netav, vis

urekavda?

_ amas didi marCieloba ar

sWirdeba...

_ evropelma elCebmac xom

ician, rom kobaxiZe arafers

wyvets. yvelafers ivaniSili

wyvets da ver gavige, am ivaniS-

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rom quCaSi gamovides~

vils ase ratom eloliavebian?

_ Tqveni azriT, dasavleTi

ivaniSvils ratom eloliaveba?

_ ar vici, es maT unda hkiTxoT...

_ sxvaTa Soris, kuluarebSi

amboben, rom „ocnebam” evro-

pel lobistebSi Zalian didi

fuli daxarja.

_ diax, asea da Cans kidec.

_ hoda, evropa, albaT, ami-

tomac eloliaveba.

_ mesmis, magram rodemde

unda eloliavos? amasoabSi,

regionSi evropis interesebi

ziandeba, cotac da, dasavleTs

axlo aRmosavleTidan ise amoagdeben,

rogorc _ „propkas”!

_ ruseTi amoagdebs?

_ ruseTic, TurqeTic da

iranic.

_ am Temebze Cveni poli-

tikuri wreebi ar saubroben...

_ codna unda, rom amaze

ilaparakon...

_ pozneris vizitic dasavleTis

„propkasaviT” amodgebis

konteqstSi unda ganvixiloT

Tu es rame sxva provoka-

cia iyo?

_ „sagulaod”, drois gasatareblad

Camovida da iseTi

adamianebi Camoiyvana, romlebic

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT

poznerze uaresebi arian!

„ÒÀÑÑ”-is generaluri direqtori

iyo Camosuli, „ÒÀÑÑ” ki

ruseTSi mTavari saxelisuflebo

sainformacio saagentoa da

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebTan,

ar gamovricxav, rom

biZinasTanac, albaT, raRac

kontaqti hqodnaT!

_ Tu asea, maSin am vizits

konkretuli mizanic eqneboda,

Torem „gulaoba”, albaT,

ubralo Sirma iyo da meti

araferi...

_ amas rusebi „priatnaia

spaleznis” eZaxian.

_ gavrilovis Ramis mere,

Tqveni azriT, xelisuflebam

igive Secdoma ratom dauSva?

_ Secdoma ki ar dauSva, aramed

es Segnebulad gaakeTa. Secdoma

isaa, roca ar ginda da

sxvanairad gamogiva. zogi opozicioneri

ambobs, am nabijiT

xelisufleba dasavleTTan

Zafs wyvetso da iqneb, gegma

swored es aqvs? yvelafer amas

zustad imitom akeTeben, rom

dasavleTis daxmareba aRar wamovides

da mSierma xalxma

daiZaxos, ruseTi gvirCevniao.

darwmunebuli var, rom yvelaferi

es swored amisTvis

keTdeba, magram visac miaCnia,

rom ruseTi gamosavalia, ageraa

afxazeTi, cxinvali, sadac

wumpeSi cxovroben da somxeTic,

romelic daqceulia. Tu

gvinda, rom danarCeni saqarTveloc

ise iyos, rogorc afxaze-

Ti da cxinvali, ki batono,

aravis araferi unda daaZalo.

arian adamianebi, romelTa

bunebrivi mdgomareobac wumpe-

Si cxovrebaa!

_ ise, somxeTSi vadamdeli

arCevnebi dainiSna, anu somxe-

`mgonia, rom raRacis eqsperti var da am qveyanas sxvaze ukeTesad vicnob,

magram veraferi gavige. ai, magaliTad, es komendantis saaTi yvelas awuxebs

_ biZinas momxresac da mowinaaRmdegesac, prodasavlelsac da prorussac,

magram ramdenime dRis win komendantis saaTis gauqmebis moTxovniT

gamarTul aqciaze ramdeni adamiani gamovida?~

bi Cvenze Wkvianebi aRmoCndnen,

ara?

_ ara, iq vadamdeli arCevnebi

faSinianis interesSia.

_ zogi imedovnebs, rom

aprilis bolodan aSS gaaqti-

urdeba da xelisuflebasa da

opozicias Soris molaparake-

bebze Sedegi daideba. amas

Tqvenc elodebiT, batono

gubaz?

_ diax, imedi maqvs, magram

amerikelebic xalxs elodebian,

erTxel mainc gamodiT quCaSio.

axla, aq samitingod TviTon xom

ar Camovlen? sadRac, trial

mindorze, 50 aTasi adamiani unda

gamovides da Tqvas, es xelisufleba

ar gvindao.

_ quCaSi xalxis gamosvlas

didi mniSvneloba ar unda

hqondes...

_ ara, ara, sxva versia ar

arsebobs! dasavleTis upiratesoba

swored is aris, rom xalxis

poziciaze reagirebs! igive

egvipteSi amerikelebs mubara-

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

qis gaSveba Zalian ar undodaT,

magram xalxi quCaSi rom gamovida,

amerikelebmac Tqves, Cven

xalxis mxareze varTo. mokled,

dasavleTi xalxze reagirebs da

ara _ oligarqebze, elitebsa

da mafiozebze! ician, rom

saqarTveloSi politikurad,

ekonomikurad da socialurad

saqme ukan midis, magram xalxis

reaqcias ver xedaven.

_ batono gubaz, weRan daviwye

da kiTxva ar damasrulebineT,

anu ramdenime wlis win ipodromze

aTeul aTasobiT adamiani

gamovida, magram mou-

lodnelad momitingeebi Sin

gauSviT. mogvianebiT ki gairkva,

rom Zmebma „greCixebma” saakaSvilisgan

raRac indulgenciebi

miiRes. hoda, xalxi ax-

lac, albaT, fiqrobs, ki gaval

quCaSi, magram mere opozicia

xelisuflebas gaurigdeba da

yvelaferi amiT damTavrde-

bao...

_ rom gvdomoda, gaviyide-

bodiT! ager, xelisufleba Riadac

da faruladac axlac gadasarev

pirobebs gvTavazobs.

_ ra pirobebs?

_ Riad amqveyniur samoTxes

gvTavazobs, daxurulad ki _

samoTxis samoTxes. xalxma xom

icis, rom deputatebze, romlebic

parlamentSi ar SevdivarT,

Zalian didi zewola midis, _

ager, Zmao, ramdenic gagixardeba,

furceli carielia da cifri

TviTon dawereo, magram opozicia

amaze ar midis da amas

dafaseba xom unda! meti raRa

vqnaT, Tavi daviwvaT Tu kldidan

gadaviCexoT?!

_ e. i., yvelafer imaSi, rac

xdeba, xalxia damnaSave?

_ ara!

_ aba?

_ xalxi inertulia!

_ inertulobac xom erTg-

vari danaSaulia...

_ damnaSaveebi yvelani varT!

opoziciam is daaSava, rom

arCevnebze erTi didi blokiT

`sagulaod~, drois gasatareblad Camovida da iseTi adamianebi

Camoiyvana, romlebic saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT poznerze uaresebi

arian! `ÒÀÑÑ~-is generaluri direqtori iyo Camosuli, `ÒÀÑÑ~ ~ ki ruseTSi

mTavari saxelisuflebo sainformacio saagentoa da xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebTan, ar gamovricxav, rom biZinasTanac, albaT, raRac

kontaqti hqodnaT!~

ar gavida, risi SekveTac xalxs

hqonda. xalxis mxridan opoziciis

undoblobis mTavar mizezad

is mimaCnia, rom opoziciam

arCevnebi sworad ver Caatara

da yvela Secdoma, rac ki Teoriulad

arsebobs, dauSva.

arCevnebze daSlili da calcalke

gavida. xalxi xedavs, rom

amis aRiareba ar xdeba, Tumca

opozicia im Secdomisa Tu danaSaulis

gamosworebas cdilobs,

rac Caidina.

_ rogor cdilobs?

_ principuli pozicia ukavia

da parlamentSi ar Sedis! saqarTevlos

mosaxleoba da opozicia

erTmaneTze momdurebulebi

rodemde unda viyoT? xom

vatyobT, rom cal-calke verafers

vSvrebiT?! ar gainteresebT,

namaxvanhesis mitingebze

ratom aRaravin reagirebs?

_ mainteresebs da amixsen-

iT...

_ maTi arCevani iyo, erTi politikosic

ar mogvekaroso da

marto darCnen. arada, arCevneb-

Si yvelam „ocnebas” misca xma...

_ sxvaTa Soris, gaerTianeb-

is idea nika melias hqonda...

_ diax. gaerTianebis ideas

mec gadavakvdi da vemsxverple...

mokled, opoziciam erTi

ierarqiuli organo unda Seqmnas,

Tavisi periodikiT da yvelam

funqciebi unda gadainawilos:

viRacam gareT unda imuSaos,

viRacam _ SigniT.

Tu protestzea saubari, ma-

Sin protests organizeba sWirdeba

da amas mxolod televiziiT

saubari ar hyofnis! es

xalxi yvelafer amiT daiRala

_ ekranze rom dagvinaxaven, televizors

TiSaven!

ar vambob, rom yvelani erT

partiaSi gaverTiandeT, magram

arsebobs, ai, magaliTad, poloneTi,

sadac „solidaroba” Seiqmna

da masSi yvela partia gaer-

Tianda _ saeklesio pirebi, memarcxeneebi,

memarjveneebi,

muSebi da glexebic...

saqarTveloSic jer „erovnuli

xsnis komiteti” iyo, mere

_ „mrgvali magida”...

erTi sityviT, mosaxleobas

dafiqsirebuli erToba unda!

xalxis undoblobas swored es

iwvevs da marTalic aris: raRac

sakiTxze erTi opozicioneri

erTs ambobs, meore _ meores.

arada, saerTo mesijebia SesamuSavebeli.

opozicias samuSao

sakuTar Tavze aqvs!

_ opozicia Tqvens am wi-

nadadebebs ratom ar iRebs?

_ araerTxel vuTxari da

meti ra unda vqna? mivedi da

vTqvi, esaa gasakeTebeli, es da

es-meTqi, magram ar reagireben.

is ki, rac mosaxdenia, TavisiT

ar moxdeba, viRacam sakuTar

Tavze unda aiRos da raRacaze

uari Tqvas. axla partiebis ki

ara, moqmedebis droa! xalxi

veRar arCevs, vin enm-dan aris,

vin _ „evropuli saqarTvelodan”

da vin _ „lelodan”, Tan

xelisufleba yvelas „nacebs”

gveZaxis. esenic gaiZaxian, ar

varT „nacebi” da miSa Senze magrad

gvezizRebao. es ra ubedurebaa?

yvela erTsa da imaves

rom vilaparakebT, mere xalxic

dagvijerebs!

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vano pavliaSvili

lado tis Tavmjdomaris moadgilem,

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aris am siveragidan gamosvlis erTaderTi gza. saerTod ar

migrZvnia, rogor gamikeTes, adgilobrivi reaqcia ar mqonia.

vaqcinacia aris erTaderTi gza, rom es Zalian didi gamowveva

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el movuwodeb eqimebsa da asakobriv adamianebs vaqcinaciis

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rogor grZnobs Tavs vaqcinis

gakeTebis Semdeg batoni lado.

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itzec CamovugdeT.

mokled, bevri rom aRar gavagrZelo,

Tqven winaSea saqarT-

velos parlamentis uxucesi

wevris, lado kaxaZis interviu:

_ batono lado, vaqcinaci-

is mere rogor xarT, Tavs

rogor grZnobT?

_ acram normalurad Caiara.

ubralod, iseTi reaqcia mqonda,

rogoric nebismier acras

axasiaTebs _ im adgilas, sadac

nemsi gamikeTes, cota xans mgr-

Znobeloba mqonda, meti araferi!

_ Tqven AstraZeneca-Ti aicer-

iT?

_ diax.

_ „faizerma” ver mogiswroT

Tu AstraZeneca-Ti imitom aiceriT,

rom xalxSi am vaqcinis-

admi undobloba gagefantaT?

_ „faizeri” cota gvian Semovida,

magram AstraZeneca-Ti, ki

batono, namdvilad motivaciisTvis

aviceri.

_ sxvaTa Soris, mTeli msoflio

vaqcinas eloda, saqarTveloSi

ki antivaqserebis mTeli

armia aRmoCnda. amas axal-

cixis tragikuli incidentiT

xsniT Tu sxva mizezic arse-

bobs?

_ saerTod, Cvens qveyanaSi

antivaqseri bevria da, magali-

Tad, wiTelas Tu poliomielitis

vaqcinaciis drosac ase

iyo. antivaqserebs TavianTi Sexeduleba

aqvT, Tan „ar gaike-

To” ufro advili saTqmelia,

vidre _ „gaikeTe”.

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia,

magram vaqcinaciis aucile-

blobas iqneb, saxelmwifom

daaklo propaganda?

_ amas ver vityvi, radgan pandemia

gamocxadda Tu ara, Cemma

megobarma eqimebma, romlebic

Zalian gamocdilebi arian,

Tqves, gamosavlis ZiebaSi mecniereba

ucileblad wava win, Tumca

medikamenti ufro Soreuli

perspeqtivaa da msoflio vaqcinis

Seqmnaze daiwyebs zrunvaso.

ise agixdeT yvelaferi kargi,

rogorc es axda _ dRes vaqcina

pandemiasTan brZolis

erT-erTi saSualebaa, Tumca

pirbadis tareba, distanciis

dacva da xelis dabanac aucilebelia!

mokled, ver vityvi,

rom saxelmwifom vaqcinaciis

propagandas rame daaklo. ubralod,

bevri eqimia da yvelam

Tqva, ai, me imaze meti vicio.

qveynis garedanac uamravi azri

iyo. Jurnalisti 5 aTasia, 10

aTasi _ eqimi, 15 aTasi _ politikosi

da adamianebi daibnen,

ver gaiges, ra xdeba. amitom

ukeTesi iqneboda, am pandemias

samyaro ufro mobilizebuli

daxvedroda.

_ diax, namdvilad ukeTesi

iqneboda, magram weRan TqviT,

Cemi megobari eqimebio da Tu

im eqimebis cnobil sameuls

gulisxmobdiT, modiT, isic

vTqvaT, rom „muSketerebis” mi-

marT sazogadoebas ndoba aRar

aqvs da zogi imasac ambobs, ma-

fiozebi ariano.

_ Tqven, rogorc Jurnalistma,

sityva „mafiozebi” rom

gaaJRereT, eTika daarRvieT.

_ eTika ratom davarRvie?

ra, Tqvenc imis momxre xarT,

rom Jurnalistis saqmianoba

kanoniT iyos gansazRvruli?

_ amas ar vambob.

_ sxvaTa Soris, „muSket-

erebs” mafiozebs me ki ara,

xalxi eZaxis.

_ imasac xalxi ambobs, rom

Jurnalistebi eTikis damr-

Rvevebi arian.

_ diax, mec momismenia, rom

zogierTi Jurnalistebs eTikis

darRvevaSi gvadanaSaul-

ebs, magram es ra SuaSia?

_ xom iciT, rom bevri Jurnalistebs

ar endoba.

_ nu miwyenT da, sazogadoeba

politikosebsac ar gen-

dobaT...

_ rasakvirvelia, ar gvendoba...

televizori an interneti

xom gaqvT?

_ rasakvirvelia, maqvs...

_ hoda, ager, axla belgiac

Caiketa da safrangeTic...

_ msoflios Tavi davaneboT

da saqarTveloze vilapara-

koT...

_ saqarTvelo msoflios nawilia

da nu vityviT da utrirebas

nu gavakeTebT, rom SezRudvebi

mxolod CvenTanaa.

_ batono lado, ra amis pasuxia

da, gaxsovT, ramdeni we-

kaxaZe:

ès xelovnuri

politikuri

krizisia, romelsac

ruseTis saxiT didi

stimulatori hyavs!~

lia, micnobT?

_ Zalian didi xania, gicnobT.

_ hoda, Tqveni azriT, Jurnalisti

rom var, amis uflebas

speckanoni unda ma-

Zlevdes?

_ adamianma ganaTleba unda

miiRos da Jurnalisti ase unda

gaxdes.

_ ganaTleba gasagebia, magram

Tqveni erT-erTi Tana-

gundeli gamodis iniciativiT,

rom adamians Jurnalisturi

saqmianobis ufleba unda miani-

Wos. hoda, ai, magaliTad, ad-

amiani deputati rom gaxdes,

saamisod rame konkretuli

kanoni unda arsebobdes?

_ es iniciativa ar momismenia,

magram adamianebi profesias

euflebian da mere am profesias

TavianTi saqmianobiT

aviTareben.

_ keTili... axla ufro mniS-

vnelovan ambebze gadavideT,

ai, magaliTad, Svidi evrodep-

utatis gancxadeba SevafasoT,

anu gia volskis msgavsad,

Tqvenc xom ar fiqrobT, rom es

adamianebi evropaSi arafers

warmoadgenen da maT azrs

yuradRebas aravin miaqcevs?

_ evrokavSirs ise vuyureb,

rogorc Cvens Zalian axlobels

da nebismieri deputati Cveni

gulSematkivaria. amitom Ti-

Toeulis azri piradad CemTvis

gasaTvaliswinebelia, miuxedavad

imisa, gancxadebas rogori

simwvaviT akeTebs. Cveni strategiuli

mokavSireebis azriT

unda visargebloT da maTgan

bevri ram viswavloT. saerTod,

Cven demokratias vswavlobT da

am kuTxiT didi xnis qveyana ar

varT.

_ e. i., Tuki evrokavSiris

azri mniSvnelovania, maSin

sainteresoa, mmarTveli gundis

warmomadgeneli, lado kax-

aZe, ras gaakeTebs imisTvis,

rom evrodeputatebis cudi

molodini ar gamarTldes da

evrokavSirma saqarTvelos san-

qciebi ar dauwesos?

_ im iniciativebs vuWer mxars,

romelic veneciis komisiam

SemogvTavaza, rom asocirebis

xelSekrulebidan gamomdinare,

sakanonmdeblo sivrceSi, amas-

Tan, sasamarTlo sistemaSi,

`sxvaTa Soris, axlandeli Camosvlac

provocirebulia - ai, Camovedi da Tqveni

Sidaganawesi davarRvie, bunti unda atexoT,

xelisufali gaakritikoT da gareT

gamoxvideTo. ai, esec misi provokacia~

sruli sinqronizacia iyos. sxvaTa

Soris, am kuTxiT Zalian

bevr kanons mxari davuWire.

_ keTili, magram am SemTxvevaSi,

aqcenti keTdeba vadamdel

arCevnebsa da politpa-

timrebze...

_ vadamdel arCevnebze

aravin saubrobs.

_ rogor ar saubrobs _ Svi-

di evroparlamentari Tavis

gancxadebaSi pirdapir ambobs,

rom orive mxare _ xelisuflebac

da opoziciac _ pasux-

ismgebelia, Tumca gacilebiT

meti pasuxismgebloba mmarTv-

el Zalas ekisreba...

_ evropis umaRlesi warmomadgenlis

mier iyo daniSnuli

danielsoni, romlis mier datovebul

dokumentSi vadamdel

arCevnebze araferi weria da

Tu amas evropis deputatebi

ewinaaRmdegebian, es erTmaneT-

Si gaarCion.

_ is, rom danielsonis do-

kumentSi vadamdel arCevnebze

iyo saubari, „ocnebis” warmomadgenelma,

kaxa kuWavam daadastura.

kerZod, sainforma-

cio saagento CNews-sTan man

ganacxada, Cven mzad viyaviT,

rom vadamdelis sakiTxi dRis

wesrigSi Segvetana, magram

opoziciam CaSalao...

_ ver getyviT... me imas vambob,

rac vici... mokled, me Cems

azrze vrCebi da SegiZliaT, es

kiTxva upasuxod datovoT.

_ ki batono... batono lado,

Tqveni azriT, qveyana am poli-

tikuri krizisidan, romelsac

„ocneba” xelovnurs uwodebs,

rogor unda gamovides?

_ cota ironiulad gipasuxebT:

politikosebis magivrad

parlamentSi Jurnalistebi

unda Semovidnen da am sakiTxs

isini gadawyveten.

_ umravlesobaSi Jurnalistebi

Tu ara, minimum, xelovani

adamianebi gyavT, magali-

Tad, qeTi dumbaZe an, sulac,

eliso bolqvaZe. hoda, prob-

lemebi maT gadawyviton!

_ Jurnalistebi parlamentSi

ufro bevrni unda iyvnen, magaliTad,

Tqven da Tqveni mego-

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rogorc Cvens Zalian axlobels~

brebi.

_ Cems „daverbovkebas” ukve

meored cdilobT, rom

„gavqocde”, magram am saqmidan

araferi gamova, lado batono!

_ hoda, aba, ra vqna?!

_ ise, „ocnebas” sportsmenebic

bevri hyavs _ ras akeTeben,

aravin icis, magram mTavar-

ia, parlamentSi arian!

_ Tqven gaqvT aseTi Sexeduleba,

polemikaSi ver Semoval

da ra gavakeTo? Tavisi unarebis

gamovlenis saSualeba yvela

adamians aqvs da ratom ggoniaT,

rom sportsmens logikuri

azrovnebis unari ar gaaCnia da

ar SeuZlia, swori gadawyvetileba

miiRos? ggoniaT, rom politikosebad

ibadebian an vinme

qmnis politikosad? reigani

xom kinoxelovani iyo, magram

ramxela politikuri nabijebi

gadadga. hoda, sportsmenebze

aseT rames nu vityviT _ Tqven

ar gamaRlebT, am SemTxvevaSi!

Tqveni Cemdami momarTva Sei-

Zleba, ironiulia, anu meubnebiT,

rom eqimi var da politikaSi

ra minda...

_ batono lado, cudad gamomivida

_ TqvenTvis namdvilad

ar miTqvams, politika-

Si ra gindaT-meTqi...

_ ki, rogor ara, iribad

meubnebiT, magram ara uSavrs,

ar mwyins...

_ ise, parlamentma eliso

bolqvaZes, rogorc vici, roia-

li dRemde ar SeuZina... axla,

es replikac ironiad ar Cam-

iTvaloT! mokled, krizisidan

gamosvlis gzebze vsaubrob-

diT...

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ramdenime komponenti arsebobs.

_ kerZod?

_ saerTaSoriso komponenti,

anu qveynebma, romlebic am pandemiis

dros rTul mdgomareobaSi

aRmoCndnen, erTmaneTs

daxmarebis xeli unda gauwodon.

amasTan, qveynis Sida potenciali

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da is midgomebi unda

gaZlierdes, romlebic postkovidur

periodze iqneba orientirebuli.

imisTvis, rom stabilurobisa

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Seiqmnas, qveynis Tavisufal zonad

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Zlo biznesis aRsadgenad yvelaferi

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pandemia hqvia.

_ pandemia iqiT iyos da,

politikuri krizisi rogor

unda davZlioT?

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politikuri krizisia,

rameTu qveynis destabilizacia

maqsimalurad moxdes. yvelafer

amas ki ruseTis saxiT

didi stimulatori hyavs!

_ am logikiT, kremlis pro-

pagandisti pozneri TbilisSi

opoziciam Camoiyvana?

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ubralod, bevri eqimia da yvelam Tqva, ai, me imaze meti vicio. qveynis

garedanac uamravi azri iyo. Jurnalisti 5 aTasia, 10 aTasi - eqimi, 15 aTasi

- politikosi da adamianebi daibnen, ver gaiges, ra xdeba. amitom ukeTesi

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`ggoniaT, rom politikosebad ibadebian an

vinme qmnis politikosad? reigani xom

kinoxelovani iyo, magram ramxela

politikuri nabijebi gadadga. hoda,

sportsmenebze aseT rames nu vityviT - Tqven

ar gamaRlebT, am SemTxvevaSi! Tqveni Cemdami

momarTva SeiZleba, ironiulia, anu meubnebiT,

rom eqimi var da politikaSi ra minda...~

_ diax, iseve rogorc gavrilovTan

hqonda kavSiri. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, piradad me ase

vfiqrob da logikuri msjelobidanac

ase gamodis.

_ romeli logikuri msje-

lobidan?

_ yoveli gadadgmuli nabiji

magaTTvis winaswaraa cnobili,

anu erTmaneTs aZliereben.

_ es rogor?

_ ai, me Camovdivar da Sen

unda gaabuqoo. es kargad organizebuli

politikuri Tama-

Sia da rogori maprovocirebeli

kiTxvac unda damisvaT, am

azrs ar Sevicvli!

_ Tqveni nebaa, magram Tu is,

rasac ambobT, simarTlea, maSin

Cndeba kiTxva: qveynis uSiSroe-

ba sad brZandeba?

_ uSiSroeba ki ara, am sakiTxs

kanoni wyvets, anu Tu

kanoni gadaadgilebas ar ukrZalavs,

adamians SeuZlia, qveyana-

Si Semovides.

_ sxvaTa Soris, es kanoni

mxolod ruseTis ki ara, nebismieri

qveynis moqalaqeze vrceldeba.

gasagebia, rom pozneri,

rogorc premierma gvi-

Txra, aSS-is moqalaqea, magram

is okupirebul afxazeTSia nam-

yofi, Sesabamisad, okupaciis

kanonis Tanaxmad, misi saqarTveloSi

SemoSveba ar SeiZlebo-

da!

_ amas daasabuTebT?

_ Tavad pozneri ambobs,

rom...

_ Tqven elaparakeT?

_ pozneris videointerviu

vnaxe, batono lado, sadac ambobs,

diax, okupirebul afax-

azeTSi var namyofio...

_ am SemTxvevaSi, im adamianebs

unda moekiTxoT, vinc es

„probeli” dauSva... ise, Tqveni

da sxva Jurnalistebis SeSfo-

Teba ar maxsovs, pozneri sxva

xelisuflebis drosac rom Camovida.

maSin ratom araferi

TqviT?

_ simarTle giTxraT, arc

gamigia, rom pozneri sxva xe-

lisuflebis drosac Camovida

TbilisSi...

_ yvelam icis da Tqven ar

iciT?

_ gaqvT sabuTi, rom pozneri

sxva xelisuflebis dro-

sac Camovida?

_ im interviuSi, romelic

Tqven axseneT, pozneri imasac

ityoda, saqarTveloSi sxva

dros kidev rodis iyo.

_ ara, magas namdvilad ar

ambobs...

_ sxvaTa Soris, axlandeli

Camosvlac provocirebulia _

ai, Camovedi da Tqveni Sidaganawesi

davarRvie, bunti unda

atexoT, xelisufali gaakritikoT

da gareT gamoxvideTo.

ai, esec misi provokacia.

_ vTqvaT, asea, magram xelis-

uflebam provokacia ratom ar

aRkveTa da kanoni ar daicva?

_ ver getyviT... es im saxelisuflebo

nawils unda mohkiTxoT,

romelmac mis

pasports yuradReba ar miaqcia.

_ ra amis pasuxia da, gadamdgari

premieri giorgi gaxar-

ia axal politikur sicocxles

iwyebs. bevri „meocnebe”, rogorc

amboben, gaxarias jerar-

Seqmnil partiaSi apirebs „ga-

daportirebas”. SemoTavazeba

Tqvenc rom miiRoT, xom ar da-

fiqrdebiT?

_ ara!

_ ratom?

_ iq, sadac var, imitom var,

rom valdebulebebi maqvs.

_ anu?

_ ramdenime sakanonmdeblo

aqtze vmuSaob, perspeqtiva

maqvs da am gundTan erTad saboloo

mizani maqvs _ 2024 wels

ambiciuri gegmis ganxorcielebaSi

miviRo monawileoba.

_ ise, ras fiqrobT, gaxari-

am swori nabiji gadadga, roca

„ocnebas” gaemijna?

_ es mosaxleobam unda gadawyvitos.

Cemi azri ki maqvs, magram

sajarod ar vafiqsireb.

_ bevr „meocnebes” gaxaria,

rogorc lideri, axlac mos-

wons...

_ adamianebs aseTi Tviseba

aqvT: mTeli TavianTi Sinagani

potenciali sakuTar TavTan

aqvT gaigivebuli da sxvebis

mimarT damokidebulebas ase

wyveten. es subieqturi gadawyvetilebaa

da maT obieqturobas

ver Sevafaseb da rogor

davaknino an Sevaqo? nebismier

adamians aqvs ufleba, Tavisi

arCevani gaakeTos.

_ bolos, batono lado,

rame damaimedebeli miTxariT

da nervebs aRar mogiSliT.

_ damaimedebeli ra giTxraT,

magram qveyanas ori udidesi adamiani

daaklda _ guram doCanaSvili

da anzor erqomaiSvili.

orive Tavisi qveynis uangaro

msaxuri iyo, magram roca pozneri

ufro salaparakoa, vidre am ori

adamianis naRvawi, Cveni qveynis

momavals sworad ver vxedavT.

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Si orive mxridan Zala ereva.

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unda, orive mxaresaa, rac Cveulebrivi

ambavia. sxvaTa Soris,

es gakveTili erTxel ukve gavlili

gvaqvs... samwuxarod, xelisuflebas

yvelaferi swored

aqeTken mihyavs. SegviZlia,

opoziciis pasuxismgeblobazec

vilaparakoT, magram es, ase

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radgan opozicias am sakiTxebis

gadaWris berketebi, samwuxarod,

ar gaaCnia.

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samoqalaqo dapirispirebisken

midis da amis gakveTili ukve

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dRevandeli mocemu-

loba sxvanairia, anu xalxSi

jer araa momwifebuli azri, _

ai, Tu „ocneba” xelisuflebas

ar daTmobs, quCaSi gavalo.

dRes sazogadoebas aRac „qocebi”

unda da aRarc _ „nace-

bi”...

_ erT patara magaliTs moviyvan

Tundac e .w. rusuli razmis

incidentTan dakavSirebiT.

_ ki batono, gismenT...

_ pozneris winaaRmdeg aqcia

opoziciurma partiebma moawyves

Tu samoqalaqo sazogadoebam?

_ samoqalaqo sazogadoebam,

magram es masStaburi aqcia ar

`gacofebulma da gabrazebulma danielsonma

es teqsti gamoaqveyna, arada, diplomatiuri

protokoliT, wesiT, ar unda gamoeqveynebina.

kuluarebidan xma gamovida, rom miSelic

Wkuidan gadasuli iyo~

iyo, Tanac saqarTvelo mx-

olod Tbilisi ar aris...

_ bodiSs vixdi, magram

Zalian kargad vici, rogor Sei-

Zleba, patara naperwkali did

cecxlad gadaiqces. 30 welia,

yvelafer amis SuagulSi var.

SegiZliaT, damijeroT an _ ara,

magram gixsniT, rom samoqalaqo

dapirispirebas opozicia saTaveSi

ar Caudgeba. opozicias es,

piriqiT, ar unda, radgan amiT

mogebuli aravin darCeba! asi

procentiT geubnebiT, rom es

samoqalaqo dapirispireba opozicias

xelisuflebaSi ar moiyvans!

_ anu saubari iqiTken migyavT,

rom samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

provocireba Sesa-

Zloa, mmarTvelma elitam

moaxdinos? sxvaTa Soris, 9

aprils momRerali „ucnobi“

qarTvelTa maradisobis dRis

aRniSvnas gegmavs da zogi miiCnevs,

rom es Sekreba Sesa-

Zloa, usiamovnebis sababi

gaxdes. am azrs iziarebT?

_ xelisuflebas sxva

araferi darCenia!

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ aslan abaSiZis mier TbilisSi

raRac xelketiani xalxis

Camoyvana gavixsenoT. maSin

xelisufals _ SevardnaZes _

tvinic eyo, gamocdilebac da

diplomatiuri alRoc. amitom

uari Tqva da sakuTar xalxze

xeli ar aRmarTa.

axla, samwuxarod, am Wkuas

ver vxedav da piriqiT, es kobaxiZeebi

da volskebi sxvanairad

iqcevian. ai, Tundac, volskis

Jesti axalgazrdebis mimarT

saSineleba iyo! sxvaTa Soris, am

Jests yvelaze uxamsi xalxi bazarSic

aRar iyenebs. „ocnebis”

saxe ki ukve iqamdea misuli,

rom axalgazrdebs, romlebic

mSvidobianad aprotesteben,

Zaladobis yvelaze uxeS Jests

aCvenebs.

pirdapir vTqvaT, es Jesti

niSnavs: „me Tqven gixmarT!” es

ki imas niSnavs, rom nervebi

aRar aqvT da sakuTari Zalisac

ar sjeraT. yvelafer amis gagr-

Zeleba ki jer xelSi rkinis

ketebis daWera iqneba, mere _

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14 N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

daTvis im tyviebis srola, romelic

2019 wlis 20 ivniss ukve

vnaxeT. ise, poznerebi da davidoviCebi

saqarTveloSi elarjis

saWmelad ar Camosulan,

miT umetes, rom moskovSi 200

qarTuli restorania. amiT Sei-

Zleba, mxolod bavSvebi moatyuon!

_ batono kote, rusul nar-

ativze ar visaubroT, radgan

viRac aucileblad gagaxsen-

ebT, is kote kemularia ar

xarT, „vardebis revoluciis”

dros moskovSi rom waxvedi-

To?

_ ki batono, gamaxsenon!

adrec miTqvams da axlac gavimeoreb:

Cemi qveynis interesebis

sasargeblod wavedi, mixeil

saakaSvilTan SeTnxmebiTa da

misi uSualo gegmiT.

mokled, imiT, risTvisac

wavedi, axlac vamayob, sicocxlis

bolomdec viamayeb da

SviliSvilebsac movuyvebi!

moskovSic unda wavideT,

moskoveli diplomatebi aqac

unda Camovidnen da amas versad

gaveqceviT, radgan ruseTi Cveni

mezobelia, Tanac uzarmazari

mezobeli!

_ ruseTi damyrobeli mezo-

belia, kote batono!

_ aq laparakia Cumad molaparakebasa

da erTi adgilis

saSinel pozaSi daxvedrebaze.

sxvaTa Soris, Tavis droze,

gavrilovi gulwrfelad gabrazda,

_ kaco, sami Tve mexvewebodiT,

Camodio da es ra miqeni-

To? poznersac, daaxloebiT,

aseTi saxe hqonda... danamdvilebiT

viciT, rom pozneri

prezident salome zurabiSvils

unda Sexvedroda.

_ es raze mianiSnebs?

_ poznerisTvis sxva raRacebic

iyo momzadebuli, magram

samoqalaqo seqtoris Zalian

seriozulma aqtivobam yvelaferi

CaSala. xom naxeT, viola

fon kraunma ra Tqva, _ yvelaferi

es saSineli sanaxavi

iyoo. xalxi gamoketilia, mcire

biznesi ver muSaobs, 9 saaTis

mere erTmaneTTan ver mivsulvarT

da am dros „ÔÑÁ”-s razmi

da putinis uaxloesi adamianebi

aq beno qaSakaSvilis restoranSi

qeifoben! aq raze unda

vilaparakoT an saxelmwifo interesebi

sad aris?

_ CvenSi darCes da, veRar

gavige, es beno qaSakaSvili biznesmenia

Tu koronis dis-

tributori _ SarSan, albaT,

gaxsovT, romanovebs samgloviaro

sufra gauSala da... ko-

ronamac ifeTqa...

_ ki batono, swored maqedan

daiwyo da axla dazRveulebi

varT? _ koronis mxriv moskovsa

da, saerTod, mTel ruseT-

Si Zalian mZime mdgomareobaa.

am xalxs ki arc karantini gauvlia

da arc vinmes Seumowmebia.

Tqves, 42-dan 31 davajarimeTo,

e. i., dasajarimeblebi yofilan,

roca Tavidan amtkicebdnen,

kanoni ar daurRveviaTo.

_ sxvaTa Soris, pozneri da

misi amalis wevrebi saqarTve-

los xelisuflebam mxolod

mas Semdeg daajarima, rac maT

saqarTvelos sazRvrebi da-

toves...

_ Se mamacxonebulo, sanam

elene xoStaria ar mogadga, Sss

rom xar da specsamsaxuri, es

xalxi ratom ar daajarime da,

saerTod, ratom gamoatare?

_ ise, irakli kobaxiZem

elene xoStarias misamarTiT

ikiTxa, winmswrebad saidan gaigo,

pozneri TbilisSi rom Cam-

odiodao? anu amiT „ocnebis”

Tavmjdomarem imaze mianiSa, ai,

rusebTan kolaboraciaSi opo-

ziciaao. mmarTvelma gundma,

Tavis droze, gavrilovzec ig-

ive narativis gatareba scada...

_ informacia, ra Tqma unda,

Signidan Jonavs. ai, gaxaria gadadga,

maWavarianic gadadga da

cqitiSvilic...

_ saubari saiTken migyavT,

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.


Seqmna araseriozulia~

`poznerebi da davidoviCebi saqarTveloSi elarjis saWmelad ar Camosulan,

miT umetes, rom moskovSi 200 qarTuli restorania. amiT SeiZleba, mxolod

bavSvebi moatyuon!~

batono kote?

_ SigniT iseTi ambavia, opozicias

Tavi rom moawonon, informaciis

mTeli niaRvari

modis! saerTod, roca xelisufleba

da partia moryeulia,

aseTi raRacebi gasakviri ar

aris da, ra Tqma unda, poznerzec

informacia viRacam miawoda.

ise, rom icodeT, informacia

mTlian programaze arsebobda.

_ e. i., gemi iZireba da „oc-

nebidan” gaqcevaze arian?

_ diax, gaqcevaze Zalian bevria.

_ Tqvens xelT arsebuli mo-

nacemebiT, uaxloes momavalSi

„ocnebas” vin datovebs, kaxa

kalaZe?

_ kalaZe ukve gamijnulia da

masze aRar vilaparakoT.

_ aba, visze vilaparakoT?

_ raionebsa da regionebSi

„ocnebis” wevrebi sakrebuloebidan

garbian. axla mTavari gax-

`gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, ivaniSvils

arafris Tavi aRar aqvs! amitom gaxariam

Tavidanve unda dasvas sakiTxi, rom

ivaniSvilisgan gamijnulia, Torem jer `biZina 1"

ra aris da warmoidgineT, `biZina 2" ra iqneba~

arias Temaa, anu quCaSi „ocnebis”

momxreebidan aTidan Svidi

adamiani imaze laparakobs, rom

gaxaria axal partias qmnis.

gaxariasgan arsena marabdelis

Seqmna araseriozuli mgonia,

magram „ocnebis” xalxs

imaze meti salaparako aRar

aqvs, Tu ras apirebs gaxaria.

_ isic gagebuli geqnebaT,

rom amboben, gaxariasgan „oc-

neba 2"-s ivaniSvili qmniso...

_ gulwrfelad rom

giTxraT, ivaniSvils arafris

Tavi aRar aqvs! amitom gaxariam

Tavidanve unda dasvas sakiTxi,

rom ivaniSvilisgan gamijnulia,

Torem jer „biZina 1"

ra aris da warmoidgineT, „biZina

2" ra iqneba.

_ mainc, ra iqneba?

_ „biZina 2" is buSti iqneba,

romelic Zalian male gaskdeba!

_ ratom?

_ „biZina 2"-is ukan arc

evropa dadgeba da arc _ aSS.

amitom mis ukan ruseTi unda

dadges, magram vikiTxoT...

_ ra vikiTxoT?

_ pozners jer epatiJebian,

mere ki ver icaven.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ is, rac pozners TbilisSi

gaukeTes, mxolod peskovsa da

putinis garemocvas ar moewona,

Torem mTel rusul qseleb-

Si qarTvelebze weren, _ Tqven

genacvaleT, es saeWvo delegacia

Tbilisidan rom gamoapan-

RureTo.

mokled, aseTi ganwyoba aqvT

rusebs, romlebic realuri

turistebi arian da romlebsac

aravin erCis!

saerTod, rigiTi adamianebi

arasodes araferSi damnaSaveni

ar arian da es cnobili postulatia.

oligarqi romeli turistia?

oligarqia da turizmi

vis gaugia?

_ geTanxmebiT... batono

kote, weRan evrodeputatebis

gancxadebaze vsaubrobdiT,

romelSic ori mTavari mesijia

_ saqarTvelo-evrokavSiris

urTierTobis safrTxe da finansuri

sanqciebi. Tu dasavle-

Ti finansur daxmarebas Segviwyvets,

es imis tolfasi iqne-

ba, rom ukan, 90-ian wlebSi

davbrundebiT?

_ bolo 30 wlis ganmavloba-

Si „ocneba” pirveli mTavrobaa,

romlis drosac sanqciebis

Tema Tundac sajarod pirvelad

gaisma! amas xom „miRweva”

undoda?

Cven aRmosavleT partniorobis

_ evronestis wevrebi varT

da am gancxadebaze erT-erTi

xelmomweri swored evronestis

Tavmjdomarea, Tumca „ocnebas”

es ecotava. arada, dRevandel

evropul politikas swored es

adamianebi warmarTaven, Tumca

„ocnebas” amdeni ar esmis!

sanqciebis SemTxvevaSi dartymis

qveS 52 milioni evro dadgeba,

romelic evropis mier

Cveni soflis murneobis ganvi-

TarebisTvisaa gamoyofili. amxela

Tanxa safrTxis qveS rom

dadgeba, „ocnebam” xalxs ra

unda uyos?

_ e. i., SimSiloba da xalxis

quCaSi gamosvla gardauvalia?

_ Cven ukve vSimSilobT, magram

qarTveli kaci quCaSi imis

gamo arasodes gamova, mSiao,

Tumca saxelmwifoebriv da

erovnul sakiTxs aucileblad

ipovis, ris gamoc quCaSi gava da

politika, miT umetes, opozicia,

aRarafer SuaSi iqneba! yvelaze

Zalian swored es umar-

Tavi procesi maSinebs, Torem

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, es

dapirispireba opozicias xelisuflebaSi

ar moiyvans!

sxvaTa Soris, aseT SemTxvevaSi,

xelisuflebaSi verc

„qarTuli ocneba” darCeba!

_ aba, marTvis sadaveebs vin

aiRebs?

_ es aravin icis... kitovani

gavixsenoT.

_ ukacravad, kitovani raRa

SuaSia?

_ kitovani xelisuflebaSi

darCa?

revolucia imas Wams, vinc am

revolucias awyobs da es Cveulebrivi

ambavia. safrangeTSic

ase iyo, germaniaSi da yvelgan.

opoziciaSi Zalian Wkviani

adamianebi arian da kargad

ician, rom saqme aqamde ar unda

mivides... ise, Tu gaxsovT, ramdenime

Tvis win erT-erT interviuSi

aprili da aSS-c vaxsene.

_ diax, maxsovs es interviu

da ai, ukve aprilia.

_ hoda, aprilSi an maisis

dasawyisSi aSS-is seriozuli

gaaqtiurebis mowmeni gavxdebiT!

es procesebi ukrainaSi ukve dawyebulia.

mokled, xelisufleba-

Si azrze ar arian, movlenebi

rogor ganviTardeba da samwuxarod,

bevrma sxvamac ar icis!

_ mTeli am politikuri

ajafsandalis bolo vadamde-

li arCevnebi iqneba?

_ aucileblad!

_ wels?

_ diax, situacia rac damZimdeba,

vadamdeli arCevnebi miT

ufro gadaudebeli aucilebloba

gaxdeba!

_ mainc, rodis?

_ wels, Semodgomaze.

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nene injgia

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men, rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba da opoziciuri partiebi

ar daeTanxmnen politikuri krizisis gadaWrasTan dakavSire-

biT evropuli sabWos prezidentis piradi warmomadgenlis,

kristian danielsonis SeTavazebul winadadebas. evroparlamentarebis

TqmiT, amas mohyveba Sedegebi evrokavSir-

saqarTvelos Semdgomi urTierTobis TvalsazrisiT.

„politikuri partiebis mier

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politikuri liderebi ar unda

elodon evrokavSirTan Zvele-

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marebis TvalsazrisiT, maT

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gamkacrebis mxriv, rac evrokav-

Siris mxridan makrosafinanso

daxmarebis programebsa da sabiujeto

mxardaWeras ukavSirdeba”,

_ weria pirvel aprils gavrcelebul

erTobliv gancxadeba-

Si, romelsac xels awers

saqarTvelosTvis kargad cno-

bili Svidi evroparlamentari.

rogoria opoziciis samoqme-

do gegma? rogor apireben 15

maisis aqciaze masStaburi

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gareSe arCevnebi, opoziciam ver

SeZeliT evropuli sabWos da

zogadad evropis darwmuneba,

rom 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebi gayalbda?

_ namdvilad ar vfiqrob amas,

rom opoziciam es ver SevZeliT.

Tqven iciT, evropuli sabWos

prezident miSelis 6-punqtiani

gegma, sadac riggareSe arCevnebis

Sesaxeb iyo Canaweri da amis

irgvliv unda yofiliyo msjeloba.

am SemTxvevaSi „qarTuli

ocnebis” sixiste vixileT, rac

aisaxa 1-2 aprils Cveni dasavleli

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gancxadebaSi. danielsonis

mier Sedgenil dokumentSi

iyo punqtebi, romelzedac xelmoweraze

opozicia Tanaxma iyo.

es gaxldaT sami punqti, Tumca

xelisufleba amas ar daTanxmda.

am SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba aris

warmoudgenlad destruqciuli.

am molaparakebebSi swored opoziciaa

konstruqciuli. vfiqrob,

adre Tu gvian, am molaparakebebs

Sedegi moyveba da qveyanaSi

vadamdeli saparlamento

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5 moTxovnas daTanxmebuliyo,

maSin molaprakebebis magi-

dasTan opoziciuri speqtris

kompromisuli nabiji ra iyo?

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Tu ara vadamdeli arCevnebi.

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amboben. es aris Rrma politikuri,

ekonomikuri da pandemiuri

krizisi, romelsac Tavi ver

gaarTva „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebam,

amas yvelani vxedavT.

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krizisad naTlavs. Cven vnaxeT

demokratiul qvenebSi rogor

muSaobs, vadamdeli arCevnebis

sakiTxi, _ bolo or weliwadSi

oTxi vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi Catarda israelSi. veravin

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ar aris ganviTarebuli qveyana an

romelime qveyanaze naklebad

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rom „qarTuli ocneba” vadamdel

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momtans, maTi es midgoma ar aris

samarTlebrivi da demokratiuli.

mmarTvel gunds aqvs rusuli

midgoma, rasac erTi erTSi

baZavs. bolo dros ganviTarebuli

movlenebidan es kargad Cans.

zogadadac, es xelisufleba aris

rusuli xelisufleba.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom war-

moudgenlad destruqciulia

opozicia. 2 aprils partia „mo-

qalaqeebis” liderma aleko elisaSvilma

ganacxada, rom mola-

parakebebis procesebSi yvelaze

destruqciuli iyo „lelo”. ra

komentars gaakeTebT elisaSvi-

lis am gancxadebaze?

_ aleko elisaSvili, SeiZleba

iTqvas, „qarTuli ocnebis” gare

spikeria da ukve misi „wevric

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komentari ar gavakeTo. rac Seexeba

„lelos”, Tu vinme aris molaparakebebisa

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gziT problemis gadawyvetis momxre

da flagmani, swored „leloa”,

_ es yvelam kargad icis.

_ pirvel aprils gavrcelda

samuSia:

`pozneri _

es iyo

gavrilovi-2~

evroparlamentarebis sakmaod

kritikuli gancxadeba, sadac

saubaria saqarTvelosTan mima-

rTebiT finansuri daxmarebis

SeCerebaze. amave gancxadebaSi

naTqvamia, rom erokavSirsa da

saqarTvelos Soris urTierTo-

bebi Cveulebriv ver gagrZel-

deba. am sakiTxis Sesaxeb xelis-

uflebis warmomadgenlebi imiT

iimedeben Tavs, rom 7 evropar-

lamentari awers xels da maTi

gancxadebiT, es raodenoba kri-

tikulad mniSvnelovani araa.

raze metyvelebs es mocemul

mul-

oba?

_ Cveni qveynisTvis Zalian

didi ubedurebaa, jer erTi, is,

rom „qarTuli ocnebaa” xelisuflebaSi

da im situaciamde mivediT,

sadac qveynis sanqcirebazea

saubari. Seqmnil viTarebaSi damnaSavea

mmarTveli Zala. samwuxarod,

„qarTulma ocnebam” miiyvana

qveyana am mdgomareobamde.

am dros ki isini saubroben imaze,

rom am gancxadebas mxolod 7

evroparlamentari awers xels, es

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxridan warmoudgeneli

ugunurebaa. amaze

seriozuli komentaris gakeTeba

èvronestis vice-Tavmjdomarem da saqarTvelo-

evrokavSiris saparlamento asocirebis

komitetis wevrma, evroparlamentarma marketa

gregorovam ganacxada, rom Tuki saqarTveloSi

mimdinare politikuri procesebis Sesaxeb 7

evroparlamentaris mier gavrcelebuli

gancxadeba sakmarisi ar aris, is me-8 iqneba, vinc

am gancxadebas SeuerTdeba~

ar SeiZleba. „qarTuli ocnebis”

es gancxadebebi, maTi qmedebebi

qveyanas yoveldRiurad azianebs.

es yvelaferi SemTxveviT ar xdeba,

es maTi gamiznuli qmedebaa.

es aris rusuli politikis gatareba.

es surs ruseTs, putins

da amas akeTebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisufleba, rom maqsimalurad

dagvaSoros evropisgan,

dasavleTisgan da maqsimalurad

daaxlovos qveyana ruseTTan da

putinis reJimTan, magram amas

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi ar

dauSveben! evroparlamentarebis

am gancxadebaze „qarTuli ocnebis”

liderebis pasuxi upasuxismgebloba

da Seuracxyofaa.

evronestis vice-Tavmjdomarem

da saqarTvelo-evrokavSiris saparlamento

asocirebis komitetis

wevrma, evroparlamentarma

marketa gregorovam ganacxada,

rom Tuki saqarTveloSi mimdinare

politikuri procesebis

Sesaxeb 7 evroparlamentaris

mier gavrcelebuli gancxadeba

sakmarisi ar aris, is me-8 iqneba,

vinc am gancxadebas SeuerTdeba.

„qarTuli ocnebis” gancxadebebi

da qmedebebi ar SeiZleba ucodinarobiT

aixsnas, es aris ganzraxi

qmedeba, rasac Cveni qveynisTvis

ziani moaqvs da safarqveS

rusul saqmes akeTebs.

„qarTuli ocneba” sityviT viTom

dasavluria, magram saqmiT

yvela vxedavT, rom antidasavlurebi

arian.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom „qarT-

uli ocneba” saqmiT prorusulia

da rusul interesebs emsax-

ureba. gasul kviras, 31 marts,

saqarTveloSi rusi propagan-

disti vladimir pozneri mis

megobrebTan erTad Camovida.

garda imisa, rom maTTan erTad

arRvevda wesebs, protesti

imanac gamoiwvia, rom „afxazeTi

verasdros gaxdeba saqarTve-

lo”,sityvebis avtori qveyanaSi

SemouSves. Sinagan saqmeTa samin-

istrom ki ganacxada, rom mas

okupaciis Sesaxeb kanoni ar

hqonda darRveuli. samarT-

lebrivad SesaZlebeli iyo Tu

ara, pozneri ar SemoeSvaT?

_ es iyo Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

upasuxismgeblo gancxadeba.

Sss aqvs ufleba, sazRvarze

ar SemouSvas piri, Tu is qveynisTvis

arakeTilmosurnea da

warmoadgens saSiSroebas. bevr

adamians ar uSveben sazRvarze,

romlebsac okupaciis Sesaxeb

kanoni ar aqvT darRveuli, magaliTad,

Tundac afrikis moqalaqeebs

da sxvebs. samarTlebrivad,

Sss-s uflebac da valdebulebac

hqonda, rom pozneri ar

SemoeSva saqarTveloSi, vinaidan

pozners antisaxelmwifoebrivi,

Cveni qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdego

gancxadebebi aqvs gakeTebuli.

adamiani, romelic

Seni qveynis sawinaaRmdegod moqmedebs,

qveyanaSi arasasurveli

piria da ar unda SemoeSvaT, _ es

calsaxaa. Sss-s am gancxadebiT

Tavis marTlebis mcdeloba hqonda,

Tumca es gamoricxulia. aseve

minda aRvniSno meore faqti:

eqskortirebas rom uwevdnen policielebi

pozners da mis amalas,

es riT aixsneba?! mTel qveyanaSi

komendantis saaTis dros ki

Rreoba hqondaT mowyobili.

„qarTuli ocneba” aRiqvamda,

rom maTi ufrosoba Camovida da

pativi unda ecaT, magram saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebma, rogorc

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gavrilovis SemTxvevaSi, axlac

aCvenes TavianTi mtkice pozicia.

pozneri _ es iyo gavrilovi-2.

Tavis droze, arc gavrilovis

viziti yofila SemTxveviTi, radgan

es iyo kbilis mosinjvis

politika, ras izamdnen saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebi _ gaatarebdnen

Tu ara am faqts. pozneri am

SemTxvevaSi meore testi iyo.

amas akeTebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisufleba. warmoudgenelia,

maT ar scodnodaT, ra SesaZlo

protesti mohyveboda pozneris

Camosvlas da zogadad ra poziciebi

hqonda mas saqarTvelos-

Tan mimarTebiT. aseve warmoudgenelia,

ar scodnodaT pozneris

vinaoba, vin aris is, sabWoTa

kavSiridan moyolebuli ra politikas

atarebs da saqarTvelos

Sesaxeb ra mtruli politika uWiravs.

pozneris SemoSveba calsaxad

danaSauli iyo. saqarTvelos

Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

sruli ufleba hqonda, sazRvarze

ar SemoeSva pozneri, magram

maT es ar gaakeTes da Semou-

Sves. ramdenime kviris win gavrcelda

video, sadac Canda, rom

saqarTvelos sazRvarze ucxoe-

Tis moqalaqes ar uSvebdnen, mas

ar hqonia okupaciis Sesaxeb kanoni

darRveuli, magram mainc ar

SemouSves. ase miiCnies saWirod.

ramdenad sworad _ es calke sakiTxia,

magram sazRvarze SemoSvebis

nawilSi okupaciis Sesaxeb

kanonic arafer SuaSia. adamiani,

romelic Seni qveynis mimarT mtrulad

aris ganwyobili da pir-

movaWreebi arian~

dapir vTqvaT, mteria Seni qveynis,

uSveb qveyanaSi, Rreobas uwyob

da eqskortiT acileb, _ amaze

metad damamcirebeli ra SeiZleba

iyos?! _ es gaxldaT danaSaulebrivi

qmedeba, sxva araferi.

_ saboloo jamSi, poznersa

da mis Tanxmleb pirebs, samo-

qalaqo protestis Sedegad,

dagegmilze adre mouwiaT Cveni

qveynis datoveba, Tumca Semdeg

gagrZelda diskusia, rom pro-

testis gamoxatvis formebi ar

iyo swori, magaliTad, „girCis”

erT-erTma liderma iago xviCiam

ganacxada: „iseTi qceva, rogo-

ric quCebSi xdeboda, qarTve-

lebs ar gvekadreba”, _ Tqven

ras fiqrobT protestis gamox-

atvis formebze?

_ Tu vinmes rame ar ekadreboda

da ukadrebeli Caidina, es

iyo am SemTxvevaSi „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisufleba, romelmac

pozneris sazRvarze SemoSvebiT

damamcirebeli qmedebebi

`Cveni qveynisTvis Zalian didi ubedurebaa,

jer erTi, is, rom `qarTuli ocnebaa~

xelisuflebaSi da im situaciamde mivediT,

sadac qveynis sanqcirebazea saubari. Seqmnil

viTarebaSi damnaSavea mmarTveli Zala.

samwuxarod, `qarTulma ocnebam~ miiyvana

qveyana am mdgomareobamde~

da kanondarRvevebi Caidina. es

yvelaferi ki okupantis saameblad

gaakeTa. rac Seexeba protestis

formebs, kvercxis srola

ar aris mTavari, aramed mniSvnelovania

protestis neba, rom

Seni qveynis okupantis mTavari

ideologi Semovida qveyanaSi da

aman aRgaSfoTa. vimeoreb: xelisuflebam

yvelaferi Zalian

kargad icoda da dagegma, rogorc

gavrilovis SemTxvevaSi,

aseve pozneris, magram saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebis protesti

qveynis okupaciasTan da RirsebasTan

dakavSirebiT aris mtkice

da Seuvali, amas rusuli xelisufleba

saqarTveloSi win ver

aRudgeba.

_ molaparakebebs rom davu-

brundeT, evropam da Cvenma

dasavlelma megobrebma scades,

magram molaparakebebi uSedegod

dasrulda. am mocemuloba-

Si ra samoqmedo areali dagr-

CaT opozicias da protestTan

dakavSirebiT ra konkretuli

gegma gaqvT?

_ me SemiZlia „lelos” saxeliT

giTxraT da aseve darwmunebuli

var, rom mTeli opoziciis

mowodebaa, protesti yovelTvis

iyos kanonisa da konstituciis

farglebSi da es asec iqneba.

rac Seexeba Cvens dasavlel megobrebsa

da partniorebs, maTi aqtiuroba

ase ukvalod ar Caivlis.

isini ar arian romelime

konkretuli politikuri Zalis

megobrebi, aramed isini arian Cveni

qveynis mxardamWerebi. udidesi

Zalisxmeva, mxardaWera da resursi

aqvT Cadebuli Cveni qveynis

ganviTarebisTvis, aqedan gamomdinare,

Cveni maTi imedi gvaqvs da

darwmunebuli var, rom qveyanaSi

vadamdeli arCevnebi Catardeba

da polipatimrebi datoveben

sapyrobiles. molaparakebis magidaze,

Cveni dasavleli partniorebis,

batoni danielsonis

TandaswrebiT, „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxridan midioda tyveTa vaWroba.

eseni arian tyveebiT movaWre

adamianebi, rusuli stilis

xelisufleba. es yvelaferi erTxel

da samudamod xom unda dasruldes.

amis dasrulebas ki

sWirdeba vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi, politikuri devnis

dasruleba. „lelo” am poziciaSi

iyo da iqneba mtkice da erTiani.

„lelom” daaxloebiT erTi kviraa

daiwyo Tavisi kampania vadamdel

arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT, Cven

vakeTebT gamokiTxvas, am proces-

Si yvelani vmonawileobT, maT

Soris, partiis liderebi, uSualod

mosaxleobas vxvdebiT da

warmoudgenlad didi aqtiurobaa.

Cems molodinsac ki gadaaWarba

im xalxis raodenobam, romelic

vadamdel arCevnebs iTxovs.

isini ara mxolod „lelos”, aramed

sxva politikuri partiebis mxardamWerebic

arian. saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis am moTxovnas „qarTuli

ocneba”, ubralod, ver gatexavs.

_ ra garantia gaqvT, rom

adamianebi, romlebsac Tqven

xvdebiT, 15 maiss opoziciuri

partiebis mier organizebul

aqciaze movlen?

_ davelodoT. faqtia, rom

moqalaqeebSi aris samarTliani,

kanonieri, konstituciuri protesti.

sazogadoeba Tavis protests

yovelTvis gamoxatavda da

momavalSic gamoxatavs. vfiqrob,

Cveni dasavleli megobrebis mxardaWeriTa

da monawileobiT

qveyanaSi ganviTardeba is demokratiuli

procesebi da cvlilebebi,

rac qveynis winsvlasa da

evropul momavals ganapirobebs.

„qronika+“-s erT-erTi mozardis

mSobeli daukavSirda. man im

afTiaqis arsebobis Sesaxeb gvacnoba,

romelic fsiqotropul

wamlebs ureceptod hyidis.

_ iqneb, damexmaroT, iqneb, damidgeT

gverdiT? ra gavakeTo?!

Cemi Svili ukve damokidebuli

gaxda fsiqotropul wamlebze.

verafers vSveli, _ arc Cxubma,

arc moferebam ar gaWra, afTiaqis

TanamSromlebi arc ki akvirdebian

asaks, ise yidian wamlebs. ba-

Tumis axalgazrdoba ukve wamaldamokidebulia

da saSinel Sedegs

miviRebT, Tu am yvelafers bolo

ar moeReba! me ukve daviRale!

_ ufro konkretulad, risi

Tqma SegiZliaT, piradad iyaviT

afTiaqSi?

_ diax, Tavad mivedi afTiaqSi,

sadac fsiqotropuli wamlebi

ureceptod iyideboda.

viTxove Semdegi wamlebi: gabagama,

fenzepami, kliferini, diazepami.

es preparatebi ureceptod

arsad iyideba, maT ki Cveulebrivad

momyides, araferi mouTxoviaT.

roca vkiTxe, _ rogor yid-

maSin, roca moxucebs Zlieri

zuka nemsaZe

tkivilgamayuCeblebis sayidlad

recepti sWirdebaT, baTumis cen-

trSi erT-erTi afTiaqi fsiqotropul wamlebs ureceptod

hyidis. wamlebs, romelTa moxmarebac eqimis mier gamowerili

receptis gareSe ar SeiZleba, umetesad, arasrulwlovnebi

moixmaren, afTiaqs isini xSirad stumroben.

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

baTumis `magnoliis

binebis~ afTiaqSi

fsiqotropuli wamlebi

ureceptod iyideba

`Svilis sikvdils ukve

ramdenjer Cavxede

TvalebSi?! am ambavSi

baTumis naxevari

axalgazrdobaa CarTuli~

iT am wamlebs ureceptod, roca

es dauSvebelia-meTqi?! maT mipasuxes,

_ Cven amiT vvaWrobTo.

_ ratom ar ganacxadeT Sesabamiss

uwyebaSi da Tu gqondaT

saerTod amis mcdeloba?

_ mindoda maTi CarTva, magram

Semdeg samarTaldamcvelebi Cems

Svils mizanSi amoiRebdnen, rogorc

fsiqotropuli wamlebis

momxmarebels, afTiaqs ki mainc ar

mosTxovdnen pasuxs, daiwyeboda

Cemi Svilis mimarT sadamsjelo

samuSaoebis gatareba, rogorc

xdeba xolme da amitom Tavi Sevikave.

_ sad mdebareobs es afTiaqi?

_ yvelam Zalian kargad icis am

afTiaqis arsebobs Sesaxeb, is pirdapir

baTumis centrSi, „makdonaldsis”

win, e. w. magnoliis binebSia.

„qronika+“ inkognito mSoblis

mier dasaxelebul afTiaqs estumra,

raTa gagverkvia, ramdenad

SevZlebdiT gveyida fsiqotropuli

wamlebi ureceptod

roca vikiTxeT fsiqotropuli

wamali gaba-gama, afTiaqSi gangvicxades,

rom hqondaT da dainteresdnen,

Tu ramdeni abi gvWirdeboda.

magram rogorc ki SeamCnies

Jurnalistis telefoni, romelic

maT saeWvod eCvenaT, imwamsve asaki

da pasporti ikiTxes, Tumca recepti

mainc ar mouTxoviaT.

„qronika+“-ma mokvleva daiwyo

da ramdenimedRiani dakvirvebis

Semdeg erT-erTi axalgazrda Cawera,

romelic afTiaqs xSirad

stumrobs:

„Tavidan uWirdaT, rom moeyidaT,

magram mere afTiaqs xSirad

vstumrobdiT da urec-ptod ki

ara, saerTod aRar gvekiTxebian,

wamlebs pirdapir daxlze gvideben”.

sainteresoa, qalaqis centrSi

mdebare e. w. magnoliis binebis

pirvel sarTulze gaxsnili afTiaqi

rogor rCeba SeumCneveli

sapatrulo policias, romlis

TanamSromlebic am quCebSi xSirad

moZraoben da maTi gansakuTrebuli

dakvirvebis epicentri

swored es adgilebia. sainteresoa,

afTiaqi gaagrZelebs Tu ara

ureceptod fsiqotropuli wamlebis

gayidvas da dainteresdeba

Tu ara sapatrulo policia axalgazrda

moqalaqeebis bediT,

romlebic fsiqotropul wamlebs

yoveldRiurad moixmaren?!

„qronika+“ agrZelebs Temis

Sesaxeb muSaobas da damatebiTi

detalebis arsebobis SemTxveva-

Si viTarebas momdevno nomrebSi

gagacnobT.

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`Telasis~ TanamSromlis dawvis

umaRlesi kvalifikaciis mqone

Tamar rostiaSvili

„Telasis” me-5 Tanrigis Tanam-

577 10 07 06

Sromel zurab maxaraSvilis

daRupvis Semdeg iseTi detalebi

amotivtivda, romelic iq momsaxure personals, savaraudod,

SokSi Caagdebs. pirveli es gaxlavT TanamSromelTa xSiri

dawvis faqtebi, meore _ spectansacemli, romelic advilad

aalebadia da mesame _ samxaraulis eqspertizis daskvnebi,

romelic mTel rig darRvevebze miuTiTebs usafrTxoebis sa-

kiTxebSi. „Telasis” TanamSromel zurab maxaraSvilis dawvis

faqtze „qronika+~-s ojaxi eqskluziur detalebze esaubreba.

giorgi maxaraSvili _ gar-

dacvlili zurab maxaraSvilis

Svili:

_ 2020 wlis 27 agvistos, daaxloebiT

13.20 sT-ze, damireka

mamam da miTxra, rom daviwvi da

amJamad xeCinaSvilis klinikis

damwvrobis centrSi vimyofebio.

Tavad egona, rom msubuqad

daiwva, magram, rogorc mogvianebiT

eqimebma amixsnes, es iyo

pirveladi Soki. am dros pacienti

tkivils ver grZnobs. mamaCems

sxeulis 65%-iani damwvroba

daudginda, romlis drosac

gadarCenis Sansebi TiTqmis minimaluria.

_ ra viTarebaSi daiwva?

_ mamaCemi TelasSi mexuTe

Tanrigis, umaRlesi kvalifikaciis

TanamSromeli gaxldaT,

30-wliani samuSao staJiT. „Telasi”

mas abarebda axali kadrebis

momzadebas. Zalian kargad

icoda usafrTxoebis zomebi

da incidentic ki ar hqonia

kompaniaSi mTeli msaxurebis manZilze.

spectansacemli, romelic

tanT ecva, sul Semoadna _

darCenili nawilebi sasamarTlo-samedicino

eqspertizas

gaatana gamoZiebam.

_ ra moxda adgilze?

_ cecxli moekida sadenebs,

saidanac ali mamaCemze gadavida.

almodebuli jixuridan

mamaCemi sakuTari fexiT gamovida

da iqve Caikeca. mezoblebma

kvamli rom dainaxes, saswrafo

da patruli gamoiZaxes. 17 zari

Sevida 112-ze, magram pirveli

daxmareba swored ubnis biWebma

gauwies _ tansacmeli Semoaxies

da usafrTxo adgilze gadaiyvanes.

iseTi Soki hqonda,

rom telefonze Tavis ufrossac

daureka, mec damireka... naxevarze

meti sxeuli damwvari

hqonda da ver grZnobda. saswrafo

manqanaSic Tavisi fexiT

avida. sami kviris ganmavlobaSi

reanimaciaSi iwvala da gardaicvala.

am xnis ganmavlobaSi

goneba ar daukargavs arc erTi

wamiT _ mudmiv kontaqtze vimyofebodiT.

damwvrobaSi arsebobs

kritikuli me-9 da 21-e

dRe. me-9 dRe gadaitana, magram

imdenad Rrma Wrilobebi ganuviTarda

damwvrobis Sedegad,

rom sefsisis fonze 21-e dRe

veRar gadaitana _ guli gauCerda.

_ eqspertizis pasuxebi

daido?

_ erT-erTi eqspertizis

daskvna, romelic jixurs Cautarda,

gamomZiebelma waukiTxa

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dedaCems da iq ramdenime punqtSi

weria, rom „Telasis” mxridan

usafrTxoebis normebi

darRveulia. pirveli, rom mama-

Cemi marto gauSves davalebaze,

SigniT cecxlsaqrobi ar iyo da

uamravi ram. am etapze gamoZiebis

pasuxebs velodebiT, rom

dazaralebul mxared gvcnon da

sasamarTlos gadaeces saqme.

Cvenda gasakvirad, „samxaraulis

biurom” es eqspertizis

pasuxi dado.

_ sanam Tqveni mama reanima-

ciaSi imyofeboda, „Telasi” Tu

iyo CarTuli procesSi: mkur-

nalobis xarjebi, daxmareba

ojaxs, tragediis mizezis axs-

na da a.S.?

_ aranairad! erTaderTi,

mamaCemis TanamSromlebma Seagroves

fuli. oficialurad

„Telass” gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia,

wuxilic ar gamouTqvams.

20 seqtembers mamaCemi davkrZaleT

da meore dRes Cems

dasTan erTad wavediT „Telas-

Si”. gvindoda gagverkvia, vin

iyo momxdarSi pasuxismgebeli

da vin gagvcemda im kiTxvebze

pasuxs, rac am xnis ganmavloba-

Si dagvigrovda. vanis quCaze

mdebare kompaniis saTavo ofis-

Si aravin gamovida CvenTan salaparakod.

pasuxi miviReT aseTi:

„Telasi” ar xvdeba moqalaqeebs!

anu 30-wliani staJis mqone

TanamSromelis Svilebi, romlis

sicocxlec Seiwires, maT-

Tvis ubralo moqalaqeebi viyaviT.

kancelariaSi Sevedi da patara

gogona ijda. imas vuTxari,

Tqveni TanamSromeli daiRupa

da nuTu, aravin aris iseTi,

vinc Segxvdeba-meTqi. _ gancxadeba

dawereT da 10 dReSi pasuxs

mogwerTo. momces carieli

Tabaxis furceli, rogorc

kantoraSi da dawereT, rac gindaTo.

araferi dagviweria, gamovbrundiT

da ukan gamogvekida

kadrebis ganyofilebis ufrosi,

romelmac gviTxra, rom

Segvxvdeboda profkavSirebis

ufrosi, vinme akaki gvalia. gvalia

Segvpirda, rom Telasis

xelmZRvanelobasTan ikisrebda

mediatoris rols da gadascemda

Cvens danabarebs. imave dRes,

21 seqtembers, saRamos, Cemi dis

telefonze dareka zurab ma-

RalaSvilma. es gaxlavT „Telasis”

yvela raionis ufrosi. igi

Zalian kargad icnobda mamaCems.

maRalaSvili Cems das Sexvda

ara ofisSi, aramed quCaSi da

uTxra, rom gavige, raRac sabanko

valdebulbebi gqoniaT, „Te-

aq xalxi pantapuntiT

ar iwveba _ `Telasi~

yovelTvis

gamarjvebulia!

lass” davelaparakebi, rom mar-

Cenalis dakargvis gamo kompensaciaze

wamoviyvanoo.

_ kompensaciis sakiTxi ise-

dac dadgeboda, rogorc ki

sasamarTloSi wavidoda saqme.

anu ar gviCivloTo?

_ magaze arc yofila saubari.

erTi kviris Semdeg gviTxra,

_ ojaxis wevrebi vinc

xarT, SemiZlia, dagasaqmoTo.

_ eg rogor _ araspecialo-

biT?

_ diax. Tqven ar ivliT da ise

CagericxebaT xelfasio. is

blanki gvaqvs _ xeli ar movawere,

mxolod suraTi gadavuRe.

me, magaliTad, kabelebis mTxreli

unda vyofiliyavi, ar vivlidi,

xelfasi Camericxeboda. ra

Tqma unda, uari ganvacxade.

_ ramdens giwerdnen xel-

fass?

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aris zviad vaSakiZe. am ukanasknelTan

rodesac vimyofebodiT

Sexvedraze, gviTxra,

rom Tqven, etyoba, xelfasma ar

dagakmayofilaTo. Zalian kargad

icoda, rom mamaCemi ojaxis,

faqtobrivad, erTaderTi

marCenali iyo. dedaCemi pedagogia.

bina, sadac vcxovrobT,

bankSia Cadebuli da mamaCemis

xelfasis gareSe seriozuli

dilemis winaSe aRmovCndiT _

sacxovrebels vkargavdiT... da

vkargavT dResac. vaSakiZem amis

Sesaxeb Zalian kargad icoda.

dedaCems uTxra, saxlSi mogitanT

formas, xeli moawereT da

Tqveni meuRlis xelfass miiRebT,

mxolod operatorad

gagaformebTo.

_ anu dedaTqveni daTanxm-

da?

_ Cven gamo. „TelasSi” uTxres,

_ yvelafers oficialurad

gavakeTebT, arafers mogaklebTo

da a. S. binasac Seginar-

CunebT da xelfassaco. oRond

amaze davTanxmebuliyaviT da

zviad vaSakiZe CvenTan movida

saxlSi. saswaulebi ilapraka...

es „kioskebSi” siaruli sisulele

ariso, ra saWiroao?! mokled,

mTeli sistema miwasTan gaaswora

Tavad xelmZRvanelma.

xelfasi aqvs, daaxloebiT, 20

000 lari TveSi da araferi ain-

`vaSakiZe gveubneboda, im formas vinc Caicvams

sicxeSi, amoibugebao. gesmiT?! maSin Caacvi iseTi

forma, romelic sicxeSic gamodgeba, siciveSic

da ar dawvavs xalxs... da nu amarjvebineb

tenderSi imaT, vinc iafad Segasyidis nagavs.

daicavi Seni TanamSromlis sicocxle!~

teresebs qveyanaze. ar dagimalavT

_ damrCa STabeWdileba,

rom saqme mqonda saSinlad araprofesional,

araadekvatur

adamianTan.

_ gaaformes dedaTqveni op-

eratorad?

_ Tavidan mogvatyues, arafriT

aformebdnen da Semdeg Cemma

advokatma rodesac moikiTxa

es saqme, SeSfoTdnen. saRamos 8

sT-ze kvlav movida, isev araadekvaturi

saubari, _ aqamde

rogor ver gamicaniT, aucileblad

dagasaqmebT, rac Semi-

Zlia, yvelafers mogcemT da a.

S. roca vkiTxe, TanamSromeli

rom dageRupaT, „Telasi” ra

pasuxismgeblobas iRebs-meTqi?

mipasuxa, _ „gpx”-s gavakeTeb da

dagasaqmebTo.

_ „gpx” ra aris?

_ xelSekrulebiT ayvanas

eZaxian, _ ase StatSi jer ver

CagsvamTo. Cveni TandaswrebiT

vaSakiZem yvelaferi micvalebuls

daabrala. iciT, ra gvi-

Txra?! _ „kioskSi” Tavis saqmeze

TviTon wavidao.

_ is igulisxma, rom aravis

gaugzavnia?

_ diax. mounda da wavidao. iq

is aravis gaugzavniao. mere dagvayvedra,

rom fuli Seagroves

gasvenebaSi da TviTon 100 lari

dado. rodesac vkiTxeT, piradi

saqme gadmoiReT, amdeni

weli kaci Tqvens struqturaSi

muSaobda, „mokaliT”, faqtobrivad,

da ar dainteresebulx-

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gauxmaurebeli detalebi

arT, ra aqvs Tqveni kompaniisTvis

gakeTebuli-meTqi? _

rad minda piradi saqme, ager ar

myavs zurab maRalaSvilio!

Tbilisis raionebis ufrosi...

kaci samsaxurebrivi movaleobis

Sesrulebis dros daiRupa

da axla gveubnebian, iq ar unda

wasuliyo, saerTod ra undoda

im adgilaso?..

_ dRes igive poziciaze ari-

an?

_ dRes amboben, rom gamoZiebam

dados daskvna da Tu is

dazaralebulad gcnobT, mere

gadavwvetTo. dedaCemis operatorad

mowyobis Temas davubrundebi:

Tavidan ar aformebdnen

da Semdeg ganucxades, rom

ki gagaformebT, magram kviraSi

40 sT. unda iaro samsaxurSio.

dedaCemi skolis maswavlebeli

gaxlavT da profili unda

Seecvala, im kompaniaSi gadasuliyo

sruli datvirTviT,

sadac mama daiRupa, rom is xelfasi

aeRo da bankSi Seetana.

_ ver gavige, „Telass” tren-

di aqvs aseTi _ vinc eRupebaT,

ojaxis wevrebi, pianistebic

rom iyvnen, TelasSi unda

daasaqmon mTxrelebad, opera-

torebad da a. S.?

_ diax. araoficialurad gavige,

rom es maTi politika yofila.

me ar mWirdeba dasaqmeba _

vmuSaob! zurab maRalaSvilma

pirdad gviTxra, _ verc policiaSi,

verc prokuraturaSi verafers

gaxdebiT _ „Telasi”

yovelTvis marTali gamodiso!

yovelTvis gamtyundeba micvalebulio.

6 Tveze meti gavida

da dRemde ar viciT, rodis

daideba eqspertizis daskvna,

rodis mogvaniWebs sasamarTlo

dazaralebulis statuss, sasamarTlo

rodis gaimarTeba da

a.S. bolo Sexvedraze zviad vaSakiZem

gviTxra, rom mec da generaluri

direqtoric im azrze

varT, Tu damtkicda, rom zura

Tavisi nebiT ar wavida jixur-

Si, maSin barkalaia daisjebao.

_ anu pasuxismgeblobas ixsnian

da surT, rom rigiT Tan-

amSromels gadaabralon?

_ ra Tqma unda. barkalaia

tyuilad xom ar gauSvebda

Semowmebaze?! es calke istoriaa

kidev, mamaCemi rogor aRmoCnda

CarTul „kioskSi”.

_ ra istoria?

_ pirdapiri brZaneba gaica,

rom barem mand xar da Sedio.

ukve amoRebulia gamoZiebis

mier mamaCemis telefonze Semomavali

zarebi, CvenebaSic uweriaT...

barkalaia mamaCemis saavadmyofoSi

moTavsebis Semdeg

mosuli iyo, qvemoT damelaparaka

da sul Tavs urtyamda

saWes, es ra damemarTao. arsebobs

aRricxvis Jurnali da

barkalaiam Tavad Cawera im JurnalSi,

rom mamaCemi iyo wasuli

Semovla-daTvalierebaze.

dRes amas aRar ambobs! samxaraulis

eqspertizis daskvnaSi

weria, rom darRveulia mTavari

kanonmdebloba _ marto aris

`yvelafers oficialurad gavakeTebT, arafers

mogaklebTo da a. S. binasac SeginarCunebT da

xelfassaco. oRond amaze davTanxmebuliyaviT

da zviad vaSakiZe CvenTan movida saxlSi.

saswaulebi ilapraka... es `kioskebSi~ siaruli

sisulele ariso, ra saWiroao?! mokled, mTeli

sistema miwasTan gaaswora Tavad xelmZRvanelma.

xelfasi aqvs, daaxloebiT, 20 000 lari TveSi

da araferi ainteresebs qveyanaze. ar

dagimalavT - damrCa STabeWdileba, rom saqme

mqonda saSinlad araprofesional,

araadekvatur adamianTan~

gaSvebuli mamaCemi jixuris

daTvalierebaze. rogorc gavarkvieT,

Semovla-daTvalierebaze

rodesac midis adamiani,

ubralod, karebic rom gamoaRos

da Seixedos, marto ar

SeiZleba iyos. mas ubrZanes, rom

midi da daaerTeo. manamde

ofisSi mamaCemsa da mis ufross

seriozuli SekamaTeba mouvidaT

_ sanam mama jixurSi Sevidoda,

sxva brigadas hqonda namuSevari.

mamaCemi Sevida sxvis

namuSevarze, ar icoda, iq ra

xdeboda. mamaCemis gardacvalebis

Semdeg barkalaia ukve dums

amis Sesaxeb. sanam mama cocxali

iyo, telefonze vesaubreT. vki-

Txe, zustad ra moxda, rogor

aRmoCndi iq-meTqi? mipasuxa,

rom rac mibrZanes da damavales,

im saqmeze viyavi misulio.

ramdenjerme gamimeora, _ is

spectansacmeli, rac mecva, ar

unda damwvariyoo. arafriT megona,

is Tu daiwvebodao.

_ ra spectansacmelzea

saubari?

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

_ erTi TviT adre vinme

spartaki, Telasis TanamSromeli,

analogiur situaciaSi aRmoCnda

da gadarCa mxolod imitom,

rom ar ecva es spectansacmeli.

zed araferi Seadna,

Torem igive masStabis damwvroba

hqonda miRebuli.

_ „Telasis” TanamSromlebi

ase mal-male iwvebian?

_ yvelas hgonia, rom is spectansacmeli

icavs. ufrosi yovel

dilas TaTbirs iwyebda, rom

formebi gecvaTo. mamaCemis

erT-erTi qurTuki saxlSi

gvaqvs _ odnav ali rom miun-

ToT, momentalurad iwveba.

mamaCems Rrmad sjeroda, rom

forma, romelic ecva, cecxlis

alisgan icavda. vaSakiZe gveubneboda,

im formas vin Caicvams

sicxeSi, amoibugebao. gesmiT?!

maSin Caacvi iseTi forma, romelic

sicxeSic gamodgeba, siciveSic

da ar dawvavs xalxs...

da nu amarjvebineb tenderSi

imaT, vinc iafad Segasyidis nagavs.

daicavi Seni TanamSromlis

sicocxle! „Telasi” yovelTvis

aris marTali Tavis TanamSromlebTan,

yovelTvis

gamarjvebuli...

„qronika+~ meore mxares _

kompania „Telass” daukavSir-

da.

malxaz barkalaia _ „Telas-

Si” zurab maxaraSvilis cvlis

ufrosi:

_ b-no malxaz, zurab maxaraSvilis

cvlis ufrosi iyav-

iT?

_ viyavi, diax.

_ im dRes, rodesac es faq-

ti moxda, Cveulebrivi samuSao

dRe iyo?

_ diax, Cveulebrivi samuSao

dRe iyo.

_ ojaxis wevrebis gancxadebiT,

„Telasis” xelmZRvaneloba

ambobs, rom daRupuli

Tavisi nebiT wavida da Sevida

jixurSi, aravis gaugza-

vnia?

_ axla, dakiTxvas miwyobT?

_ Jurnalisti kiTxvebs

svams _ profesia gvaqvs aseTi.

_ ver gagcemT pasuxs, velodebi

gamoZiebas. Tqvenc daelodeT.

_ rasac axla gekiTxebiT,

gamoZiebasTan saerTod ar aqvs

kavSiri. naxeT, ra martiv kiTx-

vas gisvamT, _ cvlis ufrosi

iyaviT da Tqven gagzavneT jix-

urSi zurab maxaraSvili?

_ davaleba, ra Tqma unda,

miRebuli iyo.

_ spectansacmeli, romelic

Semovla-daTvalierebaze

gacviaT, is iwveba?

_ gamoZiebas davelodoT da

is gagcemT pasuxs.

avTo janeliZe _ „Telasis”

didi diRmis raionis ufrosi:

_ batono avTo, Tqveni spectansacmeli

ar icavs damwvrobisgan

„Telasis” TanamSrom-

lebs?

_ ramdenime saxis gaxlavT.

aris tipi, romelic iwveba da

aris, romelic ar iwveba.

romelic iwveba, imas icvamen

Semovla-daTvalierebis dros,

xolo imas, romelic ar iwveba

_ gadarTva-daerTebis dros.

_ tansacmlis im tips,

romelic iwveba da romelic

Semovla-daTvalierebis dros

acviaT, „Telasis” TanamSrom-

lebi silamazisTvis atareben?

_ cecxlgamZle erTi tipi

aris mxolod Semotanili.

_ zurab maxaraSvilis SemTx-

vevaSi ra moxda?

_ Semovla-daTvalierebaze

iyo gasuli. am dros, xelSeuxeblad,

vizualurad unda daa-

Tvaliero. Tu rames naxav saeWvos,

im wuTSi atyobinebs xelmZRvanel

pirs an vinc misca gankarguleba.

amis Semdeg, xelm-

ZRvaneli piri iRebs Semdgomi

moqmedebis gadawyvetilebas.

zurab maxaraSvilma kidev Tvi-

Tneburi gadawyvetileba miiRo

samuSaos gafarToebis, rac ar

unda gaekeTebina.

_ b-no avTo, albaT, gaazre-

buli gaqvT, rom 20, Tundac 30

wlis axalbedaze ki ar gvaqvs

saubari, aramed 30 wlis sta-

Jis mqone mexuTe Tanrigis mqone

specialistze, romelmac sx-

vebze kargad icoda, ra dros,

ra da rogor unda gaekeTebi-

na. TviTnebur gadawyvetileba-

ze cota ucnauria saubari.

_ 340-e dadgenilebaSi pirdapir

weria, ra samuSaos dros ra

da rogor sruldeba. sxva samuSaoebi

mas daTvalierebis garda

ar unda ewarmoebina.

_ Tqven iciT, rom Seexo?

_ Sexebuli aris.

_ 340-e dadgenilebaSi ra we-

ria _ Semovla-daTvalierebaze

erTi dadis Tu ori?

_ mesame jgufis erT adamians

SeuZlia daaTvalieros martom

da is iyo meoTxe jgufis.

ase rom, mas hqonda erTpirovnuli

daTvalierebis ufleba.

ori dadis im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

xdeba gadarTva, CarTva, gamorTva

da a. S.

_ gardacvlilis Svilis

gancxadebiT, mamam mas uTxra,

damavales da ise wavedi jix-

urSio...

_ me, rogorc xelmZRvanelma,

vicodi, rom davaleba zurab

maxaraSvils miRebuli hqonda

Semovla-daTvalierebaze. manamde

isic vicodi, rom mas samuSao

brigada unda daesva obieqtze,

gaTxriT samuSaoebze.

diax, davaleba hqonda micemuli,

rom daeTvalierebina es

jixuric, es mec vicodi.

_ davaleba barkalaiam gas-

ca?

_ diax, magas ra mniSvneloba

aqvs, Cemi moadgilea. mase mec

var Zabvis qveS Cavardnili da

gadavrCi. es imas ki ar niSnavs,

rom staJi rom aqvs, ar mouvides.

_ raRac Zalian xSirad iwve-

biT TanamSromlebi...

_ mas ecva forma, unda gaekeTebina

daTvaliereba da meti

araferi. daTvalirebis dros ra

formac ecva, is iyo sakmarisi.

zurab maRalaSvili _ „Telasis”

Tbilisis raionebis xe-

lmZRvaneli:

_ batono zurab, Tqven

SesTavazeT gardacvlil zurab

maxaraSvilis meuRle qeTevan

tyebuCavas samsaxurSi gaf-

ormeba _ ar ivlida da xelfass

miiRebda?

_ mere, mere...

_ ra mere... kiTxva gaur-

kvevelia?

_ Tqven ra gainteresebT?

_ rac gkiTxeT, is maintere-

sebs _ SesTavazeT dasaqmeba

kompensaciis saxiT Tu ara?

_ komentars ar gavakeTeb mag

Temaze, Tu SeiZleba.

_ Tu SeiZleba, rom mipasux-

oT... magram Tqveni nebaa.

„qronika+~ agrZelebs am

Temaze muSaobas.

19


„qronika+~-s xelT Cauvarda

irina makariZe

advokat giorgi onianis saqme,

romliTac sasamarTlo ganxilvi-

sas mosamarTlem (manuCar kapanaZe) ixelmZRvanela. saqmis 63-

65 gverdze aris notariulad damtkicebuli Cveneba, romel-

ic ekuTvnis braldebis mTavar mowme giorgi SarifaSvils. am

Cvenebis Sesaxeb informacia saqmis sasamarTlos ganxilvis

dasrulebamde ar hqonda dacvis mxaresa da braldebuls.

arada, es Cveneba srulad cvlida saqmis arssa da movlenebis

ganviTarebis perspeqtivas.

ra dokumentia es? _ es aris

braldebis mTavari mowmis, giorgi

SarifaSvilis notariulad damowmebuli

gancxadeba imis Sesaxeb,

rom man giorgi onianis winaaRmdeg

Cveneba misca zewolis Sedegad.

„ar msurs, Cems kiserze iyos

udanaSaulo adamianis, giorgi onianis

cixeSi gamoketva. yovelive

aRniSnulidan gamomdinare, minda,

davadasturo Semdegi: giorgi onians

ar Caudenia danaSauli,

romelsac mas mocemul momentSi

edavebian. versia, TiTqos politikuri

niSniT man daviT SaTiriSvilsa

da levan mdinaraZes Caudo

narkotikuli saSualeba, aris

tyuili da absurdi. is, rom es versia

aris absurduli, yvelaze kargad

icis prokuraturam, Tumca

maT interess arasodes warmoadgenda

am saqmeze simarTlis garkveva.

erTaderTi versia, rac prokuraturas

amoZravebs, es aris giorgi

onianis samagaliTod dasja”, _

wers SarifaSvili.

misive mtkicebiT, prokuraturis

TanamSromlebis mxridan misi da

saqmeSi mowmis saxiT myofi policiis

sxva TanamSromlebis mimarT

adgili hqonda SantaJs, muqaras,

iZulebas, araadamianur mopyrobas,

sxvadasxva dapirebis micemas giorgi

onianis mamxilebeli cru Cvenebis

sanacvlod.

rogorc cnobilia, gamoZieba

giorgi onians faqtobrivi mtkicebulebebis

gareSe, politikuri

partia „qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWer

levan mdinaraZis (DJ rembo)

ukanonod dakavebasa da mis

mimarT sisxlis samarTlis saqmis

xelovnurad Seqmnasa da mtkicebulebaTa

falsifikacias edaveboda.

braldebis mtkicebiT, giorgi

onianma saqmis gamomZiebels warudgina

narkotikuli saSualeba marixuana

da daavala, rom sisxlis samarTlis

saqmis masalebSi aesaxa am

narkotikuli saSualebis levan

mdinaraZisagan amoRebis faqti,

rac sinamdvileSi ar momxdara.

braldebis versiiT, giorgi onianma

identuri scenariT ukanonod

daakava politikuri gaerTianeba

„qarTuli ocnebis” logoiani maisurebis

damzadebisTvis Sps „daoprintis”

menejeri daviT SaTiriSvili.

aRniSnul ss saqmeSi Svidi piri

figurirebs, Tumca sxva Tanam-

Sromlebis mimarT sisxlissamarTlebrivi

devna Sewyda giorgi onianze

mamxilebeli Cvenebebis sanacvlod.

isini kvlav agrZelebdnen

muSaobas policiis organoebSi.

braldebis mTavari mowme ki giorgi

SarifaSvili gaxldaT.

dacvis mxarem waradgina videomasala,

sadac braldebis mxaris

erT-erTi mTavari mowme giorgi

SarifaSvili saubrobs, rom prokuraturaSi

mas Tanamdebobis sanacvlod

televiziaSi misvlasa da giorgi

onianis dadanaSaulebas sTavazobdnen.

es video sasamarTlom

mtkicebulebad ar miiRo, Tumca

Semdeg am videos safuZvelze oniani

mowmeze zewolaSi daadana-

Saules.

braldebis mxaris mowme giorgi

SarifaSvili imyofeboda saxalxo

damcvelTan, romelsac ganucxada

igive, rom Cveneba zewolis Sedegad

aqvs micemuli. amis Sesaxeb

saxalxo damcvelma uCa nanuaSvilma

ganacxada sasamarTlos winaSe,

Tumca sasamarTlom misi Cveneba ar

gaiziara.

ramdenime wlis winandeli saq-

mis detalebis gaxseneba yofil

saxalxo damcvels vTxoveT.

ai, ra ganucxada uCa nanuaSvil-

ma „qronika+~-s:

_ giorgi SarifaSvili, romelic

iyo giorgi onianis saqmeSi mTvari

mowme, namdvilad iyo CemTan

da isaubra, rom Cveneba, romlis

safuZvelzec giorgi oniani daakaves,

miacemines zewoliT. sasamarTlos

amis Sesaxeb Cveneba miveci

_ detaluri informacia. samwuxarod,

sasamarTlom sabolod

es ar gaiziara.

_ ramdenad sarwmunod mogeCve-

naT giorgi SarifaSvilis monaTx-

robi?

_ imdenad detalurad da damajereblad

axsna SarifaSvilma yvelaferi,

vfiqrob, rom is simar-

Tles ambobda. Tan saqmeSi iyo sxva

bevri saeWvo garemoeba. mTlianobaSi,

es CemTvis sakmarisi gaxldaT,

damenaxa, rom am saqmeSi marTlac

iyo darRvevebi. 7 adamiani daakaves

da yvela gaaTavisufles, garda

onianisa.

igive kiTxva uCa nanuaSvils

sasamarTloze prokurormac dausva,

razedac saxalxo damcvelma

daudastura, _ darwmunebuli rom

ar yofiliyo am adamianis gulwrfelobaSi,

maSin amis saTqmelad

sasamarTloSi ar mividoda.

es iyo saqarTvelos istoriaSi

erTaderTi precedenti sasamarTloSi

saxalxo damcvelis dakiTxvisa.

aRsaniSnavia, rom sasamarTlom

aseTi maRali figuris Cveneba

ar gaiTvaliswina. es faqti ki

Semdegi saxalxo damcvelis, nino

lomjarias angariSSi moxvda.

lomjarias 2018 wlis saparlamento

angariSSi miTiTebulia, rom

saxalxo damcvel uCa nanuaSvilis

Cvenebis miuRebloba sasamarTlom

kanonSeusabamo argumentiT daasabuTa.

ratom am miiRes saxalxo dam-

cvelis Cveneba?

braldebis mxaris gancxadebiT,

saxalxo damcvels mis xelT arsebuli

informaciiT prokuraturisTvis

unda miemarTa da ara _

sasamarTlosTvis.

Tu riT ixelmZRvenela uCa nanuaSvilma,

rodesac man CvenebisTvis

sasamarTlos mimarTa, amis

Sesaxeb yofil saxalxo damcvels

vkiTxeT:

„rodesac aseT faqtze mimar-

Taven, saxalxo damcveli, pirvel

rigSi, dazaralebulTan da msxverplTan

erTad ganixilavs saqmes da

iRebs gadawyvetilebas. aqedan gamomdinare,

saxalxo damcvels valdebuleba

ar aqvs, prokuraturas

mimarTos. piriqiT, imitomac mivmarTeT

sasamarTlos, rom am SemTxvevaSi

mTavari iyo swored onianis

ram aiZula advokati

goga oniani, aRiarebiTi

Cveneba mieca?

àr msurs, Cems

sindisze iyos

udanaSaulo adamianis

cixeSi gamoketva~

saqme da misi interesebis dacva.

gadawyvetileba miiReba konkretulad

im adamianebTan SeTanxmebiT,

visi sakiTxic ganixileba”, _ gangvicxada

nanuaSvilma.

saxalxo damcvel nino lomjarias

gancxadebiT, onianis saqmeSi

sxva darRvevebic iyo, magaliTad,

dauSvebeli mtkicebulebis gamoyeneba.

saubaria im videoze, romel-

Sic aRbeWdili gaxldaT giorgi

SarifaSvilis monaTxrobi.

saxalxo damcvelis angariSSi

vkiTxulobT: „g.o-s mimarT gamotanil

gamamtyunebel ganaCenSi braldebulis

qmedebis Sesaxeb gamoTqmuli

varaudi gadawyda braldebulis

sazianod”. anu sasamarTlos

mier dauSvebel mtkicebulebad

cnobili videoCanaweri, romelSic

SarifaSvili onianis saqmis Sesaxeb

saubrobda, gamoyenebul iqna

braldebulis sawinaaRmdegod.

„dasadastureblad miTiTebuli

mtkicebuleba, romelic ganaCenis

Tanaxmad, sasamarTlom saqmis arsebiTi

ganxilvis etapze TviTon

ar dauSva, Semdeg ki gamoiyena braldebulis

sawinaaRmdegod”, _ na-

Tqvamia saxalxo damcvelis angariSSi.

saxalxo damcvelis amave angariSis

Tanaxmad, morigi darRveva am

saqmeSi aris narkotik marixuanas

sakiTxSi eqspertis Cvenebis gauTvaliswinebloba:

„sasamarTlom saerTod

ar imsjela eqspertis Cvenebaze

da gaiziara mxolod policielebis

Cveneba”.

Sedegad, goga onianma aRiarebi-

Ti Cveneba misca, ris safuZvelzec

gauformda saproceso garigeba,

Sedegad ki man sasjelaRsrulebi-

Ti dawesebuleba datova.

cnobisTvis: Tbilisis saqalaqo

sasamarTlom 2017 wlis 7 noembers

giorgi oniani damnaSaved cno samsaxurebrivi

uflebamosilebis gadametebis,

gansakuTrebiT mZime

danaSaulis Sesaxeb mtkicebulebebis

falsifikaciis, politikuri

devnisa da ganzrax ukanono dakavebis

faqtze saqarTvelos sisxlis

samarTlis kodeqsis 333-e muxlis

pirveli nawiliT, 3691-e muxlis me-

3 nawiliT, 156-e muxlis meore nawilis

„b” qvepunqtiT da 25-147-e muxlis

pirveli nawiliT.

pirveli instanciis sasamarTlos

ganaCeniT, giorgi onians 4

wliTa da 6 TviT Tavisuflebis

aRkveTa hqonda misjili.

ganaCeni saapelacioSi gasaCivrda,

Tumca mas Semdeg, rac sasamar-

Tloze ar gamoCnda giorgi SarifaSvilis

notariulad damtkicebuli

Cveneba, giorgi oniani da-

Tanxmda saproceso SeTanxmebas,

romlis gaformebis mizniT man

brali srulad aRiara.

ris safuZvelzec, 2018 wlis

aprilSi gaformebuli saproceso

pirobebis Tanaxmad, 4 wlisa da 6

Tvis nacvlad, onians sapatimro

dawesebulebaSi 2 wlis moxda

daekisra, xolo 2 weli da 6 Tve

ganesazRvreba pirobiTi msjavri.

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`qarTuli politika sisxlian koridas daemsgavsa~

meore gverdidan

levan alafiSvili:

`droa, sazogadoebam

warmarTos

molaparakeba~

_ „qarTul ocnebaze” mniSvnelovan

gavlenas axdens quCis masStaburi pro-

testi, rac araerTxel davinaxeT. am

mocemulobaSi ratom ar gamodis xalxi

gareT? opozicia ki cdilobs, magram

xelisufleba ironiulad ambobs, rom

mxolod 20 aTasi gamohyavT.

_ es zustad imis gamoZaxilia, rom

jer isev aris SemorCenili Zaladobrivi,

arademokratiuli aspeqtebi qarTul

politikasa da sazogadoebaSi. demokratia

kunTebis TamaSi ar aris. piriqiT,

demokratia am Zalian kunTmagari

adamianebis kompromisebis xelovnebaa,

im Zlierma rogor SeinarCunos dialogi

masze sustTan, _ es aris demokratia.

rac Seexeba protests, am nawilSi ismis

Sefasebebi, rom, garkveulwilad, gulgatexilobasTan

gvaqvs saqme da amitom

ar aris masStaburi protesti. araviTar

SemTxvevaSi ase ar unda SevxedoT, piriqiT,

es CemTvis pozitiuri indikatoria

imisa, rom postprotestTan dakavSirebuli

Zaladoba da Zaladobrivi qmedebebi

politikaSi ukve daisSia, warsulia.

Zalas ara kompromisSi, aramed imaSi eZebdnen,

rom viRacas 20 aTasi kaci gamohyavda.

protests sxvadasxva forma aqvs

da axali Taoba, romelsac „ivnisis Taobas”

vuwodeb, swored amas iziarebs.

samwuxaroa, rom me da Cemi Taoba, maT

Soris, Cemi Taobis politikosebi, ver

gamovediT im tyveobidan, protestis

formebTan dakavSirebiTac. mudmivma

aqciebma, „gaumarjos“ da „gadadeqis“

yvirila, maSin Tavisi saqme Seasrula.

Cven rac SegveZlo, davangrieT sabWo-

Ta kavSiri. axal etapze gadasvla arc

gvicdia da SeiZleba, droc ar gvqonda

amisTvis. 2015 wlis ivnisSi, roca veris

xeobaSi wyaldidoba moxda, axalgazrdebis

gamosvla da socialuri solidaroba,

garkveulad protestic iyo,

_ am axalgazrdebs mTavroba exveweboda,

_ ar gvWirdebiT, xels nu SegviSli-

To, axalgazrdebi ki, maT Soris, Cemi

studentebi, yvelaze mZime samuSaos asruldebdnen.

am dros mTavrobam daiwyo

politkuri TamaSi, aecilebina pasuxismgebloba,

zooparkis direqtori

daeWira da, misTvis Seexoca xeli. axalgazrdebi

ki dasvrili xelebiTa da

niCbebiT mividnen kancelariasTan, faqti

gaaprotestes, ramac Sedegi gamoi-

Ro. madloba RmerTs, zurab gurieliZe

am saqmes zvarakiviT ar Seswires da sakuTari

pasuxismgebloba amiT ar Camoiricxes,

_ es axalgazrdebis protestis

damsaxurebaa. aseve gavixsneb kreatiul

protests, rodesac axalgazrdebma

icodnen, rom maT usmendnen da erTmane-

TSi daiwyes saubari, viTom parlamentis

Senobis win unda moewyoT raRac

aqcia, ris Semdegac policia srulad

mobilizda, arada, parlamentTan sul 4-

5 axalgazrda mivida, inteleqtiT Zlierebi

da ubralod dascines maT, iqve

gaanadgures. CemTvis, gulwrfelad rom

giTxraT, 100-aTasian protestze ufro

efeqturi iyo maTi nabiji. am axalgazrdebma

sistema gaaSiSvles.

_ dRes arsebul politikur CixSi ra

funqcia aqvs „ivnisis Taobas“ da

rogor SeiZleba mivides xelisufleba

da opozicia konsensusamde? ra SemTx-

vevaSi Seva opozicia parlamentSi?

_ mandatebze uaris Tqma protestis

garkveuli forma iyo. me Tanmimdevruli

da demokratiuli ganviTarebis momxre

var. xistad mandatebze uaris Tqma

upirobod misaRebi ar iyo, magram aq

mTavaria is, rom protests mizani aqvs.

- poltikosebis miznis gagebas metnaklebad

vcdilobT, magram aris Tu

ara es mizani samoqalaqo sazogadoebisa

da axalgazrdebis moTxovnebis adekvaturi?

am molaparakebebis procesSi

ar ismis samoqalaqo sazogadoebis xma,

maTi karnaxi. ase rom, Cven axla Segvi-

Zlia vimsjeloT da davsvaT kiTxva: im

politikosebs Soris, romlebsac gansxvavebuli

miznebi aqvT, ra SeiZleba moxdes

samomavlod? am yvelafers Tu

globaluri suraTis gareSe SevxedeT,

isev is mocemuloba dagvrCeba, romel-

Sic varT, sadac erT mxares arian politikosebi,

meore mxares _ sazogadoeba,

romelic ar axsovs politikosebs. marto

ar unda davtovoT politikosebi,

maT Soris, am molaparakebebSi da ufro

soliduri, Tanmimdevruli moTxovnebi

unda gaCndes. sxvaTa Soris, sxvadasxva

samoqalaqo jgufs Soris konsensusi

ufro adviladac miiRweva. Zalian mniSvnelovania,

rom samoqalaqo sazogadoeba

Camoyalibdes da evrokavSiri iqneba

Tu aSS, Cvenma politikosebma erTiani

gzavniliT unda miawvdinon xma mTavar

sakiTxze: Cven, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi,

amas viTxovT! Cveni saxelmwifo

xval, zeg da mazeg ase warmogvidgenia,

Sesabamisad, modiT, vilaparakoT, dagvexmareT!

samoqalaqo sazogadoebam ki

unda hkiTxos polit-kosebs, maT dakve-

Tas rogor Seasruleben da amis mixedviT

unda amoarCion isini. sxva gzas,

ubralod, ver vxedav. ufro intensiur

da presingis reJimSi unda amyofos

samoqalaqo sazogadoebam da momavalma

Taobam politikosebi da ase unda uzurnvelvyoT

Cveni saxelmwifos gaZliereba.

samSoblo erTi gvaqvs da, Sesabamisad,

Tqven gareSe ver viarsebeb, radgan

saxelmwifo ar iarsebebs _ es unda

davinaxoT yvelam. Tqven gareSe, ubralod,

samSoblos davkargav. TiToeulma

politikosma es unda gaiazros. mmar-

Tveli gundis wevrebma unda icodnen,

rom oponentebi SeiZleba didad ar moswondeT,

magram maT gareSe samyaroSi

ver iarsebeben. magaliTad, saqarTvelos

moqalaqe arCil TalakvaZe ver

iarsebebs saqarTvelos moqalaqe zurab

jafariZis gareSe, Tu saqarTvelo iqna.

_ pirvel aprils gavrcelda evro-

parlamentarebis sakmaod kritikuli

gancxadeba, sadac saubaria saqarTve-

èvroparlamentarebis werilze, umravlesobis lider gia

volskis teqsti, rom 7 evroparlamentari acxadebs

sanqciebis Sesaxeb, magram iq asobiT deputatiao, swored es

aris qarTuli politika. bavSvebi rom erTmaneTs

niSnismogebiT eubnebian, iseT stilSi Tqva volskim.

realurad, ra dgas am gancxadebis miRma da rogor

SeiZleba ganviTardes movlenebi, amaze fiqric ki ar undaT~

losTan mimarTebiT finansuri daxmarebis

SeCerebaze. raze miuTiTebs ma-

Ti es gzavnili, romelic xelisuflebam

araseriozulad aRiqva da magali-

Tad, gia volski acxadebs, rom es mxolod

7 evroparlamentaris gancxade-

baa?

_ bolo periodSi ganviTarebuli movlenebis

kvalobaze, somxeT-azerbaijanis

konfliqti, misi ganviTareba da dasruleba,

iniciativebi, romlebic regionSi

Cndeba, evropasa da amerikas, strategiuli

da usafrTxoebis TvalsazrisiT,

sxva gamosavals ar utovebs, garda

imisa, rom saqarTvelo SeinarCunos

da gaaZlieros _ saqarTvelo da ara

romelime politikuri Zala. Sesabamisad,

darwmunebuli var, rom isini yvela

demokratiuli saSualebiT uzrunvelyofen

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis demokratiuli

mmarTvelobis stilze dabrunebas.

evroparlamentarebis werilze,

umravlesobis lider gia volskis teqsti,

rom 7 evroparlamentari acxadebs

sanqciebis Sesaxeb, magram iq asobiT deputatiao,

swored es aris qarTuli

politika. bavSvebi rom erTmaneTs niSnismogebiT

eubnebian, iseT stilSi Tqva

volskim. realurad, ra dgas am gancxadebis

miRma da rogor SeiZleba ganvi-

Tardes movlenebi, amaze fiqric ki ar

undaT. evroparlamentarebis gadawyvetilebis

miRebis masStabi rom warmovidginoT,

am 7-kacian jgufs maT ukan

mdgom politikur Zalebs Tu davamatebT,

romlebic evroparlamentsa da

evropul struqturuebSi arian warmodgenili,

ufro cxadi gaxdeba suraTi.

aseve pirvel aprils „amerikis xmasTan”

amerikis saxelmwifo departamentis ma-

RalCinosnis gancxadeba rom gavixsenoT,

man migvaniSna, saqarTvelos amerika exmareba,

15 miliardi aqvs am periodis

ganmavlobaSi miRebuli da es finansuri

daxmareba upirobo veRar iqnebao. miT

umetes, SarSan pirobiTi daxmareba gvqonda

da rogor dasruldeba es, jer ar

viciT. anu amerikidanac gaisma msgavsi

tipis gzavnili, am mocemulobaSi ki simwris

siciliT SegviZlia visaubroT.

rodesac saxel-wifo biujeti gaxariam,

am politikur jgufTan erTad, kbilebiT

gaitana da es biujeti, srulad

valia, rodesac ekonomika am uazro regulaciebiT

da CaketviT gaanadgures,

evropidan da amerikidan Semosuli fuli

ki winasaarCevnod gamoiyenes da ara saxelmwifos

miznebisTvis, saxelmwifo,

ubralod, gaRatakda.

Sida vali saxelmwifo biujetsa da

mTavrobas Tavs rom ver gaataninebs, im-

TaviTve cnobilia, gare vals ki saidanac

iReben, yvelam viciT. am fonze xelisufleba

SeSfoTebuli rom SeiZleba

iyos, amis mizezi gaxlavT finansTa ministris

gadadgoma _ valTan dakavSirebuli

tranzaqcia droulad ver ganxorcielda,

ramac, savaraudod, biujetze

imoqmeda. Tuki politikas, gverdiT gaadavdebT,

wlis dasawyisSi fuli aqvs

saxelmwifos, biujeti axali damtkicebulia,

magram, rogorc Cans, ekonomika

da Cveni mdgomareoba im donezea Semcirebuli,

rom gadasaxadebiTac ver

avseben srulad. fulis erTaderTi wyaro

garedan rCeba da amis gaTvaliswineba

mouwevs xelisuflebas. mTavrobisa

da xelisuflebis is wevrebi, romlebsac

pasuxismgeblobis grZnoba aqvT,

axla Zalian mZime dReSi iqnebian.

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ras erCoda policia aqtivistebs?

ram gaaRiziana gia vol-

ski? ramdenad adekvaturi iyo

xelisuflebis reaqcia deputatis

uzrdelobaze? ras hpirde-

ba mas samoqalaqo seqtori? _ am

Temebis Sesaxeb dimitri biZinaS-

vili „qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ dimitri, 2 aprils „qarTuli

ocnebis” erT-erTma liderma

samoqalaqo aqtivistebs ux-

amsi Jesti gaCvenaT. amas Tqveni

mxridan protesti mohyva. am

protestis gamo policiam 12

aqtivisti daakava. mogvianebiT,

gia volskim ganmarta, uzrde-

loba gulSic ki ar gamivlia,

nervis anTeba mawuxebs da elas-

tikuri binti Sevisworeo.

_ es aris samarcxvino gancxadeba!

sanam volski Tavis gamamarTlebel

arguments moifiqrebda,

mamuka mdinaraZem ganmartebebi

gaakeTa. man Tqva, volskis

sqcieli mosawoni ar aris, magram

damnaSaveebi mainc samoqalaqo

aqtivistebi ariano. anu mdinaraZem

aRiara, rom volskim iuzrdela.

_ es „ocnebis” axalma saxe

nikoloz samxaraZemac aRiara.

isic Tqven gadanaSaulebT, rom

volskim uzrdelurad iqnia xe-

lebi.

_ Tavidan aRiares, rom volskim

iuzrdela da mere Seecadnen,

firfita SeecvalaT, radganac

dainaxes, rom volskis uzrdelobas

sazogadoebis mxridan

didi protesti mohyva. gia volski

aris arSemdgari Zveli biWi.

is gaxlavT komunisti, romelic

cekas instruqtorad muSaobda.

am adamianisgan aseTi uzrdeloba

ar mikvirs. piriqiT, movelodi

kidevac, rom raRac msgavss

Caidenda.

_ ratom elodiT, rom aseT

rames Caidenda?

_ imitom, rom Cven misi da

„ocnebis” sayvareli okupantebi

gavyareT saqarTvelodan. rogor

ggoniaT, „qarTuli ocneba” poznerisa

da misi amalis gaZevebas

ase iolad gadaitanda? pirdapir

amas ukavSirdeba volskis es reaqcia.

Cven aqamdec araerTxel mogviwyvia

aqcia „qarTuli ocnebis”

ofisTan, dagvistvenia sastvenebiT,

maT Soris, volskisTvisac,

magram is arasdros gadmosula

manqanidan. axla mZRols

demonstraciulad gaaCerebina

22


`TalakvaZis poeziaze gazrdili

1994 wlis msoflio Cempionatze

Sorena marsagiSvili

germaniis safexburTo nakrebis

599 92 16 22

mTavarma mwvrTnelma Stefan efen-

bergi nakrebidan mokveTa. da es

imis gamo gaakeTa, rom efenbergma mayurebels, romelic mas

aginebda, Sua TiTi uCvena. mwvrTnelma Tavisi gadawyvetileba

imiT axsna, rom fexburTelma upativcemuloba gamoiCina im

mayureblis mimarT, romelmac Tavisi sayvareli nakrebis Tama-

Sis sayureblad fuli gadaixada. warmoidgineT, ra moxdeboda

germaniaSi, iqauri parlamentis wevrs samoqalaqo aqtivistebi-

sTvis amgvari JestiT rom miemarTa. mas, ubralod, politikurad

gaanadgurebdnen. Cvens SemTxvevaSi ki saqme sxvagvar-

ad aris. imis magivrad, rom uxamsi Jestis maCvenebeli gia vol-

skis gawveva moeTxovaT parlamentidan, „qarTulma ocnebam” misi

gamarTleba daiwyo. policiam is samoqalaqo aqtivistebi daaka-

va, romlebsac volskim uzrdeluri Jesti uCvena. dakavebulTa

Soris iyo moZraoba „Secvales” lideri dimitri biZinaSvilic.

dimitri biZinaSvili:

àrSemdgar Zvel

biW volskis

uzrdelobas

aRar gavutarebT~

manqana, gadmovida da SviliSvilis

tola bavSvebs es Jesti aCvena.

amiT is Zalian amayi iyo.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom amayi

iyo?

_ am Jestis Cvenebis Semdeg

bednieri da gabrwyinebuli saxiT

Sevida avtosadgomze. rogorc

ukve giTxariT, Cven „ocnebis”

ofisTan aqamdec dagvistvenia,

magram volski arasdros

gadmosula manqanidan. axla gadmovida,

radgan pozneris gagdebis

gamo gaRizianebuli iyo. pozneris

aq SemoSveba gavrilovis

provokaciis identuria. qarTul

sazogadoebas amaze adekvaturi

reaqcia hqonda. am reaqciam okupantebi

aiZula, ukan gabrunebuliyvnen.

aman „qarTuli ocneba”

Zalian gaabraza. „qarTul ocnebaze”

Cvenc Zalian gabrazebuli

viyaviT da amitom mivediT maT

ofisTan. aseTi rameebis gatareba

da gamarTleba ar SeiZleba.

okupirebuli afxazeTidan gadmosul

qarTvelebs 5-dRian karantinSi

svamen. 21:00 saaTis Semdeg

Cvens moqalaqeebs saxlidan

cxviris gamoyofas ukrZalaven.

am dros ruseTidan Camosul ramdenime

aTeul adamians yovelgvari

karantinis gareSe uSveben

qveyanaSi da komendantis saaTis

dros eskortiT daabrZaneben

aqeT-iqiT, mihyavT restoranSi,

aqeifeben, elarjs uwelaven. gia

volski, Turme, Zalian gaRizianda,

es usamarTloba rom gavaprotesteT.

gia volski marTla arSemdgari

Zveli biWi da cekas instruqtori

Tu ar aris, imaze unda

gaRizianebuliyo, xurvaleTeli

daTa papas samZimarze rom ver

mivediT. Cven ki ara, gardacvlilis

SviliSvilic ki ar gadauSves

mavTulxlarTis iqiT, rom

babua ukanasknel gzaze gaecilebina.

voslkis Tu hgonia, rom Tavisi

JestiT vinme SeaSina, Zalian

cdeba. amis mere arSemdgar Zvel

biWs kidev ufro sakadrisad davxvdebiT.

sadac vnaxavT, iq miiRebs

Sesabamiss pasuxs. tipi arc

Zveli biWia, arc politikosia,

erTi Cveulebrivi ruseTumea,

romelic qarTveli xalxis reaqciiT

gaRizianda. misic mesmis,

pozneri da misi Tanmxlebi pirebi

xom realurad „ocnebis” Tanagundelebi

arian.

arSemdgari Zveli biWis uzrdelobas

sazogadoebaSi Zalian

mkveTri reaqcia mohyva. am ruse-

Tumes bodiSis moxdac ar unda

da axla gaiZaxis, rom Turme

elastikur bints isworebda,

radgan raRac awuxebs. kargad

vici, rac awuxebs. awuxebs is, rom

qarTveli xalxi aq russ okupantebs

Tavisuflad aRar aparpaSebs.

mis qmedebaze komentaris

gakeTebac miWirs. aseTi qmedeba,

ubralod, warmoudgenelia.

_ ratom aris warmoudgene-

li? 2019 wlis noemberSi, im

dRes, roca umravlesobam sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi Caag-

do, parlamentTan Sekrebil

xalxs kalaZem Sua TiTi ar aCve-

na? amgvari Jestebis ena, etyoba,

„ocnebaSi” Cveulebrivi amba-

via.

_ ki batono, es maTi mentalobis

nawilia. didi zrdilobiT

arc kaxa kalaZe gamoirCeva. ra

hgoniaT an kalaZes an volskis,

rom am JestebiT aqtivistebsa da

sazogadoebas SeaSineben? Zalian

cdebian.

_ patara xar da ar gemaxsovreba

es ambavi: 1994 wlis msof-

lio Cempionatze germaniis na-

krebidan mokveTes Stefan efen-

bergi, romelmac mayurebels

Sua TiTi aCvena. mis dasacavad

Tavi aravis gamoudevs, volskis

dasacavad ki mTeli „qarTuli

ocneba” dairazma.

_ Stefan efenbergi imitom

mokveTes nakrebidan, rom germania

evropuli qveyanaa, sadac

xalxis Seuracxyofa aravis epatieba.

Cven is ver movaxerxeT,

rom dasavluri relsebidan

rusul relsebze gadasvla SegveCerebina.

ruseTisken aris gezi

aRebuli. ruseTsa da mis msgavss

qveynebSi aseTi gadawyvetilebebis

miReba cota rTulia.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom ver

vaCerebT rusul relsebze ga-

dasvlis process? 31 martis

aqcia imis naTeli magaliTi iyo,

rom saqarTvelosa da mis axal-

gazrdobas ar surs, qveyana

CrdiloeTisken mimaval gzas

daadges.

_ Cven, sazogadoeba, arc arasdros

gadavalT rusul relsebze.

am SemTxvevaSi saxelisuflebo

kastas vgulisxmob. aq mmarTv-

`sanam volski Tavis gamamarTlebel arguments

moifiqrebda, mamuka mdinaraZem ganmartebebi

gaakeTa. man Tqva, volskis sqcieli mosawoni

ar aris, magram damnaSaveebi mainc

samoqalaqo aqtivistebi ariano. anu

mdinaraZem aRiara, rom volskim iuzrdela~

eloba aris sufTa rusuli stilis.

sazogadoebac rom rusul

yaidaze gadaewyos, kalaZe da

volski ase uzrdelurad ki ar

daiwyeben xelebis qnevas. kargad

daimaxsovron „qarTuli ocnebis”

liderebma: maT swored samoqalaqo

sazogadoeba agebinebs

pasuxs imis gamo, rom es qveyana

daaqcies!

_ yofili premieri giorgi

kvirikaSvili da ekonomikis yo-

fili ministri giorgi qobulia,

erTi SexedviT, am xelisufleb-

is winaaRmdegni arian. 31 marts

mowyobili aqcia orive maTganma

daiwuna. acxadeben, es turistebs

dagvakargvinebs da qveyanas

daazaralebso. am adami-

anebs ras etyodiT?

_ ra komentari unda gavakeTo

kvirikaSvilze? ra uflebiT gvmoZRvravs,

turistebi aRar movlen

da xalxi gaRatakdebao? Zalian

sasaciloa, rodesac xalxis

gaRatakebaze nerveulobs is

kaci, romelic xalxis gaRatakebis

gamo gaagdo ivaniSvilma premierobidan.

raRac ar maxsendeba,

rom maSin amaze kvirikaSvils

ganmarteba gaekeTebina. man imis

Tqmac ki ver gabeda, xalxi da

qveyana ar gamiRatakebiao.

_ kvirikaSvilze vsaubrobT

da arc is 700 milioni unda

daviviwyoT, misi premierobis

dros rom gaqra biujetidan.

_ ratom unda daviviwyoT? es

700 milioni man da dimitri qumsiSvilma

gaaqres. amaze prokuraturamac

ki aRZra saqme. saqme

aRZres imitom, rom biZina ivaniSvilis

garemocvasTan ar miitanes

wili. kvirikaSvili da misi msgavsi

adamianebi dRemde „qarTul

ocnebasa” da oligarqze arian

Camokidebuli. xalxi gaaRatakes,

qveynis biujeti gaZarcves da

axla stumar-maspinZlobas gviwuneben.

gveubnebian, _ mteri,

romelic ambobs, rom afxazeTi

arasdros iqneba saqarTvelo,

Turme taSfanduriT unda mivi-

RoT. mtris winaSe cekva-TamaSs

Tu normalurad miiCneven, amieridan

Tavad daxvdnen pozneris

msgavss tipebs, ucekvon da

SemdegSi okupantebTan erTad

gavyriT maT qveynidan.

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òcneba~ vaJas nu gvaswavlis~

saqarTvelosa da ruseTs

Soris pirdapiri frenebi ar

aris. am dros moskovidan mofrinavs

Carteruli reisi. rogor

ggoniaT, ar icoda Cvenma xelisuflebam,

aq vin mofrinavda

drois satareblad? Zalian kargad

icoda. iseve icodnen, rogorc

is, Tu ra gancxadebebi hqondaT

am adamianebs gakeTebuli.

pozneric iseve Tavad dapatiJes,

rogorc rusi komunisti gavrilovi.

_ ise, ra damTxvevaa, ara, gav-

rilovi im savarZelSi Casves,

saidanac gamsaxurdiam qveynis

damoukidebloba gamoacxada;

putinis propagandisti pozneri

ki 31 marts, gamsaxurdias da-

badebis dRes, Camoiyvanes. 31

marti im referendumis dRecaa,

romliTac qarTvelma xalxma

saqarTvelos damoukideblobas

dauWira mxari.

_ aranairi damTxveva araa.

sul imas vambob, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” simboloebs ebrZvis. is,

rac CvenTvis mniSvnelovania,

amas upirispirdeba oligarqi.

oRond rusebs asiamovnon da

saqarTvelos istorias gadaweren.

usircxvilo mdinaraZe gamodis

da Cvenze ambobs, samoqalaqo

aqtivistebi rusul saqmes akeTebeno.

rusul saqmes akeTeben egeni!

Cven maT saqmianobas vaprotestebT.

Cven ar SeveguebiT imas,

rom saqarTvelo gaxdes ruseTis

gubernia. rusebi saqarTvelos

ukve rogorc Tavis gubernias,

ise aRiqvamen. es pozneris stumrobamac

daadastura. es rusebi

komendantis saaTis dros ise

daiarebodnen, rogorc TavianT

miwa-wyalze. aq arsebul kanonsac

arad dagidevdnen. CemTvis Soki

iyo is, Tu rogor iqceoda Cveni

policia. gaognebuli vuyurebdi,

eskortiT rogor daabrZanebdnen

rusebis delegacias. am delegaciis

wevrebidan arc erTi aRiarebs

saqarTvelos teritoriul

mTlianobas. „qarTuli ocnebis”

logikiT, maTTvis aqcia ar unda

mogvewyo da taSiT unda davxvedrodiT.

saqarTvelo marTla

demokratiuli qveyana rom iyos,

„ocnebas” okupantebis maspinZloba

Zalian Zviri daujdeboda.

warmoudgeneli rameebi xdeba

Cvens Tavs. saWiroa xalxis gamofxizleba.

male Tu ar gamovfxizldiT,

erTxelac iqneba da ruseTSi

gaviRviZebT. aqamde bevri

aRar gviklia. gamogvketaven yvelas

da gansxvavebuli azris gamoxatvis

uflebac ar mogvecema.

ise, TiTqmis ukve ruseTSi varT.

gia volskim iuzrdela da amis

gamo 12 aqtivisti dagvakaves.

_ Tumca maleve gagaTavisu-

fles.

_ gamogviSves, magram erTi

Cveni TanamebrZoli mainc daitoves.

_ nikuSa farulavaze ambobT?

_ ki, nikuSa droebiTi dakavebis

izolatorSi datoves. Sefasebac

ki miWirs, imdenad warmoudgeneli

rameebi xdeba. am

„qocebs” yvelaferi rogor unda

`saqarTvelosa da ruseTs Soris pirdapiri frenebi ar aris. am dros

moskovidan mofrinavs Carteruli reisi. rogor ggoniaT, ar icoda Cvenma

xelisuflebam, aq vin mofrinavda drois satareblad? Zalian kargad icoda.

iseve icodnen, rogorc is, Tu ra gancxadebebi hqondaT am adamianebs gakeTebuli.

pozneric iseve Tavad dapatiJes, rogorc rusi komunisti gavrilovi~

epatios? erT dros Cveni saamayo

policia gadaqceulia rusul

miliaciad. miliaciac aRar aris,

ufro ivaniSvilis piradi yarayulebi

arian! imis magivrad,

rom kanoni daicvan da kriminals

ebZolon, biZina ivaniSvilsa da

„qarTuli ocnebis” ofiss yarauloben.

amasobaSi, kriminali

imatebs. araferi saimedo da kargi

aRar xdeba qveyanaSi. zeTis

fasze mTeli saqarTvelo viciniT

da vxumrobT, magram saxumarod

namdvilad ar gvaqvs

saqme. adamianebi elementarulad

purs veRar yiduloben, ise gaZvirda

yvelaferi.

_ produqtebi axseneT da po-

znerisTvis nasrol kvercxebze

unda gkiTxoT. aris aseTi dep-

utati irma zavradaSvili. arCevnebamde

mas didubis gamgeblis

pozicia ekava. am qalma sruli

seriozulobiT moiTxova imis

garkveva, saidan moitaneT poz-

nerisTvis dasaSeni kvercxebio?

_ qalbaton irmas Zalian

gaukvirdeba, axla rasac vityvi:

SevediT maRaziaSi da Cveni saku-

Tari fuliT viyideT es kvercxebi.

misgan da misi Tanapartielebisgan

gansxvavebiT, Cven

biujetis fuls ar viparavT. Sei-

Zleba, qalbatonma irmam ar icis,

rom maRaziaSi kvercxi iyideba.

Tu ar sjera, SegviZlia, maRazia-

Si waviyvanoT da vanaxoT es kvercxebi.

aqve isic minda vTqva, rom

arc „ocnebis” wevrebisTvis dagvenaneba

kvercxebis yidva.

_ ras gulisxmobT, „qarTuli

ocnebis” wevrebisTvisac apir-

ebT kvercxebis daSenas?

_ aqamde midis saqme. ukve ise

amazrzenad iqcevian, rom sxva gamosavals

aRar gvitoveben. saqveynod

vacxadeb: qveynis rusul

relsebze gadayvanas Tu ar moeSvebian,

maTac gavumaspinZldebiT

kvercxebiT! zeTisa ar iyos, kvercxic

gaZvirda, magram ramenairad

viyidiT. irma zavradaSvilisgan

aranair SeniSvnas ar miviRebT.

_ ratom ar miiRebT?

_ ratom unda miviRoT meqr-

Tame, korumpirebuli Cinosnisgan

SeniSvna?! es qalbatoni wleb-

`ra komentari unda gavakeTo kvirikaSvilze? ra

uflebiT gvmoZRvravs, turistebi aRar movlen

da xalxi gaRatakdebao? Zalian sasaciloa,

rodesac xalxis gaRatakebaze nerviulobs is

kaci, romelic xalxis gaRatakebis gamo gaagdo

ivaniSvilma premierobidan~

is ganmavlobaSi didubis gamgebeli

gaxldaT. misi naTesavi

didubis gamgeobis kuTvnil kompiuterebs

alombardebda. aseTi

adamianebi dRes qveynis umaRless

sakanonmdeblo organoSi

sxedan, rac Cveni qveynis sircxvilia.

sircxvilia isic, isini

teleeTerebSi rom Canan da maT

Jurnalistebi azrs ekiTxebian.

_ Cvenc ra vqnaT? parlamen-

tSi egeni arian da maTTvis

azris kiTxva gviwevs.

_ JurnalistebTan aranairi

pretenzia ar gamaCnia. Tqven yvelas

unda hkiTxoT azri. qveynis

ubedureba isaa, rom zavradaSvilis

msgavsi xalxi zis parlamentSi

da saqveyno saqmeebs wyvets.

man ra kanoni unda daweros, roca

Tavad aris korumpirebuli?.

didubis gamgeoba araerT skandalSi

gaexvia am wlebSi. qalbatoni

irma sanam samoqalaqo aqtivistebisken

gamoiSvers xels,

sakuTar naTesavebs mixedos,

romlebic gamgeobaSi hyavda gaformebuli.

erT-erTma maTganma

aiRo da gamgeobis kuTvnili kompiuterebi

daalombarda.

_ ratom daalombarda?

_ fuli dasWirda, adga da

daalombarda.

_ iyo saSualeba da sakuTar

kompiuters xom ar daalom-

bardebda?

_ saxelmwifos qoneba sakuTrebad

miaCniaT da rasac undaT,

imas akeTeben. aseT skandalSi

rom gagxvies naTesavebma, samoqalaqo

aqtivistebisken xeli rogor

unda gaiSviro? magram qalbatoni

irmasgan sxvas arc velodi.

Zalian mewyineboda, misi mosawoni

saqcieli rom Camedina.

bolos rom damakaves, winaaRmdegobis

gaweva arc mifiqria. Cemi

nebiT mivyvebodi, radganac meamayeboda,

ris gamoc damiWires.

me da Cemi megobrebi imis gamo

dagvakaves, rom qveynis okupacias

vaprotestebdiT.

_ okupaciis gaprotesteba

danaSaulia?

_ ukve danaSaulia. „qarTuli

ocnebis” gadawyvetilebiT qveynis

okupaciis gaprotesteba dasjadi

gaxda.

_ samagierod, dasjadi araa

saqarTvelos droSis gadagdeba.

yvelam vnaxeT is kadrebi, sadac

policielma aqciis monawileebs

droSa waarTva da moisrola.

_ ruseTis msaxuri xelisufleba

damoukidebeli saqarTvelos

simbolikis Seuracxyofaze

vis dasjis? ar gamikvirdeba, madlobasac

Tu etyvian. samagierod,

okupaciis gaprotesteba gaxda

danaSauli. rogorc vatyob,

„qarTuli ocneba” ukve warmavalia,

es rom gardauvalia, amas

Tavadac xvdebian da axla Zalis

gamoyenebiT cdoloben, rom xelisuflebaSi

yofna rogorme

gaixangrZlivon. es didxans ar

gagrZeldeba. Zalian male dasruldebian.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

male dasruldebian?

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” yvela

qmedeba miuTiTebs, rom maTi

mmarTveloba dasasruls miuaxlovda.

is adamianebi, romlebic

samoqalaqo aqtivistebs devnian,

kanonis winaSe ageben pasuxs. isini

qarTveli xalxis winaSe imis

gamo ageben pasuxs, rom Cveni

qveyana, faqtobrivad, ruseTis

guberniad aqcies. es xalxi da es

qveyana damoukideblobas ar da-

Tmobs. ukve meored CaiSala evrokavSiris

egidiT gamarTuli

molaparakebebi. meore raundsac

danielsoni xelmZRvanelobda.

CaSlili molaparakebebidan gamosulma

danielsonma Tqva, saqarTvelos

hyavs Zalian kargi Jurnalistebi

da sazogadoeba da

maT unda daweron axali furcelio.

es pirdapiri miniSneba iyo

imaze, rom es qveyana Cveni gadasarCenia

da am qveynis gadasarCenad

unda vibrZoloT. ukve wlebia,

vibrZvi am qveynisTvis, Cems

megobrebTan erTad am brZolas

momavalSic gavagrZeleb. saer-

Tod ar mainteresebs, ras ityvis

Cemze korumpirebuli Cinosani,

romelic axla qveynis umaRless

sakanonmdeblo organoSi zis.

_ Tqveni moZraoba „Secvale”

„nacionalebTan” asocirdeba.

„ocnebis” logikiT, vinc xe-

lisuflebas akritikebs, „nacia”.

erTi rame mainteresebs, vaJa-

fSavela xom gaqvT wakiTxuli?

_ ra Tqma unda, wakiTxuli

maqvs, magram es ra SuaSia Cems aqtivobasTan,

raRac ver gavige.

_ es imitom gkiTxeT, rom

irakli kobaxiZem Tqva, „naci”

Tavisi bunebiT antivaJaa da vi-

sac vaJa wakiTxuli aqvs, „naci”

ver iqnebao.

_ irakli kobaxiZes ar aqvs,

etyoba, vaJa wakiTxuli an waikiTxa

da Sinaarsi ver gamoitana.

okupaciisa da ukanonobis gaprotesteba

Tu „nacobaa”, viqnebi

„naci”. ise, mainteresebs, vaJam

sad dawera, rom okupants unda

umaspinZloo? „ocnebaSi” iseTi

xalxia, sadme amoikiTxavdnen. magaT

Tavisi kanonebi aqvT da Tavisi

mwerlebi hyavT. Tavisi mwerlebi

dawerdnen okupant-maspin-

Zlobaze da hgoniaT, rom vaJam

dawera. arCil TalakvaZis poeziaze

gazrdili „ocneba” vaJas

nu gvaswavlis.

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

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advokati laSa janibegaSvili VS

uflebadamcveli baia pataraia

advokat laSa janibegaSvilis

irina makariZe

gancxadebiT, cnobil uflebadam-

cvels 6 wliT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa

emuqreba, radganac mis winaaRmdeg saqme aRZrulia TviTmkvlelobamde

miyvanis _ ss kodeqsis 115-e muxliT. advokati ufle-

badamcvels mtkicebulebebis gayalbebaSic adanaSaulebs. laSa

janibegaSvilis TqmiT, mas agenti provokatorebi miugzavnes, Sed-

egad ki mis winaaRmdeg seqsualuri Seviwroebis braldebiT saqme

aRiZra. Tavis mxriv, baia pataraia braldebebs uaryofs da ad-

vokats fsiqikurad aramdgrad adamianad moixseniebs.

vin aris laSa janibegaSvili? _

saqarTvelos advokatTa asoci-

aciis gverdze vkiTxulobT, rom

32 wlis laSa janibegaSvili erT-

erTi warmatebuli advokatia 10-

wliani kerZo saadvokato saqmianobiT.

man uamravi rTuli kategoriis

dava warmatebiT daasru-

la, aris samecniero iuridiuli

Sinaarsis mqone publikaciis av-

tori.

Zleboda yofiliyo es adamiani. igi

aRmoCnda n.g., romelmac miCivla

aseve eTikis komisiaSi. gaocebulma

davureke morigebis mizniT, _

ratom miCiviT, Tqveni advokati ar

vyofilvar-meTqi. mipasuxa, _ me

Tqven giCivleT da mtkicebulebebi

aris wardgenilio. Semdeg telefoni

gamiTiSa.

roca saqmis masalebs gavecani,

CemTvis naTeli gaxda, rom am qal-

baia pataraia:

ùime, giJia,

gavarda da

gaiZaxis, _ baia

pataraias gamo

viklavdi Tavso~

laSa

janibegaSvili:

àgenti

provokatorebi

arian saqmeSi

CarTulebi~

nas da amiT damTavrdeba es saqme,

rom igi aris fsiqikurad arajansaRi

pirovneba... ase gamoacxada,

Tavs viklavdi da daiwyeT gamoZiebao,

amitom vambob, _ giJia-meTqi.

_ ra formiT iklavda Tavs, Tu

aris TqvenTvis cnobili?

_ ar vici, es kaci TvaliT ar

minaxavs. Cven, ubralod, mis or

msxverpls vicavT. aranairi komunikacia

masTan ar mqonia. ubralod,

ar aris es kaci normaluri.

darbis yvelgan, Civis, yvelas werilebs

swers. prokuraturaSi dareka,

prezidents miswera, saelCoebs

miswera, adamiani araa adekvaturi.

_ rac Seexeba mtkicebulebeb-

is gayalbebis sakiTxs?

_ saubaria feisbuk mimoweris

nawilze. gayalbebulia mtkicebulebebio,

roca Tqva, magaze saqme

daixura. sruli mimoweris wardgena

ar aris saWro, radgan yvelagan

ki ar Canda seqsualuri Seviwroe-

„qronika+~-s advokati Tavad

daukavSirda da am dapirispireb-

is Sesaxeb uambo.

laSa janibegaSvili:

_ 2020 wlis ivnisSi socialur

qselSi gavicani qalbatoni, romelTanac

samdRiani mimowera mqonda.

mimoweris Sinaarsidan gamomdinare,

es qalbatoni davbloke da

mimowerac wavSale. garkveuli

drois Semdeg man SeZlo Cemi naxva,

monawileoba miiRo erT-erT saqvelmoqmedo

RonisZiebaSi, sadac

movida Tavis 2 SvilTan erTad. is

Cem mimarT iqceoda gamomwvevad,

rogorc mamakacis mimarT gamoxatavda

aSkara dainteresebas, riTac

aeWviana Cemi sacole. Semdeg am

qalbatons sxva socialuri qseliT

mivwere, avuxseni, (sruliad SemTxveviT

vnaxe), rom ase ar moqceuliyo,

radgan Cems sacoles is Cemi

sayvareli egona.

2020 wlis 25 oqtombers me davojaxdi.

niSandoblivia, rom am qalbatonma

erT-erTi arasamTavrobo

organizaciidan aiRo cnoba,

rom fsiqoreabilitaciis kurss

gadis swored 2020 wlis 25 oqtombridan.

daojaxebidan erT kviraSi qalbatonma

SeTiTxnili braldebiT

miCivla advokatTa disciplinur

kolegiaSi da aseve saxalxo damcvelTan,

seqsualur Seviwroebaze,

TiTqos me 20-25 da 26 ivniss socialur

qselSi seqsualurad

Sevaviwrove igi.

am qalbatons sWirdeboda advokatis

konsultacia da man Cemi

gamoyeneba scada, rogorc mamakacis,

rom ufaso advokati vyofiliyavi,

rac ar gamouvida. amis Semdeg,

2 noembers, miCivla. amis Sesaxeb

6 noembers Sematyobines. Zalian

didxans ver vixsenebdi, Tu vin Sei-

batons Cven Soris arsebuli mimowera

damaxinjebulad hqonda wardgenili,

anu falsificirebuli.

rasac vwerdi, nawerebis erTi mesamedi

waSlili hqonda, anu 39 gverdi

aqvs wardgenili, rodesac mimowera

iyo 110 gverdi.

am dros am qalTan mimowera ukve

waSlili mqonda da aRarc maxsovda

amis Sesaxeb. man ki miCivla

eTikis komisiasa da saxalxo damcvelTan,

riTac Zalian Seuracxyofili

viyavi, amitom mivmarTe sagamoZiebo

organos, rom gamoZieba

dawyebuliyo da aRedginaT Cven

Soris arsebuli sruli mimowera.

aseve ratom gaxada Cven Soris arsebuli

mimowera viRac(!) advokatebisTvis

cnobili? Sedegad, rodesac

am qalbatonma gaigo, rom mis

mimarT saCivari Sevitane da igi

gavasajarove (feisbukze davwere,

rom es qali SesaZloa, agent-provokatori

iyos, radgan Cveulebrivi

mimoweris gamo miCivla, Tan

gayalbebuli mtkicebulebebiT),

amis Semdeg, 2020 wlis 2 noembers,

policiaSi Seitana Cem mimarT sa-

Civari. policiam ar gaiziara misi

argumentaciebi da ar daiwyo Cem

mimarT gamoZieba, gamowera Semakavebeli

ordeni, ris safuZvelzec

am qalTan komunikacia mekrZaleboda.

Semakavebeli ordeni gavasa-

Civre, magram radgan mimowera namdvili

ar mqonda, sasamarTlom

Cemi pozicia ar gaiziara. saqmeSi

CaerTo uamravi Cemi megobari, kolega.

procesi iyo daxuruli, am

qalbatonis agent-provokatorobis

dasamtkiceblad informaciis

gamoTxovaze dayenebuli mqonda

Suamdomloba mosamarTle Tamar

meSvelianTan. es qalbatoni winaa-

Rmdegi iyo, aseve deteqtivic da

„safari” baia pataraiac, romelic

icavda am qalis interesebs.

_ rac Seexeba baia pataraias,

mas ratom upirispirdebiT?

_ rogorc ki pirveli instanciis

gadawyvetileba gamocxadda da

mosamarTlem Semakavebeli orderi

ZalaSi datova, radgan mxareebs

Soris daZabuli urTierTobaao,

baia pataraia da sxvebi gamovidnen

sxvadasxva televiziiT da Cem mimarT

ciliswamebebi gaavrceles.

braldebad wamomiyenes is, rac realurad

ar yofila. sxvadasxva telearxze

trialebda ciliswameba

Cem Sesaxeb, ramac mZime Sedegi gamoiwvia.

_ Tqveni TviTmkvlelobis

mcdelobas gulisxmobT? saqme

aRZrulia

TviTmkvlelobamde

miyvanis muxliT. amis Sesaxeb ra

SegiZliaT gviTxraT, ra formiT

moxda es?

_ amas ver getyviT, mtkicebulebebi

devs saqmeSi. saqme aR-

Zrulia n.g.-s, aseve organizacia

„safaris” xelmZRvanel baia pataraias,

organizaciis advokat eliso

ruxaZisa da kidev sxva pirebis

winaaRmdeg. maT 6 wlamde Tavisuflebis

aRkveTa emuqrebaT.

_ rac Seexeba mtkicebulebeb-

is gayalbebis braldebas, amis

Sesaxeb ras ityviT?

_ maT gaayalbes mimowera imiT,

rom ar waradgines srulad. aRmoCnda,

rom is qali ufro mets

mwerda, vidre me, man waSala Tavisi

mimowera da gamovida, rom mxolod

me vwerdi.

_ gamoZiebam ar moiTxova pir-

vandeli mimoweris aRdgena?

_ ara! me Cavatarebine eqspertiza,

aRvadgenine mimowera, rac

ukve oficialurad damtkicda,

rom namdvilia da avTentikuria.

sasamarTloSi amis damadasturebeli

samxaraulis erovnuli biuros

gadawyvetileba warvadgine.

aseve maT Tavis mxriv warmoadgines

romeliRac arasamTavrobo

organizaciis fsiqolog-filosofos

qeTevan mRebriSvilis mier

gacemuli cnoba, viTom am feisbuq

mimoweriT, romelic absoluturad

uwyinaria, n.g.-ma ganicada

fsiqologiuri tanjva. es

winaswari SeTanxmebiT, jgufurad

yalbi dokumentis damzadebagamoyenebis

faqts warmoadgens.

_ Tqven seqsualur Seviwroe-

baSi kidev erTi qali giCiviT...

_ diax, meore qalia n.x., romelic

aseve miCivs.

_ Tqven mimarT saxalxo dam-

cvelmac gasca rekomendacia.

_ diax, nino lomjariamac

rCeviT mommarTa, rom seqsualurad

aRar SeaviwrooT qalbatonebio.

_ Tu Tqven udanaSaulo xarT,

SeiZleba gviTxraT, ra interesi

aqvT Tqven mimarT?

_ es xdeba grantebis miRebis

mizniT. meore variantia, rom agenti

provokatorebi arian saqmeSi

CarTulebi. vfiqrob, Sinagan saqme-

Ta saministroSi, SesaZloa, vinmes

ar movwonvar.

„qronika+~ organizacia „safa-

ris” aRmasrulebel direqtor

baia pataraias daukavSirda:

_ Tqven gipirispirdebaT ad-

vokati laSa janibegaSvili, ras

ityviT amis Sesaxeb?

_ sruliad araseriozuli da

araadekvaturi kacia.

_ saqme aRZrulia 115-e, TviT-

mkvlelobamde miyvanis muxliT.

_ uime, giJia, gavarda da gaiZaxis,

_ baia pataraias gamo viklavdi

Tavso. es saqme Zalian male

daixureba. fsiqiatris daskvnas

elodebian samxaraulis eqspertizis

biurodan. miiReben am daskv-

ba. warmoidgineT, 110 gverdi ramdenia.

is nawili, sadac Canda seqsualuri

Seviwroeba, warvadgineT,

danarCeni, ubralod, ar warvadgineT,

ar CavTvaleT saWirod. Tvi-

Ton waradgina, ki batono, mainc

waago es saqme. yvelaferi waradgina,

moismines da waago. milioni

werili miswera ombudsmensac.

manac Seiswavla es saqme, maT Soris,

misi wardgenili masalebi da daadgina

seqsualuri Seviwroeba. meore

msxverplis saqmesac ganixilavs da

iqac darwmunebuli var, igive

Sedegi dadgeba.

_ meore saqmis Sesaxeb ra xde-

ba?

_ analogiuri saqmea, mimoweris

safuZvelze mtkicebuleba wardgenilia,

daTvalierebis oqmiTac

dadasturebulia. albaT, gadawyvetilebac

iqneba male. am kacma

pirveli msxverplis mTeli mimowera

gaasajaro-a, maT Soris, piradi

detalebic da amazec aRZrulia

mis winaaRmdeg saqme. advokats es

xom unda esmodes, rom iseTi ram

ar gaakeTos, razedac SeiZleba

Semoedavon?

saqmis gamoieba, jerjerobiT,

ar dasrulebula, Sesabamisad saqme

gansaxilvelad sasamarTlos jer

ar miuRia. rac Seexeba fsiqologiur

eqspertizas, advokats igi Cautarda

da daskvnas samxaraulis

eqspertizis biuro mokle xanSi

dadebs. Tumca rogorc „qronika+”-

s ganumartes, eqspertiza dainiSna

TviTmkvelobamde miyvanis saqmidan

gamomdinare.

saqmes Sss Tbilisis policiis

departamentis didube-CuRureTis

mTavari sammarTvelos policiis

pirveli sammarTvelo iZiebs. gamo-

Zieba mimdinareobs ss kodeqsis

115-e muxliT, rac TviTmkvlelobamde

miyvanas gulisxmobs.

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24 N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

Tamar rostiaSvili

577 10 07 06

daavadebaTa kontrolis erovnuli

centris regionuli samsaxuri kidev erTxel aRmoCn-

da skandalis epicentrSi vaqcinirebis Sedegad gardacvlili

eqTnis faqtTan dakavSirebiT.


saidanac imarTeba mTeli koronavirusi

saqarTvelos mas-

StabiT. qvemoT cifrebi iqneba

ZiriTadad da maqsimalurad

vecdebiT, gangimartoT, ra

gaflangul, auTvisebel, aTvisebul,

gamqral da a. S. Tanxebzea

saubari.

arafinansur aqtivebTan dakavSirebuli

operaciebis Sedegad

gamowveul sxvaobas 172 382

laris odenobiT warmoadgens

ssip l. sayvareliZis saxelobis

daavadebaTa kontrolisa da

sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis

erovnuli centris monacememebi.

maT Soris: 190 514 lari warmoadgens

arafinansuri aqtivebiT

warmoSobili debitoruli

davalianebis gaeros bavSvTa

fondis mier mowodebuli aqtivebis

Rirebulebasa da saxelmwifo

xazinaSi dabrunebul

Tanxas Soris sxvaobas. 10 532

lari warmoadgens arafinansuri

aqtivebis mowodebiT daricxuli

valdebulebebis naSTs.

1 920 lari warmoadgens winaswari

gadaxdebiT moTxovnas, romelic

warmoSobili iyo saqonlisa

da momsaxurebis muxliT

da iricxeboda 2019 wlis sawyiss

naSTad; saangariSgebo periodSi

miRebul iqna arafinansuri

aqtivi; 6 406 lari warmoadgens

saangariSgebo periodSi

miRebuli arafinansuri aqtivis

Rirebulebasa da gadaxdil

Tanxas Soris sakurso sxvaobas.

saministros miznobrivi grantis

dafinansebis farglebSi

saxazino samsaxurisa (3 698 112

lari) da sabalanso monacemeb-

sad wavida fuli - ra

weria auditis daskvnaSi!

amiran

gamyreliZis

favoritebi da

`favoritkebi~

axalcixis municipalitetis

„sazogadoebrivi jandacvis”

centris direqtori naira xabuliani

paralelurad ramdenime

sajaro samsaxurSi muSaobs,

rac kanonmdeblobis uxeSi dar-

Rvevaa. erT-erTi maTgani swored

axalcixis klinika „imedi”

gaxlavT (sadac medda aicra da

Semdeg gardaicvala), mas iq epidemiologis

pozicia ukavia.

ra gamodis _ rom xabuliani

rogorc a(a)ip-is xelmZRvaneli,

sakuTar Tavs akontrolebs da

epidzedamxedvelobas uwevs?

daavadebaTa kontrolis erovnuli

centris rekomendaciiT,

samcxe-javaxeTSi koronavirusis

dros ori cxelebis centri

Seiqmna da xabuliani orive centrSi

epidemiologad muSaobs.

amas aseve krZalavs kanoni. samsaxurs,

romelic epidzedamxedvelobas

mTel regionSi axorcielebs,

paralelurad naira

xabulianis Svili xelmZRvanelobs.

misi saxeli da gvaria nino

zedginiZe. es ukanaskneli daavadebaTa

kontrolis erovnuli

centris samcxe-javaxeTis ganyofilebis

ufrosia. yvela CamonaTvalTan

erTad, rogorc

deklaraciaSi aqvs miTiTebuli,

naira xabuliani anazRaurebad

samuSaoebs asrulebs janmrTelobis

kvlevis kavSirisa da Tambaqos

kavSiris proeqtebSi.

axalcixis klinika „imedSi”,

sadac nana xabulini, rogorc

zemoT aRvniSneT, epidemiologiur

situaciaze pasuxismgebeli

piria, monacemebs awvdis da

angariSs abarebs Tavis Svils,

romlis daqvemdebarebaSic Sedis

daavadebaTa kontrolis

centris regionuli ganyofileba.

amave ganyofilebaSi mZRolad

muSaobs naira xabulianis

meuRle da nino zedginiZis mama

_ Tengiz zedginiZe.

„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvalobis”

mier Sedgenili monacemebi

da monitoringis Sedegebi, sxva

saxelmwifo uwyebebTan erTad

Sesaswavlad gadaegzavna auditis

samsaxurs.

axla, vnaxoT, ra Seiswavla

da ra angariSi dado auditis

samsaxurma uSualod amiran gamyreliZis

kantorasTan dakav-

SirebiT:

daavadebaTa kontrolis centraluri

ofisidan daviwyebT,

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

is (3 583 401 lari) sul 7 milion

larze meti, sawyis naSTebs

Soris sxvaoba 114 711 lars

warmoadgens. rogorc auditorebs

ganumatrtes, aseTi sxvaoba

gamowveulia imiT, rom ssip

l. sayvareliZis saxelobis daavadebaTa

kontrolisa da sazogadoebrivi

janmrTelobis

erovnuli centris miznobrivi

grantis sastarto naSTsa da

saxazino samsaxuris miznobrivi

grantebis naSTebs Soris sxvaoba

95 539 lari gaxlavT.

gadacemulma arafinansuri

aqtivebis Rirebulebam Seadgina

8 221 115 lari; maT Soris,

ssip socialuri momsaxurebis

saagentosTvis gadacemulma_

543 976 lari; ssip „sagangebo

situaciebis koordinaciisa da

gadaudebeli daxmarebis centrisTvis

gadacemulma _ 6 490

024 lari; ssip l. sayvareliZis

saxelobis daavadebaTa kontrolisa

da sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis

erovnuli centrisTvis

_ 288 083 lari.

kontrolirebuli erTeulebidan

saminitros gadmoeca 2

265 936 sabalanso aqtivebi, aqedan,

l. sayvareliZis saxelobis

daavadebaTa kontrolisa da

sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis

erovnuli centridan _ 45 910

laris Rirebulebis aqtivebi.

kidev erTxel davZenT, rom

aq saubaria im aqtivebze, romlis

aTvisebis miznobrioba

kiTxvis niSnis qveS dgas. kidev

ufro martivi eniT vityviT _

ar aris garkveuli, dokumentirebuli,

gawerili da a. S.

`magaliTad, ìmedis~ klinika rom

dajarimda 360 000 lariT, kidev 11

klinika daixura, imitom rom jarimebi

daakisres, gadaaxdevines da fizikurad

veRar gaagrZeles funqcionireba

usaxsrobis gamo - es Tanxebi sad wavida,

zustad ver dgindeba~

zustad sad da raze wavida.

igive jandacvis saministros

mier, kontraqtori organizaciis

mimarT xelSekrulebis

pirobebis darRvevis gamo sasamarTlos

kanonier ZalaSi Sesuli

gadawyvetilebebis safuZvelze

dakisrebuli 972 782

laris jarima, nacvlad moklevadiani

aqtivebisa, aRricxuli

aqvs pirobiTi aqtivebis angariSze.

es ki kanonis seriozuli

darRvevaa. yuradRebas aRar

vaqcevT im faqts, rom saministros

milioni lari aqvs gadaxdili

wagebuli sasamarTlo

procesebiT.

arada, Tanxebi soliduria _

saagentoSi davalianebis didi

nawili warmoqmnilia saxelmwifo

programebis zedamxedvelobis

farglebSi dakisrebuli

sajarimo sanqciebiT, romelTac

organizaciebi ricxaven

xazinis erTian angariSze. amonaweriT

ver xerxdeba im davalianebis

identificireba, romlis

dafarvis mizniTac ganxorcielda

gadaxda. amasTanave,

saagentos ganmartebiT aRricxulia

wina wlebSi warmoSobili

130 samedicino dawesebulebis 5

000 000 laris debitoruli

davalianeba, romelTa dadasturebac

ver xerxdeba, radgan

2015 wlamde ar gamoiyeneboda

buRaltruli programa da ver

moiZebna aRniSnuli davalianebebis

damadasturebeli dokumentacia.

xom kargad waikiTxeT, rac aq

weria? anu, magaliTad, „imedis”

klinika rom dajarimda 360 000

lariT, kidev 11 klinika daixura,

imitom rom jarimebi daakisres,

gadaaxdevines da fizikurad

veRar gaagrZeles funqcionireba

usaxsrobis gamo _

es Tanxebi sad wavida, zustad

ver dgindeba.

wesiT da rigiT, sakiTxi

prokuraturis Sesaswavlia.

„qronika+“ ki Seecdeba, konkretuli

qeisebi moipovos.

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ra Sansebi aqvs opozicias?

ratom dagvianda protestis

dawyeba? iqneba Tu ara sanqcie-

bi? rogor uyureben „ocnebaSi”

irakli kobaxiZes? _ amis Sesaxeb

nika vardoSvili „qronika+~-

s esaubreba:

_ nika, gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

evrokavSiri saqarTvelos

finanasur daxmarebas Seu-

wyvets. amaze xelisuflebas uc-

nauri reaqcia hqonda, TiTqos

amas elodnen. Segnebulad xom

ar dgamen iseT nabijebs, rom

dasavleTma zurgi gvaqcios da

CrdiloeTisken aviRoT gezi?

_ opozicionerebi, arasamTavroboebi

da sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebi

xSirad amboben

„qocebze“, rom isini bnelebi da

gaunaTleblebi arian. ganaTleba

akliaT, magram kargad ician,

rasac akeTeben. yvela vaRiarebT,

rom qveyanas marTavs rusi oligarqi

da ra gasakviria, rom saqarTvelos

ruseTisken miaTreven.

namdvilad ver daveTanxmebi

im mosazrebas, rom saqarTvelos

vinme Seugneblad miaqanebs ruseTisken.

sagareo kursis Secvla

aris „qarTuli ocnebis” mizani.

amas sakmaod ostaturad akeTeben

da ise iqcevian, rom Tavad

dasavleTma Segvaqcios zurgi.

_ ivaniSvils ruseTi rom

urCevnia dasavleTs, eWvi aravis

epareba, magram isic viciT, rom

mas qonebis didi nawili dasav-

leTSi aqvs. evropam da amerikam

misi qoneba rom daayadaRos da

angariSebi gauyinos, mere ras

izams? amisgan dazRveulia?

_ ar aris dazRveuli. swored

misi qonebisa da angariSebis gayinvaa

gamosavali. „qarTuli ocnebis”

mavnebluri politikis

gamo qveyana ki ara, rusi oligarqi

unda dazaraldes. Cveni

partiis lideri bolo wlebia,

sul imas sTxovs dasavleTs, rom

ivaniSvils personaluri sanqciebi

dauwesdes. rogorc ki

ivaniSvils ar eqneba fuli, is

ganulebulia.

gadavinacvloT warsulSi da

gavixsenoT 2011 wlis Semodgoma,

roca ivaniSvili politikaSi

Semovida. mas Zalian bevrma adamianma

dauWira mxari, radgan

didi fuli hqonda. qeTi doliZe

da nineli WankvetaZe rom sofel-sofel

dadiodnen da xalxs

hpirdebodnen, TiTo sofels 5

milioni miecemao, amitom misca

xalxma xma oligarqs, Torem ivaniSvilis

sxva ra unda moswonebodaT?

_ oratori is ar yofila

da politikuri gamocdilebac

ar hqonia.

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ìrakli kobaxiZes òcnebaSi~

leiboristuli partiis wevri,

Sorena marsagiSvili

nika vardoSvili, miiCnevs, rom

599 92 16 22

ivaniSvilis damarcxebisTvis Sig-

niT aqciebi da gareT sanqciebia

saWiro. misi azriT, rogorc ki russ oligarqs fuli gamo-

ecleba, mas pirvelebi isini uaryofen, vinc axla gundruks

ukmevs. yofilma premierma giorgi gaxariam marTalia, datova

„ocneba”, magram vardoSvili mas gandgomilad ar miiCnevs.

fiqrobs, rom ivaniSvilma is, ubralod, gadaaadgila da axla,

rogorc opozicioners, Semoiyvans politikur velze.

_ isic ar dagvaviwydes, rogori

saxeli hqonda mas politikaSi

mosvlamde. masze legendebi

dadioda, rom uamrav ad-

amians exmareboda. monawileoba

miiRo samebis aSenebasa da a. S.

_ qvelmoqmedis imiji namdvilad

Seiqmna, magram qvelmoqmedi

arasdros yofila. is finansurad

exmareboda iseT adamianebs,

romlebisganac sargebels

miiRebda. is fuls urigebda

qeTi doliZis msgavss personebs,

romlebis ukanac 50 amomrCeveli

mainc idga. Cems mezobel givis

Zalian uWirs, magram ivaniSvili

arc mas da arc sxva gaWirvebulebs

ar daxmarebia. dRes mas

is xalxi aqebs, visac fuls uxdis.

rogorc ki sanqciebs dauweseben,

mas pirveli eseni ganudgebian.

is xalxi Seaqcevs zurs,

vinc axla xotbas asxams. opoziciam

bevri unda imuSaos im mimarTulebiT,

rom ivaniSvils sanqciebi

dauwesdes da gaeyinos

angariSebi. protesti da aqciebi

unda gaagrZelos opoziciam, magram

gadamwyveti brZola daiwyeba

maSin, roca ivaniSvils fulis

saxiT Zalian did dasayrdens

gamovacliT. axla mis xelT

aris warmoudgenlad didi fuli.

am fuliT viRacebs qrTamavs,

rogorc qveynis SigniT, aseve

qceynis gareT.

_ ambobT, rom ivaniSvils ro-

gorc ki fuli aRar eqneba, mas

ganudgebian. gaxaria ukve wavi-

da. kalaZec, raRacnairad, Sors

dgas. Tqveni azriT, es gandgo-

maa, Tu sxva rame xdeba?

_ gaxaria ivaniSvils ar gandgomia.

es aris im didi speqtaklis

nawili, romlis dadgmac

ivaniSvilma, jer kidev, 2012 wels

daaanonsa. man sajarod ganucxada

medias, rom Tu „qarTuli

ocneba” mis imedebs ar gaamarTlebda,

Seqmnida opozicias,

romelic am Zalas Caanacvlebda.

es adamiani imdenad bnelia, rom

demokratiis principebze warmodgenac

ki ar gaaCnia. unda, rom

xelisuflebac misi iyos da _

opoziciac. es Cveulebrivad

TamaSobs. Wadrakis dafa aqvs

gaSlili da am Tavis xalxs paikebiviT

aqeT-iqiT gadaswev-gadmoswevs.

gaxaria ukve gamoiyvana

asparezze. ar gamovricxav, axla

vadamdel arCevnebsac dasTanxmdes.

am arCevnebSi gaxarias raRac

Sansebi aqvs.

_ ra Sansebi aqvs? vin miscems

gaxarias xmas?

_ yofili premieris eleqtorati

„qarTul ocnebaze” ganawyyenebuli

adamianebi iqnebian. mas

SeiZleba, gadauwyvetelma amomrCevelmac

misces xma, romelmac

ar icis, vis unda dauWiros mxari.

_ gadauwyvetelma amomrCev-

elma meeWveba, rom gaxarias misces

xma. mis Tavze damokles maxviliviT

kidia 20 ivnisis sisxliani

Rame. amis daviwyeba araf-

riT SeiZleba.

_ es rogor unda daviviwyoT.

visac gaxaria gmiri hgonia, meti

damajereblobisTvis Tvali gamoiTxaros.

bodiSis moxda da zviad

gamsaxurdias saflavze daCoqeba

am sisxls ver Camorecxs. 31

marts, zviad gamsaxurdias dabadebis

dReze, gaxariam namdvili

farsi moawyo, roca pirveli

prezidentis saflavze avida,

daiCoqa da yvavilebi daawyo.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom es

farsi iyo? misi ojaxi gamsaxur-

dias mxardamWeria da es yvelam

icis.

_ gasagebia, magram gamsaxurdias

saflavze daCoqeba mako

gomurs amoTxirl Tvals ver

gaumTelebs. Tvalis Cins im bavSvs

verc bodiSi gaumTelebs. patara

bavSvs mTeli cxovreba

daumaxinjes. Zalian gamkvirvebia

nika vardoSvili:

`gaxariaze vinc

ecema, mako

gomuriviT unda

amoTxaro Tvali~

Cveni Tanamemamuleebis, romlebic

gaxariaze ecemian da laiqebiT

aikles feisbuqi. vinc ecema

gaxariaze, amoiTxaros mako gomuriviT

Tvali da mere daeces.

vin varT aseTebi da ratom gvaqvs

amokle mexsiereba?! amis gamo

Zalian gabrazebuli da gakvirvebuli

var.

_ ratom gikvirT, rom gaxar-

iaze amdeni ecema? is xalxi, vinc

2007 wlis 7 noembris darbevas

gmobs, biZina ivaniSvilze aris

dacemuli. arada, yvelam icis,

rom 7 noembris darbevis aqti-

uri mxardamWeri iyo oligarqi.

_ ivaniSvili im dros afinansebda

saakaSvils da „nacionalebs“.

man piradad gamouwera 7

noembris damrbev zonderebs

premiebi. merabiSvilma Tavad moyva,

Tu rogor urekavda ivaniSvili

da aqezebda, rom ufro

radikaluri yofiliyo igi. 20

ivnisis ukanac ivaniSvili dgas.

egre araa, gaxariam es yvelaferi

mxolod sakuTar Tavze rom

aiRo. Zalian mokle mexsiereba

aRmoaCnda Cvens xalxs da ar

gamikvirdeba, rom gaxarias 20

ivnisic gautaron. Cveni istoria

savsea gmirobis magaliTebiT.

`gadamwyveti brZola daiwyeba maSin, roca

ivaniSvils fulis saxiT Zalian did

dasayrdens gamovacliT. axla mis xelT aris

warmoudgenlad didi fuli. am fuliT

viRacebs qrTamavs, rogorc qveynis SigniT,

aseve qceynis gareT~

skolaSic gvaswavlidnen, rom

Zalian magrebi viyaviT. aseTi

magrebi Tu viyaviT, sad gaqra es

Cveni Tvisebebi? _ amas ver vxsni.

_ magaze mec mifiqria da mgo-

ni, gvatyuebdnen, rom aseTi

magrebi viyaviT. Tumca aseTi

magari winaprebi rom ar gvy-

oloda, aqamde, ubralod, ver

movidodiT.

_ ar minda davijero, rom

gvatyubdnen. ar minda, rom es

yvelaferi, rac ase gviyvars, gamogonili

da farsia. magari winaprebi

rom ar gvyoloda, aqamde,

ubralod, ver movaRwevdiT. isini

ki iyvnen magrebi, magram Cven

gadavgvardiT, etyoba. Sen Sei-

Zleba, „qoci“ mogwondes da ver

itande leiboristebsa da „nacionalebs“,

es Cveulebrivi ambavia,

magram amouxsneli da gaugebaria,

Tu ratom unda mogwondes

moZalade? bavSvebis Tvalebis

mTxrels mxari rogor unda dau-

Wiro, ar mesmis?! bevri adamiani

adarebs erTmaneTs 7 noembersa

da 20 ivniss. mec vaRiareb, rom

am ori darbevis erTmaneTTan

Sedareba ar SeiZleba. 7 noembris

aqciis monawile gaxlavarT da

getyviT, rom 2007 wels gacilebiT

meti sisastike gamoiCina

xelisuflebam, magram es imas ar

niSnavs, rom 20 ivnisi gavamarTloT.

ranairad daviviwyo mako

gomurisTvis gamoTxrili Tvali?!

sxvisi ar vici da me ver

daviviwyeb.

_ arc isaa dasaviwyebeli, Tu

ratom gamovida im Rames xalxi

quCaSi da ratom daarbies isini.

_ es mTavaria. Cven gavaprotesteT

okupantis Cajdoma im

savarZelSi, sadac damoukidebeli

saqarTvelos pirveli prezidenti

ijda da saidanac gamocxadda

saqarTvelos damoukidebloba.

amis gamo bavSvebs rom

Tvalebs daTxri da mere politikaSi

brundebi, partias

afuZneb da ginda, meore Tu mesame

Zala gaxde, egre ar gamova!!!

eri Tu varT da damoukideblobaze

gvaqvs pretenzia, maSin es ar

unda gadaylapos xalxma, Torem

Zalian gagviWirdeba aseT qveyanaSi

cxovreba.

_ protesti vaxseneT da

opozicia aqciebisTvis emzadeb-

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seriozulad ar aRiqvamen~

iT. daanonsda 15 maisi. cota xom

ar agvianebT?

_ Cemze rom yofiliyo damokidebuli

am sakiTxis gadawyveta,

aseTi xangrZlivi droiT ar gadavdebdi

aqciis gamarTvas. davniSnavdi

aqcias da aRar davSlidi,

arc komendantis saaTs gaviTvaliswinebdi.

Tu brZolas viwyebT,

maSin bolomde unda gavideT.

am xelisuflebis wamalia,

SigniT aqciebi da garedan sanqciebi.

_ es leiboristebis slogania?

yvela leiboristi amas am-

bobs.

_ ki, Cveni slogani gaxda. gamarjveba

Tu gvinda, SigniT aqciebi

unda gvqondes da garedan _

sanqciebi. naxevrad enis moCleqiT

saubrisa da politkoreqtulobis

dro aRar aris. yvelam

unda SevignoT isic, rom saqme

politikosebTan ar gvaqvs. Cven

veomebiT oligarqsa da uzurpators,

romelsac mitacebuli

aqvs xelisufleba da Cveulebrivi

yaCaRia. politikur processa

da molaparakebebs mxolod

maSin aqvs azri, rodesac meore

mxaresac politikosebi dganan.

raze unda davelaparakoT oligarqis

msaxur umwifar gogo-bi-

Webs, romlebic parlamentSi

sxedan.

_ umwifrebs vis eZaxiT?

_ Tundac, irakli kobaxiZes.

_ bavSvuri garegnoba ki aqvs,

magram 43 wlisaa ukve eg ymawvili.

mis asakSi Jvania ukve orjer

iyo parlamentis Tavmj-

domare.

_ Jvaniasa da kobaxiZis erTmaneTTan

Sedareba warmoudgenlad

mimaCnia. misi gadawyvetilebebi

ar momwonda, magram is iyo

didi politikosi. ukve 18 weli

gavida, rac leiboristuli

partiis wevri var.

_ ramdeni wlis xarT?

_ 38-is. 20 wlis viyavi, politikaSi

rom Cavebi.

_ 38 wlis Tu xarT, biZisto-

la kobaxiZes umwifars rogor

eZaxiT?

_ kobaxiZeze asakiT patara ki

var, magram magaze meti politikuri

gamocdileba maqvs. 18 welia,

politikaSi var da sami xelisuflebis

opoziciaSi momiwia yofna:

SevardnaZis, saakaSvilisa da

amaTi. xSirad erTmaneTs vadareb,

magram isini sxva donis politikosebi

iyvnen. dRes vin arian qveynis

pirveli pirebi? irakli

RaribaSvili saerTod vin aris?

arsaidan mosuli kacia. mas begraundic

ki ar aqvs. ivaniSvilis

Cveulebrivi klerki iyo, romelic

beras davalebebsac asrulebda

_ antonobda. kobaxiZeze saer-

Tod ra vTqva? ar SeiZleba massa

da Jvanias Soris paralelis gavleba.

_ arc vavleb, mxolod asakis

gamo vaxsene kobaxiZis gverdiT

Jvania.

_ asakis gamoc ar unda davayenoT.

viRacam gaacno kobaxiZe

ivaniSvils. iman ar vici, ra

`mas Zalian bevrma adamianma dauWira mxari, radgan didi fuli hqonda.

qeTi doliZe da nineli WankvetaZe rom sofel-sofel dadiodnen da xalxs

hpirdebodnen, TiTo sofels 5 milioni miecemao, amitom misca xalxma xma

oligarqs, Torem ivaniSvilis sxva ra unda moswonebodaT? - oratori is ar

yofila da politikuri gamocdilebac ar hqonia~

TvaliT Sexeda da arsaidan mosuli

kaci parlamentis spikerad

dagvisva. kobaxiZes saerTod ar

gaaCnia Tavmoyvareoba. is gavrilovis

sisxliani Ramis Semdeg

gadaayenes parlamentis Tavmjdomaris

Tanamdebobidan. xazs

vusvam: gadaayenes! sakuTari nebiT

am Tanamdebobis datovebas

ar apirebda. amis gamo nebismieri

Tavmoyvare adamiani datovebda

deputatis mandats da saerTod

wavidoda politikidan. iseTi

uTavmoyvareoa, deputatis mandatsac

ver Seelia. Camovida

spikeratidan da rigiTi deputatis

savarZelSi Cajda.

_ miwyenT, magram 2001 wels

zurab Jvaniac gadadga spiker-

obidan da uproblemod Cajda

rigiTi deputatis savarZelSi.

_ Jvanias gadadgoma Zalian

drouli iyo. man gadaiyola

mTavroba. maSin gadadga „rkinis

kacad“ Seracxuli kaxa TargamaZec,

romelic narkobaroni da

aTasi saSinelebis Semoqmedi iyo.

_ kobaxiZes daufasda, Camo-

laboranteba rom aitana _ axla

partiaSi pirveli kacia.

_ ver dageTanxmebiT, rom

pirveli kacia.

_ ratom ver dameTanxmebiT,

partiis Tavmjdomare xom aris?

_ partiis Tavmjdomareoba ar

niSnavs, rom partiaSi pirveli

kacia. „qarTuli ocnebis” Sida

samzareuloSi didad Caxeduli

ar var, magram Cemamdec ki movida

xmebi imis Sesaxeb, rom irakli

kobaxiZe gadawyvetilebebis

mimRebi piri ar aris.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom „ocne-

ba” kobaxiZes ar emorCileba?

_ ra Tqma unda, ar emorCileba.

Zalian bevri mis personas

araseriozulad uyurebs. es adamianebi

mis gadawyvetilebas

rogor daemorCilebian? saRad

moazrovne xalxi „ocnebaSic”

aris. isini am umwifari ymawvilis

azrebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

`dRes vin arian qveynis pirveli pirebi?

irakli RaribaSvili saerTod vin aris?

arsaidan mosuli kacia. mas begraundic ki ar

aqvs. ivaniSvilis Cveulebrivi klerki iyo,

romelic beras davalebebsac asrulebda -

antonobda~

gaiziareben. mas yuradRebasac ki

ar miaqcevdnen, magram ician, rom

kobaxiZe ivaniSvilis mosazrebebs

aJRerebs da amitom arian

Cumad. yvelam kargad icis partiaSi,

rom am umwifars piradi

iniciativebi ar gaaCnia.

_ samagierod, kargi demago-

gia.

_ demagogia xelmocaruli politikosebis

TavSesafaria. Sei-

Zleba miTxraT, xelmocaruli

rogoraa, roca pirveli kacia

partiaSio. es ivaniSvilis nebaa.

rodesac „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebas

CamoSordeba, es

kobaxiZe Tavis sadarbazoSic ki

ver iqneba pirveli kaci. is saer-

Tod aorTqldeba politikidan.

ise ar ifiqroT, rom amas mxolod

opoziciaSi yofnis gamo

vambob. Jvanias mowinaaRmdegec

viyavi, magram yovelTvis vaRiarebdi

da axlac vaRiareb, rom

is didi politikosi iyo. adre

xelisuflebaSi ufro Rirseuli

pirebi iyvnen.

_ „ocnebaSi” Rirseuli aravin

gaxlavT?

_ romel Rirseul politikosze

vsaubrobT, roca „qarTul

ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli moTamaSeebi

saerTod ar arseboben?

ramdenimes SeiZleba, hqonda amis

mcdeloba, magram ar gamouvida.

rodesac oligarqze xar mibmuli,

iq damoukidebeli ver iqnebi.

axla aqtiurad ganixileba,

aris Tu ara gaxaria damoukidebeli.

mgonia, rom ar aris, Tumca

amas dro gamoaCens. es kaci

politikuri partiis Seqmnas apirebs.

Tu susi misi partiis Seviwroebas

daiwyebs da masac daibareben

prokuraturaSi, maSin davijereb,

rom damoukidebeli figuraa.

ratomRac, mgonia, rom mas

ivaniSvili sasaTbure pirobebs

Seuqmnis da is gaxdeba „qarTuli

ocneba 2".

_ isev namdvili opoziciis

ambebs davubrundeT: 15 maisidan

iwyebT aqciebs. Tqveni azriT,

SeZlebT ramis miRwevas?

_ kargi iqneba, Tu dasavleTidan

sanqciebic dawesdeba, magram

marto Cveni aqciebiTac Sei-

Zleba Sedegis miRweva. aqciebs

rom Sedegi moaqvs, amaSi Cveni

sazogadoeba 31 martsac darwmunda.

am dRes saqarTveloSi

Camovida rusuli delegacia,

romelsac pozneris dabadebis

dRe unda ezeima. es pozneri gaxlavT

putinis ideologi. is acxadebs,

rom afxazeTi da cxinvalis

regioni arasdros iqneba

saqarTvelo. sazogadoeba maT

Camosvlas protestiT Sexvda. es

aqcia rom ara, okupantebi aq

Tavisuflad gaagrZelebdnen

qeifs. protests yovelTvis mosdevs

Sedegi. pozneris Camosvlas

SevexeT da am Temaze zogierTi

qarTvelis gakeTebul gancxadebas

minda gamovexmauro: viRacebma

Tqves, „stumar-maspinZlis”

damweri eri stumars ase rogor

daxvdao? maT gasagonad vambob:

stumarTmoyvareoba siStereSi

ar unda gadagvezardos. am stumarTmoyvareobis

gamo yvelaze

mets rusebi dagvcinodnen. Cvens

ufross Taobas emaxsovreba er-

Ti ambavi: viRac rusi Jurnalisti

Camovida aq. mas arnaxuli maspinZloba

gauwies. ukan dabrunebulma

ki dawera, rom qarTvelebi

arian Rorebi, bevrs Wamen, hyavT

msuqani Svilebi da a. S. saqarTvelo

rusebisTvis asocirdeba kai

saqeifo adgilad. aseTi damokidebuleba

nervebs miSlis. arc

is momwons, roca Cemi mSobliuri

kuTxe asocirdeba xaSlamasTan.

_ ratom gaRizianebT?

_ roca igeben, Telaveli var,

xaSlamao, gaiZaxian. Telavi aris

Zveli sataxto qalaqi, romlis

saxelsac uamravi istoria ukav-

Sirdeba. raRac xaSlama gaxsendeba?

sxva araferi gagigia kaxeTze?

ase ar SeiZleba! rusebisTvis

saqarTvelo gaxda yurZeni, karalioki,

xaSlama da xinkali. maT-

Tvis sufrebis gaSla da tingici

unda damTavrdes.

sul cota xnis win davkrZaleT

daTa papa, romelic saokupacio

zols iqiT aRmoCnda. am

kacma saxli ar datova da imis

uflebac ki ar mogvces, rom sam-

Zimarze gadavsuliyaviT. qelexis

lobio da sxva produqtebi

mavTulxlarTebis aqedan gadavawodeT,

rom es didebuli kaci

Rirseulad daekrZalaT. micvalebuli

ar gvatires da amis Semoqmed

rusebs TbilisSi dros vatarebinebT?

Cveulebrivi turistebi

rom yofiliyvnen, kidev

ar amoviRebdiT xmas. es pozneri

ki aris putinis ideologi, romelic

afxazeTsa da cxinvalis regions

ar aRiqvams saqarTvelod.

mas da misnairebs saqarTveloSi

araferi esaqmebaT. xalxis protestis

Sedegad isini saqarTvelodan

gaiqcnen. protests yovel-

Tvis moaqvs Sedegi. mjera, rom

opoziciis dawyebuli saprotesto

aqciebic moitans Sedegs. ima-

Sic darwmunebuli var, rom garedanac

iqneba sanqciebi da ivaniSvili

saerTod gadaixveweba.

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ra xdeba „ocnebaSi”? ras

abralebs xalxi xelisuflebas?

ra aqvs Cafiqrebuli opozi-

cias? ra aZlevs maT optimizmis

safuZvels? rodis gamova nika

melia? _ amis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s

Saqro terteraSvili es-

aubreba:

_ opozicia regionebSi gadis

da 15 maisis aqciisTvis iwyebs

samzadiss. Tqven kaxeTis re-

gions warmoadgenT da iciT am

regionis ganwyoba. ras fiqrobs

xalxi da ramdenad gamarTlebulia

15 maisamde aqciis gadade-

ba? sxva Tu araferi, SesaZloa,

pandemiis gamo qveyana isev

Caiketos.

_ am xelisuflebisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli. opoziciam,

Tavis mxriv, pasuxismgebloba

gamoiCina, roca aqcia 15

maisisTvis daniSna. mogexsenebaT,

rom ucxoeli partniorebis mediaciiT

mimdinareobda molaparakebebi.

Cven ar gvindoda, rom

„qarTul ocnebas” eTqva, opozicia

radikalur nabijebs dgamso.

15 maiss Cven masStabur aqcias vapirebT

da amas seriozuli mosamzadebeli

periodi sWirdeba.

amasTan, qveyanaSi unda dawyebuliyo

vaqcinacia. Cven vfiqrobdiT,

rom vaqcinacia pandemias

cota Seasustebda. am momentebis

gaTvaliswinebiT SevarCieT 15

maisi, Torem Cveni momxreebi

dResve mzad arian, aqciaze gamovidnen.

Cven yvelani kargad vacnobierebT,

rom vakeTebT saqveyno

saqmes. Cvens saqmianobas uyurebs

mTeli msoflio. aseT

dros yvela nabiji asjer unda

gavzomoT, rom raime Secdoma ar

davuSvaT.

_ gasagebia, rom opozicias

surs, dasavleTis TvalSi kargad

gamoCndes, magram ras miaRwieT?

_ CaSlil molaparakebebze

evropam opoziciasac dagak-

israT pasuxismgebloba.

_ molaparakebebi midis or

mxares Soris. evropeli diplomatebi

gamoirCevian sifrTxiliT.

isini araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

daadanaSaulebdnen marto erT

mxares. maTi gancxadebebi iyo

diplomatiuri. Tumca maT SefasebebSi

xazgasmuli gaxldaT,

rom yvelaferze mainc xelisufleba

agebs pasuxis. amiT yvelaferia

naTqvami.

_ Tqven fiqrobT, rom dasavleTma

mxolod „qarTul ocnebas”

daakisra pasuxismgeblo-

ba?

_ ZiriTadi pasuxismgebloba

mainc xelisuflebas daakisres.

sxvanairad ver iqneboda. im eqvs

punqtze, romelic SeTanxmebaSi

ewera, saboloo gadawyvetileba

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èrTi suli aqvT, rodis gava ori

15 maisisTvis dagegmil aqciaze

Sorena marsagiSvili

opozicia did imedebs amyarebs.

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„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri

Saqro terteraSvili miiCnevs, rom

opoziciam aqciis Casatareblad swori dro SearCia. misi TqmiT,

xelisuflebaSi aSkarad SeiniSneba panika. ambobs, rom „ocnebis”

aqtivi Zveleburad mxned veRar gamoiyureba da regionebSi maT

gasamxneveblad Tbilisidan agzavnian xalxs. terteraSvili dar-

wmunebulia, rom Zalian male nika melia sapatimros datovebs.

599 92 16 22

Saqro terteraSvili:

`xelisuflebis

gastumrebis

momswreni

Zalian male

gavxdebiT~

unda miiRos xelisuflebam. vadamdel

arCevnebs opozicia ver

daniSnavs. opozicias arc politikuri

niSniT devnis SeCereba

SeuZlia, arc saarCevno reformis

gatarebaa Cvenze damokidebuli.

amaze gadawyvetileba unda

miiRos xelisuflebaSi myofma

Zalam. xelisuflebaSi „qarTuli

ocnebaa”. sakonstitucio cvlilebebze

Tu midgeboda saqme,

maSin opoziciasac daekisreboda

pasuxismgebloba. am cvlilebebis

misaRebad parlamentSi Sesvla

iqneboda saWiro.

_ Sevidoda aseT SemTxvevaSi

opozicia parlamentSi?

_ sakonstitucio cvlilebebamde

Tu mividoda saqme, saWiro

xmebis mosagroveblad opozicia

parlamentSi Sevidoda. nika melia

patimrobaSi rom ar unda

iyos, amas opoziciis Zalisxmeva

raSi sWirdeba? ubralod, xelisuflebam

prokuraturasa da

sasamarTloze unda moxsnas wnexi

da nika melia erT saaTSi iqneba

gareT. aTas sisuleles rom

gveubnebian, melias parlamentSi

SeWra undodao, sad aris amis

mtkicebulebebi? ratom gaaqres

parlamentis gare perimetris

Canawerebi? marTla SeWris mcdeloba

rom yofiliyo, es Canawerebi

mTavari mtkicebuleba iqneboda.

arc is mesmis, ratom adareben

erTmaneTs 20 ivnisis Ramesa da

amerikaSi kapitoliumSi SeWras?

6 ianvars amerikaSi saprezidento

arCevnebis Sedegebi unda ecnoT.

kapitoliumSi SeWrilma

xalxma am procesis CaSla scada.

melias 20 ivnisis Rames parlamentSi

Tavisi momxreebi romc

Seeyvana, ra moxdeboda? _ arc

araferi.

gavrilovis Rames parlamentis

Senoba iyo carieli da

ranairad iqneboda saxelmwifo

gadatrialebis mcdeloba? an,

iqneb, imas fiqrobs vinme, rom

parlamentSi Sevidoda Tu ara

opozicia, avtomaturad Cairazeboda

yvela saxelmwifo uwyebis

karebebi. saxelmwifo gadatrialebaze

saubari aris absurdi.

marTla Tu iyo ramis mcdiloba,

mtkicebulebebi warmoadginon,

Cvenc gvainteresebs.

xelisuflebis pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxs davubrundebi. „qarTulma

ocnebam” unda moaSoros

susi saarCevno procesebs. dRes

realurad susi arCevs saarCevno

komisiis dasaniSn wevrebs. Cven

suss amas ver avukrZalavT, imitom

rom opozicia varT. xelisufleba

amas Zalian martivad gaakeTebs.

suss etyvian, saarCevno

komisiebs SeeSvi da is gaakeTe,

rac realurad Seni saqmea. saxelmwifo

usafrTxoebis samsaxuris

movaleoba saxelmwifos usafrTxoebis

dacvaa. susma unda

uzrunvelyos, rom patara bavSvebi

ar gadaiparon sazRvarze da

Semdeg islamuri saxelmwifos

rigebSi ar aRmoCndnen. susma

unda daicvas qveyana iseTi teroristebis

Semosvlisgan, rogoric

Tundac axmed Cataevi iyo.

suss qveynis usafrTxoeba

saerTod ar ainteresebs. maT

pirveli pirebisgan sxva davalebebi

aqvT miRebuli. kerZod,

unda gaarkvion, vin xelisuflebis

momxrea da vin _ opoziciis.

opoziciis momxreebs Rame saxl-

Si unda moakiTxon. isini an unda

gadaibiron, an ise SeaSinon, rom

arCevnebze saerTod ar wavidnen.

Cveni mxridan ukve wlebia,

suss veubnebiT, rom Tavi dagvanebeT

da Tavis saqmes mixedeT,

magram ar gveSvebian. es ase iqneba

manam, sanam amaze miTiTebas

ivaniSvili ar miscems.

imisTvis, rom qveyanaSi arsebuli

mZime viTareba ganimuxtos,

ramdenime nabijia gadasadgmeli.

yvela es nabiji unda gadadgas

xelisuflebam. Cveni Careva mxolod

maSin iqneba saWiro, Tu

saqme sakonstitucio cvlilebebamde

miva. sxva SemTxvevaSi yvelaferi

„ocnebam” unda gaakeTos.

_ ician, magram ar akeTeben.

_ ratom gaakeTeben. egre imis

aRiarebac mouwevT, rom arCevnebi

gayalbdao. axla gaiZaxian, Tu

dadasturda, arCevnebi 1%-iT

mainc gayalbda, amas da amas

vizamTo. 1%-ze saubari Zalian

sasaciloa.

_ sasacilo ratom aris?

`nika melia patimrobaSi rom ar unda iyos,

amas opoziciis Zalisxmeva raSi sWirdeba?

ubralod, xelisuflebam prokuraturasa da

sasamarTloze unda moxsnas wnexi da nika

melia erT saaTSi iqneba gareT. aTas

sisuleles rom gveubnebian, melias

parlamentSi SeWra undodao, sad aris amis

mtkicebulebebi? ratom gaaqres parlamentis

gare perimetris Canawerebi? marTla SeWris

mcdeloba rom yofiliyo, es Canawerebi

mTavari mtkicebuleba iqneboda~

_ 1% iciT, ramdenia? 200-kacian

ubanze susma opoziciis

erTi momxrec rom gadaibiros,

egaa 1%-iani gayalbeba. Tqveni

azriT, ratom arCevs saarCevno

komisiebSi dasaniSn xalxs susi?

imitom, rom komisiis wevrebma

arCevnebze viRacebs biuleteni

gaubaTilon. gamagebineT, suss

saerTod ra esaqmeba arCevnebze?

an samxedroebi da policielebi

ratom moiyvanes da ratom

atarebdnen uban-uban? imisTvis

namdvilad ar CamouyvaniaT, rom

opoziciisTvis miecaT xma. Camoiyvanes

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxardasaWerad.

„ocnebas” arCevneb-

Si yvela is piri hyavda CarTuli,

visac kanonis ZaliT ekrZaleba

aqtivoba arCevnebis dRes.

aseT dros Zalian uxerxulia,

rodesac xelisuflebis warmomadgeneli

gveubneba, 1%-iani

gayalbeba mainc Tu dadasturdao.

1%-ic dadasturdeba da 20-

ic. am xelisuflebis gastumrebis

momswreni Zalian male

gavxdebiT. mere vnaxavT, Tu ra

sazizRrad gaayalbes 2020 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebi.

_ Zalian bevri opozicioneri

ambobs, rom am xelisuflebas

male gavistumrebTo. saqmes ise-

Ti piri uCans, maTi gaSveba male

ar moxerxdeba. aSkaraa, rom isi-

ni arafris daTmobas ar

apireben.

_ eWvi ar mepareba, rom „qar-

Tul ocnebas” xelisuflebidan

male gavacilebT. kargad maxsovs

ra ganwyoba hqondaT „ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebs ramdenime wlis

winaT da vxedav, ra ganwyoba aqvT

axla. roca vambob, rom xelisuflebas

male gavuSvebT, es imas

ar niSnavs, rom xval gaviRviZebT

da mTeli „ocneba” saxlSi iqneba

wasuli. viRacebi ukve midian partiidan.

„qarTuli ocnebis”

rRveva dawyebulia. es gansaku-

TrebiT kargad Cans regionebSi.

_ samegrelos regionSi sakrebulos

wevrebi marTla tove-

ben „qarTul ocnebas”. es ufro

gaxarias wasvlas ukavSirdeba.

kaxeTis regionSic msgavsi situ-

aciaa?

_ ganwyobebi kaxeTSic mniS-

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Tve, rom nika gareT gamouSvan~

vnelovnad aris Secvlili. partiidan

wasvlis gadawyvetilebebi,

jerjerobiT, aravis miuRia.

_ ganwyobebis Secvla rogor

gamoixateba?

_ yvelanairad: Zveli SemarTebiT

aRar uWeren mxars partias.

jer kidev guSin viRacebs See-

ZloT, ivaniSvilis gamo tyviisTvis

mkerdi mieSviraT. dRes es

ase aRar aris.

_ es Cinosnebzea saubari Tu

mxardamWerebze?

_ vsaubrob partiul aqtivze,

romelic „qarTul ocnebas”

hyavs dasaqmebuli. ganwyobebi

mniSvnelovnad aris Secvlili. es

cvlilebebi maTi saubrebidanac

ki SeiniSneba. Tavs myarad veRar

grZnoben, momavlis eSiniaT.

_ momavlis ratom eSiniaT?

_ ukve grZnoben cvlilebebs

da ician, rom erT dRes yvelaferi

Seicvleba da raRacebze

mouwevT pasuxisgeba. kaxeTis

regionSi bevr adamians vicnob.

maT Soris arian xelisuflebis

momxreebi da saxelisuflebo

struqturebSi dasaqmebulebic.

aqamde isini optimisturad iyvnen

ganwyobili. pirad da partiis

momavalsac feradi saTvaliT

uyurebdnen. axla aseTi bednierebi

aRar arian. yvela cvlilebis

molodinSia. darwmunebuli

var, igive situacia iqneba

mTeli qveynis masStabiT. xelisuflebis

rRveva rom iwyeba,

es, pirvel rigSi, regionebSi

iCens xolme Tavs. regionebSi

rRvevis niSnebi ukve aris.

_ opozicia marto am rRve-

vis niSnebis imedad ar unda

iyos. maT gasakeTebels mainc

aravin gaakeTebs.

_ Cven arc varT aravis imedad,

magram araa patara ambavi, roca

„qarTuli ocnebis” partaqtivSi

ganwyobebi mniSvnelovnad aris

Secvlili. xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

ukve veRar malaven,

rom saqme kargad ar aqvT. rac

dro gadis, es sul ufro cxadi

xdeba.

2 aprils Telavsa da axmetaSi

Camosuli iyo putCisti da amJamad

maJoritari irakli qadagiSvili.

is Sexvda axmetis sakrebulos

umravlesobis wevrebs. ambobda,

maT mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze

unda vesaubroo. ramdenadac

vici, am Sexvedraze arc erT

saWirboroto sakiTxze saubari

ar yofila. vfiqrob, qadagiSvili

axmetaSi sul sxva misiiT iyo

Camosuli.

_ ra misiiT unda Camo-

suliyo?

_ is realurad imitom Camovida,

rom partaqtivi Seegulianebina.

_ isea saqme, rom „ocnebis”

momxreebs ukve Segulianeba

sWirdebaT?

_ sWirdebaT da qadagiSvilic

Camovida maT gasamxneveblad.

sxva regionebsac ase daivlian

gubernatorebi da maJoritarebi.

mxardamWerebsa da partaqtivs

etyvian, saqme kargad midis da nu

geSiniaTo.

`1%-ic dadasturdeba da 20-ic. am xelisuflebis gastumrebis momswreni

Zalian male gavxdebiT. mere vnaxavT, Tu ra sazizRrad gaayalbes 2020 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebi~

_ Semodgomaze TviTmmarTve-

lobis arCevnebi tardeba da

iqneb, amis mosamzadeblad iyo

qadagiSvili Camosuli? mamuka

mdinaraZem Tqva, male gavalT

regionebSi da saarCevno kampa-

nias daviwyebTo.

_ Cemi azriT, amas saarCevno

kampaniis dawyebasTan kavSiri ar

aqvs. xelisuflebas jer ar dauwyia

es kampania. „ocnebis” liderebi

acxadeben, rom arCevnebamde

jer adrea da ra dros kandidatebis

dasaxelebaao? qadagiSvilisa

da umravlesobis Sexvedris

fotoebs rom davxede,

maSinve mivxvdi, iq sxva raRac

xdeboda. iseTi xalxi iyo im

fotoebze, romelic arCevnebze

sasaubrod ar mocdeboda. partaqtivs

amxneveben. SeuZliaT,

mTeli qveyana Semoiaron, magram

eseni momxreebis gamxnevebas ve-

Rar SeZleben. yvela xedavs da

grZnobs, rom xelisuflebaSi

rRvevis procesi dawyebulia.

_ isev opoziciis aqcias davubrundeT.

gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

aprilis bolos Sei-

Zleba kidev erTxel Camovides

danielsoni. amis gamo opozicia

kidev xom ar gadadebT aqcias?

_ aprilis bolos Tu Camova es

kaci, 15 maisis aqciis gadadebam

ratom unda mogviwios? ara mgonia,

danielsoni aq ori kvira

darCes. molaparakebebi amdeni

xani ar gagrZeldeba. es TariRi

imitom SevarCieT, rom molaparakebebis

CaSla ar daebralebinaT.

xelisuflebam erTxel ukve scada

CvenTvis daebralebina, rom

molaparakebebis CaSla gvindoda.

im dRes, roca evropelebis

mediaciiT daiwyo molaparakebebi,

samoqalaqo aqtivistebma parlamentTan

gamarTes raRac mSvidobiani

aqcia. xelisuflebis

`kobaxiZe marTla Zalian komikuri figuraa.

ar mesmis, ratom daniSna is ivaniSvilma

partiis Tavmjdomaris rolis Semsruleblad?

imdenad araseriozulia, rom dmoukideblad

or kacs ver miiyvans saxlSi, rom preferansi

eTamaSos. rogor ver gamoviyvanT quCaSi

xalxs da rogor ver SevavsebT quCas, amas 15

maiss vaCvenebT yvelas!~

ruporebi maSinve gamovardnen da

daiwyes yvirili. gaiZaxodnen,

SexedeT, rogori destruqciulia

opozicia, molaparakebebia

saWiro, eseni kidev aqcias awyobeno.

arada, samoqalaqo aqtivistebi

marTavdnen aqcias da Zalian

konstruqciulad iqceodnen.

maSin gadavwyviteT, rom xelisuflebisTvis

sababi ar migveca

da aqcia 15 maisisTvis gadavitaneT.

xelisuflebas arc es

moewona da axla amaze atexes

yvirili, _ 15 maisisTvis ratom

gadaitanes aqciao?! zogierTi

imasac amtkicebda, opozicia

xalxs ver agrovebs da amitom

gadaiwia aqciis TariRmao.

_ irakli kobaxiZe ufro

Sors wavida da Tqva, opozicia

araTu quCas, Salikos fanCa-

tursac ki veRar avsebso.

_ amaze ra unda gipasuxoT?

irakli kobaxiZe bolo dros

Zalian gakomikurda da misi

gancxadebebis seriozulad komentireba

miWirs.

_ gakomikurebuli eZaxeT da

ki aris mmarTveli partiis

Tavmjdomare.

_ eg partiis iseTi Tavmjdomarea,

rogori premieric irakli

RaribaSvilia. erTsac da meoresac

patronma misca es rolebi

da isinic asruleben. xval

ivaniSvili Tu ityvis, rom kobaxiZem

da RaribaSvilma zebras

unda aWamono, wavlen da aWmeven.

Tu ityvis, rom zebris Tavla

unda daasufTavon, wavlen da

amasac uproblemod gaakeTeben.

kobaxiZe marTla Zalian komikuri

figuraa. ar mesmis, ratom

daniSna is ivaniSvilma partiis

Tavmjdomaris rolis Semsruleblad?

imdenad araseriozulia,

rom dmoukideblad or kacs ver

miiyvans saxlSi, rom preferansi

eTamaSos. rogor ver gamoviyvanT

quCaSi xalxs da rogor ver

SevavsebT quCas, amas 15 maiss

vaCvenebT yvelas!

_ aSkaraa, rom optimistur-

ad xarT ganwyobili.

_ optimisturad imitom var

ganwyobili, rom amis realuri

safuZveli maqvs. yvelafridan

Cans, rom xelisufleba ukiduresad

aris dasustebuli. „qarTul

ocnebas” problemebi aqvs rogorc

qveynis SigniT, aseve qveynis

gareT. rac mTavaria, xalxi acnobierebs,

rom qveynis gaubedureba

am xelisuflebis bralia.

amdeni xania, xelisuflebaSi arian

da veraferi gaakeTes. yvela

mimarTulebiT Cavardnebi aqvT.

pandemias rom ver umklavdebian,

amaze gansakuTrebul yuradRebas

ar gavamaxvileb. koronasTan

gamklaveba yvelas uWirs.

imdenad raRacnairebi arian,

stumari ise ver Camoiyvanes, rom

skandali ar agordes. Camoiyvanen

am xalxs ruseTidan, atydeba

erTi ambavi da mere gaiZaxian,

Cven ra SuaSi varT, opoziciam

Camoiyvanao. Tan am okupanti

stumrebis dacvaSi arian.

_ dacvasac dacva hqvia, pozneris

gamo sul „stumar-maspin-

Zeli” gvirtyes TavSi.

_ jobda, Tavad ertyaT TavSi

„stumar-maspinZeli”. vinc am

nawarmoebze saubrobda, umetesobas

is wakiTxuli arc ki aqvs.

vinc waikiTxa, iman didi alba-

TobiT wakiTxulidan Sinaarsi

ver gamoitana. visac gaazrebuli

aqvs wakiTxulis Sinaarsi, isic

sisuleleebs laparakobs, imitom

rom partiuli davalebaa aseTi.

ar SemiZlia ar Sevexo laris

kurss. erovnuli valutis gaufasurebas

xan ras abraleben da

xan _ ras. arada, laris vardna

pirdapir kavSirSia „qarTuli

ocnebis” umaqnisobasTan. maT mxolod

TavianTi korufciul-nepotisturi

miznebi amoZravebT da

meti araferi. dRes mosaxleobis

didi nawili Tanxmdeba imaze,

rom qveyanas rac sWirs, es xelisuflebis

bralia. viRacebi amaze

xmamaRla rom ar yvirian, es imas

ar niSnavs, rom ase ar fiqroben.

Cveni mosaxleobis didi nawili

fiqrobs, rom es xelisufleba

unda Seicvalos. roca xalxi aseT

ganaCens gamogitans da mmarTveli

partiis SigniT rRvevaa

dawyebuli, xelisufleba verafers

Secvlis. 15 maissac gamoCndeba,

Tu ramdeni adamiania am

xelisuflebiT ukmayofilo.

_ davelodoT 15 maiss. erT

Tveze cota meti dro darCa.

_ axlave SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom 15 maiss yvelaferi kargad

iqneba. imasac getyviT, rom 15

maisamdec moxdeba kargi ambebi.

_ ra kargi ambebi unda

moxdes?

_ imedi maqvs, rom Cveni politpatimrebi

15 maisisTvis gareT

iqnebian. sul male iwureba

nika melias patimrobis orTviani

vada. meeWveba, xelisuflebam misi

patimroba gaaxangrZlivos. ase

mgonia, erTi suli aqvT, rodis

gava es ori Tve, rom nika gareT

gamouSvan. amiT CvenTanac Tavs

moiwoneben da _ ucxoelebTanac.

ityvian, Cveni sasamarTlo Tavisufalia

da man miiRo damoukidebeli

gadawyvetilebao.

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didi gadanawileba

qarTul telebazarze axali

giorgi abaSiZe

gadanawileba iwyeba, rac mou-

lodneloba namdvilad ar aris.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, jer kidev 2020 wlis 31 oqtombramde kuluarebSi

ambobdnen, rom arCevnebis damTavrebis Semdeg televi-

ziebsa da aseve internetgamocemebSi erTgvari reorganizacia

moxdeboda. amave konteqstSi miniSneba imaze keTdeboda, rom ama

Tu im gavleniani an met-naklebad gavleniani mediis mflobele-

bi Seicvlebodnen, Tumca am SemTxvevaSi aqcenti, rasakvirvelia,

e. w. saxelisuflebo mediasaSualebebze keTdeboda.

zogadad, saqarTveloSi mkve-

Trad prosaxelisuflebo televizia

„imedi” da POSTV-ia.

aseve funqcionirebs ramdenime

onlain-gamocema, romelic Riad

ar ambobs, rom „ocnebaze”

muSaobs, magram yvelam icis,

rom es onlaingamocemebi dafinansebas,

pirdapir Tu iribad,

mmarTveli partiidan an masTan

daaxloebuli biznesmenebisgan

iReben.

mokled, arCevnebi damTavrda

da is scenari, razedac kuluarebSi

saubrobdnen, nelnela

amoqmedda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

ramdenime kviris win cnobili

gaxda, rom „rusTavi 2"

„praimtaimTan” mediaholdings

qmnis, Tumca vidre erT dros

flagmani televiziis dRevandelobaze

visaubrebT, jer „imedSi”

mimdinare ambebi mimovixiloT.

gasul kviras mediaholding

„qronika+~-is sainformacio

saagento CNews-ma gaavrcela

informacia, rom „imedSi” TanamSromlebis

Semcireba daiwyo.

saagento werda, rom dRis wesrigSi

dgas gadacemebis daxurva.

amas garda, CNews-is monacemebiT,

irakli ruxaZem Tqva,

rom televiziaSi fulis dabandebas

aRar apirebs. aRsaniSnavia,

rom saagentosTan saubrisas

es faqtebi „imedis” sainformacio

samsaxuris xelmZRvanelma,

irkali CixlaZem ar daadastura,

Tumca arc xelaRebiT

uaryo da saagentos Jurnalists

urCia, rom informacia

televiziis direqtorTan, irakli

laliaSvilTan gadaemowmebina.

sxvaTa Soris, irakli ruxaZem

„imedi” oficialurad arc-

Tu didi xnis win, kerZod, mimdinare

wlis dasawyisSi SeiZina.

kerZod, rogorc maSin gavrcelda

informacia, badri patarkaciSvilis

ojaxis mflobelobaSi

arsebuli mediagigantis

gasxvisebaze gadawyvetileba mi-

Rebul iqna da nebarTvac gaica,

anu 2021 wlis ianvarSi jer wilebi

oficialurad ar iyo gadaformebuli,

magram komunikaciebis

maregulirebelma komisiam

holdingis gayidvaze, romelSic

„teleimedi”, radio „imedi”

da „jidiesi” Sedian, imsjela.

maSindeli informaciiTve,

„imedi”, niderlandebSi dafuZnebuli

kompaniis mflobeloba-

Si gadavida, romlis patronebic

arian aSS-s moqalaqe ruxa-

30

Ze, aseve aSS-s moqalaqe igor

aleqseevi da britaneTis moqalaqe

benJamin albert marsoni.

„samive maTgans badri patarkaciSvilis

qvrivi, ina gudavaZe

wlebis winaT biznesmenis

qonebis arasworad gankargvisTvis

uCioda da britaneTis

sasamarTlom isini gaamtyuna”,

_ iuwyeboda ianvarSi qarTuli

onlainmedia.

sxvaTa Soris, „imedis” yidva,

Tavis droze, ruxaZemac daadastura:

„me da Cemi partniorebi vyidulobT.

ufro sworad, ori

wlis win viyideT. ubralod,

gadaformeba gaWianurda struqturuli

mizezebis gamo. dRes

miviReT formaluri Tanxmoba

komunikaciebis maregulirebeli

komisiidan. ramdenime TveSi

davxuravT garigebas da gamovacxadebT.

telekompanias jer

isev ina gudavaZe flobs”.

saerTod, ruxaZe „ocnebasTan”

daaxloebul personad miiCneva

da ramdenime wlis win kuluarebSi

imasac ki ambobdnen,

rom ruxaZes TiTqos premierad

amzadebdnen, Tumca, rogorc

Cans, partias is ideologiis

kuTxiT dasWirda da amitomac

„imedi” Caabara, magram axla

sxva viTarebaa _ marTalia, „ocneba”

ixtibars ar itexs, magram

Tavad „meocnebeebic” ki xvdebian,

rom viTareba myifea da erTpirovnuli

mmarTveloba didxans

aRar gagrZeldeba, Tanac

isic naTelia, rom igive propagandistulma

„imedma” da

POSTV-m realuri Sedegi ver

dado, anu es ori televizia

qveyanaSi prosaxelisuflebi

aminds ver qmnis. amitomac, rogorc

ityvian, orive zedmeti

bargia da zedmet bargSi fulis

dabandebas azri rom ar aqvs, es

bavSvmac ki icis.

„imedis” msgavsad, mTlad saxarbielo

situacia arc POSTVis

aqvs. jer erTi, moaruli xmebiT,

am televiziis erT-erT

damfuZnebel laSa nacvliSvils

„SuSis sasaxlis” mflobelTan

urTierToba ise daeZaba, rom

misi Tavisufleba SesaZloa,

eWvqveSac ki dadges. amis mizezi

ki „tv pirvelis” mier gavrcelebuli

faruli Canawerebia,

romlis figurantebic arian

moqmedi premieri irakli RaribaSvili,

saxelmwifo dacvis

specialuri samsaxuris xelmZRvaneli

anzor CubiniZe da bera

ivaniSili. anu, Turme, dadasturda

eWvi, rom Canaweris

ra xdeba ìmedze~ da

ra elis POSTV-is?

gamoJonvis kvali swored nacvliSvilTan

midis.

meorec, „zemoT” isic ukiTxavT,

POSTV-Si amden fuls rom

vxarjavT, ra xeiri vnaxeTo?

televiziis menejments Tavis

marTleba dauwyia, ai, mTeli

socialuri qseli Cvens trendzeao,

magram naTqvamia, tyuils

mokle fexebi aqvso. hoda,

am televiziis dafinansebis sakiTxic,

rogorc amboben, kiTxvis

niSnis qveS dgas.

axla, rac Seexeba „rusTavi 2-

s~: jer kidev 2019 wels, roca

televizia qibar xalvaSma daibruna,

iTqva, rom es moklevadiani

proeqti iyo da „rusTavi 2"

arsebobas male Sewyvetda. amis

mere is xmac gavrcelda, rom

xalvaSs televizia TiTqos vano

CxartiSvilisTvis unda mieyida

da rogorc amboben, saamisod

winaswari samuSaoebi dawyebulic

iyo, magram gaxarias gadadgomam,

Cveni wyaros TqmiT, yvelaferi

Tavdayira daayena, anu

rogorc amboben, RaribaSvilsa

da CxartiSvils cudi urTier-

Toba aqvT da swored premieri

`saxelisuflebo media aSkarad karg `palasaze~

ver aris. paralelurad ki mmarTveli elita

Tavisufal da kritikul medias ebrZvis da raRas

ar cdilobs, rom qveyanaSi Tavisufali sityva

aRar ismodes, magram mediasTan brZola

xelisuflebas arsad da arasodes mougia! imedia,

am mxriv saqarTvelo flagmani ar gaxdeba!~

wasula winaaRmdegi, rom „rus-

Tavi 2" CxartiSvilis xelSi gadasuliyo.

am gadasvlis mizani

ki, rogorc gvixsnian, aseTi

yofila:

„imedisgan” gansxvavebiT,

„rusTavi 2-s” obieqturi mediis

saxe unda SeenarCunebina,

Tumca gadamwyvet momentSi

mkveTrad „qocuri” narativi

unda gaetarebina.

CxartiSvilis sqemidan amovardnis

Semdeg, zemoTqmuli

mocemuloba ar Secvlila, anu

„rusTavi 2-isa” da „praimtaimis”

erT holdingad Serwymac,

Turme, swored am miznis realizebas

emsaxureba.

saerTod, „rusTavi 2", yvela

sxva televiziisgan imiTac gamoirCeva,

rom xelisuflebebis

Secvlis paralelurad, misi

mflobelebic icvlebodnen da

icvlebian. mTeli es istoria

kargad Cans kvlevaSi, romelic

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saxelisuflebo mediaSi

ramdenime wlis win, kerZod,

2013-Si transparency.ge-ze gamoqveynda

da romelsac Cveni gamocema

SemoklebiT gTavazobT:

„2004-2012 wlebSi „rusTavi

2-is” mflobeloba TiTqmis 20-

jer Seicvala. xSirad es saeWvo

garigebebis Sedegad xdeboda,

romlebSic mixeil saakaSvilTan

da „erTiani nacionaluri mo-

Zraobis” mTavrobasTan dakav-

Sirebuli pirebi monawileobdnen.

2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebidan

maleve, „rusTavi 2-

is” damfuZneblebma jarji aqimiZem

da daviT dvalma (maT telearxi

1994 wels erosi kiwmariSvilTan

erTad daaarses) ganacxades,

rom telearxis dabrunebas

sasamarTlos gziT Seecdebian.

damfuZneblebma 2004 wlis

movlenebze saubari saparlamento

arCevnebamde ramdenime

dRiT adre, 29 seqtembers daiwyes.

Ria werilSi dvalma da

aqimiZem ganacxades, rom isini

„saxelmwifo manqanis mxridan

Zaladobis erT-erTi pirveli

msxverpli” arian.

***

1994 wlidan 2004 wlamde

„rusTavi 2-is” TiToeuli damfuZnebeli

erosi kiwmariSvili,

daviT dvali da jarji aqimiZe

arxis 33.3%-s flobda.

2000-iani wlebisTvis rusTavSi

daarsebuli televizia qveynis

umsxviles kerZo telearxad

iqca, romelic SevardnaZis

mTavrobas xSirad akritikebda.

2001 wels popularuli gadacema

„Ramis kurieris” wamyvani giorgi

sanaia gaurkvevel viTarebaSi

mokles, misi saqme ki srulad

ar gamoiZies. imave wels

„rusTavi 2-Si” uSiSroebis samsaxuri

Sevida, radganac televizias

saxelmwifo 1.5 milioni

laris damalvaSi adanaSaulebda.

sazogadoebis mniSvnelovani

nawilis azriT, braldebebi simarTles

ar Seesabameboda. aRniSnul

movlenebs saprotesto

aqciebi moyva, rac mTavrobis

gadadgomiT dasrulda.

2003 wlis saparlamento ar-

Cevnebze „rusTavi 2-ma” egzitpolis

Sedegebi gamoaqveyna,

romlis mixedviTac, arCevnebSi

gamarjvebuli iyo mixeil saakaSvilis

„erTiani nacionaluri

moZraoba”, oficialuri Sedegebis

mixedviT ki saxelisuflebo

bloki liderobda. „rusTavi

2-is” mier arCevnebis gaSuqebam

saprotesto aqciebs misca biZgi,

rasac „vardebis revolucia”

da prezident SevardnaZis gadadgoma

mohyva.

***

2004 wlis TebervalSi erosi

kiwmariSvili savaWro palatis

prezidentad dainiSna, ramdenime

TveSi ki „rusTavi 2-is” direqtori

da 10%-is mflobeli

nika tabataZe (tabataZem TiToeuli

damfuZneblisgan 3.33%

miiRo) sagareo saqmeTa ministris

moadgile gaxda.

„vardebis revoluciis” Semdeg

„rusTavi 2-s” „gamarjvebuli

xalxis televiziad” moixseniebdnen.

dvali da aqimiZe ki

ixseneben, rom „nacionaluri

moZraobis” warmomadgenlebi

maT arxis daTmobas sTxovdnen.

yofili mflobelebis TqmiT,

fsiqologiuri zewolis miuxedavad,

maT „rusTavi 2" ar daTmes.

„rusTavi 2-ma” Media Development

Loan Fund-idan (MDLF)

sesxi aiRo, risTvisac mflobelebma

garantiad sakuTreba,

maT Soris, internet provaider

Georgia Online-is wilebi Cades.

rogorc dvalma da aqimiZem

„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba

saqarTvelos” ganucxades, amasobaSi

maTi urTierToba kiwmariSvilTan

daiZaba.

2004 wlis 11 ivniss kiwmariSvilma

„rusTavi 2-is” gakotrebis

procedurebi wamoiwyo,

rasac win uswrebda telekompaniis

gancxadeba 9.2 milioni

laris odenobis valis arsebobis

Sesaxeb, saidanac 4.6 milioni

lari „rusTavi 2-s” saxelmwifo

biujetisTvis hmarTebda.

mTavrobam kompanias valis restruqturizacia

SesTavaza. daviT

dvalis TqmiT, „rusTavi 2-

s” aseve hqonda 1.2 milioni dolaris

odenobis vali Media Development

Loan Fund-is mimarT,

rasac emateboda Tibisi-s mimarT

arsebuli 0.5 milion lariani

valic, rasac, dvalis TqmiT,

kompania ganrigis mixedviT istumrebda,

Tumca gakotrebis

Sesaxeb gakeTebuli gancxadebis

Semdeg, dvalisa da aqimiZis

TqmiT, mdgomareoba daiZaba

msesxeblebma valebis dabruneba

moiTxoves. imisTvis, raTa

piradi sakuTreba ar daekargaT,

rac maT sesxis aRebisas garantad

Cades, dvalisa da

aqimiZis TqmiT, isini iZulebuli

gaxdnen, gaeyidaT „rusTavi

2". Media Development Loan Fund-is

warmomadgenelma (MDLF-i, axla

ase iwodeba) dagvidastura, rom

„rusTavi 2-ma” 2004 wels saku-

Tari valebi dafara, Tumca

klientTan urTierTobis konfidencialurobidan

gamomdinare,

Tavi Seikava valis dabrunebis

procesis detalebis

gamJRavnebisgan.

„rusTavi 2-is” mflobelobis

mravaljeradi cvlileba swored

am momentidan iwyeba. 2004

wlis 16 ivniss paata karsaniZem,

romlis biznes saqmianobazec

cnobebi ar moipoveba, valebSi

myofi „rusTavi 2-is” 60% SeiZina

(30-30% jarji aqimiZisgan

da daviT dvalisgan), imave dRes

ki wilebi srulad qibar xalvaSs

mihyida. oficialuri dokumentebis

mixedviT, karsaniZem

TiToeul mflobels 100,000 aSS

dolari gadauxada, xalvaSs ki

wilebi 200,000 aSS dolarad

mihyida. xalvaSis kompania Sps

„panoramam” nika tabataZis 10%

da erosi kiwmariSvilis 30%-ic

Seisyida. sajaro dokumentebSi

aRniSnulia, rom tabataZem wilebi

nebayoflobiT daTmo da

sanacvlod 200 aTasi laris anazRaureba

miiRo, rac mis mier

sawesdebo kapitalSi Setanili

Tanxa iyo. erosi kiwmariSvilma

ki Tavisi wilebis sanacvlod

50,000 aSS dolari miiRo. oqtomberSi

kiwmariSvilma savaWro

palatis prezidentis posti datova

da aRarc „rusTavi 2-is”

xelmZRvanelobaSi figurirebda.

mediaSi gavrcelebuli cnobebis

mixedviT, misi megobruli

urTierToba premier-ministr

zurab JvaniasTan dasrulda.

gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

qibar xalvaSi irakli oqruaSvilis

megobari iyo. oqruaSvils

sxvadasxva dros mTavari

prokuroris (2004), Sinagan

saqmeTa ministris (2004), Tavdacvis

ministrisa (2004-2006)

da ekonomikuri ganviTarebis

ministris (2006) Tanamdebobebi

ekava. xalvaSi „proqter & gembelis”

sadistribucio qselsa

da „pepsis” flobda. 2007 wlis

dekemberSi, mas mere, rac oqruaSvilma

saakaSvilis mTavroba

datova, xalvaSis kompaniis sacavebi

xanZris Sedegad daiwva.

***

2005 wlis dekemberSi „saqcementma”

qibar xalvaSis kompania

„panoramasgan” „rusTavi 2-is”

22% 131,994 larad SeiZina. „saqcementis”

100%-is mflobeli

parlamentar daviT beJuaSvilisa

(„nacionaluri moZraoba”)

da yofili sagareo saqmeTa ministris

(2005-2008) gela beJuaSvilis

(gela beJuaSvili dRemde

saqarTvelos dazvervis samsaxuris

ufrosia) mama, robert

beJuaSvili iyo.

daaxloebiT, erTi wlis Semdeg

„saqcementisgan” es wilebi

isev robert beJuaSvilis kompania

„saqarTvelos industriulma

jgufma” SeiZina. jgufs

„holdingi saqarTvelos industriuli

jgufi” flobs, romelic,

Tavis mxriv, marSalis kun-

Zulebze registrirebuli kompania

„Cemeqsim interneiSenlis”

mflobelobaSia. daviT beJuaSvili

1999 wlidan moyolebuli

Tavis deklaraciaSi aRni-

Snavs, rom igi „Cemeqsim interneiSenlis”

partnioria, Tumca

am kompaniidan miRebuli raime

Semosavali parlamentaris deklaraciebSi

aRniSnuli ar aris.

„saqarTvelos industriuli

jgufi” naxSiris, energetikul

da uZravi qonebis kompaniebs

flobs. „haidelbergcement

saqarTvelos” 25%-ic am kompanias

ekuTvnis.

2006 wels xalvaSma telekompania

„mzis” 78%, beJuaSvilma ki

misi 22% SeiZina. „saqarTvelos

industriuli jgufi” „pirveli

stereos” 65%-sac flobda.

***

2006 wlis agvistoSi „rusTavis

2-is” direqtori nika tabataZe,

romelic ministris moadgilis

Tanamdebobidan gadadga

da arxs daubrunda, samsaxuridan

gaaTavisufles. igi koba

davaraSvilma Caanacvla, romelic,

mediaSi gavrcelebuli

cnobebis Tanaxmad, giorgi arvelaZesTan

daaxloebuli piri

iyo. arvelaZes ki prezidentis

administraciis ufrosis Tanamdeboba

ekava.

imave wels, mas Semdeg, rac

irakli oqruSvilma mTavroba

datova, qibar xalvaSma da misma

kompania „panoramam” „rusTavi

2-is” 78% Sps „jeo-transze”

gaasxvises. „jeo-transs” biZina

niJaraZe flobda, romlis biznes

saqmianobis Sesaxebac sazogadoebisTvis

araferia cnobili.

aT dReSi „jeo-transma” wilebis

55% britaneTis virjiniis

kunZulebze daregistrirebul

kompania Delgado Resources-s mihyida.

am ofSoruli kompaniis

oficialuri warmomadgeneli

levan yaramaniSvili iyo. yaramaniSvili

saqarTveloSi ramdenime

sxva ofSorul kompaniasac

warmoadgenda, maT Soris, im

kompaniebs, romlebic flobdnen

„kavkasus onlainsa” da „mobitels”

(„bilains”), restornebis

qsel GMC-sa da Tbilisis

rkinigzis sadgurze mdebare

savaWro centrs. „jeo-transis”

mflobelobaSi myofi danarCeni

23% ki „saqarTvelos industriulma

jgufma” SeiZina,

romelic 22%-s ukve flobda.

2007 wlis dasawyisSi marSalis

kunZulebze daregistrirebulma

kompania „jeomedia grupma”,

romlis oficialuri warmomadgenelic

isev biZina ni-

JaraZe iyo, Delgado Resources-is

55% SeiZina. am ori kompaniis

beneficiari mflobelebis vinaoba

dRemde ucnobia.

2007-2009 wlebSi „rusTavi 2-

is” direqtori irakli Ciqovani

iyo, romelic, Semdgom, 2009-

2013 wlebSi, saqarTvelos komunikaciebis

erovnuli komisiis

Tavmjdomare gaxldaT. 2008

wels Ciqovanma „rusTavi 2-is”

30% SeiZina (15% „jeomedia

grupisgan”, 15% ki „saqarTvelos

industriuli jgufisgan”).

sajaro reestris vebgverdze

arsebul arqivis dokumentebSi

es garigeba asaxuli ar aris.

maRali sazogadoebrivi interesis

miuxedavad, „rusTavis

2-is” mflobelebis vinaobis

Sesaxeb araferi iyo cnobili.

televiziebis burusiT moculi

mflobelobis gamo saqarTvelos

adgilobriv da saerTa-

Soriso doneze akritikebdnen.

am Temis Sesaxeb informacia

„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba

saqarTvelos” angariSis saSualebiT

gavrcelda.

2011 wels parlamentma of-

Soruli kompaniebis mier mauwyeblebis

floba akrZala da

televiziebsa da radioebs beneficiari

mflobelebis gamJRavneba

mosTxova. cvlilebebi

ZalaSi 2012 wlis dasawyisSi

Sevida, cota xniT adre ki levan

yaramaniSvilma „rusTavi 2"-

Si Degson Limited-is 60% da „Cemeqsim

interneiSenlis” 30% Sei-

Zina. giorgi gegeSiZem, romelic

Degson Limited-s warmoadgenda,

ofSoruli kompaniisgan

darCenili 10% SeiZina”.

***

erTi sityviT, saxelisuflebo

media aSkarad karg „palasaze” ver

aris. paralelurad ki mmarTveli

elita Tavisufal da kritikul

medias ebrZvis da raRas ar cdilobs,

rom qveyanaSi Tavisufali

sityva aRar ismodes, magram mediasTan

brZola xelisuflebas

arsad da arsodes mougia! imedia,

am mxriv saqarTvelo flagmani ar

gaxdeba!

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`petre caava opoziciis

xelisuflebasa da opozicias

Sorena marsagiSvili

Soris gamarTulma warumatebel-

599 92 16 22

ma molaparakebebma bevrs imedebi

gaucrua. samoqalaqo aqtivisti

oTar kvirikaSvili fiqrobs, rom yvelaferi ise unda

damTavrebuliyo, rogorc damTavrda. misi TqmiT, opozicias

xelisuflebasTan SeTanxmebaze xeli ar unda moewera. mas ar

esmis, ratom akisrebs molaparakebebis CaSlaze dasavleTi

opozicias iseTive pasuxismgeblobas, rogorsac umravlesobas?

kvirikaSvilis azriT, „qarTul ocnebas” daTmobaze wasvlas

mxolod xalxi aiZulebs. ambobs, rom xalxs umravleso-

bac moswyinda da opoziciac. misi TqmiT, Seqmnili viTareba

Zalian xelsayrelia giorgi gaxariasTvis.

ratom gaxda gaxaria misaRe-

bi figura? ra Secdomas uSvebs

opozicia da ras iTxovs xalxi

maTgan? ratom aris aucilebe-

li vadamdeli arCevnebi da vin

ewinaaRmdegeba amas? afasebs Tu

ara evropa saqarTveloSi arse-

bul viTarebas realurad? _

amis Sesaxeb oTar kvirikaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ oTar, molaparakebebis

CaSlaze dasavleTi Tanabrad

akisrebs pasuxismgeblobas um-

ravlesoba-opozicias. Tqveni

azriT, es visi bralia?

_ evroparlamenti saqarTvelosTan

mimarTebiT did Secdomas

uSvebs, roca erT sibrtyeSi ganixilavs

umravlesobasac da opoziciasac.

ar SeiZleba, orives

Tanabrad gadaunawilo pasuxismgebloba.

opozicias aRmatebul

WrilSi ar vuyureb, magram

Seqmnil viTarebaze pasuxismgebloba

srulad ekisreba xelisuflebas.

„qarTuli ocneba” realurad

dgas avtomatiT, opozicia

_ SiSveli xelebiT. erTaderTi,

rac SeiZleba Cvens opozicias

daswamo es aris uniaToba.

maT molaparakebebis CaSla ar

unda dabraldes. yvelafris miuxedavad,

am opoziciam saxis SenarCuneba

SeZlo.

_ raSi gamoixateba saxis Se-

narCuneba?

_ opozicia isev ar aRiarebs

gayalbebuli arCevnebis Sedegebs

da parlaments boikots ucxadebs.

asec unda iyos. arCevnebi

aris gayalbebuli. mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, ras ityvian „girCebi” da

aleko elisaSvili. arsebuli

saarCevno sistema veranair kritikas

ver uZlebs. imaze saubari,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” raRacaze

apirebda xelis moweras, ar

mjera. egre magaT 2019 wels srulad

proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis

pirobac dades da gadagvagdes.

es opoziciasac kargad

axsovs. amitomac aRar Cahyva

axla xelisuflebas mis TamaSSi.

_ arc im SemTxvevaSi unda

Cahyoloda, Tuki molaparakebe-

bi dasavleTis CarTulobiT

gaimarTeboda?

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, am molaparakebaSi

miSeli Caereoda

Tu danielsoni. opozicia sworad

moiqca, „ocnebas” rom ar

Cahyva.

_ Tu araferi unda daeTmoT,

ratom dajda opozicia mola-

parakebebis magidasTan?

_ opoziciam swori gadaw-

yvetileba miiRo, molaparakebebis

magidasTan rom dajda. uari

rom eTqvaT, amas xelisufleba

saTavisod gamoiyenebda. molaparakebaze

dajdoma swori gadawyvetileba

iyo, iseve rogorc

SeTanxmebis xelmoweraze uaris

Tqma.

ra SeTanxmebis miRwevazea

saubari, roca nika melia da giorgi

rurua cixeSi arian?! am

SeTanxmebiT ivaniSvili arc

arafers kargavda. movlenebs 31

oqtombris gadmosaxedidan SevxedoT.

ivaniSvili jer xom raRacaze

gevaWreba, mere tyved aiyvans

viRacebs da ukve imaTiT

gvevaWreba. bolos rac hqonda,

isic rCeba. plus am vaWrobiT

kidev damatebiT dividendebs

Rebulobs. opozicia am SeTanxmebiT

verafers igebda. erTader-

Ti gamarjveba SeiZleboda, melias

gamoSveba yofiliyo. an magaze

ratom midis saubari? es adamiani

isedac unda gamouSvan. an

saerTod ratom aris cixeSi? magram

xom giTxariT, ivaniSvils

tyveebiT vaWroba sCvevia. opozicia

rom parlamentSi Sesuliyo,

nikas aravin daiWerda.

opozicias SeTanxmebisTvis

rom moewera xeli, biZina ivaniSvils

moparuli arCevnebi xaxviviT

SerCeboda. am SemTxvevaSi,

opozicia sworad moiqca, rom ivaniSvilis

TamaSs ar ahyva. politpatimrebis

gamoSvebiT araferi

Seicvleboda. Tanac egeni

politpatimrebi ki ara, ivaniSvilis

tyveebi arian, romlebic

unda gamouSvan. vadamdeli arCevnebic

unda dainiSnos da dainiSneba

kidevac.

_ ratom unda dainiSnos vadamdeli

arCevnebi? amis aucileblobas

zogierTi evropar-

lamentaric ver xedavs.

_ imitom unda dainiSnos, rom

arCevnebi gayalbda. gayalbeba

rom arc yofiliyo da „ocnebas”

1000%-iT moego es arCevnebi,

mainc vadamdeli unda dainiSnos

da avxsni, ratomac: modiT, vTqvaT,

visi wyalobiT da reitingiT

aiRo „qarTulma ocnebam” xmebi

bolo arCevnebze. es biZina ivaniSvilisa

da giorgi gaxarias damsaxurebaa.

dRes arc gaxariaa „qarTul

ocnebaSi” da arc _ biZina

ivaniSvili.

_ gaxaria ki wavida „ocnebi-

dan”, magram biZina ivaniSvilis

wasvla saeWvoa. amis aravis

sjera.

_ oficialurad xom wavida

oTar kvirikaSvili:

`ra SeTanxmebis

miRwevazea saubari,

roca nika melia

da giorgi rurua

cixeSi arian?!~

ivaniSvili? is oficialurad aRar

ereva partiis saqmeebSi. am

ori adamianis wasvliT „qarTulma

ocnebam” legitimacia dakarga.

mmarTvel partias legitimacia

aRar aqvs. qveyanaSi gaqanebuli

ekonomikuri krizisia: CamoiSala

lari, qveyana defoltis

winaSe dgas. produqtebze yoveldRiurad

katastrofulad

izrdeba fasebi. kovidis garSemo

korufcia yvavis. Cavarda vaqcinacia.

yvela mimarTulebiT Cavardna

aqvs xelisuflebas. ar

mesmis, am krizisis fonze rogor

SeiZleba, normaluri adamiani vadamdelis

daniSvnaze ar fiqrobdes?

_ moaruli xmebiT, mmarTvel

partiaSi fiqroben vadamdelis

daniSvnaze da amitomac wavida

gaxaria gundidan.

_ viRacebi SeiZleba marTla

fiqroben vadamdel arCevnebze.

„ocnebaSi” ician, rom Cveni ekonomika

am kriziss veRar gauZlebs

da CamoiSleba. pasuxismgeblobis

mTeli tvirTi daawveba

„ocnebas”. maT es ar undaT da

cdiloben, opoziciasac ahkidon

pasuxismgebloba. vadamdel ar-

Cevnebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

daTanxmdeba kobaxiZe-mdinaraZis

jgufi. es marginalebi ara mgonia,

imaze fiqrobdnen, rom vinmes

gadaunawilon Zalaufleba.

_ risi gadamnawileblebi arian,

Zlivs Caigdes xelSi Zalau-

fleba.

_ normalur qveyanaSi amaT

soflis sakrebulos ar Caabarebda

kaci. axla qveyanas marTaven.

Zalaufleba dRes marginalebis

xelSia. Zlivs moeswrnen raRacas

da daTmobaze ar wavlen. yvelafers

gaakeTeben, rom saqme

xelaxal arCevnebamde ar mivides.

mosaxleobisgan wnexi sanam ar

`gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe, is saqmianobda

ruseTSi. iq aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. mis

biografias Tu gadavxedavT, vnaxavT, rom

karierulad Zalian swrafad dawinaurda.

ruseTSi aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da

SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs, rom mas

ruseTSi raRac sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,

moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad

amzadebdes. ra aqvs am adamians Cafiqrebuli,

es iqedan gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis xalxs

daiyenebs gverdiT~

iqneba, araferi gamova. evropis

wnexis imedi didad ar maqvs.

_ evropis wnexis imedi ratom

ar gaqvT?

_ gakeTebuli gancxadebebiT

Tu vimsjelebT, aSkaraa, rom

evroparlamentarebis nawili aq

arsebul viTarebas kargad ar

icnobs. vinc icnobs, isinic Tavs

ikavebs realobaze saubrisgan.

Tavs ikaveben imitom, rom xvdebian,

ra Secdomac dauSves

saqarTvelos xelisuflebasTan

mimarTebiT.

_ ra Secdoma dauSves?

_ eseni ase Tavis nebaze rom

miuSves, es iyo Zalian didi Secdoma.

_ zemoT gaxaria da ivaniSvilis

„ocnebidan” wasvla gaix-

seneT. Tqveni azriT, es ori

rame fokuss xom ar amzadebs?

2013 wels ivaniSvilma Tqva, rom

Tu „ocnebis” gezi ar moewone-

boda, Tavad Seqmnida opozicias.

_ ivaniSvilma Tavis bolo interviuSic

saintereso rame Tqva.

aRniSna, bednieri viqnebi, Tu

„ocneba” opoziciaSi gadava da

xelisuflebis saTaveSi profesionalebi

movleno. araferi

gamoricxuli ar aris, magram

ratomRac, mgonia, rom gaxaria

ufro damoukidebel TamaSs

TamaSobs, is ivaniSvilis proeqti

ar unda iyos.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom

damoukidebel TamaSs TamaSobs?

_ gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe,

is saqmianobda ruseTSi. iq

aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. magis

biografias Tu gadavxedavT,

vnaxavT, rom karierulad Zalian

swrafad dawinaurda. ruseTSi

aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da

SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs,

rom mas ruseTSi raRac

sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,

moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad

amzadebdes. ra aqvs am

adamians Cafiqrebuli, es iqedan

gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis

xalxs daiyenebs gverdiT. rac ar

unda vilaparakoT, faqtia, rom

dRes opozicia gamarginalebulia.

bevr maTgans mxrebze awevs

im cxra wlis simZime. zogs cxr-

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gamarginalebas uwyobs xels~

awliani codva ar awevs, magram

mainc araa gulwrfeli. Cvens sazogadoebas

SesaZloa, politikuri

ganaTleba aklia, magram

xalxi kargad xvdeba, rodis atyueb.

mosaxleobas siaxle unda.

gaxarias am viTarebaSi Sansebi

aqvs.

_ ratom unda hqondes gaxar-

ias Sansebi? arc axali saxea da

Tan ruseTumes iarliyi akeria.

_ ruseTumes rom eZaxian, aman

SeiZleba sawinaaRmdego efeqti

moitanos da gaxarias wisqvilze

daasxas wyali.

_ ranairad?

_ axla saqarTveloSi Zalian

mZime viTarebaa. mosaxleobas

ekonomikurad Zalian uWirs. adamianebis

didi nawili aRar

fiqrobs imaze, rom saqarTvelo

evroatlantikur aliansSi gawevriandes.

xalxi fiqrobs saku-

Tar kuWze. amiT Seuracxyofas

aravis viyeneb, magram realoba

aseTia. viRacebi xalxs eubnebian,

rom male evroatlantikur

aliansSi gavwevriandebiT. xalxs

ainteresebs, dRes ra unda Wamos.

Cveni sazogadoebis nawils

axsovs sabWoTa kavSiri. axsovs

isic, rom sabWoTa kavSiris dros

kargad cxovrobdnen, maSin aravis

Sioda. axla arian mSivrebi.

gaxariaze Tu daiwyeba saubari,

rom rusebis kacia, xelisuflebaSi

mis mosvlas raRac jgufebi

gaaprotesteben, mosaxleoba ki

yofil premiers dauWers mxars.

zustad ar vici, ra da rogor

iqneba, magram gaxaria Sedegs rom

dadebs, amaSi eWvi ar mepareba.

_ gaxaria raRac Sedegs rom

dadebs amis opoziciasac eSinia

da „ocnebasac”.

_ „ocnebaSi” gaxariasTan mimarTebiT

gaurkvevlobis momentic

aqvT. realurad ar ician, ruse-

Tis kacia, dasavleTis Tu ivaniSvilis.

masTan TanamSromlobis

survili iseTma adamianebmac gamoTqves,

rom aSkaraa, xelwamosakravi

gundi ar eyoleba. es adamiani

iyo jer ekonomikisa da Ss

ministri, Semdeg premieri. mTavrobaSi

misi muSaoba warmatebasTan

ar asocirdeba, aranairi garRveviT

ar dagvamaxsovra Tavi.

_ man Tvalebis daTxriT da

Tvalis CapaWunebiT dagvamaxs-

ovra Tavi.

_ am adamians kargad aqvs Seswavlili

xalxis ganwyobebi. flobs

oratorul xelovnebas da

amiT gadis fons, Torem misi mo-

Rvaweoba xelisuflebaSi warmatebasTan

ar asocirdeba. kobaxiZeebisa

da mdinaraZeebis fonze

Zalian kargad gamoiyureba.

_ kobaxiZis fonze giga bokeriac

ki simpaTiurad gamoiyureba

da gaxaria kargad rom Can-

des, ra gasakviria.

_ asea. imdeni qnes, xalxs giga

bokeria Seayvares. mTavrobaSi

warumatebeli moRvaweobis miuxedavad,

gaxarias perspeqtiva

aqvs. „ocnebis” amomrCevelsac

aRar unda „ocneba”. „ocneba”

aRar undaT, magram „nacebs” ver

miscemen xmas, amitom adgebian da

gaxariasken wavlen. yofil premierzec

bevri ram iqneba damokidebuli.

man raRac ganmartebebic

unda gaakeTos.

_ ra unda ganmartos?

_ pirvel rigSi, 20 ivnisTan

dakavSirebul kiTxvebs unda

gasces pasuxi. yvelam viciT, rom

ivaniSvilis nebarTvis gareSe

aqciis monawileebs tyviebs ar

dauSendnen. faqtia, rom srolis

dawyebaze brZanebis gacema gaxariam

aiRo sakuTar Tavze. Tu

marTla Tavis Tavze aiRo, unda

gviTxras, ratom moiqca ase? 20

ivnisze gakeTebuli gancxadebidan

gamoCndeba, daupirispirda

Tu ara realurad ivaniSvils da

ramdenad damoukidebeli figuraa

igi.

_ marto es ganmartebebi ar

iqneba sakmarisi. isic mniS-

vnelovania, Tu vis daiyenebs es

adamiani gverdiT.

_ es mTavaria. 21-e saukunea da

teqnologiebis epoqaa. investiciebia

mosazidi. axla xalxs

realurad sWirdeba saqmis

gamkeTebeli adamianebi da ara

araseriozulebi da giJebi. giga

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`petre caava da misi garemocva gamudmebiT lanZRaven saqarTvelos

patriarqs. opozicia unda cdilobdes, rom Sualeduri amomrCeveli

wamoiyvanos Tavisken. RmerTic rom ar swamdes da patriarqs ver itandes,

maT xmebze nadiroba da maTi gulis mogeba wminda wylis pragmatuli

gaTvlaa. am dros petresa da vigindarebs uTmoben eTers. dRe ar gava ise,

caava romelime opoziciuri televiziis eTerSi ar ijdes~

àxla xalxs realurad sWirdeba saqmis

gamkeTebeli adamianebi da ara

araseriozulebi da giJebi. giga bokeria

saqarTveloSi bevrs ar uyvars, magram is

realurad saqmis mkeTebeli personaa~

bokeria saqarTveloSi bevrs ar

uyvars, magram is realurad saqmis

mkeTebeli personaa. dRes

saqarTvelos profesionali kadrebis

saWiroeba udgas. im kategoriis

xalxis xelSi, ra xalxic

„ocnebas” parlamentSi hyavs,

Cveni ekonomika srulad CamoiSleba.

gaxariamac Tu iseTive

monebis Zebna daiwyo, rogorebic

axla xelisuflebaSi arian, qveyana

daingreva. liderze bevri

ramea damokidebuli, magram

imasac aqvs mniSvneloba, Tu vis

daiyenebs lideri gverdiT.

zemoTac vTqvi da axlac

gavimeoreb, rom opozicia gamarginalda.

es kvlevebidanac kargad

Cans. xalxs yvela mobezrda.

„ocneba” xom TvaliT ar daenaxvebaT,

magram opoziciis yoveld-

Riuri dRis wesrigic yelSi

amouvidaT. opoziciis mimarT

Casafrebulis poziciidan ar

var, minda, rom gaimarjvon, magram

ar iqcevian sworad. velodebi,

ai, dRes Semoitanen rame

mniSvnelovan Temas, ai xval, magram

siaxle ar Cans. erTsa da

imaves saubroben. ar vici, profesionalizmi

ar hyofniT, ver

xvdebian Tu ar surT siaxleebi.

am dros xalxis dakveTa aris

sul sxva. xelisuflebaSi ar arian,

magram dRis wesrigi unda

Secvalon. aravisTvis damaluli

araa, rom opozicia da opoziciuri

arxebi erTad gegmaven sainformacio

politikas. am fonze

CemTvis cota gaugebaria, ratom

sxedan eTerebSi sul iago xviCia

da vaxo megreliSvili? am adamianebis

gapiareba opoziciis mimarT

ufro met undoblobas aCens.

opoziciis mimarT undoblobas

aZlierebs petre caavas faqtoric.

_ petre caavas faqtori

rogor azianebs opozicias?

_ petre caava da misi garemocva

gamudmebiT lanZRaven

saqarTvelos patriarqs. mediamac

da opoziciamac Zalian kargad

ician, rom amomrCevelSi

ilia meore udidesi reitingiT

sargeblobs. im xalxSi, visac patriarqi

uyvars, Zalian bevria e.

w. gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli.

opozicia unda cdilobdes, rom

Sualeduri amomrCeveli wamoiyvanos

Tavisken. RmerTic rom ar

swamdes da patriarqs ver itandes,

maT xmebze nadiroba da maTi

gulis mogeba wminda wylis pragmatuli

gaTvlaa. am dros petresa

da vigindarebs uTmoben eTers.

dRe ar gava ise, caava romelime

opoziciuri televiziis

eTerSi ar ijdes.

_ opoziciuri arxebi raxan

arian, petre caavas eTeri ar

unda dauTmon?

_ dauTmon, magram ar SeiZleba,

gamudmebiT is laparakobdes.

rodemde unda gvasmeninon patriarqis

lanZRva? es adamianebze

Zalian cudad moqmedebs.

petre caavasTvis eTeris daTmoba

imitomac mikvirs, rom igi yovelTvis

specsamsaxurebis dakveTiT

moqmedebda. ase iyo „nacionalebis”

dros, ase aris axlac.

adre Tu miSas miTiTebebs asrulebda,

dRes imas akeTebs, rac

ivaniSvils unda. opoziciurma

mediamac kargad icis, Tu vis

dakveTas asrulebs petre caava.

amitom mikvirs misi aseTi doziT

gaSuqeba. am dros am adamians

yvelaze naklebad xelisuflebis

mexotbe „teleimedi” aSuqebs.

iseTi STabeWdileba rCeba,

TiTqos petre caava opoziciis

dakveTiT lanZRavs patriarqs.

opoziciis reitings esec seriozulad

urtyams. mrevli iciT,

ras fiqrobs, rom opozicia xelisuflebaSi

rom movides, patriarqs

dauwyebs devnas. arada,

realurad, ivaniSvilis dakveTiT

lanZRavs petre ilia meores.

_ am fonze kobaxiZe, RaribaSvili

da wulukiani sul pa-

triarqsa da eklesias gaiZaxian.

_ marto ar gaiZaxian, cdiloben,

sul patriarqis gverdiT

itrialon. arada, maTac mSvenivrad

ician, rom patriarqs

biZina ebrZvis. xalxSi iseTi gawyoba

iqmneba, rom eklesias ebrZvis

opozicia. arada, opoziciis

did nawils SeiZleba, petresTan

urTierTobac ki ar aqvs.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom ar

aqvT?

_ ase mgonia. gigi ugulavam

ramdenjerme galanZRa petre

caava da Tqva, rom did unamusobas

akeTebso. magram xalxi amas

ukve aRar uyurebs. xalxi xedavs,

rom petre opoziciur arxebze

zis da iqedan lanZRavs patriarqs.

opozicia bevr Secdomas

uSvebs da amitomac moxda misi

gamarginaleba. amis miuxedavad,

verafriT daveTanxmebi evropelebs,

rom opoziciam qveyanaSi

arsebul krizisze xelisuflebasTan

erTad unda aiRos pasuxismgebloba.

arsebul krizisze

pasuxismgebeli aris „qarTuli

ocneba”. „qarTuli ocneba” rac

SeiZleba male unda gavuSvaT xelisuflebidan.

maT iseT WaobSi

CaZires qveyana, SevardnaZes rom

ar gaukeTebia.

_ Tqveni saubridan gamomdinare

Tu vimsjelebT, am-

Rvreul wyalSi yvelaze kargad

Tevzis daWera gaxarias SeuZlia.

_ es damokidebuli iqneba

imaze, droSi ramdenad Caeteva.

swraf nabijebs Tu gadadgams,

Tevzs namdvilad daiWers. naTqvamia,

puri manamde unda Caakra,

sanam Tone cxeliao.

_ isic xom naTqvamia, moC-

qares mougviandeso.

_ gasagebia, magram droSi

unda Caetios. axla gaxariasTvis

marTla xelsayreli droa.

raRac Sedegis misaRwevad marto

misi faqtori sakmarisi ar iqneba.

didi mniSvneloba aqvs, vin

iqneba mis gverdiT. gaxaria mTel

„ocnebaSi” kargad gamoiyureboda,

magram isic gamaRizianebelia,

sazogadoebis nawilma is lamis

mesiad rom gamoacxada. wlebis

ganmavlobaSi mTavrobaSi umaRlesi

postebi ekava, magram warmatebisTvis

ar miuRwevia. amis

miuxedavad, me rom viyo premieri,

mas aucileblad Seviyvandi

mTavrobaSi, iseve rogorc

irakli alasanias.

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saqarTvelo ekonomikur kri-

nika arqania

zisSia. qveyanaSi Seqmnili politikuri

da pandemiuri procese-

bis fonze, qveynis ekonomika gausaZliss mdgomareobaSia,

gazrdilia dausaqmebel adamianTa ricxvi. monacemebi dRiTi

dRe izrdeba. pandemiis Sedegad yvelaze metad sacalo vaWro-

bis, mSeneblobis, transportisa da sarestorno sferoebSi

dasaqmebuli moqalaqeebi dazaraldnen.

ekonomikis eqspert paata bairaxtaris

azriT, dausaqmebelTa

ricxvi kidev ufro gaizrdeba:

„umuSevrobis done, romelic

istoriulad maRalia da 20.4%

Seadgens, kidev gaizrdeba da axali

lokdaunis SemTvevaSi umuSevrad

darCena, damatebiT 100 000-

150 000-mde adamians emuqreba”.

qveyanaSi ar arsebobs ekonomikuri

segmenti, romelic stabilurad

moqmedebs da balanss inarCunebs.

saqarTvelos sagaero vali 20

miliard dolars warmoadgens,

araoficialurad saqme gvaqvs defoltTan.

saxelmwifos mier

valebis momsaxurebis mzaoba ar

arsebobs. sxva verafriT aixsneba,

rom mTavrobam 12 aprils saerTa-

Soriso investorebisTvis gadasaxdeli

500 milioni aSS dolaris

mobilizaciis survili sul ramdenime

xnis win gamoamJRavna da sazogadoebas

amcno, rom apirebs

evrobondebis ganTavsebas. solidurobisa

da damajereblobisTvios

ki isic dasZina, rom SerCeul

iqna umaRlesi qulis mqone sami

yvelaze avtoritetuli saerTa-

Soriso sainvesticio banki: JP

Morgan, Goldman Sachs da ICBC.

erovnul ekonomikaze moCvenebiTi

zrunvis garda sxvas verafers davarqmevT

iqve gakeTebul gancxadebas,

romlis mixedviTac, adgilobrivi

bazris ganviTarebis xelSewyobisTvis,

mizanSewonilad

CaiTvala procesSi adgilobrivi

sainvesticio bankebis CarTva,

risTvisac Tanamonawilis statusiT

SeirCa _ Galt & Taggart da TBC

Capital. magram umZimes ekonomikur

krizisSi myof saqarTvelos Tavi

rom davaneboT, ar aris imis garantia,

rom ase daCqarebulad

gauCndebaT survili Tundac JP

Morgan-s, Goldman Sachs-sa da ICBCs

daugegmavi xarjebi gaswion.

magram aq mTavari saqarTvelos

xelisuflebis savaraudo Canafiqria,

anu gamosavali, romelic

mas realurad aqvs, xarjebi biujetidan

gamoyos. saubaria TiTqmis

1,8 miliard larze.

maTTvis, vinc ar icis _ pandemiiT

gamowveuli problemebis

dasaZlevad evrokavSirma dabalprocentiani

sesxi da metwilad

granti gamoyo, romelmac 5 miliardi

lari Seadgina. mTavarobam

2 miliardi ukve daxarja da savaraudod

darCenili Tanxidan

apirebs sesxis dafarvas. ramdenad

samarTliania es saqarTvelos gapartaxebuli

ekonomikisTvis, ma-

Sin rodesac am TanxiT pandemiiT

miyenebuli zianis Semsubuqeba uamravi

adamianisTvis gaxdeboda

SesaZlebeli?

ratom gaaxsenda xelisuflebas,

rom vali hqonda gadasaxdeli

mxolod gazafxulze da ratom

ar ganaTavsa evrobondebi

Tundac gasul wels? igive problemis

winaSe myofma ukrainam xom

es nabiji jer kidev gasuli wlis

zafxulSi gadadga?..

ramdeniT gaufasurdeba lari

am operaciis ganxorcielebisas?

biujetidan aRebuli 1,8 milardamde

lariT mTavrobam erovnuli

bankisgan ucxouri valuta

unda SeiZinos. calke sakiTxia,

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rom amis Sedegad 500 milioniT

Semcirdeba saqarTvelos erovnuli

bankis rezervebi, romelic

2012 wlis Semdeg arnaxulad ma-

Ralia da 4,2 miliard aSS dolars

Seadgens.

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis

yofili prezidenti roman go-

ciriZe miiCnevs, rom mTavrobas

obligaciebi xelaxla unda

gamoeSva da miRebuli fuliT

Zveli valebi gadaefara:

„procesi jer kidev SarSan

unda daewyo, sinamdvileSi ki sul

axlaxan gamoacxada konkursi am

obligaciebis bazarze gatanis

momsaxure bankebis SesarCevad.

aravin icis, rodis ganaTavsebs

obligaciebs mTavroba da saer-

Tod moeswreba wels Tu ara. amitom

erovnul banks ramdenime

dReSi 500 milioni dolariT Seumcirdeba

rezervebi da Zneli

saTqmelia, aRudgeba Tu ara

wels”, _ acxadebs gociriZe.

im pirobebSi, rodesac mxolod

am finansuri operaciis gamo Sesa-

Zloa, erovnuli valuta ramdenime

punqtiT Semcirdes, saqarTvelos

uamravi moqalaqe kidev ufro

gaRaribdeba.

erovnuli valuta ramdenime

Tvea, 3.4-ian niSnuls cdeba. erovnuli

bankis wertilovani politika

ki mdgomareobis Sesacvlelad

sruliad gamousadegaria,

piriqiT, seb-is midgoma, romelic

savaluto auqcionebze dolaris

gayidvas gulisxmobs, uaryofiTad

aisaxeba kursis cvlilebaze da

qmnis laris gaufasurebis mimdinare

tendencias, rogorc dolarTan,

ise evrosTan mimarTebiT.

eqspertis ganmartebiT seb-is

es politika sruliad Seusabamoa

dRevandeli ekonomikuri situaciis

fonze.

„procesis ganeitralebas centraluri

banki savaluto intervenciebiT

Seecdeba. Tumca, zemoT

naxsenebi scenaris SemTxvevaSi,

seb-i ver moaxerxebs bazarze balansis

SenarCunebas da arc gaaCnia

amis resursi. Tavis mxriv, es procesi

gamoiwvevs axal wnexs inflaciaze,

romelic nominaluri kursidan

iqneba wamosuli, rasac calsaxad

ver gaumklavdeba seb-is

erT-erTi mZlavri instrumenti,

refinansirebis ganakveTis saxiT.

miT ufro Tu gaviTvaliswinebT im

garemoebasac, rom seb-s miwodebis

Sokebis sawinaaRmdegod berketi,

praqtikulad, ar gaaCnia”, _ mi-

iCnevs paata bairaxtari.

mniSvnelovania gaviazroT saqarTvelos

mTavrobis moqmedebebic,

maTi fasaduri politika,

grZelvadiani logikuri gegmis

arqona da am yvelafriT gamowveuli

uaryofiTi Sedegebi. es midgoma

qveynis ekonomikas ufskrul-

Si gadaCexas uqadis.

ekonomikis eqsperti paata

bairaxtari savaraudo ekonomikur

saqarTvelos ekonomika

kolafsis zRvarze

prognozs akeTebs:

„mTliani Sida produqti (mSp),

dolarSi gamosaxuli, kidev ufro

Semcirdeba da is $4000-is farglebSi

iqneba _ daaxloebiT 2011

wlis doneze. am gamowvevebs xelisufleba

fiskaluri da socialuri

stimulebis paketebiT upasuxebs,

rac kidev ufro gazrdis

isedac did laris masas da wnexs

warmoqmnis erovnul valutaze,

ris Semdegac kursi mniSvnelovnad

gadaixreba da daiwyebs axali

wonasworobis niSnulis Zebnas”.

laris gaufasurebis fonze

qveyanaSi rekordulad aris Semcirebuli

eqsportisa da importis

raodenoba. qveyanas, faqtobrivad,

ar gaaCnia sagareo savaWro

urTierTobebi sxva qveynebTan.

eqspertebis ganmartebiT, saqme

gvaqvs ekonomikur vakuumTan, rac

niSnavs imas, rom qveyanaSi finansuri

procesebi TiTqmis gaCerebulia

da politikur/pandemiuri

procesebis daregulirebas elis.

magram am molodinis dros aucilebelia

yuradReba mivaqcioT

imas, rom ekonomika damoukidebeli

sferoa, marTalia, igi damokidebulia

qveyanaSi arsebul sxva

segmentebze, magram ekonomokuri

procesebi, politikas an pandemias

ver daelodeba, radgan ekonomikuri

ganviTarebis gaCereba qveynis

gaCerebas niSnavs.

ekonomikis eqspert ramaz ger-

lianis azriT, qveyanaSi ekonomikuri

procesebis amgvar gan-

viTarebas ramdenime mizezi aqvs,

maT Soris, erT-erTi saqarTve-

los erovnuli bankis uunaro

politikaa:

„erovnuli bankis politika ar

aris efeqturi. seb-i mudmivad iyenebs

auqcionze savaluto rezervis

gayidvis praqtikas, am process

efeqti ar gaaCnia, priqiT, is

berketi, romelic valutis gamyarebas

unda emsaxurebodes, laris

àr aris gamoricxuli, rom amerikis

SeerTebuli Statebidanac wamovides

garkveuli SeniSvnebi an sanqciebi. swored

amitom imeds vitoveb, rom gons moegebian

politikuri mxareebi saqarTveloSi~

gaufasurebas zrdis.

Semcirebulia sainvesticio nakadebi.

cudi viTarebaa rogorc

turizmis, aseve gzavnilebis nawilSic.

eqsportis gziT Semosuli

Tanxebi isedac arasdros hyofnida

erovnuli valutis dabalansebas

dolarTan mimarTebiT. swored

amitom aris mniSvnelovani

konvertirebuli valutis masis

gazrda”.

wvrili da saSualo biznesis

Semdeg yvelaze mZime mdgomareoba

turizmis seqtorSia. saqarTveloSi

turistuli nakadebis Semodineba

sruliad aris SeCerebuli.

ekonomika 2020 wels 6.1%-iT

Semcirda, yvelaze didi dartyma

swored turizmma miiRo, qveyana-

Si arsebuli ori lokdaunis Sedegad

saqarTvelos ekonomikam 2020

wels damatebiT 1 miliardi lari

dakarga. cnobilia isic, rom

saqarTvelos ekonomikas, turistuli

segmentis ararsebobis gamo,

yoveldRiurad 16 milion lari

akldeba.

ekonomikis eqspert giorgi ka-

panaZis mosazrebiT:

„Tu mosaxleobis vaqcinacia

moxdeba, SesaZlebeli iqneba qveynis

gaxsna turistebisTvisac. bizness

unda mieces amosunTqvisa

da muSaobis ganaxlebis saSualeba.

es procesi avtomaturad gamoiwvevs

ekonomikis daZvras. winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, udidesi sagareo

valisa da SezRuduli resursebis

qonis fonze, ekonomikuri

krizisidan gamosvla, faqtobrivad,

SeuZlebelia”.

Tu zogadad mainc gadavavlebT

ekonomikur procesebs Tvals,

martivad davinaxavT, rom qveyana

krizisSia, am dros gadamwyvetia

proaqtiuli ekonomikuri politika,

romelic investiciebis Semodinebis

process daZravs, magram

es yvelaferi, samwuxarod,

ar xdeba. erovnuli banki wertilovan

politikas aniWebs upiratesobas,

rac savaluto bazarze

dolaris gayidviT ekonomikuri

mdgomareobis dabalansebis uSedego

mcdelobaa.

2021 wlis 2 aprils evroparlamentma

gaavrcela gancxadeba,

romelic sagangaSo signalia qveynisTvis.

gancxadebis mixedviT,

politikuri SeuTanxmeblobis

mizeziT, axlo momavalSi savaraudoa,

qveyanas ekonomikuri sanqciebi

dauwesdes, Seumcirdes dafinanseba

da naklebad iqnas CarTuli

evropul safinanso politikaSi.

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

Cveni mTavari dasayrdeni axla

evropaa, maTi mxardaWeris dakargva

saqarTvelos ekonomikis kraxs

niSnavs. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu saqar-

Tvelos dafinanseba Seuwydeba, es

avtomaturad gamoiwvevs mTeli

rigi ekonomikuri profilis proeqtebis

SeCerebas, rac uaryofiTad

aisaxeba qveynis ekonomikis yvela

segmentze, maT Soris, eqsportze,

importze, soflis meurneobis

ganviTarebaze, valutis

cvlilebasa da sxv.

ekonomikis eqsperti giorgi

kapanaZe:

„evroparlamentis es gancxadeba,

amerikisTvis da yvela Cveni

mokavSire qveynisTvis iqneba uaryofiTi

signali. rodesac evrokav-

Siridan modis msgavsi gancxadebebi

da miT umetes ekonomikuri

sanqciebi, es mxolod da mxolod

uaryofiT gavlenas moaxdens

strategiul partniorebze da

Cvens imijs Selaxavs. ar aris gamoricxuli,

rom amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebidanac wamovides

garkveuli SeniSvnebi an sanqciebi.

swored amitom imeds vitoveb,

rom gons moegebian politikuri

mxareebi saqarTveloSi”.

am yvelafris fonze mniSvnelovania,

qveyanaSi politikuri

procesebi umokles droSi daregulirdes,

aucilebelia swori

politikis SemuSaveba. daxmareba

Tanabrad unda gaewios yvela seqtors.

sxvanairad problemis mogvareba

globaluri krizisis dros

SeuZlebelia.

aseTi krizisis pirobebSi romelime

seqtoris gamorCeva saxelmwifos

mxridan araswori damokidebulebaa.

rac Seexeba grZelvadian

ekonomikur politikas, aucilebelia

absoluturi konkurenciisa

da Tavisufali bazris waxaliseba,

sxvagvarad krizisis daZleva

an valutis simyaris Senar-

Cuneba, faqtobrivad, SeuZlebelia.

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samarTlis saqme sssk-is 151-e muxlis meore nawiliT, romelic

gulisxmobs arasrulwlovanze muqaras. xurcilavas mtki-

cebiT, is ar aris damnaSave da rogorc hyveba, samtrediis

raionulma prokurorma givi gocaZem speqtakli dadga.

Cvenebebis garda aranairi mtkicebuleba

ar aris Cem winaaRmdeg da,

realurad, prokuraturam dadga

speqtakli.

_ sad Cans, rom am yvelafris

miRma prokuratura dgas?

_ am SemTxvevaSi mTavari figuranti

aris prokurori givi gocaZe.

jer kidev 2019 wlis noember-

Si samtrediis raionul prokuraturaSi

iyo saqme Cemi baTumis

binis memkvidreobasTan dakavSirebiT.

medavebodnen, rom binis mesakuTres

motyuebiT movawerine

xeli da ase gadaviforme bina. es,

ra Tqma unda, sinamdviles ar See-


senebuli incidenti moxda, gamomZiebelma

mamuka dvaliSvilma qamadaZis

ojaxis wevrebi sakuTar

saxlSi dakiTxa, roca yvela janmrTeli

iyo da SeeZloT gadaadgileba,

me ki TiTis qneviT mibarebdnen

gamokiTxvaze, maSin roca

etliT mosargeble viyavi. garda

amisa, am saqmis msvlelobisas aravin

dainteresebula Cemi janmrTelobis

mdgomareobiT, eqimTan

gaerkviaT, realurad Camitarda

Tu ara operacia. praqtikulad, sami

Tve invalidis statusi mqonda

moniWebuli. arc ki gadaumowmebiaT

es informacia. garda amisa,

eqspertizas viTxovdi, ramdenad

realuri iyo is, rom etlSi mjdom

adamians esrola qvebi da saxuravi

gaetaxa. am incidentis dRes davureke

Cems das da vTxove, misuliyo

qamadaZis ojaxSi da gaerkvia,

ra undodaT maT Cemgan? rodesac

is mivida, aseT faqts Seeswro: maia

qamadaZe 88 wlis maro xurcilavas,

rom es ar aris misi xelmowera, me

warmovadgine notariusidan amoRebuli

dokumenti, 2019 wels kuTvnilebad

mergo da gadaviforme maros

dedis, anu bebiaCemis miwis nakveTi,

razedac mWirdeboda mamidaCemis

Tanxmoba. igi uproblemod

gamomyva da moawera xeli. am dokumentze

arsebul xelmoweraze

garkveviT uweria maro xurcilava,

anu aqedan dasturdeba, rom es

adamiani xurcilebaTi ar awers

xels. aseve man Cvenebis bolos ver

dawera is sityvebi: Cveneba dawerilia

Cemi karnaxiT, wavikiTxe, veTanxmebi,

xels vawer. anu is ugono

mdgomareobaSi iyo, roca Cveneba

misca. aseTi adamianis Cveneba figurirebs

saqmeSi. garda amisa,

rodesac gamomZiebels vkiTxe, ratom

ar dakiTxa Cemi da mowmis statusiT,

miTxra, rom ukve dakiTxuli

hyavda.

- Tumca saqmis masalebSi gamokiTxvis

oqmi ar iyo, razedac

rom bavSvs vemuqrebodi. miT

umetes, ar momxdara am diskis audio

identifikacia. warmoSobis

wyaro, Caweris TariRi ar aris

cnobili, aris Tu ara montaJi, _

am kiTxvebze gamoZiebas pasuxi ar

gaucia. metic: es diski zustad

Cems udanaSaulobas amtkicebs. arsad

ikveTeba, rom me mis arasrulwlovan

Svils mokvliT vemuqrebi,

ris gamoc aRZrulia sisxlis samarTlis

saqme. maT mouwevT sasamarTloze

am diskis mosmena.

_ samarTlebrivad saqme ra

etapzea?

_ giravnoba Semifardes, rom

mowmeebze zewola ar momexdina da

faqtebi ar gamenadgurebina, gocaZem

2000 lari moiTxova girao

da mosamarTle daviT svanaZem 1000

lari daamtkica, rac absoluturi

absurdia.

saqmis arsebiTi ganxilva jer ar

yofila, pirvel aprils CainiSna da

gadaido. givi gocaZes korona vi-

cira xurcilava: `maia qamadaZisTvis

prokurori oqros Tevzi aRmoCnda~

saqmis detalebze „qronika+~

cira xurcilavas esaubra:

_ Cems mezobel maia qamadaZesTan,

romelic samtrediaSi Cem

gverdiT cxovrobs, wlebia, usiamovneba

maqvs. gansakuTrebiT ki bolo

weliwad-naxevaria, mas Semdeg,

rac samtrediaSi gadmovedi sacxovreblad.

igi saxlSi mizianebda

sxvadasxva nivTs, maT Soris, avtomobils,

aseve maia qamadaZis mamamTili

mZarcvavda (wvrilmani qurdoba),

maSin, roca me saxlidan viyavi

gamosuli. policias araerTxel

mivmarTe, Tumca mpasuxobdnen,

rom qurdobis amsaxveli videomtkicebuleba

unda mqonoda, magram

es SeuZlebeli iyo, _ qurdoba xdeboda

maSin, roca meZina an saxlSi

ar viyavi. policias SevTavaze, ZaRli

moeyvanaT kvalis asaRebad,

razedac miTxres, rom samtrediis

policiaSi ar hyavT ZaRlebi. imdenad

Sewuxebuli viyavi mezoblis am

saqcieliT, rom policias vuTxari,

quTaisidan CamoeyvanaT ZaRlebi

da me davafinansebdi, Tumca amazedac

ar damTanxmdnen. 2020 wlis 11

ivniss velosipediT gadaadgilebis

dros fexi movitexe, Sesabamisad,

raRac periodi etliT gadavaadgildebodi.

pirvel ivliss,

roca ezoSi etliT vmoZraobdi,

maia qamadaZem nivTi (iatakis sawmendi

tilo, romelic gadakidebuli

mqonda) damiziana, razedac

Zalian gavRiziandi da vkiTxe, _

ratom ar manebebda Tavs?! amis Semdeg

qva aiRo da mesrola. am xmaze

Cemi Svili gamovida da etliT

gamiyvana, SeeSinda, rom qva ar momxvedroda.

swored am dRes qamadaZem

gamoiZaxa sapatrulo policia

da me, etlSi mjdom adamians damabrala

qvebis srola, aseve isic

Tqva, rom mis 9 wlis Svils vemuqrebodi

daniT mokvliT. misi

ojaxis wevrebs uweriaT CvenebaSi,

rom TiTqos maT vuTxari: „amaRam

me Tqven yels gamogWriT”. isini

kidev erT TariRs asaxeleben imis

gasamyareblad, rom me ase vimuqrebodi.

maTi TqmiT, 26 ivnissac

davimuqre. am dRes Cemi operaciidan

15 dRe iyo gasuli da saswrafo

wesiT unda amomeRo naoperaciebi

adgilidan nakerebi, Sesabamisad,

vimyofebodi saavadmyofoSi.

rogorc Cans, maT TariRi See-

SalaT. am saqmeSi ojaxis wevrebis

sabameboda, rac daadastura notariusmac.

gamomZiebelma sagamo-

Ziebo moqmedebebi Caatara, maT

Soris, davikiTxeT me da Cemi Svili.

bolos, gamomZiebelma Tqva: gadavxede

Tu ara am saqmes, maSinve

mivxvdi, rom es iyo samoqalaqo

tipis dava, magram prokurorma

saWirod miiCnia, rom mokvleva Cametarebina

da me es gavakeTe. am

saqmeze sisxlis samarTlis saqme

ar aRZrula. samoqalaqo wesiT

icodnen, rom ver moigebdnen, amitom

arc am kuTxiT gaugrZelebiaT

dava Cem winaaRmdeg. am saqmis

prokurori iyo givi gocaZe. Tavidan

mis mimarT eWvi ar gamCenia,

Tumca mas Semdeg, rac is meore

saqmeze (arasrulwlovanze muqara)

kvlav saqmis prokurori iyo da

mikerZoebulad moqmedebda, gamiCnda

gonivruli eWvi, rom es adamiani

principulad iyo dainteresebuli,

vinaidan pirveli Temidan

xelmocaruli darCa, am meore

saqmeze epova xelmosaWidi. pirveli

saqmidan 7 Tvis Tavze ki, rogorc

giTxariT, qamadaZis ojaxma

damabrala arasrulwlovanze muqara,

maT Cemi ganadgureba surdaT

da am SemTxvevaSi maTi da prokuroris

interesebi erTmaneTs daemTxva.

anu maia qamadaZisTvis

prokurori oqros Tevzi aRmoCnda.

arakeTilsindisierma da miker-

Zoebulma gamoZiebam amis safuZvliani

eWvi gamiCina.

_ riT dasturdeba prokuroris

zewola da mikerZoebulo-

ba?

_ prokurori migzavnida uwyebebs

da mibarebda dakiTxvebze

(arasrulwlovanze muqaris saqmeze),

rodesac me etlSi vijeqi. prokuraturaSi

mesame sarTulze unda

avsuliyavi, sadac etlisTvis adaptirebuli

garemo ar iyo. policiis

inspeqtors uwyebebi mohqonda,

is xedavda, rom etlSi vijeqi, miuxedavad

amisa, prokuraturaSi

iZulebiT miyvaniTa da daWeriT memuqreboda.

Cemi janmrTelobis

mdgomareoba ar iyo gaTvaliswinebuli,

ise keravdnen saqmes, TiTqos

janmrTelobis aranairi problema

ar mqonda. viTxovdi gamomZieblis

saxlSi mosvlas. bolos da

bolos, movida gamomZiebeli da

saxlSi gamomkiTxa. aseve 2020 wlis

pirvel ivniss, rodesac zemox-

Tavisi qmris bebias, gamomZieblis

Tvalwin, TiTis qneviT eubneboda,

_ Sen xom ici, rac unda Tqvao. im

momentSi gmomZiebels reagireba ar

hqonia. am faqtidan dasturdeba,

rom qamadaZis ojaxis wevri maro

xurcilava zewolis qveS daikiTxa.

im momentSi qamadaZis qmari kaxa gelaSvili

Cemi disken sacemrad iwevda

gamomZieblis Tvalwin, razedac

gamomZiebels reagireba ar

hqonia. roca Cemi da gelaSvils

Seepasuxa, gamomZiebelma uTxra:

„gaCumdi, muSaobaSi xels miSli,

Torem xelebze „naruCnikebs” dagadebo”.

rodesac aseTi faqtebi

xdeba, mikerZoebuloba ikveTeba.

qamadaZem icoda, rom am saqmeSi

prokurori mis interesebs daicavda,

Torem gamomZieblis winaSe mowmeze

zewolas ver ganaxorcielebda.

es qalbatoni, maro xurcilava,

Cemi mamidaa da qamadaZe Cem

winaaRmdeg iyenebs. aqve aRsaniSnavia,

rom maro xurcilavas sklerozi

aqvs, amis Sesaxeb jer kidev

2020 wlis TebervalSi misi Svilisgan

gavige. maro xurcilavam arc

icoda, realurad raze moawera

xeli gamokiTxvis oqmze. xelmoweraSi

maro xurcileba weria da

ara xurcilava. imis dasturad,

Tqva, rom maxsovda, darejan xurcilava

(Cemi da) dakiTxuli myavda,

Turme ar myoliao. ra Tqma

unda, gamomZiebels ar awyobs Cemi

dis dakiTxva, radgan, rogorc

giTxariT, Cemma dam naxa, rac moxda

qamadaZis saxlSi ojaxis wevrebis

gamokiTxvis dros. aseve bavSvi

dakiTxulia yovelgvari procesualobis

darRveviT, _ dakiTxvis

dros ar axlda: fsiqologi, socialuri

muSaki, advokati. mxolod

da mxolod, sando piri, bavSvis

naTlia eswreboda gamokiTxvas.

Sesabamisad, es gamokiTxvis oqmi

kanonis darRveviT iyo Sedgenili

da sasamarTloze misi dauSveblad

cnoba moviTxoveT, rac sasamarTlom

ar daakmayofila. aseve mowmeebis

nawilSi qamadaZis mamamTili,

Tengiz gelaSvili, incidentis

dasrulebis bolo wuTebSi movida

adgilze, Sesabamisad, misi, rogorc

mowmis Cveneba, ar aris relevanturi.

man Cveneba misi rZlis, qamadaZis

zewolis Sedegad misca,

iseve rogorc maro xurcilavamac

zewolis niadagze misca Cveneba.

saqmeSi aris aseve sidi diski, Ti-

Tqos e. w. dazaralebulma videoze

gadaiRo es scena. am videoze absoluturad

ar Cans, ar ikveTeba,

rusi aqvs. prokurorma, vinc mis

nacvlad iyo daniSnuli, gadadeba

moiTxova. garda amisa, Cemi mowmeebi

ar daamtkices, rac quTaisis

saapelacio sasamarTloSi gavasa-

Civre. 2 aprils saapelacio sasamarTlodan

miviReT pasuxi Cemi

mowmeebis sasamarTloze dasaSvebobis

Sesaxeb. gocaZesa da dvaliSvils

Cemi mowmeebis sasamarTloze

gamokiTxva ar awyobdaT da

Tavidan iSorebdnen, Tumca quTaisis

sasamarTlom dagvimtkica.

prokuroris mizani iyo, bavSvze

muqaraze gaekeTebinaT aqcenti,

radgan meore saqmidan ar gamomekveTa

sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulis

niSnebi, axla am saqmiT

surda, saprocesoebiT Tanxebi

Semetana. minda gocaZes mivmarTo,

rom aseT uniWo speqtaklebSi

fuls ar vixdi.

maia qamadaZis TqmiT, cira xurcilavas

mxridan misi Svilis misamarTiT

muqaris amsaxveli video-

Canaweri saqmis masalebSi devs:

„qvebs isroda cira xurcilava,

Cems Svils rom moxvedroda, sad

midioda?! garda amisa, is mokvliT

emuqreboda ara mxolod Cems

Svils, aramed yvelas misamarTiT

imuqreboda, _ gadmoval, dagklavT

da dagCexavTo. es aris muqara. Cven

gvaqvs mtkicebuleba, rogor imuqreba

cira xurcilava. es aris videoCanaweri”.

„qronika+~

daukavSirda

prokuror givi gocaZes, romel-

sac cira xurcilava mikerZoebul

gamoZiebaSi adanaSaulebs:

„cira xurcilavas saqmeze gamo-

Zieba obieqturad Catarda. saqme

sasamarTloSic warimarTa da winasasamarTlo

sxdomac gaimarTa.

sasamarTlom srulad dasaSvebad

miiCnia Cven mier warmodgenili mtkicebulebebi,

anu kanonis moTxovnaTa

dacviT iyo mopovebuli. Sesabamisad,

rame mikerZoebaze saubari

zedmetia. cira x-rcilava am

SemTxvevaSi braldebulia da Sesa-

Zlebelia, subieqturicaa. danarCeni

sasamarTloze gairkveva, daikiTxebian

mowmeebi, gamoikvleva

sxva mtkicebulebebi da amis Semdeg

miiRebs sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebas,

aris Tu ara damnaSave

cira xurcilava”.

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qarTul serial „Teseas~ tele-

giorgi sakaruli

sivrceSi gamoCenam mayureblis

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didi mowoneba daimsaxura. vaJiko

erT-erTi mTavari personaJia,

romelic sazogadoebrivi wnexidan, stereotipebidan da stre-

suli cxovrebidan gamomdinare, cdilobs, dedas SeuzRudos

piradi sivrce, rasac agresiiT gamoxatavs. vaJikos gancdebi

daTa CaCuasTvis martivad gasagebi aRmoCnda. metic, iyo pe-

riodi, roca mis msgavsad Tavad iqceoda.

Teatris siyvaruls bavSvobidanve eziara. rogorc daTa ambobs,

amaSi didi roli mis Zmas, msaxiob giorgi CaCuas mi-

uZRvis. umcros Zmas igi xSirad aZlevs profesiul rCevebs da

isic iTvaliswinebs mas.

„qronika+~-s

axalgazrda

msaxiobi Tavisi cxovrebis,

rolisa da sxva saintereso sa-

kiTxebis Sesaxeb esaubra:

_ daTa, gamomdinare iqidan,

rom ekranebze sul axla

gamoCndi, mayureblis siyvaru-

li Zalian male moipove.

mogviyevi Sen Sesaxeb. vin aris

daTa CaCua?

_ daTa CaCua aris 17 wlis,

meTerTmete klasis moswavle

da msaxiobis profesiis didi

moyvaruli. Zmac msaxiobi myavs,

Teatraluri aqvs damTavrebuli,

Wolas jgufi. pirvelad

swored Cemma Zmam damayena

„aTonelis Teatris” scenaze, es

iyo 10 wlis winaT... swored aqedan

gamiCnda msaxiobobis survili.

iyo periodi, roca ubralod

gataceba megona da movdundi,

magram, sabolood, mainc

davubrundi am saqmianobas, ra-

Sic didi roli iTamaSa Cemma

Zmam. xSirad davdiodiT Teatr-

Si erTad da Zalian Semayvara

Teatri.

_ pirveli roli yovelTvis

dasamaxsovrebelia. romel spe-

qtaklSi Sedga Seni debiuti?

_ es iyo nikuSa CikvaiZis speqtakli

„kaba da cotne”, romel-

Sic erT-erT mTavar personaJ

cotnes bavSvobas vTamaSobdi.

maSin araferi vicodi, 7 wlis

viyavi. ubralod, msiamovnebda

yvelaferi. amis Semdeg, 7-dan 9

wlamde, ramdenime speqtaklSi

vmonawileobdi. Semdeg Tavi davanebe

TamaSs, magram sul msaxiobebisa

da reJisorebis garemocvaSi

viyavi. speqtaklebze

davdiodiT erTad da, zogadad,

Teatrzec bevrs vsaubrobdiT,

amitom Cemdauneburad sul

mqonda am sferosTan Sexeba.

sabolood ki gadavwyvite, samsaxioboze

Cavabaro, radgan minda,

am profesias gavyve.

_ rogori iyo Seni pirveli

emocia scenaze, mas Semdeg, rac

scenis mtveri Caylape?

_ amis gasaazreblad Zalian

patara viyavi. ubralod, imas

vakeTebdi, rasac meubnebodnen,

pasuxismgeblobebic ki ar mqonda.

ezoSi TamaSs scenaze Tama-

Si merCivna, verTobodi, Tumca

paralelurad axal raRacebs

vswavlobdi da axal adamianebsac

vxvdebodi.

_ Seni Zma am mxriv sakmaod

gamocdili, kompetenturi da

profesionali msaxiobia. ras

geubneba, roca Sens Sesrule-

bas uyurebs?

_ samarTlianad makritikeben

Cemi Zmac da misi megobrebic.

vcdilob, gaviTvaliswino maTi

rCevebi. es yvelaferi msiamovnebs.

xolo roca kargad vakeTeb

rols, meubneba, rom moewona.

_ daTa, riT mogxibla msax-

iobobam ise, rom gadawyvite,

profesiad aqcio igi? ra iyo

is, ramac mtkiced gadagawyvet-

ina, rom msaxiobi gaxde?

_ 2019 wlis zafxulSi Cems

megobar tasunas davexmare sakurso

speqtaklSi, gavaerTianeT

brextis sami piesa: „ebraeli qali”,

„carcis jvari” da „jaSu-

Si”. „jaSuSSi” mec vTamaSobdi.

gadavwyvite, rom gamecocxlebina

personaJi, romlis rolsac

vasaxierebdi. vxedavdi mas, rogorc

cocxals da masTan vsaubrobdi,

Canawerebs vakeTebdi,

mis mdgomareobaSi Sevdiodi.

vcdilobdi megrZno is, rasac

igi grZnobda nacistur germaniaSi,

mis ganvlil gzas vafasebdi

da viTavisebdi. swored es

aRmoCnda Zalian magari raRac

_ personaJis emociebSi Sesvla,

misi bolomde gaazreba, gardasaxva.

vaJikos rolSic swored es

iyo: mama gardacvlili hyavs,

Seyvarebuls uTxoveben, dedas

ori welia, viRac yvavilebs udebs

karTan da is iZiebs, vin aris.

mokled, stresSia da roca

mis mdgomareobaSi Sedixar, ra-

Rac mets iReb, axal emociebsa

da gancdebs SeigrZnob, es ki

Zalian saintereso da magaria.

_ e. i. sxva adamianis tyavSi

Sesvla iolad SegiZlia. zogadad,

cxovrebaSi ramdenad mar-

tivad irgeb niRabs, ramdenad

uTavseb mas daTas realobas?

_ realur cxovrebaSi var

daTa, romelic akeTebs imas,

rasac manamde akeTebda. arc

erTi rolis Sesrulebis Semdeg

ar gamCenia Secvlis survili.

cxovrebaSi TamaSi iSviaTad miwevs

da, Tu miwevs, isic Zalian

wvrilman sakiTxebze.

_ serials rom davubrun-

deT, „TeseaSi” rogor moxvdi?

_ 2019 wels speqtaklSi Tama-

Sisas Cemi da Cemi Zmis axlobelma

giga gogiCaZem mnaxa. roca

„Teseas” qasTingi gamocxadda,

araferi vicodi, magram gigam

maT Cemi varianti SesTavaza.

amis Semdeg damibares qasTingze

vaJikos rolze. wavikiTxe

scenari, viswavle, mivedi da iq

daTa CaCua:

`joni depTan

erTad TamaSze

vocnebob~

`Zalian bevri lokacia gamoviyeneT.

giorgis saxli foTSi iyo gadaRebuli,

vaJikosi - rusTavSi, narminesi - SindisSi,

vaJikos bebiis - tabaxmelaSi, eklesia -

walkaSi, biblioTeka - rusTavSi, Teatris

eqsterieris gareTa nawili - gorSi,

SigniTa - Tbilisis `profkavSirebSi~.

sxvadasxva adgilas davdiodiT da erT

mTlian siuJets vakeTebdiT. pirvel

sezonSi narmines dakargvis scenebi

beTaniis tyeSia gadaRebuli, meore

sezonSi ki repeticiebi iyo kojrisa da

urbeTis tyeebSi~

damxvda eka mJavanaZe. normalurad

gaviare pirveli turi. er-

Ti kviris Semdeg meore turzec

damibares. Zalian mindoda, roli

mimeRo da mondomebuli viyavi.

mand vaJiko cota sxva ampluaSi

unda warmedgina, movamzade

yvelaferi da sakmaod

karg formaSi mivedi. Cems Zmasac

vkiTxe rCevebi. Sedegad ki

meore turi pirvelze ukeT gaviareT.

bolos, ekam damireka

megobarTan yofnisas da miTxra:

rolze dagamtkiceTo. simarTle

giTxraT, amis Semdeg araferi

maxsovs, SokSi viyavi, fexis

zomac ki damaviwyda da araswori

informacia miveci. noembris

dasawyisSi daiwyo gada-

Rebebi.

_ Sens personaJze ras ityvi:

ramdenad aris msgavseba real-

ur daTasa da vaJikos Soris?

_ vaJikos rolis Sesruleba

CemTvis Zalian sainteresoa, radgan

sruliad gansxvavdeba da-

Tasgan. vaJiko zedmetad eWviania,

me _ saerTod ara. erTi

iyo is, rom dedaze veWvianobdi

xolme bavSvobaSi, rac ojaxurma

mdgomareobam gamoiwvia. ama-

Si ki vgavarT erTmaneTs _ deda

orivesTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,

orives marto deda

gvyavs. magram me es gadavlaxe,

gadamiara. garda amisa, vaJiko

Zalian buzRuna da wuwunaa, me

ki iSviaTad vwuwuneb.

_ vaJikos msgavsad rodesme

Careulxar dedaSenis cxovre-

baSi?

_ ise ara, rogorc vaJiko,

magram adre bevrjer, _ roca

telefonze Setyobineba mosdioda,

usiamovnod viyavi da

vekiTxebodi, vin iyo. axla,

roca gavizarde, dedaCemis bedniereba

pirvel adgilze gadmovitane.

mTavaria, is iyos bednieri.

_ Sen ras etyvi vaJikos da

mis msgavss biWebs?

_ vetyvi, rom ifiqron yvelaferze.

gulis siRrmeSi mixvdebiT,

rom mTavaria, deda

bednieri iyos, mas piradi cxovrebac

sWirdeba, mxolod kargi

niSani ar moqmedebs. yvela

deda da nebismieri adamiani imsaxurebs

bednierebas, tyuilad

nurc Tavs daiRliT da nurc

sxvas daRliT.

_ daTa, rogorc ki ekranebze

„Tesea” gamoCnda, mayure-

belma igi gansakuTrebulad

Seiyvara. rogor fiqrob, ratom?

riT gamoirCeva da gansxvavdeba

es seriali sxva seri-

alebisgan?

_ pirvel rigSi imiT, rom

„vefxistyaosanzea”. amis irgvliv

bevri ram ar gakeTebula. me

siuJetma Zalian damainteresa,

„vefxistyaosanze” miuzikli marTlac

sainteresoa. garda amisa,

roca am azrs xalxisgan xvdeba

winaaRmdegoba, „muRamSi”

SevdivarT. aRsaniSnavia isic,

rom Sesrulebac da gadaRebac

sakmaod maRal donezea _ sxva

xarisxia, profesionalTa gundi

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ganviTareba ufro sainteresoa~

muSaobs, TviTon siuJetia aqtualuri,

problemuri sakiTxebia

win wamoweuli da vfiqrob,

mayurebelmac swored amitom

Seiyvara es seriali.

_ serialSi profesional

msaxiobebTan giwevs TamaSi. ras

niSnavs es SenTvis? albaT,

gamocdilebis mxriv bevri ram

SegZina, asea?

_ pirvel rigSi, maTTan Tama-

Si didi pativia. ra Tqma unda,

maTTan TamaSi didi gamocdilebaa

CemTvis. roca vuyureb, ras

rogor TamaSoben, vcdilob,

maTgan viswavlo. CemTvis maTi

naxva yoveldRe Zalian kargi

iyo, sul axals vswavlobdi.

miuxedavad imisa, rom tyeSic

gviwevda gadaReba, yoveli samuSao

dRis Semdeg mouTmenlad

velodi momdevno dRes, rom

maTTan erTad vyofiliyavi.

viRlebodi, Tumca maTTan

muSaoba amas maviwyebda.

_ am yvelafris sulis Camdgmeli

reJisori giorgi lifonavaa.

ras geubneba igi, gaq-

ebs?

_ zogadad, CemTvis piradad

araferi uTqvams, magram gavige,

pirvel dRes karg raRacas ambobda

Cemze damdgmel mxatvarTan

da Zalian gamixarda. me

bolomde davixarje da mindoda,

ufro gameumjobesebina Cemi

Sesruleba, rom kidev eTqva

msgavsi ram. kargia, roca raRacas

akeTeb da reJisors es moswons.

_ TeatrSi patara gamocdi-

leba gaqvs, axla ukve kinoSic

da win kidev bevri warmatebu-

li etapi gelodeba, magram am

gadmosaxedidan romeli ufro

sainteresoa SenTvis, _ kino

Tu Teatri?

_ orive, ubralod, TeatrSi

yvelaferi cocxalia. iq xalxia,

meti Tavisuflebaa, serialsa

da ekranze egeTi raRacebi _

naklebad. aq yvelaferi metad

xelovnuria _ montaJi da a. S.

vfiqrob, kino sainteresoa, magram

me Teatri metad mizidavs,

miyvars da mainteresebs.

_ erTma personaJma, vaJikom,

saocari popularoba mogitana,

ra emocias aRZravs SenSi es

yovelive?

_ im adamianebis saxeebis nax-

`bolos, ekam damireka megobarTan yofnisas da miTxra: rolze

dagamtkiceTo. simarTle giTxraT, amis Semdeg araferi maxsovs, SokSi viyavi,

fexis zomac ki damaviwyda da araswori informacia miveci~

va, romlebic quCaSi giyureben

an fotos gadaReba surT an

gexutebian, Zalian sasiamovnoa.

uaryofiTsac amboben, Tumca

maTgan imden siTbos grZnob,

rom negativs faravs.

_ Tayvanismcemlebis ricxv-

ma moimata? Seyvarebuli gyavs?

_ amJamad ara. vfiqrob, verc

meyoleba, grafikidan gamomdinare.

TeatrSi Cavdivar xolme.

garda amisa, gadaRebis procesi

imdenad momewona, setze mu-

Saoba movindome, Cems megobar

daviT rcxilaZes davyvebi gadacemebze.

mxatvrebis departamentSi

dekoraciebSi vexmarebi

mxatvrebs da a. S. amitom vfiqrob,

ver mivaqcev Seyvarebuls

am etapze saWiro yuradRebas.

_ skolaSi Tanaklaselebi

ras geubnebian, moswonT Seni

Sesrulebuli

rolebi?

rogorc vici, skolis direqciam

Zalian xeli Segiwyo ga-

daRebebis procesis dros.

_ diax, Zalian Semiwyo xeli

skolam gadaRebebis procesSi.

sul gadasaReb moedanze viyavi,

skolaSi ki SeZlebisdagvarad

arebs ar miwerdnen. mec vcdilobdi,

rogorc ki movaxerxebdi,

mivsuliyavi. serialis gamosvlis

Semdeg maswavleblebic

da klaselebic mwerdnen, rom

moewonaT Cemi Sesruleba. Zalian

gamixarda, roca davanaxe

maT Cemi Sroma da is, rom tyuilad

ar vacdendi saswavlo

process.

_ „Tesea” gagrZeldeba?..

_ samwuxarod, ara. bolo seriaSi

daidga miuzikli, narminec

ar gaaTxova vaJikom da dedac

gauSva giorgisTan. Zalian

gamixardeboda mec da mayurebelsac,

rom gagrZelebuliyo,

magram ar grZeldeba.

_ axali SemoTavazebebi

gaqvs?

_ „Teseas” mere iyo avTandil

sofromaZis moklemetraJiani

sadebiuto filmi „kata”. saitebze

devs: „iuTubzec”, „aWaraneTzec”

da sxvebzec. rogorc

aRvniSne, filmi moklemetra-

Jiania, 90-ianebis situacias asaxavs.

amis garda, arsad mimiRia

monawileoba, Tumca gadaRebebze

davdivar, maT Soris, „Cemi

colis daqalebSic”.

_ daTa, yvelas aintereseb-

da, sad iyo is sofeli, sadac

„Teseas” iRebdnen. am kiTxvas

imitom vsvam, rom socialur

qselSi Zalian bevri werda amis

Sesaxeb.

_ Zalian bevri lokacia gamoviyeneT.

giorgis saxli foT-

Si iyo gadaRebuli, vaJikosi _

rusTavSi, narminesi _ SindisSi,

vaJikos bebiis _ tabaxmelaSi,

eklesia _ walkaSi, biblioTeka

_ rusTavSi, Teatris eqsterieris

gareTa nawili _ gorSi,

SigniTa _ Tbilisis „profkav-

SirebSi”. sxvadasxva adgilas

davdiodiT da erT mTlian siuJets

vakeTebdiT. pirvel sezonSi

narmines dakargvis scenebi

beTaniis tyeSia gadaRebuli,

meore sezonSi ki repeticiebi

iyo kojrisa da urbeTis tyeeb-

Si.

_ ra sainteresoa. am dros

yvelas egona, rom erT sofel-

Si mimdinareobda gadaRebebi.

rogorc zemoT aRvniSne, am serialSi

Zalian bevri profe-

sionali msaxiobi TamaSobs. Sen

Tu gyavs sayvareli msaxiobi an

reJisori, visTanac siamovne-

biT iTamaSebdi? marTalia, si-

tyva „ocnebam” fasi dakarga,

magram saocnebo msaxiobi Tu

gyavs?

_ amaze ar mifiqria, Tumca

CemTvis ocneba joni depTan

erTad TamaSia, aseve zurab yifSiZesTan

siamovnebiT viTamaSebdi.

_ bevrs uTqvams, rom joni

deps hgavxaro?

_ sxvaTa Soris, erTxel mimamsgavses

joni deps. fotosesiisas

sigareti meWira, ulva-

Sic mqonda da aRmoCnda, rom

zustad egeTi foto aqvs joni

depsac. mas ar vbaZav, Tumca

aqsesuarebi orives gviyvars.

_ gatyob, aqsesuarebi Zalian

gyvarebia, ori sayure, be-

Wdebi, samajurebi... rogor

xvdebian quCaSi Sens imijs?

_ arasodes hqoniaT cudi

reaqcia sayuris gamo. seqtemberSi

gavikeTe pirvelad da

araviTari cudi replika ar yofila.

piriqiT, gixdebao, ase mi-

Txres meorezec. Tumca adre,

sanam gavixvretdi, „feiq sayure”

mekeTa da erTma kacma damiwyo

saubari imaze, rom mamakacs

ar Seefereba da a. S.

_ bevri problema arsebobs

mozardebSi. ras gamoyof gansakuTrebiT

da ras etyvi Tana-

tolebs?

_ vfiqrob, axalgazrdebSi is

problemaa, rom sanam Seicnoben

raRacas an viRacas, iqamde ba-

Zaven mas. aseve meore kategoriaa

adamianebi, romlebic qu-

CaSi dganan. me problema ar

mqonia maTTan, magram gamixardeba,

Tu wina planze swavlas

gadmoitanen da garCevebs Tavs

daanebeben. adre zogjer mec

videqi quCaSi, magram gavida

dro da mivxvdi, rom ganviTareba,

gamocdileba da axali emociebi

Zalian kargia cxovreba-

Si. es yvelaferi ki bevrjer

Segxvdeba, Tu mizans daisaxav

da win waxval. vfiqrob, Cemi

profesia momcems amis saSualebas,

sul swavlasa da ganviTarebaSi

viqnebi. aseTi cxovreba

ufro feradi, sainteresoa.

mokled rom vTqva, aqeT ufro

feradia, vidre iqiT.

_ warmatebas gisurveb.

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mouqneli kvara

evropul fexburTSi sanakrebo kvira gaxldaT da cxadia,

am Temas verc Cven avuvliT gverds, miT umetes, rom saqarTvelo

SvedeTisa da saberZneTis garda, msoflios erT-erT saukeTeso

espaneTis nakrebs maspinZlobda da sul bolo wuTs

miRebuli goliT damarcxda.

gTavazobT saqarTvelosa da espaneTis nakrebebis SesarCevi

Sexvedris mimoxilvis fragments. es mimoxilva espanur gazeT

AS-s ekuTvnis da Cven misi is monakveTi gadmovaqarTuleT,

romelic saqarTvelos nakrebs exeba:

„pirveli usiamovneba dasawyisSive me-6 wuTze moxda, rodesac

diego lorentem yviTeli baraTi miiRo. kvaracxeliasTan

erTi erTze darCenilma metoqis gasaCereblad blokirebis

xerxs mimarTa. kldesaviT idga kankava, romelsac saqarTvelos

gundi eyrdnoba. amjerad, mas mewyviled gvilia hyavda

da isini warmoadgendnen or burjs, romlebzec awyobili gundic

ar unda daSliliyo. gvilia, kakabaZe, kiteiSvili da zivzivaZe

iyvnen saniolis axali saxeebi, romlebsac SvedeTSi mwvrTnelis

debiutis dRes, sastarto SemadgenlobaSi ar uTamaSiaT.

male kvaracxeliam kidev erT metoqes miaRebina yviTeli

baraTi. amjerad es gaxldaT poro. mimdinareobda Sexvedris

sul raRac me-12 wuTi da yazanis „rubinis“ margalits Tavisi

sityva ukve naTqvami hqonda. magram spoilerisTvis bodiSi da

erTi xnis Semdeg uaresi moxda. Tumca, manamde, daaxloebiT

15 aTasma gulSematkivarma naxa, rogor moigeria simonma kaSias

Tavuri, romelic man kuTxuridan Cawodebul burTs daartya.

...Semdeg qarTvelebma ganaxorcieles kontrSeteva da

kvaracxeliam goli gaitana. man iolad Seasrula is, rasac

manamde moednis meore boloSi misi metoqeebi wvalebiT cdilobdnen.

miiRo sajarimos misadgomebTan, marjveniT gaiswora

da marcxeniT daartya. aq simoni verafers gaxdeboda.

kvaracxeliam mouqneloba erTaderTxel gamoamJRavna,

rodesac goli iseTi mondomebiT izeima, rom kameras daejaxa,

romelic misi msxvili planiT gadaRebas cdilobda“.

arnaxuli kontraqtis molodinSi

mas Semdeg, rac „manCester sitis” serxio aguerom ofi-

cialurad ganacxada, am sezonis damTavrebis Semdeg gunds

davtovebo, „qalaqelebma” myis daiwyes Semtevis Zabna da

maTi yuradReba 20 wlis norvegiel erling holandze Se-

Cerda, romelic amJamad dortmundis „borusiis” fex-

burTelia.

saqme asea: Tu holandis gadabirebas Seecdebian, „qalaqelebs”

300 milioni girvanqis gadaxda da fexburTelisTvis

jamagirad kviraSi 600 aTasi girvanqis micema mou-

wevT. amdens iTxovs holandis agenti mino raiola.

20 wlis norvegiels, romlis satransfero Rirebuleba

150 milioni girvanqaa, surs premierligaSi yvelaze ma-

RalanazRaurebadi moTamaSe gaxdes. visi xrikebia es, Zne-

li misaxvedri ar aris. cxadia, raiolasi, romelic msuye

honorarebs iRebs aseTi garigebebidan. mas adre pep gvardiolasTan

konfliqtic mosvlia, roca katalonieli „barselonas”

Tavkacobda. Cxubi zlatan ibrahimoviCis gamo mo-

mxdara, magram gvardiolas Turme ise unda holandis Tavis

gundSi xilva, rom mzadaa, yvelaferi daiviwyos da raiolas

daelaparakos. imaves ambobs agentic: is ganxeTqileb-

is wigni didi xania, davxureo.

anu holands fantastikur kontraqts sTavazoben - 156

milioni girvanqa xuT weliwadSi...

sxva klubi, romelsac aseTi Tanxis gadaxda SeuZlia,

„pari sen-Jermenia”. Tumca „siti” Tavisas ar iSlis.

gvardiolas Zalian undoda „totenhemis” kapitnis, hari

keinis gadabireba, magram Crdilolondonidan agrZnobines,

rom yvelanairi meTodebiT Seecdebian keinis Senar-

Cunebas.

SegaxsenebT, rom „dortmundma” holandi 2019 wlis

dekemberSi 20 milion evrod iyida da oTx-naxevarwliani

kontraqti gauforma.

ise, holandisTvis inglisi ucxo ar aris. sulac lids-

Sia dabadebuli 2000 wlis 21 ivliss da cxovrebis pirve-

li wlebi iq gautarebia. mamamisi, norvegiis nakrebis aseve

cnobili fexburTeli, alf-inge holandi, maSin lidsis

Rirsebas icavda.

evropis Cempionati gasul zafxuls unda

gamarTuliyo, magram pandemiis gamo

2021 wlisTvis gadaido. axla ki evropulma

mediam gaavrcela informacia, TiTqos

momaval evropirvelobas 12 qalaqis nacvlad

ori umaspinZlebs londoni da sanktpeterburgi.

turniri 2021 wlis 11 ivnisidan 11 ivlisamde

periodSi gaimarTeba da pirvelobisTvis

24 nakrebi ibrZolebs. Tavdapirveli

gadawyvetilebiT evropis Cempionatis

Catareba igegmeboda: amsterdamSi

(niderlandebi), baqoSi (azerbaijani), bilbaoSi

(espaneTi), buqarestSi (rumineTi),

budapeStSi (ungreTi), kopenhagenSi (dania),

dublinSi (irlandia), glazgoSi (Sotlandia),

londonSi (inglisi), miunxenSi (germania),

romsa (italia) da sankt-peterburg-

Si (ruseTi).

vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba. saboloo

gadawyvetileba uefam 7 aprils unda miiRos

da gamoacxados, sad gaimarTeba evropis

Cempionati. erTi ki naRdia, _ matCebi

savse tribunebiT Catardeba. uefas prezidenti

aleksandr Ceferini maspinZel qveynebs

saamiso garantiebs mosTxovs.

evropa mcirdeba

kvaracxeliam berZnul

totalizatorSi qarTvels moagebina

es, saberZneTSi mcxovrebi Cveneburis

bileTi gaxlavT, romelic erT-erT adgilobriv

totalizatorSi gaakeTa. gaumarTla

mas da gaumarTla xviCa kvaracxeliam,

vinc berZnebs angariSi lamazi goliT

gauTanabra. erTxelac, burTianad berZeni

fexburTelebi ise gaabiTura, isic

da gundic, alalad, meoresac imsaxurebda.

rac Seexeba mamukas bileTs, man 25 evro

swored xviCa kvaracxelias golze dado

da 281 evro moigo. propagandad ar miiRoT,

Tumca mogebuli ambobs, megobars xvi-

Cas golebze xSirad mougia, espaneTTanac

gaumarTla da xSirad, ruseTis Cempionat-

Si xviCas golebze Cadis fsonebso.

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erTi, cxrili ar mogvwons, Torem...

1:1 salonikSi, saberZneTTan. „kargad viTamaSeT da wavageT”, ase

Seicvala „kargad viTamaSeT da fred davasruleT”. jer maTematika

rom moviTavoT, 3 matCSi 1 qula aSkarad cotaa TamaSidan

gamomdinare. meti ekuTvnoda saqarTvelos nakrebs, magram etyoba,

raRac iseTi akldeba, rac mxolod uiRblobiT ar aixsneba.

akldeba klasi da koncentracia gadamwyvet momentebSi. ase iyo

espaneTTan da dResac Cveulebriv situaciaSi avtogoli miviReT.

es ki wvrilmanebi araa, msxvilmanebia. saberZneTis nakrebma saku-

Tar „tumba arenaze” sawyisi 20 wuTi Seutia da imis mere win araferi

gaukeTebia, ubralod oTar kakabaZisgan miiRo saCuqari.

wuT-naxevarSi gaaTanabra xviCa kvaracxeliam. safrTxobelasaviT

moevlinaT. pirvelive wuTze scades uxeSobiT daSineba, magram

piriqiT, mgoni, ufro gaamwares.

ise, ra goli iqneboda, pirvel taimSi naxevari saberZneTi rom

daawvina da dartyma rom daublokes?.. erTi-ori milioniT

moimatebda misi fasi, Tumca am zafxuls isedac xmaurian transfers

veliT.

qarTul fexburTs margaliti moevlina da misi qebiT arc

daviRlebiT, amitom isev TamaSze davwerT ramdenime sityviT. Sinaarsobrivad,

qarTvelebi metoqes bevrad sjobdnen, kiteiSvili

am mxriv centrSi yvela berZens sjobda, kankava Zveleburad kankava

iyo da masac cota daaklda golamde.

erT-erTi saukeTeso iyo guram giorbeliZe yoCaR, vili saniols

da mis arCevans!..

bolo 10 wuTs rom vuyurebdiT, rogor utevda saqarTvelo,

rom ar gvcodnoda, vifiqrebdiT, saberZneTs ki ara, san-marinos

eTamaSebiano. mokled, jerjerobiT, kargia, erTi, cxrili ar mogvwons,

Torem...

barsa keins elis

espaneTis saukeTeso Cvenebi

axlovdeba zafxulis satransfero fanjara

da „barselona“ top-klasis Tavdam-

sxmelis SesaZenad emzadeba. kargad aris

cnobili, rom katalonielebs yvelaze me-

tad norvegieli erling holandis SeZena

undaT, magram 20 wlis forvardze taciao-

baa, amitom saWiroa saTadarigo variantic.

erT-erTi aseTi varianti „totenhemidan“

27 wlis hari keinis gadabirebaa. amboben,

rom ingliseli ar aris winaaRmdegi prem-

ierligidan wavides da bedi sxvagan eZios.

„barselonas“ axali prezidenti Joan

laporta da misi damqaSebi jerjerobiT

bazris yvela wvrilmanSi cdiloben garkve-

vas, raTa saWiro dros gadamwyveti nabiji

gadadgan.

rogorc Cans, arc „dezebi“ arian wina-

aRmdegi, am zafxuls Tavdamsxmeli karg

fasad gayidon, oRond erTi piroba aqvT:

is romelime premierligel konkurents ar

unda Cauvardes xelSi. „barsam“ icis, rom

inglisis nakrebis kapitnis SeZena manCest-

eris orive grands surs, „totenhems“ ki

kategoriulad ar unda, rom is romelime

maTgans darCes.

„barselona“ keinis garemocvisgan srulyofil

informacias flobs. Tavdamsxmeli

sezonSi 12 milion evros iRebs, „sfurzi“

ki mzad aris, mas asatani fasi daados.

„sporti“ wers, rom „blaugranas“ awy-

obs, rogorc keinis ostatoba da unarebi,

aseve misi profesionalizmi.

N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.

jazi da Citebi

NBA-s mimdinare sezonis

erT-erTi sauke-

Teso gundi da dasavleT

konferenciis lideri

„iuta jazi” saTamaSod

memfisSi mifrinavda,

rodesac TviTmfrinavis

pilotma avariuli

dajdomis ufleba

moiTxova.

„jazmenebi” aviakastrofas

gadaurCnen, mizezi

ki frinvelebi arian.

afrenidan ramdenime

wuTSi gadamfreni frinvelebis

gundi TviTmfrinavs

Seejaxa da Zrava

dauziana. cecxlmokidebuli

TviTmfrinavis

pilotma saswrafod ukan

dajdomis ufleba miiRo.

ramdenime saaTSi gundi

memfisisken usafr-

Txod gafrinda da mSvidobianad

Cafrinda.

saqarTvelos nakrebis ori kalaTbur-

Teli giorgi Sermadini da Tad makfadeni,

espaneTis sakalaTburTo CempionatSi

martis saukeTesod aRiares.

orive kalaTburTels margi qmedebis

koeficientis (mqk) Tanabari maCvenebeli

daufiqsirda (25,5) da MVP-is tituli

gaiyves. martSi Sermadinis saSualo statistika

aseTi iyo: 17,5 qula, 4,5 moxsna,

2,0 pasi, 1 dafareba, 25,5 mqk. makfadenis

ki, 23,0 qula, 1,0 moxsna, 5,5 pasi, 25,5 mqk.

am sezonSi makfadeni espaneTis Cempionatis

Tvis saukeTesod pirvelad aRiares,

xolo Sermadini mesamed (oqtomberi

da ianvari). Sermadinma seriozuli ganacxadi

gaakeTa wlis saukeTeso kalaTburTelobaze.

kriStianu ras ifiqrebda

kriStianu ronaldus gadagdebuli

kapitnis samklavuri serbebma au-

qcionze gayides... daaxloebiT 64 000

evrod (7,5 milion serbul dinarad).

es Tanxa ki 6 Tvis serbi bavSvis

samkurnalod gadairicxa. sul 2,5

milioni evro aris Sesagrovebeli _

zurgis kunTovani atrofia aqvs.

SegaxsenebT: serbeTi-portugali-

is matCis bolo wamebze ronaldum

sufTa goli gaitana da msajma ar

CaTvala. matCi 2:2 dasrulda. gamwarebulma

portugalielma samkla-

vuri moixsna da gadaagdo.

es samklavuri TamaSis bolos

serbma mexanZrem aiRo da saqvelmoqmedo

organizacias („yvelani gaver-

TiandeT sicocxlisTvis”) gadasca.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

am niSnis warmomadgenlebi SesaZloa siyvarulis

qselSi gaexvion. varskvlavebi girCeven, rom

frTxilad iyoT, radgan Zalian male aRtacebas

da Tayvaniscemas eWvianoba Secvlis. samsaxurSi

SeiZleba gaugebroba gqondeT xelmZRvanelobasTan.

ufrosi ifiqrebs, rom yvelaferSi Tqven

xarT damnaSave. saxlSi, piriqiT, nanatri

myudroeba da simSvide sufevs. arsebuli viTarebis

gasamyareblad SabaT-kvira mTelma ojaxma

qalaqgareT gaatareT.

kuro

dasvenebisa da simSvidisTvis dro ar gaqvT.

amdeni Sroma, amdeni gegma da axali miRwevebi!

finansur sakiTxebSi axla frTxilad iyaviT:

SeiZleba mogatyuon. wvrilmanebic ki usiamovnoa.

ojaxur urTierTobebSi SeiZleba sirTuleebi

warmoiSvas. Tqveni ganviTarebuli intuicia

dagexmarebaT krizisuli situaciidan gamosvla-

Si. 10 da 11 aprils SeiZleba saintereso SemoTavazeba

gqondeT.

tyupi

Tqvenma winaaRmdegobrivma xasiaTma SeiZleba

am periodSi yvela gegma gaafuWos. garTulebebis

Tavidan asacileblad seriozulad

dafiqrdiT da ise imoqmedeT. moulodneli mogeba

mniSvnelovnad gaaumjobesebs Tqvens finansur

mdgomareobas. am kviraSi nebismieri mogzauroba

xelsayrelia, gansakuTrebiT maSin, Tu is

samuSaos ar ukavSirdeba.

kirCxibi

Tqvens ojaxSi namdvili idilia sufevs. isiamovneT

am mdgomareobiT. finansur seqtorSi

mcire warmatebaa mosalodneli. axla sasurvelia

didi Sesyidvebisgan Tavi SeikavoT, gansakuTrebiT

kreditiT. umjobesia cota xniT

daiviwyoT mniSvnelovan Sesyidvebze fiqri da

fulis dazogva daiwyoT. frTxilad iyaviT teqnikasTan

muSaobis dros. Tqvens xandazmul axloblebs

SeiZleba problemebi hqondeT, magram

mSvidad iyaviT, yvelaferi kargad dasruldeba.

lomi

am kviraSi wvrilmanebic ki gaRizianebT. bunebrivia,

amis safuZvelze SeiZleba axloblebTan

urTierToba dairRves. umjobesia dro martom

gaataroT, raTa dawynardeT da sakuTar Tavs

problemebi ar SeuqmnaT. SeecadeT aravis

araferi daumtkicoT, es gadagarCenT mravali

sazrunavisa da imedgacruebisgan.

qalwuli

finansuri mdgomareoba nela, magram sagrZnoblad

umjobesdeba. savaraudod, SeZlebT axali

kontaqtebis damyarebas biznespartniorebTan,

magram saboloo Sedegi mxolod Tqvens Sromaze

iqneba damokidebuli. am kviraSi rekomendebuli

ar aris imijis radikalurad Secvla. umjobesia

Tqveni Sinagani mdgomareobis gaumjobesebaze

izrunoT da dro sayvarel adamianebTan erTad

gaataroT.

saswori

am periodis ganmavlobaSi SeiZleba gauTvaliswinebeli

xarjebi gqondeT. situacias

filosofiurad miudeqiT. sakmaod male Sansi

geqnebaT, rom ufro meti gamoimuSaoT da danaxarjebi

ainzaRauroT. varskvlavebi dasvenebis

msurvelebs afrTxileben ar iCqaron, radgan

didia daaavadebebis gamwvavebis riski. izruneT

Tqvens janmrTelobaze, prevencia saukeTeso

taqtikaa, rom momavalSi samedicino dawesebulebebSi

siaruli ar mogiwioT.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

win romantikuli kvira gelodebaT. meuRles-

Tan urTierTobisas sruli idilia geliT. Tavs

bednierad igrZnobT, konfliqti Cacxreba. martoxela

morielebi yuradRebis centrSi iqnebian.

iyaviT gamorCeuli, magram grZnobebis morev-

Si TaviT ar gadaeSvaT. am kviraSi sasurvelia

gaseirneba, mcire mogzauroba, saintereso

eqskursia – ubralod, saxlSi nu dajdebiT.

mSvildosani

saukeTeso periodia gonebis damSvidebisa da

ganviTarebis axal etapze gadasvlisTvis. mcire

emociur Soks SeiZleba kviris pirveli naxevris

ganmavlobaSi elodoT. mzad iyaviT, rom Tqveni

megobrebis daxmareba dagWirdebaT, magram amis

Semdeg bedisgan sasiamovno siurprizebis imedi

unda gqondeT. ar dagaviwydeT, madloba gadauxadoT

Tqvens garSemomyofebs gverdSi dgomisTvis.

Txis rqa

am periodSi SeiZleba sxvisi gavlenis qveS

moeqceT. saSualeba ar misceT, rom mogatyuon.

es periodi ufro Sesaferisia rutinuli samuSaosTvis,

vidre SemoqmedebiTi procesisTvis.

samsaxurSi SesaZlebelia Woraoba da intrigebi

– ar dakargoT moTmineba. gamoaaSkaraveT mtrebi,

rogorc ki maT arsebobas SeityobT. bavSvebTan

iyaviT ufro momTmenebi da taqtianebi, sayvarel

adamianTan ki meti siTbo gamoiCineT. SeecadeT

axlobel adamianebs ufro meti dadebiTi

emocia aCuqoT.

merwyuli

mTeli Tqveni yuradReba axla samuSaoze unda

iyos orientirebuli. iyaviT Sromismoyvare moraluri

da materialuri premiis misaRebad. am

dReebSi rekomendebuli ar aris avejis gadatana

da misTvis adgilis Secvla, magram Zvel nivTebs

Cveulebrivi gawmenda da gadarCeva ar daazaralebs.

sulieri saqmianoba da romantikuli

urTierTobebi Zalian Sedegiani iqneba. SesaZlebelia

saintereso Sexvedra an paemani.

Tevzebi

mTeli Tqveni Zala da energia axla sayvareli

adamianebis dasaxmareblad iqneba mimarTuli.

azri ar aqvs raimes dagegmvas, mainc yvelaferi

aireva. SeecadeT Tanxa ekonomiurad daxarjoT.

SabaT-kviras wadiT agarakze, Tu amis saSualeba

gaqvT da sulierad daisveneT!

1 aSS dolari

3.4343

1 evro

4.0446

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.7520

100 rusuli rubli

4.5048

amindi

orSabaTi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

Tbilisi

18-20 0

19-21 0

20-22 0

24-26 0

19-21 0

14-16 0

12-15 0

quTaisi

20-22 0

14-16 0

24-26 0

27-29 0

10-12 0

9-11 0

7-9 0

baTumi

19-21 0

18-20 0

23-25 0

19-21 0

9-11 0

7-9 0

8-10 0

zugdidi

18-20 0

15-17 0

24-26 0

25-27 0

10-12 0

9-11 0

7-9 0

gori

14-16 0

12-14 0

18-21 0

21-23 0

11-13 0

10-12 0

6-8 0

Telavi

20-22 0

21-24 0

22-24 0

26-28 0

24-26 0

18-20 0

16-18 0

foTi

16-18 0

14-16 0

20-22 0

16-18 0

9-11 0

10-12 0

9-11 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

vano pavliaSvili 595 48 35 85

redaqciis misamarTi:

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

tel.: injgia nene 591 71 39 98

294 69 77;

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

sareklamo ganyofileba,

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

deviZe daviT

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

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