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`amerikelebi xalxs elodebian,
„dRes problema saqarTvelos
vano pavliaSvili
mosaxleobis poziciaa da ara is
595 48 35 85
_ xelisufleba an opozicia ras
akeTebs. saerTod, saqarTveloSi
sami subieqtia _ xelisufleba, opozicia da xalxi. am samidan
mTavari, wesiT, xalxia, romelic arafers ambobs da yvelafers
itans _ gaZvirebasa da usamarTlobasac”, _ am gancxadebas
„qronika+~-sTan politikosi gubaz sanikiZe akeTebs. Cveni
respondentis TqmiTve, dasavleTi _ evropa da aSS-c _ angariSs
uwevs ara politikur elitebs, oligarqebsa da mafiozebs,
aramed _ xalxs. amis dasturad gubaz sanikiZe egviptis movlenebs
ixsenebs: igive amerikelebs mubaraqis gaSveba ar undodaT,
magram mas Semdeg, rac dainaxes, rom quCebi protes-
tantebiT gaivso, Tqves, Cven xalxis mxares varTo.
mokled, ratom pasiurobs
saqarTvelos mosaxleoba? ratom
aris giorgi gaxaria „kab-
ineturi lideri”? ra Secdoma
dauSva opoziciam? _ „qroni-
ka+~ gubaz sanikZes esaubra:
_ batono gubaz, evroparlamentarebi
ukve Riad am-
boben, rom saqarTvelosa da
evrokavSiris urTierToba sa-
frTxeSia. amasTan, miniSneba
sanqciebzec keTdeba. yvelaferi
es, Tqveni azriT, realo-
basTan axlosaa?
_ evropa saqarTvelos sapartnioro
erTgulebaze dafiqrebulia.
_ es ras niSnavs?
_ eWvi epareba, Tumca yvelafers
piradad me, cota sxvanairad
vuyureb.
_ mainc, rogor?
_ modi, xelisufleba da
opozicia gverdze gadavwioT.
_ ratom?
_ pirdapir vTqvaT: dasavleTs
saqarTvelos mosaxleobis
pozicia ainteresebs, romelic
ar fiqsirdeba. diax, evropelebs
ainteresebT, Seqmnil
saxifaTo viTarebaze, rom Cven
SesaZloa, evropas movwydeT da
yvela is upiratesoba _ evropasTan
Tavisufali mimosvla,
vaWroba da daxmarebebi, rac
amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi sisxli
da ofli dagvijda, davkargoT,
mosaxleoba xmas ratom ar
iRebs? mokled, dRes problema
saqarTvelos mosaxleobis poziciaa
da ara is _ xelisufleba
an opozicia ras akeTebs. saerTod,
saqarTveloSi sami subieqtia
_ xelisufleba, opozicia
da xalxi. am samidan mTavari,
wesiT, xalxia, romelic
arafers ambobs da yvelafers
itans _ gaZvirebasa da usamarTlobasac.
_ xalxi iqneb, imitom ar
iRebs xmas, rom politikosebis
mimarT totaluri nihil-
izmi aqvs?
_ kaco, gavige, magram adamianebs
macivari carieli rom
aqvT, es nihilizms rogor iwvevs?
adamianis bunebaa _ roca
SimSilobs, instinqtur qmedebebze
gadadis da xan nadirobs,
xan imas Svreba, xan _ amas, rom
Svilebs lukma-puri miutanos,
magram Cveni xalxi xmas ar iRebs.
am Cveni xalxis mosawoni
jer aravin dabadebula da es
gasagebia, magram pradad CemTvis
gamocanaa, Sin saWmeli rom
ar aqvT, amaze ratom ar reagireben?
_ e. i. saqarTvelos mosaxleobam
is adamianuri instinqti
dakarga, romelic weRan ax-
seneT?
_ am sazogadoebaSi cocxali
organizmis instinqti aRar
aris!
_ es iqneb, imis bralia, rom
eri daberda?
_ ara, kaco, ra eri daberda?
ase ar xdeba.
_ aba, rogor xdeba?
_ sibereSi sibrZnea... mgonia,
rom raRacis eqsperti var da am
qveyanas sxvaze ukeTesad vicnob,
magram veraferi gavige. ai,
magaliTad, es komendantis saaTi
yvelas awuxebs _ biZinas momxresac
da mowinaaRmdegesac,
prodasavlelsac da prorussac,
magram ramdenime dRis win
komendantis saaTis gauqmebis
moTxovniT gamarTul aqciaze
ramdeni adamiani gamovida?
_ aqciaze Tqven iyaviT?
_ diax, viyavi...
_ ise, evropelebs bevri ram
ver gaugiaT da, sxvaTa Soris,
mxolod xelisuflebasTan ki
ara, opoziciasTanac aqvT pre-
tenzia.
_ gavige, magram Tu atyobT,
amerikelebisa da evropelebis
mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos
mosaxleobis mimarTaa. isini
aRarc xelisuflebas ekiTxebian
da aRarc _ opozicias.
xom gaxsovT, wasvlis win
danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da
samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi
maqvso. samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi
ki swored saqarTvelos
mosaxleobas gulisxmobda.
_ Tqveni saubridan ise gamo-
dis, rom problemis gadaWra
plebiscits SeuZlia. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, xalxi sakuTar
saTqmels ityvis. vcdebi?
_ ar vici. adamianebi, SeiZleba,
plebiscitzec ar mividnen
da saerTod, arsad mividnen.
ver gaigeb: kovidze acra ar
undaT, evropaSi samuSaod wasvla
undaT, Tumca mizez-Sedegobriobas
ver akavSireben.
_ anu?
_ Tu evropaSi wasvla ginda,
unda aicra, radgan sxvanairad
iq ar SegiSveben.
_ CvenSi darCes da, saqar-
TveloSi zogs isev rusi „naSe-
bi” unda...
_ es rusi „naSebi” aRar Camodian
da isinic iq dadian, sadac
gubaz sanikiZe:
`molaparakebebidan
kobaxiZe yovel xuT
wuTSi gadioda da
ivaniSvils
urekavda~
simdidre da kmayofilebaa!
_ yvelafer zemoTqmulidan
gamomdinare, batono gubaz,
opoziciis mTavari Secdoma is
xom araa, rom saprotesto aqciebs
apauzebs? aqciis 15 mai-
sisTvis gadadebas riT xsniT?
_ opozicia marto ibrZvis!
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ opoziciasTan bevri pretenzia
mqonda, maqvs da, rogorc
Cans, momavalSic meqneba,
magram opoziciis dRevandeli
moqmedeba xalxis mxridan dasafasebelia!
_ da opozicia rogor mo-
qmedebs?
_ ar iyideba!
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom
opozicia ar iyideba?
_ Sedegs xom vuyurebT _
parlamentSi aravin Sedis!
_ elisaSvili Sevida.
_ elisaSvils ar vgulisxmob
da Tavi davaneboT, ra?!
_ batono gubaz, axla gamaxsenda:
9 aprils, „ucnobis” iniciativiT,
didi Sekreba ima-
rTeba, romelsac, mgoni, „qar-
Tvelebis maradisobis dRe”
hqvia...
_ „qarTvelebis maradisoba”
ras niSnavs, es ra paTeTikaa?
_ amas ver getyviT, magram
zogi fiqrobs, am SekrebiT
SesaZloa, samoqalaqo dapiri-
spirebis inspirireba moxdeso...
_ da vis unda daupirispirdnen?
saxlebSi mogvakiTxaven Tu
ras izamen?
_ „maradisobis dReze”,
rogorc socialuri qselidan
irkveva, daswrebas, umetesad,
„qocebi” apireben...
_ gasagebia da es ra Zneli
gamosacnobia, vin iaqtiuresb?
_ ise, ratom gamoricxavT,
rom „arasasurvel elementebs”
saxlebSic miakiTxon?
_ yvelas vurCev, Cems saxlSi
nuravin mova! maTTvis ase
sjobs!
_ amasobaSi, yofili premieri,
giorgi gaxaria aqtiur-
deba. amaze ras ityviT, gubaz
batono?
`Tu atyobT, amerikelebisa da evropelebis
mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos mosaxleobis
mimarTaa. isini aRarc xelisuflebas
ekiTxebian da aRarc - opozicias. xom gaxsovT,
wasvlis win danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da
samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi maqvso.
samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi ki swored
saqarTvelos mosaxleobas gulisxmobda~
_ gaxaria aris zoro, romelic
xan iq gamoCndeba da xan _ aq,
Tan Tavi isev premier-ministri
hgonia.
_ anu?
_ opoziciuri an politikuri
lideri, romelic Jurnalistebs
emaleba, rogor warmogidgeniaT?
_ piradad me isic ver warmomedgina,
31 marts maincdamainc
zugdidSi ratom apireb-
da Casvlas...
_ gasagebia, rasac „Cali-
Cobs”.
_ ras?
_ unda, raRac tomobrivi
gaakeTos, magram ar gamouva!
megrelebi maRali kulturis
xalxia da samegreloc yovel-
Tvis saqarTvelosTvis brZolis
avangardSia!
_ uSvebT imis albaTobas,
rom gaxaria ivaniSvilis
proeqti, anu „biZina 2"-ia?
_ ar vici, Tumca didi mniSvneloba
arc amas aqvs. mniSnelovani
isaa, rom istoriam gamoZerwili
da gaberili beladebi
ar icis. beladebi ar iberebian,
TviTon Cndebian, ibrZvian,
xan igeben, xan marcxdebian.
gaxaria kabineturi beladia!..
_ ise, ra amis pasuxia da,
evropelebis idea realobad
rom qceuliyo da molaparake-
bebSi
ivaniSvil-saakaSvili
CarTuliyvnen, viTareba ar
ganimuxteboda?
_ ganimuxteboda, magram
problema saakaSvilSi ki ara,
ivaniSvilSia!
_ ratom?
_ im evropelebma ivaniSvili
moZebnon, Tu Cven unda gamovuyvanoT
da movuZebnoT? iciT,
im molaparakebaze ra xdeboda?
_ ara, ar vici. Tqven iciT?
_ yvelas telefonebi gareT
daatovebines, mxolod kobaxiZes
hqonda, yovel xuT wuTSi
gadioda da rekavda, netav, vis
urekavda?
_ amas didi marCieloba ar
sWirdeba...
_ evropelma elCebmac xom
ician, rom kobaxiZe arafers
wyvets. yvelafers ivaniSili
wyvets da ver gavige, am ivaniS-
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