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`amerikelebi xalxs elodebian,

„dRes problema saqarTvelos

vano pavliaSvili

mosaxleobis poziciaa da ara is

595 48 35 85

_ xelisufleba an opozicia ras

akeTebs. saerTod, saqarTveloSi

sami subieqtia _ xelisufleba, opozicia da xalxi. am samidan

mTavari, wesiT, xalxia, romelic arafers ambobs da yvelafers

itans _ gaZvirebasa da usamarTlobasac”, _ am gancxadebas

„qronika+~-sTan politikosi gubaz sanikiZe akeTebs. Cveni

respondentis TqmiTve, dasavleTi _ evropa da aSS-c _ angariSs

uwevs ara politikur elitebs, oligarqebsa da mafiozebs,

aramed _ xalxs. amis dasturad gubaz sanikiZe egviptis movlenebs

ixsenebs: igive amerikelebs mubaraqis gaSveba ar undodaT,

magram mas Semdeg, rac dainaxes, rom quCebi protes-

tantebiT gaivso, Tqves, Cven xalxis mxares varTo.

mokled, ratom pasiurobs

saqarTvelos mosaxleoba? ratom

aris giorgi gaxaria „kab-

ineturi lideri”? ra Secdoma

dauSva opoziciam? _ „qroni-

ka+~ gubaz sanikZes esaubra:

_ batono gubaz, evroparlamentarebi

ukve Riad am-

boben, rom saqarTvelosa da

evrokavSiris urTierToba sa-

frTxeSia. amasTan, miniSneba

sanqciebzec keTdeba. yvelaferi

es, Tqveni azriT, realo-

basTan axlosaa?

_ evropa saqarTvelos sapartnioro

erTgulebaze dafiqrebulia.

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ eWvi epareba, Tumca yvelafers

piradad me, cota sxvanairad

vuyureb.

_ mainc, rogor?

_ modi, xelisufleba da

opozicia gverdze gadavwioT.

_ ratom?

_ pirdapir vTqvaT: dasavleTs

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

pozicia ainteresebs, romelic

ar fiqsirdeba. diax, evropelebs

ainteresebT, Seqmnil

saxifaTo viTarebaze, rom Cven

SesaZloa, evropas movwydeT da

yvela is upiratesoba _ evropasTan

Tavisufali mimosvla,

vaWroba da daxmarebebi, rac

amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi sisxli

da ofli dagvijda, davkargoT,

mosaxleoba xmas ratom ar

iRebs? mokled, dRes problema

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis poziciaa

da ara is _ xelisufleba

an opozicia ras akeTebs. saerTod,

saqarTveloSi sami subieqtia

_ xelisufleba, opozicia

da xalxi. am samidan mTavari,

wesiT, xalxia, romelic

arafers ambobs da yvelafers

itans _ gaZvirebasa da usamarTlobasac.

_ xalxi iqneb, imitom ar

iRebs xmas, rom politikosebis

mimarT totaluri nihil-

izmi aqvs?

_ kaco, gavige, magram adamianebs

macivari carieli rom

aqvT, es nihilizms rogor iwvevs?

adamianis bunebaa _ roca

SimSilobs, instinqtur qmedebebze

gadadis da xan nadirobs,

xan imas Svreba, xan _ amas, rom

Svilebs lukma-puri miutanos,

magram Cveni xalxi xmas ar iRebs.

am Cveni xalxis mosawoni

jer aravin dabadebula da es

gasagebia, magram pradad CemTvis

gamocanaa, Sin saWmeli rom

ar aqvT, amaze ratom ar reagireben?

_ e. i. saqarTvelos mosaxleobam

is adamianuri instinqti

dakarga, romelic weRan ax-

seneT?

_ am sazogadoebaSi cocxali

organizmis instinqti aRar

aris!

_ es iqneb, imis bralia, rom

eri daberda?

_ ara, kaco, ra eri daberda?

ase ar xdeba.

_ aba, rogor xdeba?

_ sibereSi sibrZnea... mgonia,

rom raRacis eqsperti var da am

qveyanas sxvaze ukeTesad vicnob,

magram veraferi gavige. ai,

magaliTad, es komendantis saaTi

yvelas awuxebs _ biZinas momxresac

da mowinaaRmdegesac,

prodasavlelsac da prorussac,

magram ramdenime dRis win

komendantis saaTis gauqmebis

moTxovniT gamarTul aqciaze

ramdeni adamiani gamovida?

_ aqciaze Tqven iyaviT?

_ diax, viyavi...

_ ise, evropelebs bevri ram

ver gaugiaT da, sxvaTa Soris,

mxolod xelisuflebasTan ki

ara, opoziciasTanac aqvT pre-

tenzia.

_ gavige, magram Tu atyobT,

amerikelebisa da evropelebis

mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis mimarTaa. isini

aRarc xelisuflebas ekiTxebian

da aRarc _ opozicias.

xom gaxsovT, wasvlis win

danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da

samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi

maqvso. samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi

ki swored saqarTvelos

mosaxleobas gulisxmobda.

_ Tqveni saubridan ise gamo-

dis, rom problemis gadaWra

plebiscits SeuZlia. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, xalxi sakuTar

saTqmels ityvis. vcdebi?

_ ar vici. adamianebi, SeiZleba,

plebiscitzec ar mividnen

da saerTod, arsad mividnen.

ver gaigeb: kovidze acra ar

undaT, evropaSi samuSaod wasvla

undaT, Tumca mizez-Sedegobriobas

ver akavSireben.

_ anu?

_ Tu evropaSi wasvla ginda,

unda aicra, radgan sxvanairad

iq ar SegiSveben.

_ CvenSi darCes da, saqar-

TveloSi zogs isev rusi „naSe-

bi” unda...

_ es rusi „naSebi” aRar Camodian

da isinic iq dadian, sadac

gubaz sanikiZe:

`molaparakebebidan

kobaxiZe yovel xuT

wuTSi gadioda da

ivaniSvils

urekavda~

simdidre da kmayofilebaa!

_ yvelafer zemoTqmulidan

gamomdinare, batono gubaz,

opoziciis mTavari Secdoma is

xom araa, rom saprotesto aqciebs

apauzebs? aqciis 15 mai-

sisTvis gadadebas riT xsniT?

_ opozicia marto ibrZvis!

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ opoziciasTan bevri pretenzia

mqonda, maqvs da, rogorc

Cans, momavalSic meqneba,

magram opoziciis dRevandeli

moqmedeba xalxis mxridan dasafasebelia!

_ da opozicia rogor mo-

qmedebs?

_ ar iyideba!

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

opozicia ar iyideba?

_ Sedegs xom vuyurebT _

parlamentSi aravin Sedis!

_ elisaSvili Sevida.

_ elisaSvils ar vgulisxmob

da Tavi davaneboT, ra?!

_ batono gubaz, axla gamaxsenda:

9 aprils, „ucnobis” iniciativiT,

didi Sekreba ima-

rTeba, romelsac, mgoni, „qar-

Tvelebis maradisobis dRe”

hqvia...

_ „qarTvelebis maradisoba”

ras niSnavs, es ra paTeTikaa?

_ amas ver getyviT, magram

zogi fiqrobs, am SekrebiT

SesaZloa, samoqalaqo dapiri-

spirebis inspirireba moxdeso...

_ da vis unda daupirispirdnen?

saxlebSi mogvakiTxaven Tu

ras izamen?

_ „maradisobis dReze”,

rogorc socialuri qselidan

irkveva, daswrebas, umetesad,

„qocebi” apireben...

_ gasagebia da es ra Zneli

gamosacnobia, vin iaqtiuresb?

_ ise, ratom gamoricxavT,

rom „arasasurvel elementebs”

saxlebSic miakiTxon?

_ yvelas vurCev, Cems saxlSi

nuravin mova! maTTvis ase

sjobs!

_ amasobaSi, yofili premieri,

giorgi gaxaria aqtiur-

deba. amaze ras ityviT, gubaz

batono?

`Tu atyobT, amerikelebisa da evropelebis

mTavari mesiji saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

mimarTaa. isini aRarc xelisuflebas

ekiTxebian da aRarc - opozicias. xom gaxsovT,

wasvlis win danielsonma ra Tqva, mediisa da

samoqalaqo sazogadoebis imedi maqvso.

samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi ki swored

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas gulisxmobda~

_ gaxaria aris zoro, romelic

xan iq gamoCndeba da xan _ aq,

Tan Tavi isev premier-ministri

hgonia.

_ anu?

_ opoziciuri an politikuri

lideri, romelic Jurnalistebs

emaleba, rogor warmogidgeniaT?

_ piradad me isic ver warmomedgina,

31 marts maincdamainc

zugdidSi ratom apireb-

da Casvlas...

_ gasagebia, rasac „Cali-

Cobs”.

_ ras?

_ unda, raRac tomobrivi

gaakeTos, magram ar gamouva!

megrelebi maRali kulturis

xalxia da samegreloc yovel-

Tvis saqarTvelosTvis brZolis

avangardSia!

_ uSvebT imis albaTobas,

rom gaxaria ivaniSvilis

proeqti, anu „biZina 2"-ia?

_ ar vici, Tumca didi mniSvneloba

arc amas aqvs. mniSnelovani

isaa, rom istoriam gamoZerwili

da gaberili beladebi

ar icis. beladebi ar iberebian,

TviTon Cndebian, ibrZvian,

xan igeben, xan marcxdebian.

gaxaria kabineturi beladia!..

_ ise, ra amis pasuxia da,

evropelebis idea realobad

rom qceuliyo da molaparake-

bebSi

ivaniSvil-saakaSvili

CarTuliyvnen, viTareba ar

ganimuxteboda?

_ ganimuxteboda, magram

problema saakaSvilSi ki ara,

ivaniSvilSia!

_ ratom?

_ im evropelebma ivaniSvili

moZebnon, Tu Cven unda gamovuyvanoT

da movuZebnoT? iciT,

im molaparakebaze ra xdeboda?

_ ara, ar vici. Tqven iciT?

_ yvelas telefonebi gareT

daatovebines, mxolod kobaxiZes

hqonda, yovel xuT wuTSi

gadioda da rekavda, netav, vis

urekavda?

_ amas didi marCieloba ar

sWirdeba...

_ evropelma elCebmac xom

ician, rom kobaxiZe arafers

wyvets. yvelafers ivaniSili

wyvets da ver gavige, am ivaniS-

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